I think jype also played a big role in how things turned out to be because they weren’t clear on the nature of the things that were said or they didn’t deny the fabricated things that were circulating online and, most importantly, they never took any legal action against those spreading misinformation as well as, to this day, they have never taken any action against those cyberbullying him over things that aren’t even true.. this lack of action from them has enabled the spread of wild and disgusting theories that antis use to accuse him of much worse things than what happened, and also they use this lack of action from jype as them basically confirming that hj did those horrible things. The company never protected him as they should have and just made him write a vague apology letter that is now also being used against hj as him confirming whatever wild theories they have fabricated, it’s just a mess that will never stop because the company will just let it happen without taking legal action, even tho they repeatedly said they will and the fans keep sending them emails of the disgusting things antis spread around.
This! Many ppl don't understand that one of the biggest problems with this is that companies don't usually take adequate measures. So they are harming the accused idols. And kpopers from 4gen at that time, many were new to this industry and didn't knew about how things works in kpop, that's made everything wost. I have been following K-pop for more than 10 years and I have seen cases of serious accusations towards other idols of which they were innocent, but by the time this was known the damage had already been done. So at least JYPE didn't kick Hyunjin out like other companies have done with their idols. But I am one of those fans who do complain about the company for certain reasons, just like I have been complaining for years about many Kpop companies for not changing and remaining stuck with the same attitude regarding these types of issues. Like, the reality is that the ones who usually accuse idols are ppl who want some attention or bc they are fans of other groups and want to get rid of the competition. That's why making idols ready to ask for forgiveness is counterproductive, simply with this they are implying that they 'accept the accusations'. And what I hate the most is how even today Kpopers play dumb about this reality.
Fr. Particularly for this one, we can say that there wasn't enough evidence so they couldn't prove anything. It was Hyunjin who stepped up and took responsibility. All jyp did was to release statements like we're investigating, Hyunjin won't take part in group's Activities, Hyunjin met the accusers, Hyunjin is going on hiatus. What did Jyp do to protect it's artist?
It's crazy to me how Asian culture has a way of blindly condemning someone as guilty or blindly supporting someone's innocence without any form of proof on either side just because of their professional accomplishments or failures.
TBH,The company’s inaction is not due to unwillingness but because they are unable to act. Keeping the issue low-profile is already a rare stroke of luck for the company. If they were to counter-attack criticisms through legal means, it would only bring the topic back into public discussion, which would be detrimental to both the company and the idol, since they are not actually standing on the side of truth. Many people may not realize how adamant the company was in protecting this idol initially. They were never weak; they admitted to the wrongdoing only because there was an overwhelming amount of evidence and whistleblowers, leaving them unable to suppress it. Some people are completely unaware of just how lucky their idol is and believe they are spotless, when in reality, it is simply the result of capital-driven manipulation. Peace.
I love your videos because you debunk the topics and make it so much easier for people to understand but the fact that 80% of what happened was caused by the fans is disgusting and disturbing the fans didn’t even have to get themselves involved it’s honestly horrible I love your vids bcs I wasn’t a Stan at the time it happened so I can understand what happened more tysm!
@@kpop_kdrama_addict You make things a 100 times easier to understand, It’s a fact of life. I love ur vids and watch ur videos whenever they get posted. Love you
no he bullied. he made a apology letter in korean language. when he was a teen he invited a girl to a group chat with his friend and he told the girl "ur mom is a s**t" and ect.
Thank you for talking about this, I still meet STAYs who believe the accusations were lies against him. I remember this situation made me very anxious, I was on the neutral side (I am Hyunjin bias) but I was so worried for him, also I do not believe the allegations against him make him a bad person, he was young and should have been punished at the time but now? He has changed and grow, even before all of this, he talked about how he was embarrassed about how he used to act when he was younger. The way he handled the situation make me love him and respect him even more, like you mentioned the way he take all in, not denying anything, facing it and personally apologizing. The people who to this day hate him for this are just that, haters or very young people in my opinion (maybe in the age he had when this happen so they might take it personal), also I believe is important for STAYs to accept this happened.
Honestly I don't think people hate him for that. It's just an excuse either because they think he overshadows others, or because he has a strong personality, or out of jealousy...Many idols have haters and the majority have never been accused of anything. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it.
@@Xela20jWas this a one sided bullying shit? People who were actually bullied should be the ones knowing what it really means and not let some two sided fight between 12 year olds be labelled as bullying. So it's more ironic if they are the ones who fail to understand!
Love this thank you and I'd love to see how he's grown none of us were perfect when we were 12 or 13 and if the people who were affected forgive him turn all that matters
One thing I want to thank you for is for saying that defending our favorite from toxic antis is making things worse. I have been experiencing it for almost 2 or 3 years now. I now realize why I am so stressed. From now on I will only supporting my fave and quietly waiting to see what will happen next and wait for his solo debut.
Now when I see hate stuff especially on insta, which already has over a 100 or 200 replies, I just report it and move on. There's no point in joining the war there cuz no one's gonna read each of that. That's just like wasting your energy
the thing is, why did she want an apology when he became an idol? that proves the kind of person she is. she wants to bring everyone down and i don't doubt she was a bad person in school too.
When i fought at school, i got detention and school related punishments. It would be weird to then be punished again if my adulthood for childish behaviour. Especially as the fights were between 2 people. Hyunjin being 'shamed' as an adult for kids actions IS actual bullying.
the problem with this whole issue with fans is, stays aren’t wrong when they defend hj from the bullying allegations. because from the info from this video, there was no “bullying” like they claimed, so he’s innocent in the sense that he wasn’t bullying but he still did hurt the ppl he was feuding with. it was a two sided hostility as mentioned meaning both sides exchanged harsh words and were in the wrong.i respect hj for apologizing and accepting his mistakes. he’s really matured to become an amazing human being
With the word bullying, you can put a lot of things under it so it's very difficult to say whether he did it or not and some Stay defend him without even knowing what it is. What bothers me is that there are still a lot of assumptions and some based on memories of teachers who at the time did nothing and/or also minimized what was happening. What is certain is that at the time of the investigation, it must have been a difficult time for everyone and also caused enormous concern for the Stray Kids group.
@@Secotine88 There’s a difference between bullying and two conflicting parties not seeing eye to eye. I read up and followed his case when everything was happening and based on the facts that came out, the accusers themselves were not completely innocent hence imo i wouldn’t term it as bullying. Everyone’s memories on what happened back then didn’t add up or was completely different but what was common was that hj and the accusers weren’t on good terms and there was some kind of fued going on. People are free to interpret it however they want though, i’m just glad hj apologized and worked things out. And yeah some stays are ignorant of the whole issue and just make it worse when they try to defend him.
@@ravenblue4461 I have found no trace of official statements from either party on what really happened (which is not really surprising). I have read certain accusations and the arguments of one of his classmates who defended him, but in these cases it is always difficult to sort things out because nothing is completely black or white. In the end, I'm only sure of the outcome. These stories are always complicated.
*Rant alert* cuz even if it was a long time ago I got emotional watching this and realizing more how disgustingly unfair it was towards Hyunjin. Arguments start from both sides. Did the ones who misbehaved with Hyunjin said sorry to him?? Just because a 13year old later grew up to be successful, now you want an apology from him only? Judging the school environment definitely there were people who also should be saying sorry to each other if you can't get over arguments from your school days. They're complaining like they are saints who never said a wrong word in their life??? And the people judging all over the internet do you even freakin know what actual bullying is? Absolutely not. Fights, arguments, having bad blood are two sided problems. Not a one sided act like bullying. I am so proud of him facing this with such courage. The amount of self hatred he went through after this was visible (that's why i got so emotional watching this). I'm so happy to see him being able to love himself again and how he is able to focus on all the love we give him and not give a damn about bullshit antis. He got everything he ever deserved and worked for!
Seriously though, I've experienced it (call it whatever you want bullying or 2-way hostility, but basically just dramatic conflicts between kids) in middle school, but that does not mean I will go online and tell my story to strangers in hopes of wrecking them in the future if they become successful. Of course, I'm not sure if the situation was more dire than mine because she claims to have used medication, but to some extent, mine also took a huge toll on me. I honestly don't really understand what the logic behind that was, why would you go expose your pain to the world and relive it just to cause him harm? I feel like there's something more here? sorry if what I said was insensitive and victim blaming in any way, not my intention
@@Clmc_88 The answer to "why" a lot of times lies in our inability to understand how some people can be so contemptuous because we ourselves are not and think that is normal. People who've known about the kpop industry for a long time knows that such contempt, jealousy, hatred are not that uncommon in Korea and using social media for that is also infact quite common
Sorry but based on the victims testimony.. They are parts where hyunjin is the one who started the fight. Look I get it both have their own roles in this but people like you are basically low key painting the victims as the one who exaggerated the situation when in actuality it is not. Please refrain from trying to downplay the severity of this issue towards the victims. They are all trying to bypass that but they have no choice but to relive the memories when they saw hyunjin on big TV screen one fine day. Hyunjin is most certainly guilty he was being a complete brat. But I'm glad he has changed now or I hope he truly does change into a better person and surely hope he has mature. 😅
@@yummymellon4058but the thing is he was? Didn’t he go to an all boys school in middle school? And let’s keep that aside bc that’s still confusing among stays but even his teachers and classmates defended him. Well of course, I think everyone here believes in him exactly because of the misinformation that was spread at the time. Even before I became a stay, I never fully believed any bullying rumours from anyone bc kpop is famous for having hundreds of fake bullying allegations. We don’t know if he’s started the fight. Then you’re putting the blame on him. From what we know, even if that “bullying” was real, they both said hurtful things to each other. I’m pretty sure anyone who’s lived through that age would look at it and say “oh! I did say some crazy shit then but I can’t imagine being like that now”. It’s often just about arguing at that age. You’re looking at the victim’s testimony when it was proven to be exaggerated. I get your point which would be valid usually but it seems like you’d rather believe Hyunjin was a bully than not even when presented with evidence. And how do you call him a brat when the other person also did the same? Like- it doesn’t make sense to me. You’re siding with the apparent victim, that even those around Hyunjin and witnessed their interactions proved to be just a toxic argument from both sides. This isn’t saying he isn’t wrong bc he did say hurtful things even though he was young. But he owned up to it even much later. What I’m questioning is how you just reduced him to being the only person who was in the wrong and is defending the person who clearly did exaggerate it. An argument between two that results in hostility is not bullying. There’s a reason why the victims testimony was refuted and it’s straight up disrespectful towards Hyunjin
@@yummymellon4058umm no they started several of the incidents too. It’s very clear that you’re being biased and considering they were being bratty too he wasn’t completely guilty like you said. Stop trying to paint these kids out as some type of victims. Instigators aren’t victims, they’re just as much of the problem as he was. They have trauma from seeing his face on TV? Boo hoo, they caused their own trauma.
These FANS needed their 15 minutes of fame. Why destroy their idols, stars, or just their friends? Don't realize what happens in their lives, their dreams, and their job. Childish behaviors are cruel and hurtful. Your comments were so insightful. Thank you
Kpop stans, especially on Twitter, forget the human process of mental growth. Someone on their 20's won't be the same person as when they were on their 13's. We develop our personalities, our values, morals, and our mentality with trials and errors. No single person on this planet hasn't made bad decisions at a young age out of rage/strong emotions, especially in adolescence. Even as an adult, I sometimes make wrong decisions based on my emotions and hurt people without meaning to, because we all are humans, and we are in constant evolution every day. Also, if we made mistakes, we needed to accept it and apologize sincerely. Something HE DID! it takes a lot of courage, empathy, and self-respect to apologize, and that talks MASSIVE KILOMETERS/MILES about Hyunjin's values and character. That's why I truly respect him. Cowards would never even think of accepting it and scape from reality. Thanks for this video ❤
This!! It bogles my mind how detached from reality these people are that are so vehement in punishing these idols for what they did as 13/14 yrs old kids, when they did not know any better and were just learning how to handle life. This is something we’ve all been thru and might have done things that, looking back, we might regret. But i cannot imagine now as an adult being reminded constantly and harassed of things i did back then and, worse, having others make assumptions about those things when not even i can remember exactly what happened.
@@stitch8296 if you keep repeating it, it will not make it true; i know what you are, freak, i suggest you go outside and stop being chronically online and maybe take a psychiatric evaluation
@@stitch8296all the class was like that, and you're a bully for calling him an mf. you're showing that you're very immature and im sure you're twice as horrible irl.
I will never understand how people who calls themselves "fans" and antis can hate someone just because some people (women) wants attention by making up stories. Worst of all the idol are getting hate for all of the lies. I won't drop names, but an idol proven his innocence through his own agency. He got help from them and an investigater. Still people are saying that he's guilty. The other idol got accused of things too. He's still on "hiatus", when we got someone in the fandom to hire a private investigator to prove his innocence. The people who use to be his fans and other fandoms believed the accuser. Worst of all he had to leave the group he was in just to satisfy the haters. The accuser turned out to be a saesang fan. Still his agency kept him on hiatus. My point? Why do people believe saesang fans and the people who is supposed to be friends of the idol when there's a "scandal"? It's stupid. Rather do what the first mentioned idol did. DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE YOU JUDGE THE IDOL. Besides they are human beings who have made mistakes before they became famous. By mentioning it, because you are jealous of their fame is disgusting!
I'm a han fan in particular but I love all members equally and would never do anything bad to mentally or physically harm them they have made my life so much happier and I have felt less unhappy over time.
Pls stop with the "They are under 15, they just a kid" thing. I got bullying when I was only 13 by my classmate, but with the help with my cousin, the bully accused me for stare at her and trying to mess with her by talk bad behind her back, which I clearly did not do it. I have to bearing the beating inside school bathroom by the bully while my cousin blocking the door from outside, I got so scare I have to begging to be sick for like two or three time every week, the whole class make fun of me about that. Later on I knew from my bff (who's friend with the bully) that my cousin hate me for no reason and accusing me with the bully about those fake news. I still traumatised about that, like literally nobody believe me except my mom bcs she saw my cousin fight with another girl outside and she now know about her real face. Sorry for my bad english but I just want to clear things up, nobody wants to get bullying!
I'm so sorry to hear that you've had been thru so much. Parents need to keep an eye on their kids. The world's a scary place. But in Hyunjin's case, both of the parties were never involved in anything physical. And it wasn't bullying. It was a two sided hostility. But what happened to you, is very sad and heartbreaking
I have also been bullied by my entire class grade. So, for me (& i'm not comparing, because all is horrifying), it was 100s of people coming at you, looking down at you, calling you names, etc. It's the reason why I am the way that I am, today. But I also know that people CAN change. So, even if they were bullies when they were younger, doesn't mean that's how they are NOW. I forgave the girl (not saying you should) that turned everyone against me because she was jealous of me. I never saw her bully anyone ever again. & those that bullied me, end up later calling me "the shy sweet girl" instead of "r*tarded & other foul names*. My point is, people DO change. Especially when they're under 15yrs vs adults.
All l can say is hyunjin be safe and be happy and life your life 💜 ❤ your the best however you have a big soft heart ❤️ besides we will always shearing you and spooring you 💖 💗 stay happy always 💖 ❤ love you hyunjiiin ❤❤❤
This is my problem with K-pop stans culture. Back in 2013, i found out about BTS but on twitter i saw hella toxic stan culture was for k-pop stands. I recently (like 2-3 days go) got into stray kids. At first, just because of their beautiful (all of them are angelic asf in their own way) but it quickly turned from that to liking then loving their music. But it never fails, k-pop stands and haters will always find a way to ruin it.
They're best ignored. I refuse to let anyone take my love of something like that or ruin anything for me. I'm not about to let anyone have that kind of power over me.
Toxic fandoms that hates on celebs and other public figures, also ppl who make false accusations exist in every industry. The problem in kpop is that companies were created giving too much power to kpopers (who are mainly immature knetz who tend to be really obsessive). And things got worse at the end of the 3gen. Bc it was when too many foreign fans arrived bc kpop became more popular, so then many groups emerged and therefore more competition (and bc of that kpopers tried to destroy others groups). Also in Korea started to came many kpopers teens who like bubblegum pop and especially girl groups, and many began to hate SKZ for having been gaining popularity by making what they considered 'bad noisy music'. So when they saw that foreign Kpopers wanted to cancel them before, they tried to do the same when they had the opportunity, and that's what happened with Hyunjin. And the thing is the accusation against him start in a toxic forum that normal Korean ppl don't take seriously...A forum where many toxic kpopers usually enter to make anonymous posts to get fandoms and idols in trouble, and also to criticize anything about them. But very few foreign kpopers know about this, and others simply take advantage of what is said in there to behave like the korean haters. And the thing is that it's possible to report the posts there but not only did JYPE do nothing about it (SKZ has been accused of more things in that site), but their only "solution" is to make their idols apologize (like all companies), and that makes ppl think that they are admitting guilt...So both Korean and foreign Kpopers at that time already realized the power they have to create problems for idols...If companies had decided years ago to take serious measures against these malicious people, and report the posts on that toxic forum, I think many Kpopers would think twice before creating serious false accusations.
He is soo precious he has nice personality He may be rude that time. Even we all are so arrongent in just early teens. But people make mistakes ..😢❤❤❤❤
Kids can be so harsh toward each other at that age. And Hyunjin was also just a boy hitting his puberty....but the fact that it are only GIRLS who came forward with accusations, is kind of suspicious. Nothing worse than a scorned young girl that got rejected by one of the best looking boys in class, right? Especially when he becomes and idol and worldwide adored handsome young man. Not saying he is completely innocent - he sure would have said something any boy could have said- but the way everything was blown out of proportion, that was really unnecessary and hurtfull for everyone involved.
I agree with you and some people are just so Jealous It is definitely suspicious because why is now that he became an Idol that the girls spoke out why did they not speak out before..... Hyunjin is not a Bully He is a Loving soul who deserves the Most Beautiful things in the world ❤❤
Korea, like other Asian countries, is known for its culture of school bullying and especially the failure to punish bullies because no one dares to accuse them. So when I hear about this, I always remain neutral because anything is possible. In the case of Hyunjin, what was mentioned were violent and/or sexual remarks, so no physical violence (fortunately) but we still hear about middle school students who commit suicide because of oral insults or read on social networks. So it’s not something to be minimized as I’ve often read when it comes to a famous person. You must always remain cautious because yes, this has already proven to be true for others.
none of the accusers made mention of any sexual remarks in their statements though?? what was mentioned was him cussing them out. i think antis and trolls were the ones bringing up that narrative
Those girls were irresponsible and never took responsibility for their actions honestly - they ended up being actual bullies - did they ask for forgiveness for the harsh words they said to him in middle school - or the essential lies they told about him by omitting the truth of the situation - and their part.. they said it themselves the fact that he became ans idol is why it surfaced - and changed the narrative’s - their reasoning for coming forward and their actions should have been called more into question
The things i gather is: 1. Those girls are trying to make themselves the main character by trying get clout off of hyunjin’s fame. 2. Those that even bring up some incidents that happened as far back as middle school while they are adults shows how immature they are mentally and emotionally. 3. Those that still come for hyunjin are bored and have nothing else better to do. People need to move on. I also feel like anytime an anti comes along and tries to bring up this “scandal” again that the fans should just ignore them. Giving them attention is what they thirst for. So fans need to not quench their thirst for attention and dry them out.
@@rainclover59 So I see you're still leaving hate comments for Hyunjin. I've seen your hate comments for him in several SKZ videos. You must really envy him a LOT.
This was in high school, why are er hoing back thereI don’t care if he was or wasn’t a bully in high school. Can we move on with life. Middle school oh gawd do we have to this is abuse to hsve to…….hey when he was a newborn he threw up on his mother and neve told her he was sorry. If we gotta go through all this go back to his mother!
I heard JYP stated that they will take legal action toward those starting untrue allegations and rumors. Taking a page from bts and protecting their talent. I hope this is true.
I'm for sure those 4 Accusers are lying, they seen an opportunity to make him look bad because he was famous, i h8 people like that. Idc I known people who are good liars and envy a person who would do whatever to make the other person look bad
TBH,The company’s inaction is not due to unwillingness but because they are unable to act. Keeping the issue low-profile is already a rare stroke of luck for the company. If they were to counter-attack criticisms through legal means, it would only bring the topic back into public discussion, which would be detrimental to both the company and the idol, since they are not actually standing on the side of truth. Many people may not realize how adamant the company was in protecting this idol initially. They were never weak; they admitted to the wrongdoing only because there was an overwhelming amount of evidence and whistleblowers, leaving them unable to suppress it. Some people are completely unaware of just how lucky their idol is and believe they are spotless, when in reality, it is simply the result of capital-driven manipulation. Peace.
Whether Hyunjin made mistakes when 14٫ should not be held over his head now that he's an adult... No one knows exactly what happened at that time and the story behind it... They were all kids and going through their own growing stages... Hyunjin's not that same kid anymore and has grown into a responsible adult loved by many.. Why accuse him now after all these years????Because he's now an idol And you want to try and ruin his career 🤔.... Love yourself and stop holding on to things that hurt yourself and others... ❤
Thank you for this I understand as a mom of 6 they made it seem like he was a bully like from that movie or TV series glory children being children clicks ECT me I would been in the hell fire club from stranger things
It's not a misinformation it's rather hyunjin was being such a brat and immature. But the whole class was a bit rough to begin with. They all play and bicker back and forth very harshly with words. So naturally any 14-15 years old would be influenced by such environment. Thankfully they resolve it. I'm saying that I hope hyunjin had truly mature as an adult and change for the better. I hope he is not just sorry you got caught behaviour. As being said the old and young hyunjin is not an angel far more a saint, he is a really bratty teenagers with ill mouth. 😅
I agree a lot with this video. Anti’s are horrible people I will never truly understand as they have nothing to gain from hate. Yet the fans with their undefeated (sometimes concerning) love to defend their idol no matter what, even if they don’t know anything about the situation, is also not healthy. I mean you don’t actually know the person no matter how much you’ve seen. Sometimes you don’t even know your best friend as well as you think. This is very common in human behavior as people are not willing to accept something negative about something they respect or idolize. THIS exact one-sided thought is also visible in people their comments, but will only fuel the people who hesitate or are against your opinion, because it only appears that everyone that says he’s innocent does it out of blind love. Of course you give people reason to invalidate everything you say. I would rather believe the people coming with (even questionable) evidence. Sometimes we need to just be real, that’s all. Not a devoted fan of anyone or anything, this is just my opinion. Don’t spread hate that’s just sad, but also don’t go crazy in your devotion that you wouldn’t even question something or someone anymore.
Why people can understand that we all are human beings, we all have past lives, is sad and terrible to point to someone just because is famous, they push all the idols to a limit, they ended up killings themselves, this not a game or a joke, we all should be careful of what we type in their videos, we are not God to judge, be empathetic and try to think how you would feel if this where happening to you 😢
Not many people have a past that includes: gathering a group to intimidate women with threats of violence, making online threats telling others to "watch their words," calling someone a prostitute, and mocking someone for not having a mother. Moreover, he only issued an apology after a surge of victims emerged, angered by the company’s statements. When considering the subsequent actions and the maneuvers at concerts, it raises doubts about the sincerity of his remorse.
Can you please delete this video because of this video everyone hating him. And he was not guilty he was forced to apologize by the company. And what you have mentioned that's not true. There was only one accuser not 4. And that girl had a gang. She was bulling Hyunjin. They were making fun of his dead dog. They were never physically fought that's just a argument. Hyunjin was the one who was bullied. Pls l know must working hard for this video but please delete this. 🙏
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I think jype also played a big role in how things turned out to be because they weren’t clear on the nature of the things that were said or they didn’t deny the fabricated things that were circulating online and, most importantly, they never took any legal action against those spreading misinformation as well as, to this day, they have never taken any action against those cyberbullying him over things that aren’t even true.. this lack of action from them has enabled the spread of wild and disgusting theories that antis use to accuse him of much worse things than what happened, and also they use this lack of action from jype as them basically confirming that hj did those horrible things. The company never protected him as they should have and just made him write a vague apology letter that is now also being used against hj as him confirming whatever wild theories they have fabricated, it’s just a mess that will never stop because the company will just let it happen without taking legal action, even tho they repeatedly said they will and the fans keep sending them emails of the disgusting things antis spread around.
This! Many ppl don't understand that one of the biggest problems with this is that companies don't usually take adequate measures. So they are harming the accused idols. And kpopers from 4gen at that time, many were new to this industry and didn't knew about how things works in kpop, that's made everything wost.
I have been following K-pop for more than 10 years and I have seen cases of serious accusations towards other idols of which they were innocent, but by the time this was known the damage had already been done. So at least JYPE didn't kick Hyunjin out like other companies have done with their idols. But I am one of those fans who do complain about the company for certain reasons, just like I have been complaining for years about many Kpop companies for not changing and remaining stuck with the same attitude regarding these types of issues. Like, the reality is that the ones who usually accuse idols are ppl who want some attention or bc they are fans of other groups and want to get rid of the competition. That's why making idols ready to ask for forgiveness is counterproductive, simply with this they are implying that they 'accept the accusations'. And what I hate the most is how even today Kpopers play dumb about this reality.
Fr. Particularly for this one, we can say that there wasn't enough evidence so they couldn't prove anything. It was Hyunjin who stepped up and took responsibility. All jyp did was to release statements like we're investigating, Hyunjin won't take part in group's Activities, Hyunjin met the accusers, Hyunjin is going on hiatus. What did Jyp do to protect it's artist?
It's crazy to me how Asian culture has a way of blindly condemning someone as guilty or blindly supporting someone's innocence without any form of proof on either side just because of their professional accomplishments or failures.
TBH,The company’s inaction is not due to unwillingness but because they are unable to act. Keeping the issue low-profile is already a rare stroke of luck for the company. If they were to counter-attack criticisms through legal means, it would only bring the topic back into public discussion, which would be detrimental to both the company and the idol, since they are not actually standing on the side of truth.
Many people may not realize how adamant the company was in protecting this idol initially. They were never weak; they admitted to the wrongdoing only because there was an overwhelming amount of evidence and whistleblowers, leaving them unable to suppress it. Some people are completely unaware of just how lucky their idol is and believe they are spotless, when in reality, it is simply the result of capital-driven manipulation.
Peace.
I love your videos because you debunk the topics and make it so much easier for people to understand but the fact that 80% of what happened was caused by the fans is disgusting and disturbing the fans didn’t even have to get themselves involved it’s honestly horrible I love your vids bcs I wasn’t a Stan at the time it happened so I can understand what happened more tysm!
Glad that you found the videos useful and Thank youu
@@kpop_kdrama_addict You make things a 100 times easier to understand, It’s a fact of life. I love ur vids and watch ur videos whenever they get posted. Love you
@@twinstars3428 Thank you so much. This means a lot🤍🤍
Conclusion: he got into a petty teenage fight where there was no power imbalance.
no he bullied. he made a apology letter in korean language. when he was a teen he invited a girl to a group chat with his friend and he told the girl "ur mom is a s**t" and ect.
@@lcir proof?
@@Iloveaespa980 im korean and you can search google “현진 학폭 논란”
@@Iloveaespa980 im korean and search google“현진 학폭 논란”
@@Iloveaespa980im a korean and search google "현진 학폭“
Thank you for talking about this, I still meet STAYs who believe the accusations were lies against him. I remember this situation made me very anxious, I was on the neutral side (I am Hyunjin bias) but I was so worried for him, also I do not believe the allegations against him make him a bad person, he was young and should have been punished at the time but now? He has changed and grow, even before all of this, he talked about how he was embarrassed about how he used to act when he was younger. The way he handled the situation make me love him and respect him even more, like you mentioned the way he take all in, not denying anything, facing it and personally apologizing. The people who to this day hate him for this are just that, haters or very young people in my opinion (maybe in the age he had when this happen so they might take it personal), also I believe is important for STAYs to accept this happened.
@@Xela20j of course, that is understandable and also valid.
Honestly I don't think people hate him for that. It's just an excuse either because they think he overshadows others, or because he has a strong personality, or out of jealousy...Many idols have haters and the majority have never been accused of anything. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about it.
@@Xela20jWas this a one sided bullying shit? People who were actually bullied should be the ones knowing what it really means and not let some two sided fight between 12 year olds be labelled as bullying. So it's more ironic if they are the ones who fail to understand!
Love your comments 💕 I have to agree with you
Love this thank you and I'd love to see how he's grown none of us were perfect when we were 12 or 13 and if the people who were affected forgive him turn all that matters
One thing I want to thank you for is for saying that defending our favorite from toxic antis is making things worse. I have been experiencing it for almost 2 or 3 years now. I now realize why I am so stressed. From now on I will only supporting my fave and quietly waiting to see what will happen next and wait for his solo debut.
Now when I see hate stuff especially on insta, which already has over a 100 or 200 replies, I just report it and move on. There's no point in joining the war there cuz no one's gonna read each of that. That's just like wasting your energy
the thing is, why did she want an apology when he became an idol? that proves the kind of person she is. she wants to bring everyone down and i don't doubt she was a bad person in school too.
This is exactly what I was thinking too
Such a blind fan
@@winterbear5959 Excuse me? Your point? I won't jump to conclusions but what?
@@winterbear5959 what are you hinting at?
When i fought at school, i got detention and school related punishments. It would be weird to then be punished again if my adulthood for childish behaviour. Especially as the fights were between 2 people. Hyunjin being 'shamed' as an adult for kids actions IS actual bullying.
Ikr
the problem with this whole issue with fans is, stays aren’t wrong when they defend hj from the bullying allegations. because from the info from this video, there was no “bullying” like they claimed, so he’s innocent in the sense that he wasn’t bullying but he still did hurt the ppl he was feuding with. it was a two sided hostility as mentioned meaning both sides exchanged harsh words and were in the wrong.i respect hj for apologizing and accepting his mistakes. he’s really matured to become an amazing human being
With the word bullying, you can put a lot of things under it so it's very difficult to say whether he did it or not and some Stay defend him without even knowing what it is.
What bothers me is that there are still a lot of assumptions and some based on memories of teachers who at the time did nothing and/or also minimized what was happening.
What is certain is that at the time of the investigation, it must have been a difficult time for everyone and also caused enormous concern for the Stray Kids group.
@@Secotine88 There’s a difference between bullying and two conflicting parties not seeing eye to eye. I read up and followed his case when everything was happening and based on the facts that came out, the accusers themselves were not completely innocent hence imo i wouldn’t term it as bullying. Everyone’s memories on what happened back then didn’t add up or was completely different but what was common was that hj and the accusers weren’t on good terms and there was some kind of fued going on. People are free to interpret it however they want though, i’m just glad hj apologized and worked things out.
And yeah some stays are ignorant of the whole issue and just make it worse when they try to defend him.
@@ravenblue4461 I have found no trace of official statements from either party on what really happened (which is not really surprising). I have read certain accusations and the arguments of one of his classmates who defended him, but in these cases it is always difficult to sort things out because nothing is completely black or white. In the end, I'm only sure of the outcome. These stories are always complicated.
*Rant alert* cuz even if it was a long time ago I got emotional watching this and realizing more how disgustingly unfair it was towards Hyunjin. Arguments start from both sides. Did the ones who misbehaved with Hyunjin said sorry to him?? Just because a 13year old later grew up to be successful, now you want an apology from him only? Judging the school environment definitely there were people who also should be saying sorry to each other if you can't get over arguments from your school days. They're complaining like they are saints who never said a wrong word in their life??? And the people judging all over the internet do you even freakin know what actual bullying is? Absolutely not. Fights, arguments, having bad blood are two sided problems. Not a one sided act like bullying.
I am so proud of him facing this with such courage. The amount of self hatred he went through after this was visible (that's why i got so emotional watching this). I'm so happy to see him being able to love himself again and how he is able to focus on all the love we give him and not give a damn about bullshit antis. He got everything he ever deserved and worked for!
Seriously though, I've experienced it (call it whatever you want bullying or 2-way hostility, but basically just dramatic conflicts between kids) in middle school, but that does not mean I will go online and tell my story to strangers in hopes of wrecking them in the future if they become successful. Of course, I'm not sure if the situation was more dire than mine because she claims to have used medication, but to some extent, mine also took a huge toll on me. I honestly don't really understand what the logic behind that was, why would you go expose your pain to the world and relive it just to cause him harm? I feel like there's something more here? sorry if what I said was insensitive and victim blaming in any way, not my intention
@@Clmc_88 The answer to "why" a lot of times lies in our inability to understand how some people can be so contemptuous because we ourselves are not and think that is normal. People who've known about the kpop industry for a long time knows that such contempt, jealousy, hatred are not that uncommon in Korea and using social media for that is also infact quite common
Sorry but based on the victims testimony.. They are parts where hyunjin is the one who started the fight. Look I get it both have their own roles in this but people like you are basically low key painting the victims as the one who exaggerated the situation when in actuality it is not. Please refrain from trying to downplay the severity of this issue towards the victims.
They are all trying to bypass that but they have no choice but to relive the memories when they saw hyunjin on big TV screen one fine day.
Hyunjin is most certainly guilty he was being a complete brat.
But I'm glad he has changed now or I hope he truly does change into a better person and surely hope he has mature. 😅
@@yummymellon4058but the thing is he was? Didn’t he go to an all boys school in middle school? And let’s keep that aside bc that’s still confusing among stays but even his teachers and classmates defended him. Well of course, I think everyone here believes in him exactly because of the misinformation that was spread at the time. Even before I became a stay, I never fully believed any bullying rumours from anyone bc kpop is famous for having hundreds of fake bullying allegations. We don’t know if he’s started the fight. Then you’re putting the blame on him. From what we know, even if that “bullying” was real, they both said hurtful things to each other. I’m pretty sure anyone who’s lived through that age would look at it and say “oh! I did say some crazy shit then but I can’t imagine being like that now”. It’s often just about arguing at that age. You’re looking at the victim’s testimony when it was proven to be exaggerated.
I get your point which would be valid usually but it seems like you’d rather believe Hyunjin was a bully than not even when presented with evidence. And how do you call him a brat when the other person also did the same? Like- it doesn’t make sense to me. You’re siding with the apparent victim, that even those around Hyunjin and witnessed their interactions proved to be just a toxic argument from both sides.
This isn’t saying he isn’t wrong bc he did say hurtful things even though he was young. But he owned up to it even much later. What I’m questioning is how you just reduced him to being the only person who was in the wrong and is defending the person who clearly did exaggerate it. An argument between two that results in hostility is not bullying. There’s a reason why the victims testimony was refuted and it’s straight up disrespectful towards Hyunjin
@@yummymellon4058umm no they started several of the incidents too. It’s very clear that you’re being biased and considering they were being bratty too he wasn’t completely guilty like you said. Stop trying to paint these kids out as some type of victims. Instigators aren’t victims, they’re just as much of the problem as he was. They have trauma from seeing his face on TV? Boo hoo, they caused their own trauma.
These FANS needed their 15 minutes of fame. Why destroy their idols, stars, or just their friends? Don't realize what happens in their lives, their dreams, and their job. Childish behaviors are cruel and hurtful. Your comments were so insightful. Thank you
These antis are crazy they make it worse. He apologized and hes mature enough to do it. Im glad hes back
Kpop stans, especially on Twitter, forget the human process of mental growth. Someone on their 20's won't be the same person as when they were on their 13's. We develop our personalities, our values, morals, and our mentality with trials and errors. No single person on this planet hasn't made bad decisions at a young age out of rage/strong emotions, especially in adolescence. Even as an adult, I sometimes make wrong decisions based on my emotions and hurt people without meaning to, because we all are humans, and we are in constant evolution every day. Also, if we made mistakes, we needed to accept it and apologize sincerely. Something HE DID! it takes a lot of courage, empathy, and self-respect to apologize, and that talks MASSIVE KILOMETERS/MILES about Hyunjin's values and character. That's why I truly respect him. Cowards would never even think of accepting it and scape from reality.
Thanks for this video ❤
This!! It bogles my mind how detached from reality these people are that are so vehement in punishing these idols for what they did as 13/14 yrs old kids, when they did not know any better and were just learning how to handle life. This is something we’ve all been thru and might have done things that, looking back, we might regret. But i cannot imagine now as an adult being reminded constantly and harassed of things i did back then and, worse, having others make assumptions about those things when not even i can remember exactly what happened.
MF is a bully I don't care if he was young
@@stitch8296 if you keep repeating it, it will not make it true; i know what you are, freak, i suggest you go outside and stop being chronically online and maybe take a psychiatric evaluation
@@stitch8296 go outside and touch grass.. i also strongly recommended a psychiatric evaluation, you are clearly not well
@@stitch8296all the class was like that, and you're a bully for calling him an mf. you're showing that you're very immature and im sure you're twice as horrible irl.
I will never understand how people who calls themselves "fans" and antis can hate someone just because some people (women) wants attention by making up stories. Worst of all the idol are getting hate for all of the lies. I won't drop names, but an idol proven his innocence through his own agency. He got help from them and an investigater. Still people are saying that he's guilty. The other idol got accused of things too. He's still on "hiatus", when we got someone in the fandom to hire a private investigator to prove his innocence. The people who use to be his fans and other fandoms believed the accuser. Worst of all he had to leave the group he was in just to satisfy the haters. The accuser turned out to be a saesang fan. Still his agency kept him on hiatus. My point? Why do people believe saesang fans and the people who is supposed to be friends of the idol when there's a "scandal"? It's stupid. Rather do what the first mentioned idol did. DO YOUR RESEARCH FIRST BEFORE YOU JUDGE THE IDOL. Besides they are human beings who have made mistakes before they became famous. By mentioning it, because you are jealous of their fame is disgusting!
True that fans have to be careful with what they write
Fr
I admire hyunjin for how mature he was in his handling of the scandal, especially as it was over very immature actions
I'm a han fan in particular but I love all members equally and would never do anything bad to mentally or physically harm them they have made my life so much happier and I have felt less unhappy over time.
Pls stop with the "They are under 15, they just a kid" thing. I got bullying when I was only 13 by my classmate, but with the help with my cousin, the bully accused me for stare at her and trying to mess with her by talk bad behind her back, which I clearly did not do it. I have to bearing the beating inside school bathroom by the bully while my cousin blocking the door from outside, I got so scare I have to begging to be sick for like two or three time every week, the whole class make fun of me about that. Later on I knew from my bff (who's friend with the bully) that my cousin hate me for no reason and accusing me with the bully about those fake news.
I still traumatised about that, like literally nobody believe me except my mom bcs she saw my cousin fight with another girl outside and she now know about her real face. Sorry for my bad english but I just want to clear things up, nobody wants to get bullying!
I'm so sorry to hear that you've had been thru so much. Parents need to keep an eye on their kids. The world's a scary place. But in Hyunjin's case, both of the parties were never involved in anything physical. And it wasn't bullying. It was a two sided hostility. But what happened to you, is very sad and heartbreaking
I have also been bullied by my entire class grade. So, for me (& i'm not comparing, because all is horrifying), it was 100s of people coming at you, looking down at you, calling you names, etc. It's the reason why I am the way that I am, today. But I also know that people CAN change. So, even if they were bullies when they were younger, doesn't mean that's how they are NOW. I forgave the girl (not saying you should) that turned everyone against me because she was jealous of me. I never saw her bully anyone ever again. & those that bullied me, end up later calling me "the shy sweet girl" instead of "r*tarded & other foul names*. My point is, people DO change. Especially when they're under 15yrs vs adults.
@@nezaeya OMG I am so sorry If it helps I am also being bullied because I am Black and I am attending a white school But I am so sorry
People can be really mean
All l can say is hyunjin be safe and be happy and life your life 💜 ❤ your the best however you have a big soft heart ❤️ besides we will always shearing you and spooring you 💖 💗 stay happy always 💖 ❤ love you hyunjiiin ❤❤❤
This is my problem with K-pop stans culture. Back in 2013, i found out about BTS but on twitter i saw hella toxic stan culture was for k-pop stands. I recently (like 2-3 days go) got into stray kids. At first, just because of their beautiful (all of them are angelic asf in their own way) but it quickly turned from that to liking then loving their music. But it never fails, k-pop stands and haters will always find a way to ruin it.
They're best ignored. I refuse to let anyone take my love of something like that or ruin anything for me. I'm not about to let anyone have that kind of power over me.
Toxic fandoms that hates on celebs and other public figures, also ppl who make false accusations exist in every industry. The problem in kpop is that companies were created giving too much power to kpopers (who are mainly immature knetz who tend to be really obsessive). And things got worse at the end of the 3gen. Bc it was when too many foreign fans arrived bc kpop became more popular, so then many groups emerged and therefore more competition (and bc of that kpopers tried to destroy others groups).
Also in Korea started to came many kpopers teens who like bubblegum pop and especially girl groups, and many began to hate SKZ for having been gaining popularity by making what they considered 'bad noisy music'. So when they saw that foreign Kpopers wanted to cancel them before, they tried to do the same when they had the opportunity, and that's what happened with Hyunjin. And the thing is the accusation against him start in a toxic forum that normal Korean ppl don't take seriously...A forum where many toxic kpopers usually enter to make anonymous posts to get fandoms and idols in trouble, and also to criticize anything about them. But very few foreign kpopers know about this, and others simply take advantage of what is said in there to behave like the korean haters. And the thing is that it's possible to report the posts there but not only did JYPE do nothing about it (SKZ has been accused of more things in that site), but their only "solution" is to make their idols apologize (like all companies), and that makes ppl think that they are admitting guilt...So both Korean and foreign Kpopers at that time already realized the power they have to create problems for idols...If companies had decided years ago to take serious measures against these malicious people, and report the posts on that toxic forum, I think many Kpopers would think twice before creating serious false accusations.
That teacher really saved hyunjin's career
Fr
He is soo precious he has nice personality
He may be rude that time.
Even we all are so arrongent in just early teens.
But people make mistakes ..😢❤❤❤❤
Kids can be so harsh toward each other at that age. And Hyunjin was also just a boy hitting his puberty....but the fact that it are only GIRLS who came forward with accusations, is kind of suspicious. Nothing worse than a scorned young girl that got rejected by one of the best looking boys in class, right? Especially when he becomes and idol and worldwide adored handsome young man. Not saying he is completely innocent - he sure would have said something any boy could have said- but the way everything was blown out of proportion, that was really unnecessary and hurtfull for everyone involved.
I agree with you and some people are just so Jealous It is definitely suspicious because why is now that he became an Idol that the girls spoke out why did they not speak out before..... Hyunjin is not a Bully He is a Loving soul who deserves the Most Beautiful things in the world ❤❤
I'm crying
He didn't deserve it at all poor baby 😭😭😭
Korea, like other Asian countries, is known for its culture of school bullying and especially the failure to punish bullies because no one dares to accuse them. So when I hear about this, I always remain neutral because anything is possible. In the case of Hyunjin, what was mentioned were violent and/or sexual remarks, so no physical violence (fortunately) but we still hear about middle school students who commit suicide because of oral insults or read on social networks. So it’s not something to be minimized as I’ve often read when it comes to a famous person. You must always remain cautious because yes, this has already proven to be true for others.
none of the accusers made mention of any sexual remarks in their statements though?? what was mentioned was him cussing them out. i think antis and trolls were the ones bringing up that narrative
Those girls were irresponsible and never took responsibility for their actions honestly - they ended up being actual bullies - did they ask for forgiveness for the harsh words they said to him in middle school - or the essential lies they told about him by omitting the truth of the situation - and their part..
they said it themselves the fact that he became ans idol is why it surfaced - and changed the narrative’s - their reasoning for coming forward and their actions should have been called more into question
The things i gather is:
1. Those girls are trying to make themselves the main character by trying get clout off of hyunjin’s fame.
2. Those that even bring up some incidents that happened as far back as middle school while they are adults shows how immature they are mentally and emotionally.
3. Those that still come for hyunjin are bored and have nothing else better to do.
People need to move on. I also feel like anytime an anti comes along and tries to bring up this “scandal” again that the fans should just ignore them. Giving them attention is what they thirst for. So fans need to not quench their thirst for attention and dry them out.
@@rainclover59 So I see you're still leaving hate comments for Hyunjin. I've seen your hate comments for him in several SKZ videos. You must really envy him a LOT.
They hold grudges against him since middle schools this is unbelievable and suspicious .
Frr
These people were confirmed to be lying
This was in high school, why are er hoing back thereI don’t care if he was or wasn’t a bully in high school. Can we move on with life. Middle school oh gawd do we have to this is abuse to hsve to…….hey when he was a newborn he threw up on his mother and neve told her he was sorry. If we gotta go through all this go back to his mother!
I heard JYP stated that they will take legal action toward those starting untrue allegations and rumors. Taking a page from bts and protecting their talent. I hope this is true.
I'm for sure those 4 Accusers are lying, they seen an opportunity to make him look bad because he was famous, i h8 people like that. Idc I known people who are good liars and envy a person who would do whatever to make the other person look bad
TBH,The company’s inaction is not due to unwillingness but because they are unable to act. Keeping the issue low-profile is already a rare stroke of luck for the company. If they were to counter-attack criticisms through legal means, it would only bring the topic back into public discussion, which would be detrimental to both the company and the idol, since they are not actually standing on the side of truth.
Many people may not realize how adamant the company was in protecting this idol initially. They were never weak; they admitted to the wrongdoing only because there was an overwhelming amount of evidence and whistleblowers, leaving them unable to suppress it. Some people are completely unaware of just how lucky their idol is and believe they are spotless, when in reality, it is simply the result of capital-driven manipulation.
Peace.
Whether Hyunjin made mistakes when 14٫ should not be held over his head now that he's an adult... No one knows exactly what happened at that time and the story behind it... They were all kids and going through their own growing stages... Hyunjin's not that same kid anymore and has grown into a responsible adult loved by many.. Why accuse him now after all these years????Because he's now an idol And you want to try and ruin his career 🤔.... Love yourself and stop holding on to things that hurt yourself and others... ❤
Thank you for this I understand as a mom of 6 they made it seem like he was a bully like from that movie or TV series glory children being children clicks ECT me I would been in the hell fire club from stranger things
Ikrr
So true ❤
It's not a misinformation it's rather hyunjin was being such a brat and immature. But the whole class was a bit rough to begin with. They all play and bicker back and forth very harshly with words. So naturally any 14-15 years old would be influenced by such environment. Thankfully they resolve it. I'm saying that I hope hyunjin had truly mature as an adult and change for the better. I hope he is not just sorry you got caught behaviour. As being said the old and young hyunjin is not an angel far more a saint, he is a really bratty teenagers with ill mouth. 😅
And ur bias was an angel...no one is an angel but from his interaction with his members and juniors it's easy to tell he is a nice person😢
I agree a lot with this video. Anti’s are horrible people I will never truly understand as they have nothing to gain from hate. Yet the fans with their undefeated (sometimes concerning) love to defend their idol no matter what, even if they don’t know anything about the situation, is also not healthy. I mean you don’t actually know the person no matter how much you’ve seen. Sometimes you don’t even know your best friend as well as you think. This is very common in human behavior as people are not willing to accept something negative about something they respect or idolize. THIS exact one-sided thought is also visible in people their comments, but will only fuel the people who hesitate or are against your opinion, because it only appears that everyone that says he’s innocent does it out of blind love. Of course you give people reason to invalidate everything you say. I would rather believe the people coming with (even questionable) evidence. Sometimes we need to just be real, that’s all. Not a devoted fan of anyone or anything, this is just my opinion. Don’t spread hate that’s just sad, but also don’t go crazy in your devotion that you wouldn’t even question something or someone anymore.
Why people can understand that we all are human beings, we all have past lives, is sad and terrible to point to someone just because is famous, they push all the idols to a limit, they ended up killings themselves, this not a game or a joke, we all should be careful of what we type in their videos, we are not God to judge, be empathetic and try to think how you would feel if this where happening to you 😢
Not many people have a past that includes: gathering a group to intimidate women with threats of violence, making online threats telling others to "watch their words," calling someone a prostitute, and mocking someone for not having a mother.
Moreover, he only issued an apology after a surge of victims emerged, angered by the company’s statements. When considering the subsequent actions and the maneuvers at concerts, it raises doubts about the sincerity of his remorse.
5:57 JYP BE LIKE WHERE ACTUALLY DOING SOMETHING
Can you please delete this video because of this video everyone hating him. And he was not guilty he was forced to apologize by the company. And what you have mentioned that's not true. There was only one accuser not 4. And that girl had a gang. She was bulling Hyunjin. They were making fun of his dead dog. They were never physically fought that's just a argument. Hyunjin was the one who was bullied.
Pls l know must working hard for this video but please delete this. 🙏
rhat 3rd accquser said abt sports is just trash talk of course if your the one making your team lose your gonna get flamed just get better
Wait there’s another bad fan?