Shop Talk 2 - Rare Apistos, Rams in a Bucket, Breeding Box Upgrades
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- Опубліковано 29 жов 2022
- Breeding fish is a constant process of trial and error. In this video I'll show some of the projects I'm planning or working through. Also some exciting new fish.
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Honestly I normally don't like "shop talk" type videos but these are fantastic.
Keep it up. I think this type of content discussing the struggles and uncertainty in the hobby is so refreshing
Huge fan of your fry box project! Would love to buy one, if not a few. Like the idea of it being compatible with 5 gallon buckets, as I have CPDs growing out in one currently.
On your fry box, I would suggest making a slight curve on the inside 90deg corners. Over time, it will aid in helping clean the box. Your already going to be fighting the somewhat rough texture a 3d print has so making things as easy to keep clean as possible helps in the long run.
ya, I agree. All the major interior corners have a radius on them
@@MakeMoreFish any update on the chili rasbora? Can you post a video of your tank?
AMAZING Work from start to end!!!
Thank you!
@@MakeMoreFish I can see 100K on the way for your channel and possibly even moving above second place on breeders points :)
@@AussieAquatic haha now we're just talking crazy. I will NEVER take first place. There's just too much competition..
@@MakeMoreFish never give up on your dreams mate 😁👍
Very nice breeding boxes!
IMO releasing schematics/printable file would be a better option than selling a physical product unless you are looking to gain some profit from the idea. I can't speak for everywhere but for me there are tons of print shops around my area and lots of my friends who have their own 3d printers, and wouldn't mind me borrowing it. Glad to see you are expanding your repertoire of species. Keep up the good work.
@@MakeMoreFish Really? Alright I'll send one your way then. Thanks alot.
Love the shop talk!
great work!
Thanks for sharing. Cool projects
what an amazing video. not joking when i say best on youtube. love the content and iam always excited to see it in my feed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you! More to come, one fish at a time :)
100% accurate! The best and most informative content.
Again a wonderful video. Thank you so much for putting in this effort. Your videos are always great
Always glad to get the notification of a new video from you. They look & sound great and are very informative.
Your videos are amazing, keep the good work
All good insights on the fish and the breeders box
Love your videos love the upgrades and have a good day
The breeder boxes are very cool. I love this type of video where you talk about what is going well and what you’re working on I’m just so fascinating and very full of info. It’s also nice to know that you struggle with things to.
Constantly. Always struggling with something.
Subbed last night and been binging your videos 🙂. I like your style. Keep it coming!
More shop talk please! Im always waiting for you to post more! You have my favorite fish content on youtube! Great stuff
Nice
About water hardness getting higher. You may whant to use your rain system on top of live sphagnum moss which must be positioned outside the tank water.
the breeder boxes look great! If you ever decide to sell some I will definitely be in the market :)
keep up the great work!
Man, the box design is awesome. Love how much thought you put into these things.
You should prototype these and work with someone to have 'em injection moulded. I bet Cory at Aquarium Co-Op could help. :)
That would be great. It would take some redesign to injection mold but would be much cheaper to produce. Expensive to get started though.
@@MakeMoreFish No doubt there’s an initial mold. Would be several thousand dollars… but I have to imagine that something like this could be a hit in the hobby. It’s worth running some scenarios imo
Would you ever consider doing a full tour of all your aquariums?
Looking forward to the breeding box. I would be down to buy one or test one:)
Hi, thanks for your great videos I just found yesterday. You could just sell just the stl files. No production & no shipping hazzle. Regards from northern germany.
The idea on cories with sand vs other substrate is pretty interesting.
i so want one of these
You could always sell the STL for the breeder boxes and let people print some for themselves.
Hey man! Great design for the breeder box. I just sent you over a email for the file.
I’d love to experiment with the design and see how it works out for me
I’m getting 6 Apistogramma panduros next week and I’m looking forward to enjoying them and hopefully breeding them. If you want someone to test out the fry box I’d be thrilled to help out. I’m also hoping to breed some kubotai green rasboras and some CPDs.
for fast growing plants, for me what has work amost perfect is hornwort. it is low light and it pulls nititrites fast
In my opinion when I go to my lfs looking to get new fish I go enjoy getting the smaller younger fish in most cases because I feel like if I buy them at a younger age I will have more time with them and get to watch them grow and transform over time. On the other hand there are certain instances when I would like a fish more grown out that would be more so for breeding purposes knowing what sexes I’m purchasing from the store. I appreciate how much thought you put into your videos and this hobby always trying to improve your skills well done 👍🏻
You make a good point.. thanks for that
No problem thank you for taking the time to make these videos
for the apisto water conditions i would definitely recommend botanicals/tannins
We have very similar taste in fish. I have all the same corydora and am going to be ordering sterbai. I also am very determined to breed Apistogramma I currently have Cacatuoides and Agassizii tefe pearl blue. I have Apistogramma Elizabethan, erenopyge Diamond, nijsseni on my wish list. I truly enjoy the quality of work you put into your videos too. If you don’t mind how many tanks do you run per species? I don’t film any of my breeding projects but I run 11 tanks.
Per species? hmmm. Usually one as they grow up depending on aggression levels but then during breeding it can expand to 2-3 tanks per species. The current total is 21.
Awesome video buddy ! I'm the fellawho asked about you making one of the breeding boxes for a 20 gallon, plz put me on the first batch list I'd like to buy one from you .
Deal. You can be #1
@@MakeMoreFish i was goin to ask you , why not make the breeding box deeper, ie from fro t to back of a 20 gallon, so that its deeper and can hold more fry, also it can sit wherethe glass lids normally sit, so theres no no need for those extention slide outs, just an idea.
@@saltygreek3870 it's just a printability issue. I didn't mention it but I did extend the interior by another inch. There are limits though. I can't print more than 8" long and the bigger something is, the more likely a print is to go wrong. 3d printing can be tricky sometimes
@@MakeMoreFish ahh ok thx for explaining it , also your newupgradeis grey? Why not white?
@@saltygreek3870 ya, grey this time.. So after using white for a while I found that it discolors easily. PLA is pretty porous so once it gets dirty it's kinda stuck that way. Like a white cutting board, unless you bleach it, it isn't going to stay white for long. A little methylene blue on your fingers? The box is blue now. I also figure that white with light shining on it might be disorienting for fry- light from all directions. So I switched to a light grey.
For your airlift, try a revision that makes smaller bubbles (0.2-0.1mm diameter air bubbles). It is more efficient and will create less disturbance at the surface. I have a standalone airlift model I made for my own use, if you would like an example or a starting point.
On the note of the fry boxes being 3D printed, I wonder if you'd be able to get the design patented and then simply make the files available for purchase/download? Then if its patented, nobody will be able to steal and mass produce your design, but if someone has/has access to a 3D printer and wants to try out the design at their own risk, they could do so at potentially a much lower cost. Also, if you get access to injection molding, that seems to be a pretty reliable means of manufacture.
the breeder boxes are so cool! Would you also consider selling the STL so that we could print it at home? I would love to give this a print and a try : )
Ill invest into this
12:22 It’s a good idea to not breed with that line if the parents are consistently sloppy.
Maybe swap with a new female?
Also what about an outcross project? Raise some apostolic borelii opal and cross it with a wild phenotype. Will the offspring show up as 50/50 wild color and opal?
I would like to buy a couple of your fry boxes with the understanding you are testing still. I’m ok if they don’t hold up long term as you would like….
Corys on sand comment 2,345,123 :) Did you notice how your sterbaii were grazing on your matten filter? Through my observation I have surmised that they do this grazing as feeding behavior and if lacking a proper soft substrate on which to graze will find other sources of grazing areas such as a matten filter or even the sides of the tank. Pretty sure microfauna is a key component of their wild diet. My two cents.
With regard to the breeding box splash issue. Perhaps a raised lip, or splash guard, on the outer edge of the lift tube output would be helpful to reduce the minor splash that you are concerned with? I noticed that even with your recent modification, the "lid" there was still some bubble action being pushed past the lid. Perhaps the raised lip would mitigate that microsplash form the bubbles bursting.
In return for my two glorious observations and one really good suggestion perhaps you would send me a few of your breeding boxes for testing purposes as a kind reward :)
Your welcome :)
P.S. You are a treasure for the hobby and I love your videos. Please don't stop.
Sure, certainly could be looking for something to graze on. I thought about raising the walls on the uplift. What I found recently is that the sputtering was caused by the water level dropping from evaporation. The farther water has to be lifted above the natural water level, the more inconsistent the flow gets. I made an adjustment to the uplift system to lower the air source and it took care of the problem for me. I also found the lid makes me paranoid. Can't monitor how it's behaving.
Hi, I saw a bunch of “Samurai Gourami” at my LFS. Apparently they had them for a few months with local water parameters (notably high ph of mid-high 7’s). They look similar to chocolate gourami, but are much more elegant. There’s a lot of misinformation about them on the internet, so I didn’t grab any. It would be cool if you could figure out a way to breed them while proving that they do not need extremely low PH to thrive.
Sounds like a good project. There are quite a species along those lines that I would like to breed. What it will take is a big surplus of tanks where trying and failing for a long period of time won't grind all other efforts to a halt because of a tank shortage.
Hi Lowell! I have access to a 3D printer and would love to volunteer to help you work out any issues with the breeder box. Like seemingly everyone else in this comment section, I see a lot of promise in your design!
@@MakeMoreFish great! Where can I find your email?
Would you be willing to upload the files for the updated version? My local library has 3D printers available for use at a material cost, so I would love to be able to make my own and give it a shot.
Would also help me out raising CPD and rasbora fry.
@@MakeMoreFish It would be great to have access to the file and I am willing to pay for it. But there is no email address on your about section.
What type of sand is that at 9:00 you are using? Looking forward to seeing how the apistogramma elizabethae project turns out. 👍
It's ADA La Plata. Recently switched it out for the darker carib sea sand. The la plata is a little too light and tends to wash out color in the fish
hey, wanted to hear your opinion on this. A week and a half ago I bought three Bolivian rams around 2 inches long because I wanted to grow them and add them to my other Bolivian rams to create pairs and breed. When they came in, they were skinny and had sunken bellies and ever since I've lost one. The other two are active but just don't eat. I've tried baby brine, frozen brine, frozen tubifex, flakes, and micro pellets. Nothing they won't eat. What do you think is wrong? Wanted to say that your channel is my favourite to watch as you're the most professional out of all of them and the videos are so clean and really well done I'm sure everyone can agree.
Thanks! It's really hard to diagnose fish but my guess from a bird's eye view is internal parasites. With my own medicine cabinet I would be running a prazi/metro combo through them and then following with levamisole. Good luck either way, I hate disease. It's the worst.
@@MakeMoreFish hey thanks man really appreciate the help
Are you doing a dedicated video for your Apisto Macmasteri? Mine have not bred and I'm curious about your experience
Most likely at some point. They caught me off guard and I really wasn't filming it. I need to do it over again. In the meantime, I didn't notice anything unique about Macmasteri. In fact, all the apistos I've worked with so far have followed exactly the same patterns. The only variable I've found is how soft and acidic the water needs to be for a spawn to be successful.
When you first get your fish to start a breeding project, how do you go about it? Do you have a local LFS or just order from an online breeder? Ordering fish online has always felt super sketchy, especially with how expensive shipping costs can be.
I get that, it does seem strange. Honestly though my success rate of getting healthy fish that thrive long term is MUCH higher ordering from online sources than local. It's not always a store problem, I just think my wholesalers suck. If you're looking for one to try, check out the wet spot. Can't say enough good things about them.
Curious, how much did your water harden?
You probably have 2 different species of Julidochromis - the taxonomy of this group is not well-resolved, and there are probably multiple species being imported under each name. If you got them in different imports, and their size and pattern at maturity is so different, they're probably different species.
you should let me test the breeder box. I have some fat whale of CPDs and embers who readily breed daily.
How many aquariums/ grow out tanks do you have? I have 2 40 breeders both of which I plan to split with sponge, I also have a 33 long which I plan to split with sponge as well, then I have a 20 long that I will keep normal. I also have a couple of small hang on breeder boxes for fry. Do you think that would be enough tanks to breed 2 pairs of apistos, a group of sterbai corydoras, and some other type of fish? I love the quality of your videos and these videos have pushed me over the line to start breeding fish.
20ish at the moment. I think you could get a lot done with that set of tanks, especially after dividing them. If anything I might add a couple of 10s but that's just me. There always ends up being a need to isolate/separate fish and a few smaller tanks really helps. If you divided that 33 into 3 sections that could get the same job done
@@MakeMoreFish I could get a few more tens I just don't know where I'd put them.
@@MakeMoreFish Also what kind of nano power head would you recommend for flow? I am planning on breeding sterbai corydoras and panda corydoras and it seemed to work really well for you.
@@fishy_vinny the one I used is just a general purpose submersible pump somewhere under 100 gph. If you have any hang on backs, internal filters, even sponge filters, anything that moves water and position that so that it moves water around a spawning mop it will have the same effect. You might not have to buy anything.
Where do I get the fry box ( breeder Box )
What about selling or giving away the plans?
How about getting the 3d plans?
Hi I'm thinking to buy two ramirezis or 2/3 apistogrammas for my 60 Lt acquarium what would you think is the best?
My view is really skewed on questions like that. Unless you want your fish breeding I would go with the rams and get three females or a single male and 3-4 females.
I'd def be interested in beta testing! Please let me know 🙏🏽
Any update on your chili rasbora? I have a group of 13 and can’t get anything.
I'm in the same boat. Nothing useful to report
I have a pair of Apsito elizabethie.
Hry legend, would you consider attempting to breed boraras species? I know they're similar to CPDs but they're just... SO small.
Definitely. Chili rasboras are the one I really want to do. I spent about a year with them and it was.. not legendary. Someday I'll figure it out.
If you need a beta tester for future breeder boxes, I volunteer! :P
i really really want shell dwellers but they are like $40+ each and really hard to find (I live in qld Australia)
I hope you can find some for a decent price. Maybe you can breed them and help the local market a bit
is breeding possible for apistogramma agassizzi if i pick out male and female from the store and put them in a breeding tank ? only concern is male might harass female to death.
yes it's possible. Most males and females will breed if they don't kill each other first. I don't believe in the concept of fish being picky and needing to find a soul mate. They just need to get into breeding condition without anyone getting killed first. Line of sight breaks, hiding places and spacious tanks help quite a bit.
Regarding your hard water issue for your apisto, maybe you can try using soil in undergravel filter box (UGF). Here's a link for you to refer to: ua-cam.com/video/R0y9P1bpJCo/v-deo.html. The soil in UGF can help you lower your pH/kH to create a weak acidic soft water environment without using a RO unit.
I like it.. I like it a lot
@@MakeMoreFish The pro is you do not have to use that much soil but the con is you will have to replace the soil more frequently as the soil gets depleted faster. For example 1.5 litres of soil in the UGF as compared to 8 litres of soil for the base of the tank.
Barbels are shortened from bacteria, not substrate. People need to get with the program.
I’m breeding Julie’s. The smaller ones might be male’s possibly. I took a year for a male and female to pair off so. Good luck
Great stuff, I have done extensive testing on breeding, Black Rams, Blue rams, apisoto panduro, cockatoidi variants, hongsslo, and many others over a few years and happy to share data. As a similarly methodical, data based improving through trials and hypothesis, Its a labor of long term commitment to really dial it in and its trusting sometimes to isolate variables and run enough trials to be sure. It seems that you are very very dialed in and its impressive. I commend you. Lastly, I have done some similar types of design work on modifying the breeding box set up from Deans fish room starting point, and using 3d printer, but wow you took it to a different level. I was modifying existing container with lifts outflows etc, didn't think of. the entire thing. What printer are you using? lots of pla there, how long to print main body?
Im on a highly modified maker select plus and build plate is only 8x8. Id love to work with your design for optimization and would share back any proven designs with you. Is that something you would be interested in? Let me know.
BQ
@bostonaquaponics
any experience on Chili Rasboras? The only decent video I found never did the announced part 2^^
Some, but nothing useful to report unfortunately
@@MakeMoreFish aite, thx mate!