I just took delivery of a Spin 714 today thanks to your earlier review. And, I got the $570 sale price! (It was $700 when I ordered it, but the price dropped the day before it arrived at the store. No problem, Best Buy credited me with the difference even before I picked it up.) Oh, and after using it for a couple of hours I got another update -- to Chromebook Plus system.
I picked up a Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 Chromebook during black Friday, and it's the best laptop I've ever used in my entire life. It loads pages like a dream, and the boot up speed is insanely fast. It boots up in less than 5 seconds
what kind of battery times do you get? I have the Lenovo Flexpad 5i chromebook plus, and I find the battery a bit lacking actually. I get around 5 hours of use if I dont do any more demanding things.
Asus and Lenovo smashing it. I upgraded to the Asus CM34 this past weekend from an older Lenovo Flex 5. Love the convertible form factor. Keep up the great work guys.
This year I picked up a Lenovo Duet 5 (8gb/128gb version) for me and a Lenovo Slim 3i N305 for my wife, both certified refurbished for $180 and $175 respectively. I couldn't be happier with these 2!!
I've been happily using the Lenovo Duet 5 for a couple of months. I really like its configuration with a detachable keyboard - gives the device a lot of versatility. I have it set up at my desk on a tablet stand, with the keyboard detached, and connect a mouse and an extrenal kyeboard via BT. This way, I can easily take the device off the stand and carry it over to the couch to use it as a tablet. Amazing machine.
I picked up the Asus CX34 flip for $299 on Black Friday, saved $200. It's been really nice, a bit heavy, but great nonetheless. I saw your review of it and was sold.
A nice list of Chromebooks, but very surprised you dropped the Acer Spin 513 from your list from last year. Yes it falls short of the 'Chromebook Plus' designation because of its webcam. But its ARM powered cpu (Kompanio 1380) still puts it head and shoulders above most other options if you want totally silent (fanless) operation and a stunning 3:2 (2256 x 1504 px) display. So how long before we see an ARM powered Chromebook Plus? - after all, Apple have gone all-in on them...
Hi Chrome Unboxed - thanks for the vid! :-) I've just bought my first two chromebooks, and initially loved the user experience, but one of them - a Lenovo Ideapad 3 had a TN screen that I just can't live with, and the other - a Lenovo Ideapad 5 with a i3 cip inside immediately began to make fan-noise after first setup!?? :-o I've been on a Mac Mini with the M1 chip inside for the last 2 years that makes absolutely no noise under ANY circumstances, and an Asus Vivobook with an i5 that I've had to completely power down for battery efficiency - also triggering complete silence, luckily :-) My point is - I think Non-ARM CPU's are a thing of the past - or will be soon. So which Chromebook can you recommend with ARM CPU and also minimum of LCD or preferably Amoled screen and 8 or more GB's of storage? I returned both Chromebooks :-/ The one with the TN screen had a Mediatek chip - so zero noise which was great, but only 4GB RAM
I've looked through all your videos here and I've not seen but only one video on a Chromebox and that was to upgrade something inside. Are you going to be giving reviews on Chromebox or maybe a 2024 project. I don't really like laptops because I can't see those smaller screens very well, but I am thinking of upgrading to a Chromebox as to use an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. They seem to be more of what I'm looking for as a desktop replacement. Thank you.
My Pixelbook Go is 3 years old and still doesn't miss a beat. Just one power wash 2 years in. None of these options would make me switch, especially with ongoing updates.
I got the HP x360 14c from Best buy when it was on clearance and open box for $250! Definitely the best deal on a Chromebook I've seen. The display isn't great (compared to the Duet 5 I was coming from) but everything else is fantastic! It's not a $700 Chromebook but for around $400 you could do much worse! Definitely a steal at $250.
Great roundup, thanks. I thought I'd decided on the Lenovo Flex 5i, but now I am considering a couple of additional possiblities. NB I used your link to the Chrome Shop, and was surprised to find information about 2021 on the home page. Doesn't inspire confidence!
I own Lenovo Duet 5 for about 6 months. It is great device in many aspects, but it's glass is extremely fragile. So I suggest to buy screen protector if available. I'm very careful user, but there appeared some micro-scratches in the first hours of usage (when I just watched on device and only made several touches to the screen). I tried to be even more careful, but scratches only appeared more. Last time I accidentally touched Lenovo's screen with soft edge of paperbook - and it cause the defect on the screen similar to stone hit, small cracks on the glass. I understand this was my bad, but cracks after the impact with paper... At the same time I'm using Lenovo M9 extensively, without screen protector - and it's screen still without any defect.
I hope there will be a review of the Chromebook Plus CX34. I'm searching for a Chromebook Plus with touchscreen and a higher end chip, so it's basically the only option i have… (I don't really need the extra performance, I just want to it to be 1000% future proof. I'm heavily disappointed by my OG Duet, it handles most Android apps worse than my 10 yo tablet and it was kind of expensive back then…)
I am thinking of buying a new Chromebook. I am just wondering if I could write multiple languages on Chromebook simultaneously like Windows has Avro (for typing Bangla) or Android supporting multi-lingual keyboards. It's a big deciding factor!
Why did you rate the acer 516 ge higher than the acer 714? I have the 516 and was thinking of swapping it out for the 714 because it has a touchscreen. Thoughts? I wish the UK put more effort into Chromebooks. We seem to get the lower variants always and at a premium price! 😞 Love your channel 👍
why not talking about acer CB515 that have a NVMe slot M2 ssd upgradable and not all these UFS (1.0 entry level low perf --nomore x2 eMMC--), despite the touchscreen is not USI (as many others as CX3402 not USI not NVMe slot)
@@jrwagh333So.. then you’re just a sucker for useless journalism, hmm? I figure that can be the only reason why you’re still here. 😂 Personally I enjoy the content and the link provided for up-to-date sales items. I saved over $100 on an Acer Chromebook Plus that’s been highly touted, thanks to that timely information, and I am mighty grateful.
Aren't Intel processors ( even newest) get hot and require fans to work and make noise? Heavy MacOS runs on ARM processors and doesn't need fans in basic configs like Macbook Air. One of my main priorities in Chromebook is fanless design with desktop browser experience which Macbook Airs do provide BUT for a lot of money. From this list probably only affordable Lenovo Slim 3 with MediaTek chip gets closest to my needs but from what I understood Kompanio line is very weak in MediaTek's portfolio and is laggy.
As a non-gamer I would still go for the good old Google Pixelbook for which there's still no real replacement after all those (more than 6!) years. Its design is still stunning, I've yet to see a better looking device. With the recent update extension to August 2027 there's also no need for a new Chromebook for me. It still gives my a slight heart attack though every time when it refuses to turn on, but by now I know how to fix it.
Which one of these is the best for college work AND gaming. My kid isn't a heavy game, just occasional but it would be nice to get something that can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
The Acer 516 GE for $300 is such an insane deal across the entire laptop space. Like if there ever was a Chromebook that was worth the headache to buy just to overwrite the firmware and turn it into a Windows laptop, this would be the one.
$300 dollars is this for the i5 8gb ram??? I got this for £470 in the UK $599.35 and even I think I got a deal where have you seen this so cheap this would be £235 in the UK not a chance with a 2k screen.
I'm in Chromebook heaven right now, having picked up an Asus CX34 for £245 (about $309) in the Black Thingummy sales here in the UK. Prior to that, I had been running ChromeOS Flex (and CloudReady before that) for over a year, on a Lenovo G50 fitted with 8GB of RAM and an SSD drive. I went to these extreme lengths because laptops are hideously overpriced in the UK, and as a retired developer I had the skills to pull it off. The most noticeable improvement has not been Android but advanced memory management. Linux apps leaked memory something rotten, especially when I was running Android Studio. Without much effort, I managed to build a very large Android app on a CPU it had no right to run on. This would have been out of the question on any version of Linux, so it annoys me when Linux advocates dismiss ChromeOS as just another Linux distro.
I am waiting for a Samsung Chromebook Plus offering. I have the Sammy Chromebook in fire red. I wonder if we'd get better specs than what I already have... we'll see.
There's something wrong with these Chromebooks. I am desperate to buy a hp dragonfly pro, but it is impossible to find it. I live in Belarus. But I am often in Europe, it is simply not sold. It is not in Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Sweden. Nowhere and nowhere. So apparently I am not destined to switch from ipad pro to chromebook pro).
00:02 2023 brought a range of impressive Chromebooks 00:55 Acer Chromebook 516 GE is a top choice for versatility and performance. 01:50 Highly modular Chromebook with top-notch internals and display 02:46 High-quality build and performance 03:39 Asus Chromebook plus cm34 flip offers great value for the money 04:34 Lenovo Flex 5i Chromebook packs quality features and affordability. 05:28 Affordable convertible with great features 06:17 Lenovo Chromebook Duet 5 is the top choice for detachable tablet-style Chromebook in 2023 Crafted by Merlin AI.
The one missed thing i hope fixed on my samsung chromebook 4 is ability to download office 365 apps, excel word power poin natively via playstore. I have onedrive family subscription but can't use it smoothly in it. Really disappointed bro.
With the volatility of Chromebook pricing, it just doesn't make sense. There are $699 devices that go on sale for $369, so it isn't as helpful as it would seem
I still don't understand why they don't just make an all out version of CBs or many other laptops. If you want a 17" display, you only get 1080, and 4GB on most easily had machines with some 8GB units out there but all have low-end CPUs. Or sometimes you find a good screen with good CPU but only 4GB ram, but comes with touch screen. Then, great KB (backlit, nice feel, etc) but other components low end. Or, why not solder on your 8GB ram and have another slot free for someone to add more if they want. Yes, not the intent but since they decided to really unlock Linux and dev mode, some on! It feels like most almost want to try but give up on random parts of their design when they are halfway up to the top of the mountain. Frame Work, the only one where you might be able to build a nice unit....still has no ordering available and page still says, "Get notified when this item comes back in stock." So it might as well not exist as you can't just buy one when you want to.
Dragonfly Pro Chromebook: not looking so hot compared to the Acer Chromebook Spin 714 which has a newer generation Intel Core CPU, and still have a headphone jack, for $300 less.
As designed, the Pixelbook Go has set a standard and been surpassed by other manufacturers. The closest to a Google Chromebook today is the HP Dragonfly Pro Chromebook, based on Chrome Unboxed's review of it.
Google canceled the Pixelbook and shut down the team that builds them September 2022. Google is out of the laptop game as far as hardware. So there is that.
These are low powered optimized (mostly) web appliances still, they emulate android, and uses a container for Debian, these can do nothing that anything else cant
Just a lotta corporate sales rhetoric, without any real indication of transparency, or honesty. The way Rob runs through the laundry lists, the way he uses fluffy language to give us only the cushy, general impressions that a best buy rep could. What's the point of this? When is Rob going to return to mentioning crouton? Never, I've accepted it. But, why no mention of the actual onboard linux, hm? Wanna talk about how google locked out even devs from accessing sudo priviliges? Of course not. It's almost like this channel only cares about brand name shuffling these days.
0:40 HP Dragonfly
1:07 Acer 516 GE
1:37 Acer Spin 714
2:06 Framework Laptop
2:40 Lenovo Slim 3i
3:09 Asus Vibe CX34 Flip
3:43 Asus CM34 Flip
4:21 Lenovo Flex 3i
4:48 Asus CX34
5:15 Lenovo Flex 5i
Thank you. Progress Man
Thank you! I was looking for this info.
Please add these timestamps to the video itself.
Oh how much I love and appreciate this kinda comment! 😭
I just took delivery of a Spin 714 today thanks to your earlier review. And, I got the $570 sale price! (It was $700 when I ordered it, but the price dropped the day before it arrived at the store. No problem, Best Buy credited me with the difference even before I picked it up.) Oh, and after using it for a couple of hours I got another update -- to Chromebook Plus system.
I picked up a Lenovo IdeaPad Slim 3 Chromebook during black Friday, and it's the best laptop I've ever used in my entire life. It loads pages like a dream, and the boot up speed is insanely fast. It boots up in less than 5 seconds
what kind of battery times do you get? I have the Lenovo Flexpad 5i chromebook plus, and I find the battery a bit lacking actually. I get around 5 hours of use if I dont do any more demanding things.
I bought a HP Chromebook 14a and with the these videos I've been watching, I can say that I feel confident in my purchase.
Asus and Lenovo smashing it. I upgraded to the Asus CM34 this past weekend from an older Lenovo Flex 5. Love the convertible form factor. Keep up the great work guys.
The Spin 714 is the real deal, fantastic portable all around Chromebook.
Amazing video, super valuable and all within 8 minutes. Well done team Chrome Unboxed! 🎉
7 minutes
@@8bitDNA sorry 7 indeed. Even more impressive
This year I picked up a Lenovo Duet 5 (8gb/128gb version) for me and a Lenovo Slim 3i N305 for my wife, both certified refurbished for $180 and $175 respectively. I couldn't be happier with these 2!!
I've been happily using the Lenovo Duet 5 for a couple of months. I really like its configuration with a detachable keyboard - gives the device a lot of versatility. I have it set up at my desk on a tablet stand, with the keyboard detached, and connect a mouse and an extrenal kyeboard via BT. This way, I can easily take the device off the stand and carry it over to the couch to use it as a tablet. Amazing machine.
I picked up the Asus CX34 flip for $299 on Black Friday, saved $200. It's been really nice, a bit heavy, but great nonetheless. I saw your review of it and was sold.
A nice list of Chromebooks, but very surprised you dropped the Acer Spin 513 from your list from last year.
Yes it falls short of the 'Chromebook Plus' designation because of its webcam. But its ARM powered cpu (Kompanio 1380) still puts it head and shoulders above most other options if you want totally silent (fanless) operation and a stunning 3:2 (2256 x 1504 px) display.
So how long before we see an ARM powered Chromebook Plus? - after all, Apple have gone all-in on them...
Hi Chrome Unboxed - thanks for the vid! :-) I've just bought my first two chromebooks, and initially loved the user experience, but one of them - a Lenovo Ideapad 3 had a TN screen that I just can't live with, and the other - a Lenovo Ideapad 5 with a i3 cip inside immediately began to make fan-noise after first setup!?? :-o I've been on a Mac Mini with the M1 chip inside for the last 2 years that makes absolutely no noise under ANY circumstances, and an Asus Vivobook with an i5 that I've had to completely power down for battery efficiency - also triggering complete silence, luckily :-) My point is - I think Non-ARM CPU's are a thing of the past - or will be soon. So which Chromebook can you recommend with ARM CPU and also minimum of LCD or preferably Amoled screen and 8 or more GB's of storage? I returned both Chromebooks :-/ The one with the TN screen had a Mediatek chip - so zero noise which was great, but only 4GB RAM
I've looked through all your videos here and I've not seen but only one video on a Chromebox and that was to upgrade something inside. Are you going to be giving reviews on Chromebox or maybe a 2024 project. I don't really like laptops because I can't see those smaller screens very well, but I am thinking of upgrading to a Chromebox as to use an external monitor, keyboard and mouse. They seem to be more of what I'm looking for as a desktop replacement. Thank you.
So I'm leaning between staying within the Lenovo ecosystem and going with a Framework, glad to see Lenovo well represented
My Pixelbook Go is 3 years old and still doesn't miss a beat. Just one power wash 2 years in. None of these options would make me switch, especially with ongoing updates.
I got the HP x360 14c from Best buy when it was on clearance and open box for $250! Definitely the best deal on a Chromebook I've seen. The display isn't great (compared to the Duet 5 I was coming from) but everything else is fantastic! It's not a $700 Chromebook but for around $400 you could do much worse! Definitely a steal at $250.
oh, I didn't wait long enough haha
Honestly, anything over 500usd feels like it isn't a Chromebook anymore but an under powered laptop.
i'm glad that i got my hp 14c prior to the badging change and the removal of the fingerprint reader. i love being able to log in by swiping my finger.
The CIA loves it too.
Is the acer 516 GE a chromebook plus?
Nvidia showed a new video today for geforce now promoting chromebook plus and they were using a acer 516 GE
Great roundup, thanks.
I thought I'd decided on the Lenovo Flex 5i, but now I am considering a couple of additional possiblities.
NB I used your link to the Chrome Shop, and was surprised to find information about 2021 on the home page. Doesn't inspire confidence!
I own Lenovo Duet 5 for about 6 months. It is great device in many aspects, but it's glass is extremely fragile. So I suggest to buy screen protector if available.
I'm very careful user, but there appeared some micro-scratches in the first hours of usage (when I just watched on device and only made several touches to the screen).
I tried to be even more careful, but scratches only appeared more.
Last time I accidentally touched Lenovo's screen with soft edge of paperbook - and it cause the defect on the screen similar to stone hit, small cracks on the glass. I understand this was my bad, but cracks after the impact with paper...
At the same time I'm using Lenovo M9 extensively, without screen protector - and it's screen still without any defect.
I hope there will be a review of the Chromebook Plus CX34. I'm searching for a Chromebook Plus with touchscreen and a higher end chip, so it's basically the only option i have…
(I don't really need the extra performance, I just want to it to be 1000% future proof. I'm heavily disappointed by my OG Duet, it handles most Android apps worse than my 10 yo tablet and it was kind of expensive back then…)
I am thinking of buying a new Chromebook. I am just wondering if I could write multiple languages on Chromebook simultaneously like Windows has Avro (for typing Bangla) or Android supporting multi-lingual keyboards. It's a big deciding factor!
asus CX3402 has 250nits only and when touchscreen, it's not USI at all...
Why did you rate the acer 516 ge higher than the acer 714? I have the 516 and was thinking of swapping it out for the 714 because it has a touchscreen. Thoughts? I wish the UK put more effort into Chromebooks. We seem to get the lower variants always and at a premium price! 😞 Love your channel 👍
why not talking about acer CB515 that have a NVMe slot M2 ssd upgradable and not all these UFS (1.0 entry level low perf --nomore x2 eMMC--), despite the touchscreen is not USI (as many others as CX3402 not USI not NVMe slot)
Would the asus cx34 be a viable option for music production? Is it able to run ableton?
Why do you refuse to acknowledge the poor battery performance of the Dragonfly?? You're the only ones not talking about it
You'll get used to it after being here for a while. Useless journalism
@@jrwagh333So.. then you’re just a sucker for useless journalism, hmm? I figure that can be the only reason why you’re still here. 😂 Personally I enjoy the content and the link provided for up-to-date sales items. I saved over $100 on an Acer Chromebook Plus that’s been highly touted, thanks to that timely information, and I am mighty grateful.
@@jrwagh333😮ㅋㅌㅌ😅ㅌ 😮😮3ㅛㄱㅅ6ㅆ😊
I been waiting for this
Aren't Intel processors ( even newest) get hot and require fans to work and make noise? Heavy MacOS runs on ARM processors and doesn't need fans in basic configs like Macbook Air. One of my main priorities in Chromebook is fanless design with desktop browser experience which Macbook Airs do provide BUT for a lot of money.
From this list probably only affordable Lenovo Slim 3 with MediaTek chip gets closest to my needs but from what I understood Kompanio line is very weak in MediaTek's portfolio and is laggy.
As a non-gamer I would still go for the good old Google Pixelbook for which there's still no real replacement after all those (more than 6!) years. Its design is still stunning, I've yet to see a better looking device. With the recent update extension to August 2027 there's also no need for a new Chromebook for me. It still gives my a slight heart attack though every time when it refuses to turn on, but by now I know how to fix it.
Which one of these is the best for college work AND gaming. My kid isn't a heavy game, just occasional but it would be nice to get something that can kill 2 birds with 1 stone.
The Acer 516 GE for $300 is such an insane deal across the entire laptop space. Like if there ever was a Chromebook that was worth the headache to buy just to overwrite the firmware and turn it into a Windows laptop, this would be the one.
I wonder how well it pairs with an egpu
$300 dollars is this for the i5 8gb ram??? I got this for £470 in the UK $599.35 and even I think I got a deal where have you seen this so cheap this would be £235 in the UK not a chance with a 2k screen.
@@Pixelkris-g8i there’s been stock of refurb units. Robbie posted it on the website.
nowhere @ $300, fake or joke ? if monthly leasing, perhaps ...
Does the Lenovo Flex 3i have another name? I can't find it anywhere in UK
I'm in Chromebook heaven right now, having picked up an Asus CX34 for £245 (about $309) in the Black Thingummy sales here in the UK. Prior to that, I had been running ChromeOS Flex (and CloudReady before that) for over a year, on a Lenovo G50 fitted with 8GB of RAM and an SSD drive. I went to these extreme lengths because laptops are hideously overpriced in the UK, and as a retired developer I had the skills to pull it off.
The most noticeable improvement has not been Android but advanced memory management. Linux apps leaked memory something rotten, especially when I was running Android Studio. Without much effort, I managed to build a very large Android app on a CPU it had no right to run on. This would have been out of the question on any version of Linux, so it annoys me when Linux advocates dismiss ChromeOS as just another Linux distro.
I am waiting for a Samsung Chromebook Plus offering. I have the Sammy Chromebook in fire red. I wonder if we'd get better specs than what I already have... we'll see.
Awesome video I still really like my lenovo duet 5. I might add an i3 or i5 model as well I miss my c340😢
i love chromebooks but here in my country they are a one in a million find
There's something wrong with these Chromebooks. I am desperate to buy a hp dragonfly pro, but it is impossible to find it. I live in Belarus. But I am often in Europe, it is simply not sold. It is not in Belarus, Lithuania, Latvia, Poland, Sweden. Nowhere and nowhere. So apparently I am not destined to switch from ipad pro to chromebook pro).
00:02 2023 brought a range of impressive Chromebooks
00:55 Acer Chromebook 516 GE is a top choice for versatility and performance.
01:50 Highly modular Chromebook with top-notch internals and display
02:46 High-quality build and performance
03:39 Asus Chromebook plus cm34 flip offers great value for the money
04:34 Lenovo Flex 5i Chromebook packs quality features and affordability.
05:28 Affordable convertible with great features
06:17 Lenovo Chromebook Duet 5 is the top choice for detachable tablet-style Chromebook in 2023
Crafted by Merlin AI.
I used to have the Duet 5, my mum doused it in milk while in transport so im getting either Flex 5i or CX34
The one missed thing i hope fixed on my samsung chromebook 4 is ability to download office 365 apps, excel word power poin natively via playstore. I have onedrive family subscription but can't use it smoothly in it. Really disappointed bro.
Why does the HP Elite Dragonfly never make these lists?
returning the spin 714 , screen too small for me.
Price should've been part of the list so researches can also judge by their budgets.
With the volatility of Chromebook pricing, it just doesn't make sense. There are $699 devices that go on sale for $369, so it isn't as helpful as it would seem
I still don't understand why they don't just make an all out version of CBs or many other laptops.
If you want a 17" display, you only get 1080, and 4GB on most easily had machines with some 8GB units out there but all have low-end CPUs.
Or sometimes you find a good screen with good CPU but only 4GB ram, but comes with touch screen.
Then, great KB (backlit, nice feel, etc) but other components low end.
Or, why not solder on your 8GB ram and have another slot free for someone to add more if they want. Yes, not the intent but since they decided to really unlock Linux and dev mode, some on!
It feels like most almost want to try but give up on random parts of their design when they are halfway up to the top of the mountain.
Frame Work, the only one where you might be able to build a nice unit....still has no ordering available and page still says, "Get notified when this item comes back in stock." So it might as well not exist as you can't just buy one when you want to.
2021' CB317 can still be found with N6000, 8GB, µSD, ts finger multitouch (not USI) but 128 emmc
Dragonfly Pro Chromebook: not looking so hot compared to the Acer Chromebook Spin 714 which has a newer generation Intel Core CPU, and still have a headphone jack, for $300 less.
Don’t Google Chromebooks feature anymore?
As designed, the Pixelbook Go has set a standard and been surpassed by other manufacturers. The closest to a Google Chromebook today is the HP Dragonfly Pro Chromebook, based on Chrome Unboxed's review of it.
Google canceled the Pixelbook and shut down the team that builds them September 2022. Google is out of the laptop game as far as hardware.
So there is that.
chromebook plus reviews when?
These are low powered optimized (mostly) web appliances still, they emulate android, and uses a container for Debian, these can do nothing that anything else cant
Hey 👋
Just a lotta corporate sales rhetoric, without any real indication of transparency, or honesty. The way Rob runs through the laundry lists, the way he uses fluffy language to give us only the cushy, general impressions that a best buy rep could.
What's the point of this?
When is Rob going to return to mentioning crouton? Never, I've accepted it. But, why no mention of the actual onboard linux, hm? Wanna talk about how google locked out even devs from accessing sudo priviliges? Of course not.
It's almost like this channel only cares about brand name shuffling these days.
I like how he likes Google, but does not trash Apple.
Any Chromebook above $100 is not worth the money, isn't it?
ok thats expensive
300 nits.... lol