Did the MASH Cast Really HATE Larry Linville?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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Linville was so great in this show. The fact that all you hear about Larry is glowing praise of him and his personality. To play Frank Burns that well is a true credit to Larry.
Yep,Larry Linville was the STAR of the show.Never the same without him.
Always remember a classic scene -
Frank ; "Margaret,why doesn't anyone like me".
Margaret ; ( lost for words,fidgety) hesitates,looks around for a way out of answering....
How about the water filled foxhole? 😂😂😂😂
@@georgegarvey7338 oh,yeah,brilliant scene.
NB,not about Burns, but Colonel Flagg and ' the wind" scene?
Frank,ofc,idolised him;)))
@@richardscanlan3419 Lol.
@@georgegarvey7338 AIR RAID!!!!!
Larry Linville helped to make that series a huge success. I cannot imagine MASH without him.
I was fortunate enough to attend a speaking performance by Larry Linville when he visited my college way back in the late 80's. He discussed his career as an actor and his time on MASH. He seems so kind and genuine which was the opposite of his character. He spoke very highly of his colleagues on MASH, especially Gary Burghoff. He seemed to have a special fondness for him. I'm glad to hear from your video that he was a likable man in real life.
Thanks for sharing your experience!
I hear that Burghoff was the one that everyone really didn't get along well with. Maybe it was different with Linville.
Through his own admission, he left MASH because he took the character as far as he could and had nothing else to offer.
He also fulfilled his five-year contract. He did not want to cause any ripples like McClean Stevenson or Wayne Rogers. Extremely professional actor.
Bad move! He did very little of interest after. When actors get on a hit show they should get all they can out of it. Nothing is guaranteed after the show ends.
@@JonBlier No doubt about that. McClean Stevenson was proof of that. Actors, particularly passionate ones, never seem to take that into account.
@@JonBlier yeah unfortunately he ended up on game shows and Love Boat guest roles. But we’ll always remember Larry Linville in MASH.
If so, it was a wise move. MASH would jump the shark a few years later. It was no longer funny and became preachy and tiresome and way too much focus on Hawkeye.
In a word "No", the cast absolutely loved Larry and they all said he was one of the nicest people you'd ever meet!
Thank you for saving me 9:25 of my life.
Yep, that's the answer I was looking for. 👍
My favorite Linville/Burns moment is in the 7th season. It's after Margaret tells everyone about her engagement. Frank takes it hard and Margaret seems to enjoy rubbing it in a bit. At the end, Hawkeye, BJ and Frank are eating in the mess hall, she comes in and sits next to them and starts up again. Frank makes an age joke aimed in Margaret's direction, she leaves and the three guys share a genuine laugh with each other. That would have been the perfect moment to build on in making Frank more of a friend and less of a villain. Sadly, that did not happen.
Those were one of the few moments I had empathy for Frank. Having said that Margaret wanted to be his wife for the longest time. Frank was never going to leave his wife for her. It wasn’t so much he loved his wife as he didn’t want to pay alimony . Frank also needed to keep the image of a perfect solder, doctor, and family man.
Frank only appeared in seasons one through five.
@@PatrickLigocki You're absolutely correct. My mistake.☮
I remember that scene and it was great! The actors sounded as if they were genuinely laughing, and it was a great line!
season 5 I believe. Radar left after season 7 There was a couple of episodes when Burns BEGGED Bj and Hawkeye to like him and they just doubled down on their sarchasm.
I talked to Loretta Swit several years ago and she said Larry was a sweet man who agreed with her decision to end the relationship between Hot Lips and Frank. They both agreed it had gone on for as long as it could and Larry was already looking ahead to his eventual departure at that point.
RIP Donald Sutherland
😢
😔.. great actor
The original Hawkeye Pierce. 😢
The sad thing was that Linville did his role so well that the producers wouldn’t allow him any character growth so he became unhappy. A shame his career didn’t go better after he left the show.
always wondered about that
"Frank Burns eats worms."😂
The episode where Frank was sleeping in The Swamp and the guys put dog food in his ears. 😆
Made a t-shirt with that, buds loved it.
When an actor plays someone And you hate them for no apparent reason they have done an outstanding job acting later in life I come to find out Larry was a really cool guy And very respectful to his fans.
I near my 70th birthday, I realize now how young 60 years old is and how he died so young.
😞
Me too.
My sister, who had a talent agency in the 1990s, was Larry Linville's agent for the latter part of his career, and I got to meet him as a result. He was never less than totally open, friendly and appreciative of his fans, which I count myself as one as a huge M*A*S*H fan. He couldn't have been further from the petulant, prissy characters he was somewhat doomed to play due his completely convincing portrayal of Frank Burns.
Thank you so much for sharing! It's great to have another person who met him corroborate the type of person that he was.
Frank "you, you...". Hawkeye "who are you calling at you you?"
Him and trapper John were my favorites. Trapper John was wealthy enough due to stock market he didn’t have to work. Larry Linville was a great actor.
Rogers did some very smart investing after MASH. Lots of real estate too.
@@Boomhower89 Funny, on the way to coast here in California we would drive by his orchards, grape orchards
Linville was great on Mannix. I like the chemistry between Burns and the two commanders, Blake and Potter.
I will have to keep my eye out. Unfortunately Mannix comes on HOURS after I am in bed. I do watch it sometimes when I can't sleep.
I thought the funniest episode Larry did was when Hawkeye filled Burn's foxhole with water & had Sidney yell: AIR RAID, AIR RAID!!! And he fell in the water filled foxhole.
Frank Burns was a character against type. Larry was known for playing intellectual characters: scientists and the like. Frank was overly emotional, rather dim despot. Larry Linville had never played that type of character nor shared many real life traits with that character. He was rather sweet and easy going. It shows how good of an actor he was.
Well said.
MASH was appointment viewing in my house from when it premiered when I was in elementary school to the final episode when I was in high school. The show was one of many factors that led me to decide to pursue a career as a physician after 7th grade. Part of my bedside manner as a pediatrician borrowed some from the character of Hawkeye, as I often used humor to help alleviate fear in children and anxiety in parents.
Thanks for sharing! I bet you are a great pediatrician. 🙂
Really great that you found that IBM ad to summarize this video!
Glad you enjoyed it!
I’m in the process of rewatching the series in order. Larry Linville was an amazing part of the cast that definitely made the show what it is. An incredible and unforgettable key part of television history.
Larry Lindeville was on the record that there was something dark at the heart of Frank Burns's character.
I use to love when Burns would state that what the patient needed was a great surgeon (meaning himself) and Blake would always get Hawkeye to do it. Then Burns would go crying to Hot Lips. Absolute comedic genius!
"Can I be ernest with you guys?" ..."We were hoping you'd be frank with us Frank."
Frank Burns problem was the character did not grow. Everyone else in the show evolved to a more liberal type of person, not Frank Burns.
Agreed.
This is why I didn't blame Linville for leaving the show after Season 5. He knew that his character had gone as far as it could.
The only story I have of Larry Linville was when he was guest speaking at my older sister's college. She attended the event. Afterwards she literally walked into him at the college gift shop. So she asked for his autograph. He asked her what she wanted written. She replied "...Frank Burns eats worms". Larry laughed and chuckled the whole time.
That is a great story! Thanks for sharing, Chris. 🙂
Easily, EASILY one of the greatest shows in the history of Television. ❤
Larry did an incredible job on MASH. His acting as Frank is fantastic. Also RIP Donald Sutherland, the original actor to play Hawkeye Pierce.
Thanks for sharing, Jared! And yes, RIP to Donald Sutherland. 😢
Even as a kid I thought Frank Burns was too much of a one note character.
After the first few years the writers could have gave him more than the one dimension he was stuck with
Married 5 times and yet spent the last 20 years of his life unmarried. What does that mean ? Absolutely nothing just something I know about him.
After 5 why bother !
If they gave Burns ANY redeeming qualities then he might have stuck around. The show really has stood the test of time. Still holds up.
Linville was an actors actor. Loved him deeply! What talent!
From all accounts, Larry Lucille was, not only nothing like his character, but was actually pretty much a favorite among his castmates.
Hey Dave:
Is this presentation a reupload? I seem to remember parts of this presentation... Is my memory deceiving me? The title seems familiar and a couple other segments.
As always quite an enjoyable & informative presentation!
Nope. All new. My brother has made a couple of videos about Larry over the years, so maybe you’re thinking about one of those.
I grew up in the 70’s and watched MASH behind my parents back. It was not until reruns were played after the 10 o’clock news my mother started watching the show. I came into her office one night and started to spoiling the show for her. She asked me how I watched it and it was on the small tv in to basement. After that was a family we would watch the new episodes of the show in prime time. I was 13 at the time. MASH was a great show.
It's funny you mention that. I was not allowed to watch MASH during the first few years of its prime time run either.
Swamprat (can't remember if Hawkeye or BJ) to Margaret: "Well, Frank Burns was no Donald Penobscott!" Margaret: "In some ways, Donald Penobscott was no Frank Burns." SHOCKER!! then they both demanded to know what she was talking about and she refuses to elaborate. I LOVE that scene!
Mash was one my favorites in the 80’s! 👍
Mine too. And the 90s, 00s, 10s...and beyond!
Love that ad at the end. Well done.
So glad you enjoyed it. 🙂
This was my favorite show as a kid. Larry Linville and Frank were a great part of the early seasons. No flies on David Ogden Stiers who I also adore and admire.
There ere so many great episodes with Frank Burns. I always liked the episode, Dear Sigmund, when BJ fills Frank's foxhole with water and Sidney Freeman shouts air raid.
That was interesting about Larry being so nice. Some people on shows were about the same as their characters. I understand Cloris Leachman was somewhat like her Phyllis Lindstrom character on Mary Tyler Moore. That was not good since Phyllis was self-centered.
Very cool IBM commercial at the end featuring many of the MASH cast!
Glad you liked it!
My favorite scene is after Frank and Hot Lips split up. They are all sitting in the mess tent, and Frank asks Hawkeye about going on a double date. He tells them which nurse he wants to go out with, and Margaret asks if she is not too young for Burns. He replies that a little youth might be nice for a change, and she indignantly leaves. Meanwhile, Frank is laughing behind his cup of coffee. My favorite actor on the show. RIP Larry.
This series is awesome! I appreciate the attention to detail and thorough research. The series is both informative and entertaining.
Thank you!
Many people complain about the later years of the show and how 'serious' it got (personally I preferred this era) but oddly enough during this time the characters were given more depth and nuance. Trapper was pretty much a Hawkeye clone, and yes, Frank was a virtual cartoon most of the time. By contrast, B.J. had his own character niche and Charles was allowed to be three dimensional. I'd always heard good things about Larry Linville; it seems like most of the real fictional villains are played by really nice folks in real life. Thanks for a cool video Dave!
Thanks for sharing your perspective. I'm so glad you enjoyed the video!
Oh gosh, I'm crying over the IBM reunion. Thanks for that! I'm a sentimental sap. ❤
I'm so glad you enjoyed it. 🙂
MASH was not the same once Frank Burns left. He was a classic.
Yes, agree entirely. Frank was my favourite.
My favorite Major Burns quote...paraphrasing...."As i see it..unless we each conform..and follow our leaders blindly ..there's no possible way we can remain free!"......Linville was the ONLY actor who have taken such a cartoonish, buffoonish character like Major Burns and found ways to actually humanize this guy...even...occasionally...root for and feel empathy for...of course just as he was gettin' you in the feels...he would manage to kill it off quick before it took hold....😜....brilliant, brilliant work...
From what I recall the character Frank Burns was a cynical, humourless, uptight individual who took himself too seriously and was going to snap, mentally speaking one day.
In a way I can see why Larry left MASH. His character was way too one dimensional, and I don't think the character would have adapted to the change of the show's direction. I have many fond memories of Larry being on that show, but to me his worst episode was when Nurse Crabby brought the kids in a Frank spent most of the time trying to get to get his purple heart back.
They did Larry wrong. After so many years they tried the last few episodes to humanize him. But he played a one dimensional character. There was nothing left for him to do after they made margerate likable.
M*A*S*H is my favorite all time show. ALL the cast were perfect. I've read most cast members got along but some had occasional bickering. Dave your almost at 150K subscribers! I joined WAAAYYYY back! 👍
Thanks for sharing...and thank you for hanging out with me through the years!
There are two Frank Burns scenes i really enjoy. Number 1 was after Margaret had broken his heart and he mentions the new nurse to which Margaret says she's a little young for you and Frank zings her with him saying he might need a little youth. Number 2 is just hilarious to me when he tell Radar his anecdote story about the neighborhood child in the wheelchair. Oh his family had money.
Thanks for sharing!
Ken Osmond & Larry Linville. Two very underpreciated actors in my opinion. When you play a part that well it's bound to happen.
Good point!
My cousin, Jason, walked me from his house to the M*A*S*H set.
Wow! I didn't realize that there were homes so close!
@@jdsundstrom It's not like a neighborhood. It's in the country.
I never saw the IBM commercial before, that was great!
Glad you liked it!
That was SO COOL to see WAYNE RODGERS back with the OLD gang! Only two missing were Jamie Farr and Alan Alda. I guess their britches were too big...
Why I can understand why some of the actors wanted to move on, there is something about earning a weekly paycheck from the networks at that time. You can always go for passion projects when MASH production was down.
I met Larry Linville in Vancouver Canada in the home of my brother, who was an irrepressible celebrity attractant and all-round charismatic guy. Larry was drunk on the floor.
The stereotyping he received from playing Frank Burns was a gorilla on his shoulders.
Very nice, humble guy once he sobered up.....
I got tired of Frank Burns being such an easy foil. It was like shooting fish in a barrel. At least Winchester was a more worthy opponent, who could give as well as he got. For that reason, he was a more interesting character.
Plus, the character of Charles was allowed to grow as a human being -- initially a bigot incensed at his sister's betrothal to an "Italian," but later helping ensnare a bigoted commander who removing black soldiers from his unit by endangering their lives so they'd point out and go home.
He was my father favorite actor..
Franks birthday episode was the funnier than most were. Alda however drove me crazy sometimes with his domination of all.
Larry Linville was once related to an actor on The Waltons. He was married to Will Geer's daughter.
Yep. 1 of 5 marriages.
Years ago, I attended a lecture by Larry Linville. I came away thinking he was intelligent and generous. A very likable guy.
I saw an interview wit Larry once in which he said, very plainly, that he left the show because he felt he had done all he could with the character. They asked him about the idea of expanding and humanizing Frank as had been done with Margaret and, later, Charles, and he responded, "Well, what do you want me to do, become Alan Alda?"
For myself, I have always conceived of them taking a page from the book. In the book, it is established that Frank never went through a proper residency. Instead, he sort of apprenticed under his father, thus his education was somewhat truncated. So, I imagine a scene in which Frank's patient is in trouble, he doesn't know what to do and is more worried how this will reflect on him than with the welfare of the patient. Hawkeye and BJ are hassling him as much as trying to help.
"Frank, did you try A?"
"Of course I tried A"
"Well, did you try B?"
"Of course I did B, Mr. Smartypants. Everyone knows B is the next thing to do."
"Well, what about C?"
"C? No, I never thought of C."
"Well, Frank, why not? That's the obvious next thing to try. Why didn't you do C?"
"Because nobody ever taught me C! Where did you learn about C? Who the hell taught you this stuff!?!"
After Frank's outburst, it comes out that his surgical education is foreshortened because his father had made him skip residency. After that, it becomes easier for Frank to ask for help and for the other doctors to give it instead of criticism, and the character can grow.
Thanks for sharing!
Wasn’t there an episode where Burns, Hoolihah, and Colonel Flagg (CID) were interacting together? I don’t remember the specifics other than it was highly amusing how under suspicion everyone else became.
S4E10: Quo Vadis, Captain Chandler?
That IBM commercial is ironic. It advertises an IBM PC--the PS/2--that wasn't IBM-compatible! It flopped big-time. It took Microsoft with Windows to finally advance the PC and to keep up with Apple.
A temporarily blinded Hawkeye: “I need a doctor! I need a doctor here!”
Frank runs up: “What’s going on here?”
Hawkeye responds “Frank! Thank God you’re here. Go get me a doctor”
Funny as hell.
Yep. Classic MASH moment. 🙂
Another favorite of mine was when Potter was dressing the boys down for messing with Frank all the time. Potter says “what about that time you gave him a chocolate covered lizard?” Hawkeye responds “It was Easter”
What should have consoled him was he had hot lips. Of course things with them fell apart when he refused to divorce his wife, I think from fear of having to pay alimony which is interesting in light of his real life payments!
I think remembering an interview with Larry, he kind of hinted the reason he left was because he could only take Frank Burns character so far. Before he left, the writers made him a totally blithering idiot. He kind of lost that charm you speak of by the end and you know I can't blame him for leaving. He wasn't that dumb in the beginning, annoying more than anything. But I do love one episode where he was in charge and restricted alchohol. Of course this caused tempers to flare from Hawk Eye and Trapper. They were even fighting amoungst each other. Once they realized this, they were even questioning if Frank was right and they had a drinking problem to cope with their war surroundings. In this case maybe Frank was right. Episodes like that were great, but Frank just got worse and worse in the brain and ego department as the show went on. One more season of Frank would have been nice to see how he coped with Margret's marriage, but I think Larry was right, Frank as a character was getting stiffer and I think it was time for him to leave.
For me it was harder to lose Mclean and Wayne than it was Frank. Trapper John was my favorite character, I thought they should hve given him just as much screen time as Alan. To me after Frank left it became more not M*AS*H* but the Alan Alda show. That's where the charm of M*A*S*H* left for me.
Good stuff! Thanks so much for sharing. 🙂
I recognised him appearing a couple of times in Mission Impossible.
I remember seeing Larry in an episode of the short-lived "Search" in the early 70s.
Frank Burns ws, by far, my favorite character for those 5 years he was on part of the show. I was so bummed when he left and was sad to see he was never able to repeat the success he had on MASH. What a great character (if not necessarily a surgeon☺).
Frank Burns was NOT as bad a surgeon as he was made out to be by Trapper and Hawkeye. There were times (few) where his work WAS praised. I watched an episode where Col. Blake introduced Maj. Burns as one of the 4077th's BEST surgeons (Trapper and Hawkeye weren't around)
Once Frank ,Trapper and Henry left it was all over,Allan Alda was unbearable.
You tell'em ferrite face. Great actor!
That was a great story. Nice job. I really enjoyed myself.
Frank Burns was a good and very funny character, but I could never believe such a bumbling boob could actually be a surgeon, or that such a beautiful and capable/competent Houlihan would have anything to do with him. It would have been great to be able to see Linville show more of his range outside of Frank Burns.
To play that character sooo well, Frank Burns…. Larry Linville HAD to be a great actor. The First Three seasons were the golden age of the Mash series. He and Loretta Swit were great together. Larry Gelbart, Gene Renolds, Lawrence Marks. I once heard Larry Linville talk about his alcoholism. He died waaay too young.
Alan Alda was more uptight and self righteous than Frank Burns could ever hope to have been. He guest starred on Carol Burnett Christmas episode, and he was really dismissive during the audience Q&A.
I was in a dinner theatre play in Regina in the early 90's and Larry Linville was in the next play and man he could drink ......he was always buying rounds for me and my girlfriend and was a really nice guy with no big ego who said he really wanted to do American Buffalo
Hah, great IBM commercial! I don't remember it - not sure how I missed it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Actors who regularly play unlikeable characters are usually the most affable people on set.
Larry was by far my favorite on MASH! Show lost a lot the day he left
Totally agree. The show suffered from his absence.
Nice video about a good actor & usually fun character!
1:53 - I think this is from when Frank said goodbye to Margaret as she left for her honeymoon.
4:53 - I've read that MASH producers DID want to "humanize" Frank, but Linville didn't want that, maybe because he thought Frank was irredeemable.
5:03 - Charles is my favorite character from the show, and unlike Frank, at times he would join in the fun w/ Hawkeye, B.J., Margaret & the rest, which Frank never got to do.
5:43 - This picture is from GRANDPA GOES TO WASHINGTON, which had him playing Major Gen. Kevin Kelley, son of an appointed U.S. Senator played by Jack Albertson, who according to TV GUIDE's Fall Preview referred to him as "My son, the fathead".
7:57 - I remember seeing this commercial on Thurs., Apr. 2, 1987 during THE COSBY SHOW, which is probably the commercial's debut, and it led to several other IBM commercials. Alan Alda appeared in a different commercial by himself, and Jamie Farr & Kellye Nakahara appeared in other commercials in the series.
Thanks for sharing. I think you might be the first person to mention anything about "Grandpa Goes to Washington". I had high hopes for that show. 🙂
@@jdsundstrom It was in the NBC Tuesday night death slot, against HAPPY DAYS and LAVERNE & SHIRLEY, so it didn't have a chance. My only memory of the show other than the Fall Preview was a promo for an episode involving a crooked land developer. Conrad Bain played the part in his brief hiatus between MAUDE and DIFF'RENT STROKES. I wasn't able to watch any of these shows at the time, as my Boy Scout Troop had its weekly meetings at 7PM CT Tuesday nights. :(
I liked MASH. But I really enjoyed the cast after they replaced a few characters. I really do not like drama and Frank Burns was always drama. I also hate how loud and how often the laugh track was used during the first half of MASH
The problems with the characters on the show was that they were either all good or all bad There wasn't a lot of complexity.
Frank Burns was written as a bad person (from Hawkeye's perspective), a bad husband, a bad doctor, a bad lover, etc. It got tiresome to see him fail repeatedly. It didn't make sense. Good villains have some positive aspects, some good ideas.
Ogden Stiers was a better character because unlike Frank, he was actually a superior doctor. He may have been a bore but he was the best doctor there and not an alcoholic like Hawkeye (although alcoholism was not looked down upon in the 50s-70s and not in wartime.)
The only character that was allowed some development was Hawkeye and that was over 11 years.
Thanks for sharing!
An interactive MASH set, for people to visit, could be popular
Agreed!
I always loved the over-the-top patriotism of Frank Burns.
Annoying and misguided, but I liked that aspect of the character. And you knew that back in Fort Wayne, his overbearing, henpicking wife was secretly hoping that the "police action" in Korea would never end. 🤣
I totally agree that the writers/producers could have/should have fleshed out the Frank Burns character more. Every so often there would be a hint that his character was going to evolve - only to have him regress to being even more of a weasel the next episode.
I love/hate this, at this point in history who doesn't know that Larry was a great man.
Surprisingly, lots of folks still think Larry was similar to the character he played on MASH.
Surprising that he died at the early age of sixty. RIP. He looked much older than his years in the picture shown at 6:30.
I guess after going through five divorces and battling cancer, you would look older too!
I did enjoy few episodes where Maj. Burns was the hero of the show. One I hated was when Hawkeye needed a new pair of boots and in the trading Margaret told Hawkeye and Trapper to throw a birthday party for him and "be nice". Then, they mention ALL of the despicable things they routinely did to him like putting oatmeal in his slippers...I REALLY felt sorry for the Maj. Burns character esp. when it all fell apart. Later, seeing it in rerun I consider it an overboard gratuitous assault on the Frank Burns character . I didn't blame Larry Linville for leaving. He was the most TALENTED actor on the show! It would NOT have been the success from the beginning w/o the stellar acting of Larry.
Thanks for sharing, Donald!
Frank told Radar. i didn't come here to be liked. And Radar said.Well you came to the right place.
AIR RAID! AIR RAID!
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I always felt sorry for Larry Linville the last year he was on the show making him the only nemisis to Hawkeye and everyone else alone and the butt of most jokes. I don't blame him for leaving.
They had a chance to make Burns a likeable charactor but didn't in Margret's Engagement but took a pass. watch the final scene of this episode to refresh your memory if necessary,
I watched M*A*S*H since I was young,...at first I did not like the characters of Burns and Hot Lips...but after a while...I started to see the vulnerability of Frank...he always wanted to do what he was taught as right, but the two buffoons of Hawkeye and Pierce always tortured him...I soon had empathy for him...even when he showed arrogance...I saw it as a defense tool against the bullying that the buffoons would give him...he was enlisted, they were drafted, so they rebelled against everything the Army stood for...yes, the buffoons were good doctors, but they treated Burns with no respect or understanding...After the Burns character left the show, the only antagonist left was Hot Lips...but later, she became loved...which I thought was unfair the the Burns character...If he had stayed, would he be as loved?...probably not...he was doomed to failure...which is sad...we have all known people like him, but never tried to understand them...
Thanks for sharing!
What about his Lt. Kramer role on Mannix?
Another great role!
Thanks again for another great review.
My pleasure!
You see this often. Someone plays horrible characters and yet they turn out to be legit 100% great people you'd want to have a couple beers with at the end of the day. Larry Linville is one such example.