You guys did a good job covering the pros and cons. Jesse, the install manual for the Home Panel is online. You feed it from two 240v breakers and it will allow you in their app to specify where that power goes. I will be moving my NEMA 14-50 wiring to the one on the front of the Panel and running a second 240v circuit to provide it full power. I will then take 8 circuits from my breaker panel and the 240v dual breaker circuit for the oven and connect that to the 10 controlled outputs on the Home Panel. That way I'll have that all battery backed up. Since none of this backfeeds power to the grid you don't need to throw a breaker before activating and with two SuperBase Vs it should allow hours of battery power. This is good for Time Of Use users too. Just set the two SBVs to NOT charge during peak-hours and all those circuits will be paying off-peak rates by using the battery to shift the load I didn't hear you mention Semi Solid State.
The stuff I saw in the Facebook group was concerning. Zendure employees arguing with people about technical specifications where the employee was clearly incorrect yet the potential customer was kicked out of the group. Not sure if that employee was on the engineering team but seemed to be pretty involved in development. Then I asked for info on the semi solid state cells and they said they signed and NDA with the manufacturer and cant tell us anything until April or May. So I'm hoping someone tears open the semi solid state version so we can get a good look at the cells and potentially some markings that we can trace back to a specific manufacturer (there are only 10 or so major Lithium cell manufacturers in China). DIY 48V Battery This is definitely a big change in power stations but I would be worried about being an early adopter. Zendure is known for their power banks with 100W PD output and they also have a 2000W Portable Power Station that is apparently quite well done but doesn't do anything bold. This is definitely a niche market power station for those that MUST have 220V and don't want to run multiple systems to keep the 120V and 220V separate...but at the price....14.3kwh of LiFeP04 from China in the form of 280Ah cells is about $2000, the other parts you'll need to transform it into a 48V battery will cost you $200 and then BMS is kind of up to you but that's $100 minimum typically for a quality 100A discharge 16S BMS and you can spend well past $200 but its really not necessary as a 200-300A 16S BMS can be had for $200. Off the Shelf Solution for Inverter/Charger/Charge Controller that works well with your DIY Battery Now you just need an all in one inverter, charger, charge controller and the LV6548 (or a clone) is around $1600 I think so its going to come out to $4,000 or maybe a bit under if you have some materials already. You could be close to $3,000 if you take a chance using a PowMR all in one unit or some other less reputable inverter/charger/charge controller in the $700 to $1200 range. I know 5K PowMR are $700 and I've seen many companies now offer 6.5K's and even larger but the general consensus is you are on your own if you run into technical issues. DC Power Options that Rival ANY power station If you want to mimic the DC outputs on the Zendure you could just buy something like the UGreen 200W Desktop Charger, buy an Aliexpress unit like the 800W Desktop Charger from Feb 22 Store and power it with an AC DC adapter or just use a stop down converter and run 24V into it, or the final option...DIY your own USB charging station using some 100W PD IP2368 boards/ 60W PD SW3516 or 100W PD SW3518S or the 4 channel SW3518S board, etc. Simplest DC Solution would be to add a 4 channel USB QC 3.0 Buck board ($6) to the 4 Channel SW3518S ($20) and thats two simple boards with 4 USB A and 4 USB C on the SW and 4 QC3.0 24W USB A ports.Feed them both 24V from a step down converter ($40). Leave a 24V 10A XT90/EC5/PowerPole available and maybe have another step down converter ($40) off the battery for a12V 30A through your connector of choice. You can have 400W of USB C and 96W of USB A with the the converter plus a second converter for 12V all for around $100. So for the price of a Superbase V or ~$500 less you could have over double the capacity, your choice on the all in one as far as AC output options, and the DC output is easy to customize. Time to build would be less than 8 hours. I would think anyone looking at seriously large volumes of energy storage would realize DIY is going to allow them to have double the capacity for the same price and thats huge if you're trying to get enough storage for multiple days of normal electrical usage at home. $10,000 could give you 3 sets of batteries, 3 all in ones and two custom DC power boards run to different parts of your house (say office and bedroom) and I think 45kwh is enough that most people could last the better part of a week if they didn't use the washer, dryer, or go crazy on the AC or Heater.
This looks like a great solution for me as I live in a Condo with no access to home charging! Only problem, DAMN that's expensive! I drive a PHEV, not sure how long it'll take for ROI vs. using gas. By the time I pay it off, I may have saved enough for a BEV!
The smart home panel is a manual transfer switch. You connect 10 of your current breakers into the transfer panel. If power goes out, you turn off the main breaker and turn on the breakers connected to the smart panel. I have this system for running off a generator.
Except it's automatic but only for the 10 circuits your electrician moves to it and the two 240v plugs on its face, same with the EcoFlow version of this
What if the manual transfer switch made it where you could provide 240v power to your house breaker panel via a thick 240v extension cord with a 240v plug on the end of it, that you simply plug into the Zendure 240v Outlet...............derrrr
@@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 The onboard 240 isn't high enough amperage to run the whole house but with the appropriate cables as I mentioned in the original comment you can use a manual transfer switch, more than 10 circuits and at a lower cost, but it isn't automatic anymore if you go that route
Or you could make a TT30 120v 30amp power cord coming off of the Zendure unit, and have it on a manual transfer switch to power your house breaker panel....now all of the outlets in your house have 30amp service coming from the Zendure's 120v 30amp Outlet. It just takes a custom made 120v power cord tied into your house's breaker panel, and plugged into the Zendure. It's literally that easy to use it as a home back up.
I lost a lot of battles with the solar power systems in the back country ranger cabins I was based out of in the mountains of BC. This would have been the cats pajamas!
I was thinking about getting a Power Wall, I hadn't been thinking about an Ecoflow. This is the first system that seems to be up to doing what I wanted a Power Wall for. It helps that I got it at Kickstarter pricing, about $5000 for two SBVs, another $1000 for the Home Panel, and I can always add batteries next Black Friday.
So yeah, you take your breaker panel and have an electrician or yourself install a 240v power line coming into the panel on a switch....so now the breaker panel has a 240v wire coming out of it with a 240v plug on the end of it. And you just plug that into the 240v Output plug on the Zendure unit. Now the Zendure is set to power your house, if the power goes out. It is literally that simple.
The biggest question i have is will this use solar instaed of the battery to run things when it is full or will it keep the battery topped off as you use it? Or does it shut down when it is full? this is very important to know thanks 🙂Also if you have more than one battery can you use more solar panels to get the max recharge? cheers :-)
One good thing about that slow charging is that it will last longer and maybe that'll give you a 15 or 20 hundred percent capability before the battery goes down to 80% which would make it a 30-year battery then altogether making it the best battery on the planet of course we do that to all the other power generators they all become that way especially if you only discharge only so much meaning you probably want all the the batteries to it and both units and probably even more of those units in its batteries so that you might have a 30 years of batteries before they die to be dead batteries.
Question kinda new at this and don't know much abot about electric panels and stuff will be getting solar with net metering would it be possible to have a switch on electric panel to be able to charge with my solar panels it will be a 6kwh system live in NYC with attached row houses so no battery system allowed just want to have this in case just to use fridge and small ac in case of blackout Thanks
Do you need to buy the Zendure home panel To get the 240v for a well pump. With the delta pro you connect two delta pros together with the adapter. Then plug in a 30amp plug to your transfer switch or an interlock switch. My guess is you have use the output plug for 240v . So are there adapters to use for well pumps. My well pump has a light switch on off.
I took a look at there website. It had lots of flash, but lacked substance. Not easy to navigate either. Their Smart Home Panel, which looks to be just a transfer switch, lacked any documentation as far as I could tell. I’m guessing from the photo that you could connect up to 10 circuits from your electrical panel to it, but without documentation, only the manufacturer knows. This system is a non-starter for RVing. It’s way too heavy, and takes up too much space. I can’t imagine taking that boondocking. I suspect the plastic case might not hold up to all the bouncing as well.
I'm not a weightlifter but I'll pick I mean if I have to pick up more at work I'll pick those up and put them in a place where they'll stay permanently the same with the two generators if I could talk to him together for a parallel system and no I have it hooked up to my house but I won't have it hooked up to the grid even if it gets UL certified because what I'm going to hooking it up to will not be hooked up to the grid anyways I will have other systems for that but right now I don't got nothing hooked up to the grid so I do have some power issues and that would take care of some of the power issues by hooking something up to it permanently and only that so hope this I'm charging ports on the batteries that'll make it pretty decent then and still be a slow charger that can run power all the time and that'll make it a really good unit for me.
I run a mobile detailing business and have been looking for a solution to help power some of my tools. Anyone know if this main unit would be able to power a shop vac, pressure washer or a polisher? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Tia. Sorry if an obvious question. I just know my tools require a lot of juice so wasn’t sure.
Look at up how much energy the tools use together. The Zendure can provide 3800W continuous and 7600w peak. If all the tools use less than 3800w total, then you are good.
Very frustrating review. Yes it can be a full home back up. Instead of getting a unit and spare battery get 2 units with the y connector and then you have a 240 split phase plug to plug in ant generator panel that's cheap to install. I ordered 2 of the lithium version for my food truck
Can anyone see the folowing happening anytime soon ? 10K for a single Zendure unit capable of holding 30KWY (so it's able to release it's energy reserve from 8PM to 8AM until solar power the next day starts to kick in) 5K for the upgraded solar panel capable of being directly plugged into the single high capacity Zendure, (elminating the need for multiple Zendures, which as best I can tell, are being plugged into each major use case one by one in different areas of the home, the refigerator in the kitchen, the minisplits for different bedrooms or living rooms, etc.. 5K for a few solar panels capable of producing 60KWH a day, so 30K can be enough for 90% to 100% of average home consumption energy, and the excess 30KWH being stored into the mythical Zendure system , I'm waiting on, (if this system under 20K is available now, great! where is it in place ?) if not, than until it is, many homeowners are not going to be motivated enough to risk going off grid) How many KiloWatts run a house ? Answer: 30 (this is before any hopes of having any potential electric car cost covered by Solar Energy/Power Station combination) (the public car charging station infrastructure is way too unreliable to assume you can always count on it indefinitely) (not to mention it's also not free) www.google.com/search?q=Kilowatt&source=hp&ei=mTDLZJHJOLr3kPIPvY2F4Ao&iflsig=AD69kcEAAAAAZMs-qW0TikZg0u3AWiBz2spdlblI1nhn&ved=0ahUKEwjR-eLy1r-AAxW6O0QIHb1GAawQ4dUDCAs&uact=5&oq=Kilowatt&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6IghLaWxvd2F0dDIIEAAYgAQYsQMyCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBMggQABiABBixAzIIEAAYgAQYsQMyCxAAGIAEGLEDGIMBMgsQABiABBixAxiDATILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEyBRAAGIAEMgUQABiABDIFEAAYgARI4hJQAFipD3AAeACQAQCYAUugAfMDqgEBOLgBA8gBAPgBAcICCBAuGIAEGLEDwgITEC4YigUYsQMYgwEYxwEY0QMYCsICERAuGIoFGLEDGIMBGMcBGNEDwgIREC4YgwEYxwEYsQMY0QMYgATCAg4QLhiABBixAxjHARjRA8ICERAuGIMBGMcBGLEDGNEDGIoFwgIREC4YgAQYsQMYgwEYxwEY0QPCAgsQLhiABBixAxiDAcICBRAuGIAEwgIOEC4YigUYsQMYxwEYrwHCAgsQLhiABBixAxjUAsICCxAAGIoFGLEDGIMBwgILEC4YrwEYxwEYgAQ&sclient=gws-wiz
I really appreciate how thorough and honest this review was. It explained some things I didn't see elsewhere.
You guys did a good job covering the pros and cons. Jesse, the install manual for the Home Panel is online. You feed it from two 240v breakers and it will allow you in their app to specify where that power goes. I will be moving my NEMA 14-50 wiring to the one on the front of the Panel and running a second 240v circuit to provide it full power. I will then take 8 circuits from my breaker panel and the 240v dual breaker circuit for the oven and connect that to the 10 controlled outputs on the Home Panel. That way I'll have that all battery backed up. Since none of this backfeeds power to the grid you don't need to throw a breaker before activating and with two SuperBase Vs it should allow hours of battery power. This is good for Time Of Use users too. Just set the two SBVs to NOT charge during peak-hours and all those circuits will be paying off-peak rates by using the battery to shift the load
I didn't hear you mention Semi Solid State.
Great comment with a lot to unpack. Worthy of a dedicated follow up if you ask me. Did you do it?
@@chrisisinthehouse1 I am told my Home Panel will arrive "later", so no
The stuff I saw in the Facebook group was concerning. Zendure employees arguing with people about technical specifications where the employee was clearly incorrect yet the potential customer was kicked out of the group. Not sure if that employee was on the engineering team but seemed to be pretty involved in development.
Then I asked for info on the semi solid state cells and they said they signed and NDA with the manufacturer and cant tell us anything until April or May. So I'm hoping someone tears open the semi solid state version so we can get a good look at the cells and potentially some markings that we can trace back to a specific manufacturer (there are only 10 or so major Lithium cell manufacturers in China).
DIY 48V Battery
This is definitely a big change in power stations but I would be worried about being an early adopter. Zendure is known for their power banks with 100W PD output and they also have a 2000W Portable Power Station that is apparently quite well done but doesn't do anything bold. This is definitely a niche market power station for those that MUST have 220V and don't want to run multiple systems to keep the 120V and 220V separate...but at the price....14.3kwh of LiFeP04 from China in the form of 280Ah cells is about $2000, the other parts you'll need to transform it into a 48V battery will cost you $200 and then BMS is kind of up to you but that's $100 minimum typically for a quality 100A discharge 16S BMS and you can spend well past $200 but its really not necessary as a 200-300A 16S BMS can be had for $200.
Off the Shelf Solution for Inverter/Charger/Charge Controller that works well with your DIY Battery
Now you just need an all in one inverter, charger, charge controller and the LV6548 (or a clone) is around $1600 I think so its going to come out to $4,000 or maybe a bit under if you have some materials already. You could be close to $3,000 if you take a chance using a PowMR all in one unit or some other less reputable inverter/charger/charge controller in the $700 to $1200 range. I know 5K PowMR are $700 and I've seen many companies now offer 6.5K's and even larger but the general consensus is you are on your own if you run into technical issues.
DC Power Options that Rival ANY power station
If you want to mimic the DC outputs on the Zendure you could just buy something like the UGreen 200W Desktop Charger, buy an Aliexpress unit like the 800W Desktop Charger from Feb 22 Store and power it with an AC DC adapter or just use a stop down converter and run 24V into it, or the final option...DIY your own USB charging station using some 100W PD IP2368 boards/ 60W PD SW3516 or 100W PD SW3518S or the 4 channel SW3518S board, etc.
Simplest DC Solution would be to add a 4 channel USB QC 3.0 Buck board ($6) to the 4 Channel SW3518S ($20) and thats two simple boards with 4 USB A and 4 USB C on the SW and 4 QC3.0 24W USB A ports.Feed them both 24V from a step down converter ($40). Leave a 24V 10A XT90/EC5/PowerPole available and maybe have another step down converter ($40) off the battery for a12V 30A through your connector of choice. You can have 400W of USB C and 96W of USB A with the the converter plus a second converter for 12V all for around $100.
So for the price of a Superbase V or ~$500 less you could have over double the capacity, your choice on the all in one as far as AC output options, and the DC output is easy to customize. Time to build would be less than 8 hours.
I would think anyone looking at seriously large volumes of energy storage would realize DIY is going to allow them to have double the capacity for the same price and thats huge if you're trying to get enough storage for multiple days of normal electrical usage at home. $10,000 could give you 3 sets of batteries, 3 all in ones and two custom DC power boards run to different parts of your house (say office and bedroom) and I think 45kwh is enough that most people could last the better part of a week if they didn't use the washer, dryer, or go crazy on the AC or Heater.
Thank u….❤
awesome review, thanks guys!
Chorus a Tesla powerwall you also need an inverter as well what you're not adding onto the powerwall price.
This looks like a great solution for me as I live in a Condo with no access to home charging!
Only problem, DAMN that's expensive! I drive a PHEV, not sure how long it'll take for ROI vs. using gas. By the time I pay it off, I may have saved enough for a BEV!
How does one lift it to get it into your condo, assuming there are stairs and such.
@@LarryRichelli Only one small lip over the front-door saddle, maybe 4" high.
I’d really like to see a comparison review of all the portable power units available now. I’ve been seeing more and more ads for them. PLEASE!
The smart home panel is a manual transfer switch. You connect 10 of your current breakers into the transfer panel. If power goes out, you turn off the main breaker and turn on the breakers connected to the smart panel. I have this system for running off a generator.
Except it's automatic but only for the 10 circuits your electrician moves to it and the two 240v plugs on its face, same with the EcoFlow version of this
Manual is for their Y cable, or EcoFlow's Double Voltage Hub
What if the manual transfer switch made it where you could provide 240v power to your house breaker panel via a thick 240v extension cord with a 240v plug on the end of it, that you simply plug into the Zendure 240v Outlet...............derrrr
@@dr.davidbannerf.e.s.6217 The onboard 240 isn't high enough amperage to run the whole house but with the appropriate cables as I mentioned in the original comment you can use a manual transfer switch, more than 10 circuits and at a lower cost, but it isn't automatic anymore if you go that route
Or you could make a TT30 120v 30amp power cord coming off of the Zendure unit, and have it on a manual transfer switch to power your house breaker panel....now all of the outlets in your house have 30amp service coming from the Zendure's 120v 30amp Outlet. It just takes a custom made 120v power cord tied into your house's breaker panel, and plugged into the Zendure. It's literally that easy to use it as a home back up.
I lost a lot of battles with the solar power systems in the back country ranger cabins I was based out of in the mountains of BC.
This would have been the cats pajamas!
How does it compare to the Ecoflow systems? It seems much better to compare between those rather than against a Tesla Powerwall...
I was thinking about getting a Power Wall, I hadn't been thinking about an Ecoflow. This is the first system that seems to be up to doing what I wanted a Power Wall for. It helps that I got it at Kickstarter pricing, about $5000 for two SBVs, another $1000 for the Home Panel, and I can always add batteries next Black Friday.
So yeah, you take your breaker panel and have an electrician or yourself install a 240v power line coming into the panel on a switch....so now the breaker panel has a 240v wire coming out of it with a 240v plug on the end of it. And you just plug that into the 240v Output plug on the Zendure unit. Now the Zendure is set to power your house, if the power goes out. It is literally that simple.
The biggest question i have is will this use solar instaed of the battery to run things when it is full or will it keep the battery topped off as you use it? Or does it shut down when it is full? this is very important to know thanks 🙂Also if you have more than one battery can you use more solar panels to get the max recharge? cheers :-)
I own one... and the panel
One good thing about that slow charging is that it will last longer and maybe that'll give you a 15 or 20 hundred percent capability before the battery goes down to 80% which would make it a 30-year battery then altogether making it the best battery on the planet of course we do that to all the other power generators they all become that way especially if you only discharge only so much meaning you probably want all the the batteries to it and both units and probably even more of those units in its batteries so that you might have a 30 years of batteries before they die to be dead batteries.
Question kinda new at this and don't know much abot about electric panels and stuff will be getting solar with net metering would it be possible to have a switch on electric panel to be able to charge with my solar panels it will be a 6kwh system live in NYC with attached row houses so no battery system allowed just want to have this in case just to use fridge and small ac in case of blackout Thanks
It can back up home power no problem, 12kwh vs 13 KWH with power wall about the same
So I have the unit 2000 can't turn off the LED light at the bottom I need to do that???
Do you need to buy the Zendure home panel To get the 240v for a well pump. With the delta pro you connect two delta pros together with the adapter. Then plug in a 30amp plug to your transfer switch or an interlock switch. My guess is you have use the output plug for 240v . So are there adapters to use for well pumps. My well pump has a light switch on off.
No you don't need the panel. You can get a Y cable to connect two units for 240v and 7600w. One unit alone can do 240v 3800w
I took a look at there website. It had lots of flash, but lacked substance. Not easy to navigate either.
Their Smart Home Panel, which looks to be just a transfer switch, lacked any documentation as far as I could tell. I’m guessing from the photo that you could connect up to 10 circuits from your electrical panel to it, but without documentation, only the manufacturer knows.
This system is a non-starter for RVing. It’s way too heavy, and takes up too much space. I can’t imagine taking that boondocking. I suspect the plastic case might not hold up to all the bouncing as well.
I'm not a weightlifter but I'll pick I mean if I have to pick up more at work I'll pick those up and put them in a place where they'll stay permanently the same with the two generators if I could talk to him together for a parallel system and no I have it hooked up to my house but I won't have it hooked up to the grid even if it gets UL certified because what I'm going to hooking it up to will not be hooked up to the grid anyways I will have other systems for that but right now I don't got nothing hooked up to the grid so I do have some power issues and that would take care of some of the power issues by hooking something up to it permanently and only that so hope this I'm charging ports on the batteries that'll make it pretty decent then and still be a slow charger that can run power all the time and that'll make it a really good unit for me.
I run a mobile detailing business and have been looking for a solution to help power some of my tools. Anyone know if this main unit would be able to power a shop vac, pressure washer or a polisher? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Tia. Sorry if an obvious question. I just know my tools require a lot of juice so wasn’t sure.
Look at up how much energy the tools use together. The Zendure can provide 3800W continuous and 7600w peak. If all the tools use less than 3800w total, then you are good.
Very frustrating review. Yes it can be a full home back up. Instead of getting a unit and spare battery get 2 units with the y connector and then you have a 240 split phase plug to plug in ant generator panel that's cheap to install. I ordered 2 of the lithium version for my food truck
Be aware the firmware is having issues mine spent much time down
Can this run a well pump?
How long will this power a large flat screen tv 75” or more before it dies?
Incase we wanna bing watch Netflix 😂
Can anyone see the folowing happening anytime soon ?
10K for a single Zendure unit capable of holding 30KWY (so it's able to release it's energy reserve from 8PM to 8AM until solar power the next day starts to kick in)
5K for the upgraded solar panel capable of being directly plugged into the single high capacity Zendure, (elminating the need for multiple Zendures, which as best I can tell, are
being plugged into each major use case one by one in different areas of the home, the refigerator in the kitchen, the minisplits for different bedrooms or living rooms, etc..
5K for a few solar panels capable of producing 60KWH a day, so 30K can be enough for 90% to 100% of average home consumption energy, and the excess 30KWH being stored into
the mythical Zendure system , I'm waiting on,
(if this system under 20K is available now, great! where is it in place ?) if not, than until it is, many homeowners are not going to be motivated enough to risk going off grid)
How many KiloWatts run a house ? Answer: 30 (this is before any hopes of having any potential electric car cost covered by Solar Energy/Power Station combination)
(the public car charging station infrastructure is way too unreliable to assume you can always count on it indefinitely) (not to mention it's also not free)
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Good review, but no there are not more hurricanes and floods now. There is more news the publicizes them now.
Looks a bit pricy and not budget friendly for the ordinary user like me.
In the real world that power station is not really portable. It is too big and heavy to be towed around all day.
Everyone is talking about the features. What Everyone wants to know , even before all the reviews IS WHATS THE PRICE!!!!
😂 he said the price in the beginning 3100 on sale
Definately not investing in Zendure