Why Military Fitness is a Joke with Mark Rippetoe
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@@GruntProof As a strength and conditioning coach of over twenty years there are very few people in the industry I actually respect and Mark is one of those guys along with Phil Daru out of American Top Team. Fantastic that you had Mark on, the guy is a OG in the field.
@@skubz81 I was on their show. Awesome to chat with him
Genuinely one of the nicest parts about swapping from Active Duty to the Army National Guard is how I'm completely responsible for my own training and my diet, and can implement intelligent, effective techniques to physically progress, instead of degrade slowly over time through grinding my knees on Fort Bliss concrete. Hurting way less and making FAR better progress with my fitness and strength.
Every Soldier or would-be militiaman should have a Power Rack in his household as a standard item with a bench, bar, and enough plates to progress in the main 3: squat, bench, deadlift.
At least a few freaking kettle bells and a pull up bar if you don't have the space. Jr enlisted live that Itty bitty living space life
@@jasonjohnson6938sandbags at the absolute minimum.
Pea Gravel and Armor sandbags is AMAZING for strength development.
No worry about dropping a handled cannonball on your head when you reach failure either. Just drop the bag if you have to.
You'd be disgusted with how much weight your bodyweight actually is.
Most guys daydream about being able to toss other dudes around.
Nossir.
Ask any medic that has had to buddy drag.
I think you can get there uniquely with strongman/sandbag training though
I agree. I was in MUCH better shape before the Army than during. I'm switching to Guard in a few months and that's really one of the biggest reasons for me.
@@jasonjohnson6938 Don't waste your money on kettlebells.
If you don't have the space for a rack, then make space. If you can't make space, buy a gym membership.
If I may make a couple of recommendations. Look up Mountain Tough, and add military press to those main lifts .
Ranger Regiment and Marine Recon cracked the code a while back. Marine Infantry is going in the right direction with their new Infantry Physical Assessment at IMC, which is a slimmed down version of the Marine Recon Physical Assessment, but the insistence in keeping the legacy PFT for individual evaluation for rank is completely backwards thinking.
Yep.
Not just that, but if you were to stack it back to back with a CFT and 03XX MSPS, you have a pretty challenging set of physical tests ahead of you.
The real problem with US military fitness is that they ignore the history of military fitness. You have to go back at least to Col. Herman Koehler at West Point pre WWI. Quality of movement was skillfully taught by master instructors. We have the same problem with current US K-12 PE-it is now mostly just physical activity at best with minimal to NO technical instruction whether it be walking and running gait or teaching a proper hip hinge so the kids can move from their hips for a clean dead lift with proper lines and thus optimizing strength. It does not matter what kind of “testing” or “training” you do if moving like crap is never corrected. Quality was not sacrificed for volume and intensity with Koehler’s system. Military movement injuries were higher in WWII than WWI plus higher rejection rates too because movement quality dropped post WWI because K-12 PE shifted from an orthopedic gymnastics focus to sports based PE. WWII fitness leaders quickly restored some of the Koehler system so we could be fit for duty. Current injuries and rejection rates are terrible today. Why? We get further and further away from quality movement along with the neural precision it takes to get there. I have worked with people from nearly all branches of US military and presented the historical aspects for them in order to help them recalibrate; however, the egos and dysfunctional bureaucracy with the top decision makers locks up logical decisions towards the former rational training. By elementary school, our kids should know the basics on how to “properly” sit, stand, walk, run, skip, jump, hang and climb, push, pull, roll, crawl, and swim. These untrained physically illiterate recruits then come into basic training full of movement dysfunctions and micro traumas from poor training and lack of both prehab and rehab. Loading a body in excess for military training or competition with the aforementioned will result in higher injuries. It does NOT work out well whether youth sports or the military, and both has extremely high injuries rates compared to former generations. It’s a real problem that will not be fixed until we use history as a guide to prioritize quality human movement. The US military is now chasing the shiny new objects of high tech and AI to fix their fitness issues. It will not work. It just complicates the simple fundamentals and obscures the nuances of movement mastery. Agree we need more explosive and sprint training for current combat as opposed to long endurance training, BUT, both are going to be inefficient and injury prone without proper basic conditioning with clean biomechanics. I currently teach elementary “classical” PE. My kids ARE getting it. They learn proper lines, Newton’s Laws of Motion, survival movement skills, hip hinges, dead lift, etc., etc. I do not teach sports. I teach movement skill to optimize their movement so they can play better and harder, do self defense, join the military, or just have a fighting chance to be fit and healthy. They CAN do it! Want a strong and fit military and country-go back to basics and start teaching it ASAP before basic training so the military is not overwhelmed with obesity and physical illiteracy. -Ron Jones
@@Polymath9000 Indeed. Classical PE often had archery. Combatives for self-defense was also part of the classical PE model. The formula for success was the same. A proper philosophy behind the programs with the focus on movement quality; this approach created mental stability. We made a full documentary film a few years ago on this topic if interested. It’s called, “The Motivation Factor.”
Do you have any suggested reading/watching to learn classical PE?
Thanks for your comment!
I would add illiterate,with hunting, tracking, long range, short range target identification, firearms..eye hand co ordination…skills learned k-12 decades past!
Can you point me to any UA-cam channel that teaches what you’re talking about?
@@jeremiahr7585 My channel has a lot on fitness history and classical methods although I stopped posting because I got sick of the YT BS. Ben Miller of Physical Culture Historians also has quality content. youtube.com/@theleanberets?si=hHAZ2oL5jfZ8zyEf
Physical fitness tests should be taken in full gear and sprinting and everything else needs to be included. Train hard fight easy.
They are decades behind even the most “Gym Bro Science” guys. It would take an act of Congress to change anything quickly. No one cares about the grunts, other than their fellow grunts.
The problem with running in boots and utes is the wear and tear it puts on the body. I like how the British Royal Marines conduct their physical fitness tests. Battle drills with sprints in full gear is what we did back in the early 1980's along with 25 mile humps....Good discussion. Thanks..
How do the Royal Marines do it in comparison?
I'm a former Drill Sergeant and an Master Fitness Trainer for the Army. This is what I have to say about Army fitness.
First, if I hurt my back with a deadlift, I'm most likely out for 10 days at the most. It hurts bad enough that I'm left alone to heal and then I'm back in. If I get hurt from running, it's going to hurt for longer, but it won't hurt enough that I'm left alone to heal. No. I still have to run (slower maybe), ruck, and do other things that exacerbate the injury. These running injuries stack on top of each other until something snaps and then I'm out for 6 months at least. So I agree that the belief that deadlift injuries are somehow not worth it vs run injuries is dumb.
Second, there's no reason for the Army to have a core assessment. If I can run, deadlift, do push ups with good form, and carry 40lbs in each hand quickly, then my core is as strong as it needs to be. FULL STOP.
Third, the 2 mile run on the pt test is dumb. The reason it was kept woth the ACFT is dumber. The one that chose to keep it wanted a "gut check." A 2 mile run at a 10 min/mile pace is not a gut check. An 800m sprint is a gut check. A 12 mile ruck is a gut check. And both of those are way more applicable to what soldiers actually do.
Lastly, besides rucking, the Sprint Drag Carry pretty much assesses everything you need in for the Army
With weightlifting, when one gets injured, it's abruptly.
With running and overuse injuries, it's less visible.
This is probably part of the reason for this glaring blindspot among leadership.
I know octogenarians that can run two miles at a 10min pace. For THEM maybe it is a gut check but not a military age male or even female.
It was never really about combat readiness. It was about having a good NCOER/OER.
In Afghanistan when we left Kajacki and got back to camp leatherneck they weighed everyone in and made it so you had to be 10 lbs under your maximum height and weight requirement for two weeks in a row. So basically I went from weight training to starving and dehydrating myself to make sure I was under my max allowed weight by 11 lbs.
The BMI obsession is crazy. I haven't been under my BMI weight since freshman year in HS (with one exception), and I am an amateur Ironman athlete despite being "unhealthy" weight.
According to BMI, I would be "healthy" at 130lbs but am "overweight" at 180. It is completely insane. I haven't been below 135 since 7th grade. By the time I get to about 165lbs, I have family members asking me if everything is okay and performing interventions to make sure I am eating. I got really sick recently and got down to 162. Family said I looked like a skeleton. Yet, BMI says I am healthy at 130.
BMI needs a spectacular death and needs to be never used again.
BMI is a quick and dirty rule of thumb for untrained people.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle Hi I'm in the UK and I agree I looked up the Origins of BMI some years ago. I think it was late last century or early this century it started to be used as a measure. People then were generally shorter and I think lighter . I have seen so many people where the BMI doesn't make useful sense there's a vast difference between useful weight ie muscle or flabby fat. I'm old but my Gym has a Machine that can give you a scan readout of your muscle mass mine was high muscle at 65 and muscle is heavy. My local health check at doctors said I was just on the obese scale🙄 . If I dropped to their suggested weight I would look ill. I was in the Military many years ago With all shapes and sizes. On a regular Unit I have been out drinking with mates(we Brits like a pint or two 😊 and the next morning did a run with the BMI laden guy who drank more than me the night before and he still whooped me. Don't judge a book by it's cover is what I learned . I think there is now a measure that's more accurate than BMI but we all know Genes Hereditary factors all come into your build bone mass and muscle function. Take care 👍🏴🇬🇧
Doing a 5 mile run is not meant to replicate a literal combat event where you run 5 miles. It trains your heart and V2 max so when you are doing combat specific tasks you aren’t smoked.
The guys who can’t run can’t hold formation and slow down teams during bounding movements, especially when carrying a sked.
I’ve been an enlisted light infantryman for a little more than a decade so I’ve seen the full spectrum of guys who swear by different training regimens and I see their performance in the field. I’m literally their rater. The guys who focus only on strength have always fallen out during tough movements or flanking maneuvers. On the flip side, the guy who has a 35 min 5 mile who is not remarkable in a squat rack or hex bar is able to lead his team, communicate on the radio without breathing like an ape, and do all tactical tasks without issue.
Those guys are also skinny and can't carry their weight you need to be somewhere in the middle
The truth is the amy has overloaded their men, and it trains them like shit. Those who lift, not because they have to, often don't do enuf running and don't care about it. Those who run, not because they have to, often don't do enuf lifting and don't care about it. You absolutely can be really good at running and really good at lifting. It takes a brain, knowing that both mean a lot, and caring about both enuf. You might lose *some* gains being good at running, but unless you're trying to be an olympic marathonner, the amount you'll need to lose or give up is minimal. You've seen a lot of people train, sure, but I promise you haven't seen someone sincerely attempting to be hybrid, because it has been done before (and is easily done in fact) to have a 5 - 6 minute kilometre whilst also lifting plates and plates. Even naturals can do it. Alan Thrall, Alec Enkiri, Bioneer, Geoffrey Schofield. I myself train like this, I don't have the years to hang out with the big leagues, and it definitely works. The truth is, tho, that nothing can make wearing >2/3rds of your bodyweight every day, running longer and harder than you're meant to, on poorly thought on missions, in unjustified wars, with lazy doctrine and so on. Nothing can make purposefully injurious & ignorant ideas and training work.
@@Bighitter03 You need to be doing everything 5+ miles run at sub 8-7 min miles. 70+ pound ruck/runs, weighted calithenics, squats, deadlifts, OHP, sprinting, swimming, mountain runs, sledge hammer tire work, martial arts etc. Literally train everything
@priley817 running doesn't help with combat fitness youay think it does but it doesn't rucking sure I can see that but 70lbs is asking g for back problems hell there is no reason I should ever need 70lbs in a ruck sack even on patrol
@@FridgemaxxedHybridoreanL-wi6rg if someone can't run a 5-6 minute kilometer they definitely have other things to worry about
One of my clients is going through sere school right now and I've handled his strength training programs since 2018. He's a PT God and I can't say enough how much I emphasize bracing during main lifts to improve core strength. We've done powerlifting, but he's said the real game changers are rucking and heavy sandbag work.
By heavy sandbag work, what exactly do you mean?
I agree but building max strength doesn’t increase muscular endurance. These are two separate energy systems that must be trained concurrently for the best results.
Gym won't help rucking.
Your channel has totally changed my workout. I am 46 and wife is 51. I used to focused on cardiovascular workouts. Like running, biking, or swimming. My wife was even in the Air Force for 13 yers. We changed our workout to focus on strength training and some cardio workout. My wife and I are at the strongest ever in our life and all of our joint pain is gone. My wife told me she is even more fit now than when she was in the Air Force.
Thank you for teaching us. You changed our life.
So, soldiers should be Crossfitters and NFL players? Just lifting and sprints?
Everywhere in the world is like this. Physical sessions are to tear and punish, not to provide benefits to the individual such as increase performance, capacity... endurance ... combat readiness for the unit.
Something tells me randall is going to be this guy in 20 years
This guy sounds like the Dave Ramsey of strength training.
LMAO that is a perfect description. Rippletits is a character
One of the other factors that rarely get touched upon is that this kind of thing was significantly less of a problem back when guys were issued suspender gear for missions and situations when they didn't need to hump the full ALICE ruck. Also back in those days, they didnt have an entire Abrams worth of armor as the base item for their load carrying equipment. Guys are carrying too much shit.
What was the point of that conversation?
military wants obedient cannon fodder not mass individuals who can think and succeed for themselves
That doesn't mean we won't have to suicide our ego when it finally comes to fighting invading/OPFOR.
He who is most cohesive, wins
Okay, bud. So you’re saying the officer or senior enlisted goes down and everyone else on an assault force is useless? Are you infantry or greater? Otherwise, you’re lack of understanding that the “implied task” is essential to winning any engagement. Everyone needs to be familiar with every other element’s task and purpose so the fight can continue in the absence of senior leadership. 23 years military, and never has an obedient robot been what anyone wants.
They want Forrest Gump. Simple, obedient, and a long distance runner.
All ya need is to go back to Roger's Rangers the beginning of the offshoot of dark ops yep 1700s. Move like an Indian and fight like one and learn how to think like one. The modern woke military is doomed by their own stupidity
I did not serve because of a pre-existing condition so there is a lot I don’t know. Is there a logic provided for why they don’t do a realistic fitness test? Part of my personal training is moving across terrain with gear. I’m in the piedmont of NC so we don’t have actual mountains, but the backcountry has tough terrain even without gear.
Did you watch the video? The reason is "because that's what we've always done"
@@mc4906 yes, which is why I ask the question. There was an initial logic for doing it. Surely someone is able to provide a reasoning. Why is there that entrenched attitude? If I’m doing something that isn’t working or I learn something that is more effective, I adapt. I also try to learn as many different options for the same thing as I can. In the case of my work, it’s been different types of ropes course rescues. To be fair, the ones I’ve got the most choices for are ones I have, thankfully, never had to use.
@@mc4906 I could even see an answer of the fitness test being a standard that can be reasonably measured across jobs within the military. A guy who does desk work in logistics is probably not able to ruck everyday with heavy gear. It’s not an excuse for a lack of fitness, but there could be a reasonable answer beyond “that’s the way it’s always been done.”
The thing is, the military CAN teach their members to do this harder workouts safely. They are just overloaded with non combat "additional duties" and admin responsibilities that takes all of their time. Imagine an NFL player also being required to work in the accounting or sales departments, then rate them on those duties instead of their football performance
It is obvious to see where the problem is.
@@WhydoIsuddenlyhaveahandle ok, that is a fair point.
I used to laugh at the load my units 11B's carried compared to the weight i routinely carried every day... a full combat load with an M16 PLUS an 81mm bipod, in addition to sometimes humping a mortar round or two as well.. (i was 11C) i ain't laughing anymore now that I'm old and over stressed joints are failing.
When I was in 3rd recon bn. Fro 2010-2012 we would always go on ruck runs in gear and we never had unit PT but individual PT and we had rubber rifles we were able to use with our kit and we would run around camp schwab in gear for PT
Spotter Up has some interesting things to say on the matter. There are two articles - The Soldier's Ideal Strength and The Soldier's Ideal Speed.
The biggest problem about functional fitness is there’s a thousand meanings behind the phrase. I’ve never considered running 8 miles in booty shorts to be very beneficial for the military. As compared to say doing a mud run type event with kit on. Or training weightlifting and with sandbags like a wrestler.
A lot of military training is a joke,
Especially for guys who want to be in a Ranger batt and what not
I’m still watching the video so I’m not sure what I’m saying will covered. Back in 05 I attended an abbreviated boot camp for AF/Navy coming over to the active duty Army (Blue to Green). It was ran by a national guard unit from New Mexico. Morning PT was often done in the dark, without lights, down washed out gravel/dirt roads. Quite a few of us injured our ankles, knees, or lower backs dropping down hard into holes we didn’t know were there. Those of us who were injured were rehabilitated by doing fireman carries up and down hills until we quit whining, sucked it up, and rejoined the rest of the platoon for regular PT. Both of my subsequent commands carried on the same attitude regarding PT and the rehabilitation injured soldiers. My dark humor always enjoyed watching those NCOs who rode the injured soldier’s asses the most hobbling along like injured rodeo cowboys, like good little PT nazis.
Unfortunatly, the Armys physical fitness standards and test is political. The APFT that was developed late 1970 early 1980s was to make a standard for both men and women. It was also a method to make soldiers appear more athletic and create a more polished asthetic with the than new height and weight standards. With that, it became about points and an easy way to make retention decisions as the Army transitioned from a draftee Army to an all volunteer force, then the reductions up until 9/11/2001. Fast forward to 2014: the ACFT was created to push women into combat arms. When the ACFT was released, it was about soldiers being able to perform the same fitness tasks based on MOS linked fitness standards. However, this did not meet reality, and the ACFT is what it is today. If you are assigned to a Division or are in a BDE like 173rd, all Army fitness training should build a solder up to be able to carry a load and to never quit. If you are in the Acquistions Corps, assigned to a school house or an OCT, then the old APFT should be fine. Guard and reserve should have to maintain an APFT standard and of on active duty transition to an ACFT standard if assigned to most FORSCOM units. With the ACFT being equipment focused, its challenging for most Guard and Reserve soldiers to practice the exercises.
Back to back leg injuries in secondary training messed me up so bad. They ran us excessively with no guidance or treatment than just "dont run for 2 weeks", no altered recovery, nothing just right back to the full weekly routine. Im 27 now and cannot run, cannot ruck unless walking incredibly slow, and generally am in pain 9/10 days a week. Some crusty prior infantry CO wanted all his intel soldiers to be super soldiers and now i cant move....
The “New” standard was designed by”power point” PAID contractors. Easier to Brief.
Good video! Other reason you don't see strength training in the military is the cost of equipment and the amount of space/equipment required to do that. Pull up bars and ropes are cheap and can be scattered all over post. Plenty of pavement and trails to run/ruck.
Unit PT is an absolute joke- prep drills are beyond a joke. I get all of my strength and endurance from the gym on my own time.
I love Mark’s programs, good stuff
In my days in the 80's, pt was done in combat boots and a pack. .When I went back in in 1999 it completely changed and got soft.
What! You want military personnel to break a sweat, how dare you.;)
Great full podcast, but hot damn does Rippetoe need to learn how to let his guests speak.
The problem with the core body strength training program was that it included all the exercises that we threw out due to excessive wear and tear on knees, necks, and spines.
Then we added body armor to pt and accelerated cartlidge degredation.
The funny thing was we had already added armor and rucking to combat skills training...and it worked.
I just want to add this, strength training is a good thing, bulking up not so good, the calisthenics what we called the daily 7, is extremely important it develops agility, mobility and strength, run speed and endurance, rucking strength and endurance. Its all needed, but instead of just rucking you could go with plates and bladder so you can adapt to breathing against resistance. Maybe the military should change to a harness so troops can freely breath.
Why Military service is a joke. FIFY.
a 3 minute plank is the max? LMFAO
I have no military experience, just a curious citizen.
I struggle to understand why, expecially in an heavily mechanized army like US has, you carry such heavy loadouts.
I mean i took a look at what an US soldier carries as combat + sustain loadout, against 3RD world armies and farmers for the most part, i mean, if you add a fry pan and a pillow the average US soldier bring his house on patrole.
Isn't there a way to reduce loadouts weight via better equipment and more situational choices?
You talk about strenght wich is cool but consider also a smaller guy is generally always more agile, require less food and water, gets less injuries and will also last longer in service.
What you think about it?
Because vehicles are mainly used to get to the battlefield. But they're big and obvious, and easily blown up.
You drive or fly to the battlefield, and then get out and sprint around.
@@dafunkmonster i understand the point.
Maybe what i said makes more sense amongst civilians
The army finally added deadlifts and carries.
You should look into Jeff Nichols.
I’ve never been in the military but I stumbled upon this video. I have however been an outdoor guide for most of my professional career. Carrying 80-100 lb packs for 10+ miles per day, going up avalanche chutes, ski-touring in negative double digits at 12,000 feet, hiking or biking miles with climbing gear then climbing up a 2,000 foot rock face, hauling water, and these types of exercise have been the norm for me for most of my adult life. I’m almost 40 now and still hike 10+ miles per day. All that to say: most of the military guys I take out in the backcountry don’t have much experience doing what I considered to be “normal” and struggled to keep up or even do those things. My former Green Beret friend could do it, but aside from that, I’ve had a pretty poor opinion of most military conditioning because of these experiences. Maybe I’m wrong? I can’t claim to understand the realities of combat, that’s for sure. But I do know what it’s like to literally fight for my life against the elements or the mental control it takes to keep it together facing a 100 foot fall while climbing, etc. I think you guys are right, the training needs to be practically based and functional.
Ok, Im old, havent been in fighting shape for more than I wanna admit.
Never served
My take is if you gotta lug 60lbs of shit for 20hrs a day thats strength endurance. If you gotta lug a ruck & 60lbs of shit on patrol you know its gonna suck now & 10yrs from now. Somethin will give.
I say dont rely on the govt to take care of you (USAA, USMC, USN, USAF) Do what you gotta do. Not bashn on you guys but own it. Dont expect them to take care of it. I pay taxes like all of you. Are my needs met? No. I still love my country and my countrymen. But if anyone wants to take that away, bad knees & old body or not Im going out swinging.
Do what you need to do.
Do you have an episode that explains your philosophy on a grunt rifle? I notice you have a reliable reflex sight, magnification, and a backup front sight (no rear). I’m curious what your thoughts are for sighting systems - what’s minimum and what’s a nice to have.
In my military experience, personal fitness is personal fitness, but that doesn't mean it can't help in combat. Most of endurance is about preparation, both physical and mental. If you can push yourself to run 5 miles without stopping, then you have developed both. Lifting weights is the same, but you get different results. You can get injured doing either. That's what the Army does poorly: injury prevention education and preparation. The problem with the Army is that they are catering to the lowest common denominator, thinking that having an Army-wide standard of personal fitness is a non-starter. The reality is that commanders should be responsible for the fitness standards they want their troops to achieve based on their METL and the NCOs should be responsible for getting their troops there. End of story. No scores, no Army-wide metrics, no promotion points. You either complete the task as directed by your commandet or you don't. But officers these days (and NCOs too) don't want to "be the bad guy" telling people they suck because that might make them look bad or they might get a complaint on yelp or whatever and then their career could take a hit. That careerism is what has killed our military.
This won't happen anytime soon (or maybe at all), but the needs of ramping up a major force will require a divergence in physical and mental requirements. The requirements for the attack side compared to the support side are different. Aviation requirements are very different from infantry requirements. The one size fits all PFT is a grossly negative approach, and the US Military will have relearn and reimplement standards, putting us behind requirements. Additionally, being fit and effective in your chosen duty environment does not necessarily mean it's healthy for the individual.
I'm 5'7 130lbs. Best laugh that I ever got was doing a buddy run yeah everyone wanted me until I dragged a 6'4 with gear over my shoulder crying all the way knuckles dragging got him by the leg and the eye of the tiger in me whole company is laughing so loud 😂😂😂I truly miss those days! Fastest runner couldn't hump for shit but made me a pig gunner lol said I be harder to hit lol
Running a lot will fuck up your knees eventually - if in boots or sports shoes. Running in boots with gear will accomplish the job quicker though.
The Army tried to change up the PFT. More people are allegedly passing, but it’s not really testing soldiers full physical fitness. It’s laughable
Went and listened to the whole podcast. Always a joy when like minds find each other in the wilderness. My favorite Rip clip is from Outside The Lines back in ‘07 I think, whenever he divorced himself from CrossFit
There is a great article by strength and conditioning coach Harvey Newton in the February 1998 issue of the Marine Corps Gazette.
I don't know if i am feeling sorry for myself, or just pathetic and weak, or what.
I have been of my dicipline track every day for a week. Not exercising, dieting, getting things done, drinking, watching porn, not praying, ect.
Hah that was a good talk
@GruntProof I am trying to update my membership and I can’t find a link. Can you help?
This is weird because at least in my company we have wide variety of physical exercises including hitting the gym.
I think mark rippletoe has looked exactly the same my entire life
Love to hear and see the men that have given it all a second take and sharing thank you dusty rose😊
Great discussion.
Ex-Navy here. The Navy's PF program is the biggest joke. I was running 6.5-7 mi on my own every other day. I would get reamed out because I barely had enough energy to run a 2-mi run after the shift for division pt. I eventually got ordered to stop self pt or weight training before my shift. And I got fat. I was already fighting the effects of constantly rotating watch schedules.
Did you not know the dates for division pt beforehand?
@mc4906 yeah we did. But all we would do is some push-ups, some situps & a 1.5 mi run AT MOST. And that was scheduled 3-5 days/wk. So yeah I had to run on my own to pick up the slack -until I was ordered to stop running on my own time.
why does america YT hate you?
Never seen a lion do the bend and reach
Rip is a mad genius and SS is a great program!
Yep yep and more yep!
Glad you two finally linked up
good talk, coath!
exaclty
Great conversation guys.
Something to remember about fitness assessments is that they don't have to be gruelling events. They simply provide a clinical gauge of the person's fitness.
As a British soldier, I've yet to meet someone who's good at the 2k but doesn't have consistent endurance when it comes to running.
What about when you put 60-70 pounds plus plates rifle ammo I bet they don't run good then
@Bighitter03 No one runs well with that weight on. Ideally, you shouldn't be running with that weight whatsoever.
Also, a run only tests one component of the fitness required for loaded marches. Their fitness gets tested in other ways as well.
There are loaded march tests which again help to gauge their ability to move with weight on their backs.
@Rascal-of-War it's just confusing when you say someone can run a 2k has good running endurance what I'm saying is running endurance does nothing for you unless you are training to run so if you won't be running with that gear on running is a useless exercise
@Bighitter03 The main point I'm trying to make is that tests over short distances (and in short times) are sometimes more efficient and even reliable when it comes to assessing fitness. Even the MSFT can say a lot about someone's running ability.
The 2k run in relation to running endurance was just an example.
Old crusty soldiers over here all brag about how much harder their three mile run test was back in the day without giving any thought to how fit modern soldiers actually are in spite of this change.
You can lift all the weights you want, thats not the issue, the difference between back then and now is how the load is carried, the vest, plate carriers etc restrict the breathing mote than the old H and Y harness systems, plus the weight of gear to body weight ratio has increased. Typical Army lots of complaints no answers
You could actually listen and hear all kinds of suggestions.
@@GruntProof Your right there were suggestions, The conversation just came across in such a negative tone it struck me wrong. I remember getting out and going thru some negativity myself, Don't let let it rule you.
The golden rule of strength and conditioning is to do in training what you will do in competition, and over time load/progress it. A military way to say this is "train how you want to fight". Consequently, traditional endurance training is not an optimal choice, but neither is 5x5. Both are on opposite ends of the strength and conditioning spectrum. Soldiers need to train in a range between the two extremes. Rucking, all kinds of carrying (heavy, medium, light), loaded circuits, climbing, crawling, obstacles. A soldier is much better off fireman carrying a buddy of similar weight for a mile then running 2 miles for time or deadlifting 315 for 5 sets of 5.
If you can dead lift 315 or more then that fireman’s carry is much easier. These guys talk about that.
They describe the 2 factor model. Train and get as strong as possible then practice/train the actual thing Wether it be a sport or ruck march or fireman’s carries , or combatives or other military training.
Strength helps those things, it doesn’t hinder them.
@@td811 The same argument can be made on the other end of the spectrum. As much as soldiers need strength they also need high aerobic capacity. So now you're working out minimally twice as much. Which is fine if you have the time, I guess? Soldiers don't. But more importantly, the body adapts directly and literally to what you asked it to do. It's very rare that a soldier will just do a single event, strength or endurance, and then get to rest. Consequently, the conventional training model will not yield optimal results for the desired goal. It gets you gets you 60 to 70% there, but it cost you minimally twice the time. Here's a much better deadlift routine for a soldier or anyone who wants to be, both, strong and fit. Bring to a quarter mile track an olympic bar. In the outside lane, so you don't block other folks, do 5 deadlifts. At the top of rep 5 start walking while still carrying the bar. If you make it all the way around w/out putting the bar down you get to go home. The nextine you do the workout you add 5 lbs. You continue progressing in this fashion until you hit the load you must put down before finishing the lap. At this point you leave the bar where it is and run a full lap as fast as you can. Upon returning to the bar you must do 5 more deadlifts before continuing. This pattern is followed as many times is as needed to get to the original starting point. You now stay w/ this weight until you can get it all the way around the track w/out putting it down. When that happens you add 5 lbs. and repeat.
Incrementally loading a very submaximal movement (rucking) does not trigger a strength adaptation.
You can't incrementally load a 5 mile ruck for very long.
You can add 5lbs to your deadlift every week for years.
@@dafunkmonster You obviously weren't in the Infantry. You also don't know what you're talking about as far as training goes. First, a heavy low rep dead has very little carry over for what an infantry soldiers is going to do. But, a heavy ruck is very functional. You absolutely can incrementally load a ruck and you better if you have the time. I recommend a minimum of 100 lbs. You also should carry a pipe or something that weighs 7 to 10 lbs to simulate your rifle. You also should build up to at least 10 miles at a fast pace. A deadlift workout that would make sense for a soldier is: bring a bar and enough weight for a challenging 10 rep set to a track. Set-up. Do 10 reps of the dl. At the top of rep 10 start walking. If you have to put the bar down before completing a full lap you must run a full lap fast and do 10 more reps before you can start walking again. Goal repeating this process get the bar a full lap around the track. If you are able to get the bar around the track w/out putting it down add weight.
Hurting your back on deadlift makes you an idiot? Then literally every person I know that's ever done. A deadlift is an idiot. Besides, squatting, is probably the single most likely exercise to get you injured.
Ok, so maybe our military made some mistakes. But its getting a little annoying hearing about it guys. In all honesty.
I'm sure you'd hear less about it if the military actually LEARNED FROM ITS MISTAKES...
It the retard "commanders" would quit creating problems to fix the solutions and be useful for a change.
I did basic at Ft. Leonard Wood in 1989 and we basically did a ton of Pilates while calling it other names like "the front leaning rest position, flutter kicks, hello dollies, leg lifts, heel lifts" I eventually figured out years later we had been doing crazy intense yoga that whole time! We also marched everywhere for 13 weeks. When I left basic I could hike 3-5 miles like it was nothing. I think the military needs to more deeply consider the food it serves to soldiers (a lot of carbs and starches in my day) as well as easy access to cheaper booze and tobacco at the class 6 all kind of adds up to a recipe for difficulty maintaining fitness and health. Lastly, the military simply wants fighting men to have with them and carry entirely too much equipment to be truly combat effective. I think bringing less crap would be a great start and we now live in an era where a drone could bring in mission critical equipment very quickly facilitating a lighter load out. Great conversation in this video. 🫡👍