This Is How I Heat My House For FREE!!!!
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We live in NC, we have a Heater just like yours, had it for 32 years! We love the very warm house, hot showers, and
Moist not dry heat. Our wood comes from our property. My husband is 83 and still cuts and splits wood and loves it. Enjoy your free heat!!
That is awesome to hear Kim!!! 83?!?! Thanks so much for watching my video and leaving such a nice comment. I hope you subscribe too. !! Joe
I’m in NC and we have a wood burner. Still learning how to warm our house with it.
32 years of burning your own trees? How many acres do you thing you burnt?
The cutting and splitting of the wood helps keep us young!
I imagine tons of it have been natural fallen trees @@TonyDoughnut
This was an exact replacement for the old one that lasted about 10 years. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkx7yWIKcrbA9KMHkGSfcgxW2lsjHT6B8Sh The top of my mitigation tube by my roofline was just a 90 elbow which allowed too much debris to fall down into the fan, eventually ruining it. Without this issue, I bet it would have kept running another 10 years. When I replaced this fan, I added an extra elbow joint so the top tube now it does a 180, which should solve that problem. The radon guys around here wanted to charge me a $300 diagnostic fee, then parts/labor (probably close to $600 total). I installed this all by myself in about an hour for the cost of the fan; it would probably be even easier/faster with two people. FYI the manufacturer's warranty greatly differs depending on whether you install it yourself (1 yr warranty) or have a licensed installer do it (10 yrs).
Nature is so forgiving. If you cut one tree and drill a hole in the stump and plant a sapling you get that tree back again !
The house we bought a few years ago has the exact same furnace that you have. While we was moving in, a older man pulls up in the drive and he said he lives just down the road and asked me if we was going to use the wood furnace. I told him that I wasn’t sure because we didn’t know if it still worked. Then he told me that he was the one that installed it back 1992 and said he would check it out for us. He said that all it needed was a new pump, blower and water in the tank and it would be ready to start it up. I paid him to install the pump and blower and we’ve been using it ever since and we absolutely love it. This is the warmest house I’ve ever lived in. And yes, it does burn a lot of wood but I don’t care. I actually love cutting and splitting wood.
Hi Joe, I’m with ya, no monthly bill showing up in the mailbox = free for me! I appreciate utilizing what most consider as scrap wood. I own a central boiler classic installed 2005. I produce all my firewood from the non-merchantable leftover of what I harvest to sell, softwoods and hardwoods, but mostly softwoods. Feels great generating day after day heat and hot water from; butt rot balsam fir, cedar, standing dry pine and spruce and top wood hardwoods. Sell the best and burn the rest! Take care!
Great motto!! Thanks for sharing buddy. I hear there is some snow coming your way this weekend!
Also a firewood producer, had thought about the outdoor furnace for years. After seeing this, no way, that’s to much lumber to eat just to get to December. I’ll stick to our two wood burning stoves, we average 5-6 cord used per year. Thanks Joe
Chuck
I probably misspoke. The pile outside the furnace will prob make to the end of Jan. But still they do eat a lot of wood
They are extremely efficient.
My Army roommate lives is a small town, lower tier Western NY State, and the family owns a mountain. When he carved out his homestead, he put in radiant heating, and an outdoor boiler like this. It’s always toasty. His shop heat is huge suspended radiators, with big blowers, and when he cranks the valve for that it comes directly off the boiler. You roast in no time, and then he closes it down to a trickle. Wood heat is a way of life in that area of the USA. “Get yer Deer?”, and “Get yer wood in?” are the two most common questions, and if you’re too old or physically unable, your neighbors will always help you out.
Thanks for the nice post Gary. I hope you are staying warm this winter! Please subscribe if you haven't done so yet buddy. Joe
We've got an outdoor wood gasification boiler we put in two winters ago. Absolutely love it for the reason you mentioned...we put the heat on what we want, not what the electric bill dictates and we both like it warm. I very much enjoy my $80 electric bill with no additional gas or propane bill when it's 10 degrees outside in the winter. We're on 60 heavily treed acres in northern Idaho and have a small bandsaw mill. The offcut slabs are great for the boiler so the sawmill is a great compliment to the boiler. I mix about 1 part firewood to 4 parts cut up offcuts since the offcuts burn faster. That way it lasts at least a day between refills. I'm actually looking for a place to get rid of offcuts as we're not going through it as fast as we make it given the trees that need thinning and taken out on the property each year to maintain the forest.
I've got to put a micro hydro in the creek so I can get that electric bill down even lower and not resort to my solar rig/generator to run the electrics on the boiler when the power goes out.
After watching the whole video...We have a new model Central Boiler that does wood gasification. Upside; it does a fantastic job of burning the wood and gases which results in nearly no smoke and a significantly more efficient burn. That pile of wood you have there would be at least two years, maybe three for us. The downside; it's all programmatically controlled so there is more to go wrong if something breaks. We're building our house right now (currently it's heating the building our RV is in that we're living in while we build) and it will heat the house, domestic hot water, my shop, and possibly enough to get a few more months out of a green house.
The Central Boiler Classic is a great stove very simple and very efficient on wood I have owned a Hardy they are nothing more than a wood eater
Some places aren't connected too gas which is handy because they've normally got access too wood fallen and dead trees..my.brother said too me years ago that gas would become too expensive , but that was in the 1980s , did I listen , no , but I have a wood stove now ...thanks for sharing .
The fiance and I are starting to figure out what we want when we build our own house, thankful to come across this video for alternative heating! All very good info
Thank you for explaining how the wood furnace works, actually showing us the working parts, and for setting realistic expectations about what it takes to keep it going. I had just learned these things even existed tonight while watching another video. I was curious how it worked as I am working towards becoming more self-sufficient. The very next video I saw in my feed was yours and it answered every single question that I had. I learned this wood furnace setup is going to be too much for me to manage by myself, and I also learned that I like your style so maybe I can learn more from you, therefore you have earned a new subscriber here. Excellent video!
We have a Central Boiler 560. It is very efficient. We keep the house at 70 degrees and as you, we heat our water. I use well seasoned firewood and I use around 20 to 22 pieces of split firewood every 36 hours. Our house is 2200 square feet. Also, I agree with you calling it free heat.
@gatkins993 .I get some from my own property, some from other people when they want trees cut down, from tree service companies that want to get rid of logs from recent jobs. I also get some from people that have leased their property to gas well companies and the gas well companies cut down tress and leave the trees. Sometimes, I get a permit from the state park to go in and remove fallen trees. So if I do need to purchase wood, I purchase firewood poles by the truck load from lumber companies that have trees that won't make good lumber. The cost for a log truck load is $800. That is extremely cheaper than paying for other products to heat my home. So no I don't steal anything. Oh and the cost for the state park permit is $10 for the day.
@@RAM-on8xb The nay sayers who say "it isn't free, your labor cost, you use gas to go get it etc. etc. (I've heard it all) are the ones who are paying the most per month to heat their homes, I think we "cheaters" pisses them off or something!
Super interesting content, as usual!
As others have said, a modern gasification burner would dramatically reduce the fuel required, and properly insulated underground piping would dramatically reduce it again!
Totally agree Ivor. But that is my situation now. I don't think I would ever buy a new one to install. I'm getting too old!!
I put my outdoor stove in 2018. Love it. And when I put in in I put block to get it up higher so when I feed it wood I won't be bent over at all
Just viewed you're video, more power to you! Your honesty i appreciate in you're description of the boiler, pros and cons. Thank you, you're a youngster to me friend, im well over 70.👍🇺🇸✝️
This is our 46th year burning wood in zanesville,ohio,,,we buy 2 loads of OAK each winter,,cost is $400.00,,so nice and warm,,i brag on our WOODCHUCK stove ,,lots of work,but the savings is well worth it,,love your videos,,Happy Holidays,CRIP
Thanks for checking in Crip Hope things are dry down in Zville
I agree!! Keep house and water hot! Fill boiler about 1430hrs and a partial fill about 0800 hrs. Use around 7 cord a winter.have around 17 cord in wood shed.
Sounds like you too have a lot of experience running one of these!
Taco is the brand of manufacture. They are known for efficient circulation. Your lucky in the fact that your components are pretty much off the shelf universal replacements. The air blower is the weak point, but probly the easiest to improvise
Keep up the good work.
Great summary of the pluses and minuses for wood furnaces, Joe. “Free” is rarely free. 👍
That's what dad always said!
I like the outdoor burner but like you said you have to keep them running. I use an indoor wood furnace that's wired up on a thermostat. If theres a wood fire going the gas furnace will shut down.. but if I'm sleeping or gone no sweat the propane furnace runs. Saves us a lot of gas
*Grandpa generates almost a 55 gallon drum of oil a year from changing fluids in our vehicles and all of his various pieces of construction equipment. He took a roll of copper tubing and some fittings and made a waste oil burner on the shop wood boiler. Now he is thinking about converting the oil into bio-diesel since the price is around $5 a gallon for diesel fuel.*
Great video Joe. A good friend of mine has a outdoor wood boiler, a non gasification unit by Central Boiler, and he said he uses roughly 10-12 cords a year, varies based on species but he is likes to have 20 plus cords at the ready and plenty more ready to be cut. He is also in touch with a few farmers near him and gets all he wants at the cost of the work. Win-win for them both. I personally do not heat with wood as of last year due to a divorce but I still help him out and get a load of wood for camp fires, I call that time my chain saw therapy time. I truly enjoy cutting, splitting, stacking, etc. Soon to be 42 but I enjoy the work. I also work at a lumber yard so being outside is my happy place. 👍🏻 Great video as always with great truthful information. 👍🏻
Nice post buddy. Good idea on your type of therapy. Time seems to stand still running a saw. Where are you from?
@@ohiowoodburner Hi Joe, I am from Holland, Michigan. 😊👍🏻
Lots of good info Joe, including the pros and cons of an O.W.F. Elaine from Canada here, I see you’re wearing a coat! I love the notion that all your off-cuts and rot wood are still a valuable commodity to you to keep your family warm. Great use of your resources. Nice video, have a good week.👍
Thanks Elaine. I was looking at getting a new coat but they are out of stock!
I have an outdoor wood boiler and I get my firewood for "free" from the local national/state forests. It's a lot of work for me because I have the bad habit of getting as much as I can haul on each trip (cut, split, load, haul, unload, stack). Some of the advantages of outdoor wood boilers are that all the mess, smoke, soot, ash, carbon monoxide/dioxide, etc. are all outside so there is little chance of sickness or catching your house on fire. I've saved a lot of money in the last 10 years just from from burning "free" firewood. I have some investment in gas, equipment, time, wear-and-tear, etc. but where I live my alternative is fuel oil or propane. My electric bill only goes up $10/mo. in the winter. Saving money is my side hustle.
For anyone thinking about getting an outdoor wood burner check with your local zoning. Many places are outlawing them because of the pollution problem. I heat exclusively with wood but I have a small indoor wood stove inside of my tiny house. I’m estimating that I won’t even go through one cord of wood this year. And I live in a very cold northern climate.
No thanks. I'm done bowing down to the libtards. I'm going to do what I'm going to do. Let them come get me
Great video! What I value the most with burning wood is that I control my heat source.
As my wife always says, "Free is only the cheese in a mousetrap!" Loving our free heat too, tho ours is a gasifier boiler in the basement with 500 gals of storage making it extremely efficient Definitely a lifestyle choice. I guess you wouldn't want to feed yours with "value added" firewood! :)
What brand of wood boiler do you have? I assume it is a European unit?
ha ha no Eric. My firewood is worth more as $$ than heat for my house!
I've been enjoying my wood stove for over 30yrs now. It's in my basement with a chimney running up the center of our home. Never bought any wood but had to work for it! It's good exercise and we love the the heat! We have a backup gas furnace that kicks on in the morning, unless I fire up the stove. It may not be totally free but damn close!👍 Have a great day!
@@garylaszewski7380 It's a New Horizon biomass 40. (Polish) The key is the storage tank which allows the boiler to run part of the day. It burns flat out where it's most efficient and clean the whole time, dumping the heat not used by the house into the tank which sends that heat back to the house later when the boiler is off. Today it ran 9 hours (3 wood fills) with it 35 ish outside. 3100 sq ft house with late 60's insulation, I keep it 73-74. It's been a fantastic system for me. Too much labor for many I'm sure. Anything that heats your house with "free" firewood is great in my book.
@@erice9536 I have always felt the European wood boilers were outstanding. They were far ahead of anything in the USA. I knew about the huge "hot water storage" tanks in ones's home, right next to the wood boiler.
Some people store a limited amount of fire wood on it, to dry the firewood to super dry condition. Very slick! Here in the US, the outdoor wood boiler is the king of wood heating.
But I believe the harsh weather is not good for the boilers. Its better indoors. But here, the units are so big, you dont want to put them in your house. An outbuilding would be better.
Good luck.
I have a buck stove now for approx 10 years. And when u go out side and smell that wood burning u Love it. Friends next to me say they love it also. But I guess that would change if I threw a tire in there lol
I have another stove I've been thinking about running some copper pipe threw to heat my water lol wife said no!! I SAY what she don't know won't hurt her rofl
Love the video and your humor.
GOD Bless
You're 100% correct on Free heat. Yes it is easier to pay the oil supplier. If you have to buy wood for your supply. Go with oil or gas. It's so nice when your house is at 75-76. And when negative temps come you don't even notice it. We burned small pine ice storm damage wood. With an endless supply who's counting cords? After being disabled I had no choice to turn on the oil furnace.
Thanks for the nice post jim. How much is oil costing you this winter?
Good points! I love heating with wood. I have a log splitter and chainsaw it can add up. But there is no bill! I still hve heat bill because of electrical.
I agree with some people that say it’s still expensive and more work.
But I agree with you saying you can control your temperature and be independent!
Awesome job!
You go bro
I have been using and outdoor woodstove for 15 years , burning whatever I can can get for free , pine , pallets , etc etc .
Mine is a HICKS out of my airy nc .
Love love love mine .
Works very similar to your hardy .
700 and 900 electric and gas
To 175 ish .
Best investment ever .
Paid for it in 3 ish seasons .
You are correct on that shower lol
Tree services round here ( swva )
Will drop it off right at my door , cut to length ( some ) I've split sawn for ehh 2 hours today , aprox. 1 quart of gas , and have 3 weeks to a month of heat , hot water for fam. Of 4 again love love .
Make a wind break tee on top yours , will slow consumption to about half what your using.
Blessing
G n va
I used to run an outdoor wood boiler. I own a small business and I was taking time off (at $1000 loss per day) to go fell trees, haul them a couple miles home, split, stack, load the thing 3 times a day/night, and clean the boiler frequently. Let's not forget the additional expenses of treating the water to prevent the tank from rusting, or the fact that these do take electricity to run fan(s) and pump(s) and then the fan inside the air handler in the house.
I now run an outdoor pellet stove instead, so yes I have to pay for 3-4 tons of pellets per season (about $800 this year), but I only have to stack those pallets of pellets once for the season and then I load the 48-bushel hopper ONCE per month. I still have to clean the unit weekly but there is so much less ash and soot that I'm done in 10 minutes and I'm not covered in soot.
Gosh that's a lot of TIME savings that translates into MONEY saved! Nothing is free, my friend.
EDIT: Central Boiler Maxim M255 PE (96% efficiency rating and eligible for 26% Tax credit)(does NOT belch smoke like a wood boiler, in fact barely noticeable).
So $1000 loss per day huh ? That equates to a annual income of $365,000 .With that kind of money why even waste time with wood or pellets ?
Nice setup Joe- Hopefully next year I’m going to get a outdoor wood boiler installed. The newer ones are much more efficient and cleaner burning.
I agree. think that's why Hardy dropped off bc they couldn't or didn't want to get on board with the new tech
I’ve heard up to 40% more efficient on the newer units . However , I’m sure there are lots of variables in that number .
What would that cost including running it into house. Not doing it myself.
I have an 80% efficient boiler, natural gas. I was looking to get a higher efficiency gas boiler but discovered that a problem with the more efficient models is that their efficiency is highly dependent on you having to clean them regularly, else their efficiency goes to crap. I'll keep my 80% efficiency boiler, thanks.
I think that the same may apply to the high efficiency wood fired boilers, regarding you having to spend a lot of time cleaning them to maintain their efficiency... don't know.
@@lxmzhg What?? Cleaning a nat gas furnace?? What do you clean off it???>
Very great info!
Few questions, how many cords do you think you burn? do you have back up heat for the house? what if you lose power in the winter?
We are north of Central Ohio, heat 100% with an indoor wood furnace (we do have propane in the event we need it). I prefer to get logs, cut and split my own wood. Our big problem this fall was sourcing logs for the '23/'24 seasons. I still have several requests out to local loggers/ tree service companies down our way to get load of logs. Seems to be slim pickings this year. But great set up. I absolutely agree with you, if you heat with wood, firewood will become your hobby.
If you don't mind can you tell me where u bought yr indoor boiler whats the brand model etc
Got one if you want one. Commercial grade, older but built better than todays junk, burns green 30” logs, 20 mi s of Boston
The newer, well-designed gasification outdoor wood burners are practically the exact opposite. The exhaust starts by going out the bottom with the ashes through the re-burner chamber and it only gets out the smokestack about 15 feet later! Wood has to be dry of course or it would mess up that entire system but other than that, it's super efficient. I rarely put all good hardwood in, like you, I have plenty of wood that doesn't make the cut, but if I do, a full box will last for a good 16 hours on an average northern WI winter day, just heating a house and the hot water. Box isn't that large either, maybe 28 to 30 inches square (cubed). Heatmaster 7000 is the model and I guess it has one of the better style heat exchangers that can be cleaned easily of any build up.
Firebox stays cool from about half way up because all the heat is going downward so there's never an issue of heat or fire coming out the door.
If you built a box around it with a space heater may allow you to go on vacation. You may also benefit using a gadifier system. You can run a truck on a gasifier also.
I cut firewood and people its hard work most people with jobs can't do this and wood is expensive unless you have woods with the right trees
I bought my first Hardy in 1992, total cost including installation was $3200. I have my second Hardy at a different location and it has been in service since 2001. Here in Western Kentucky, our winters are not terrible, but the furnace will devour the wood. Great video
The absolute truth! After a 30 year run with a woodmaster 4400 it gave up on me and I went to price a replacement..sticker shock! lol..I decided to not go back with a boiler as a result and instead went with a Blaze King catalytic combuster indoor stove...glad I did! Far less wood consumption! Great video!
I have a furnace add on in a single car garage. Paid 10$ on auction. Blows heat into my basement and keeps my other double garage 70-80° all winter. Its nice getting into a warm car. My neighbor has a stove like the one shown in the video except 4 to 6 times larger. Heats a huge shop and his house both. It forces air also. It will burn almost anything but uses tons of wood. His unit that accepts the water in the house is also hooked up to lp for when he isn't using wood. He's not gunning now because we don't have snow on the ground and he worries about dead grass by the shop starting a fire. His has a bout a 15 foot stack ant shoots flames out the top a few feet. Neighbors here are separated by at least 3/4 mile. The square mile i live in has a population of 7. Three separate couples and me and my dogs. I also run a Gibraltar in a mobile home where I reload and a lopi in my wood working shop. I have a beautiful hearthstone that is just sitting in a semi trailer. For sale.
Yeah, burning self cut wood is where it's at. I've been burning for heat for over 50 years. Didn't burn in the house when I was a kid, but once married, the wife and I love to use the woodstove !! I just use a regular woodstove in the basement and use fans to move the air. I live in Maryland, so I only use 2-3 cords a year. I also keep the heat pump temperature set between 60-65 in case the fire goes out. My main concern is losing power and not having the heat. We had an ice storm in 93-95 (?) and didn't have power for 4 days. We cooked and heated with the stove, dried our clothes from kids in the now, and more. I'll NEVER have a home without alternative heat !!
hi there i can relate to all you said . i heat the garage and a small green house . 25 -30 years when i built mine there was no pex , but the good thing i did was filled mine with antifreeze . back then it was only 150 -200 a gallon . mix it 50/50 i only needed around 60 gallons . still using the same a/f . . yours should back feed if your low temp doesn't cut the pump from running , the return on money should be just about the same with the current price of fuel . 700 per gallon here right now . may be kick backs for renewable heat source . how much does your elec. bill go down when you fire the tea kettle up . good show john
Our electric does go down about $20-$40. I throw the breaker on the domestic hot water. There is a risk of my DHW commingling with the tank water so that is why I never went the rout of adding antifreeze
I actually looked into this and many other types of fuel for heating. All types including this have a startup cost so it's not really free. I went with more of a insulation approach and solar approach. Windows are specially made to provide warmth and energy supplied to batteries for emergency backup and for a 1700 sq ft home in the middle of nowhere, I can run a 1500w heater to keep the entire house a relative 70f which is about 50 bucks a month if run off the company or free if ran from my battery supply. I also have a backup heating pipe system fueled by wood just in case of a real emergency that also heat the house very well, pushed through by a 10w pc fan.
If you pay 50 bucks a month, you would finance a $1000 air to air heat pump in 25 months by reducing your electricity use to about 1/4 of what a direct electric heater use. And then have atleast another 10 years of paying about $10-12 a month instead. An absolute no brainer investment in your case.
@@martinottosson6583 I run it completely free. When I first started, i used to need some power still. As my setup became complete, I no longer needed that.
I do use a heat pump for the winter, but for the summer, I use a swamp cooler as I'm in a relatively low humidity area, it works wonders for very little power draw.
Friends of mine did the exact same thing. They are offered wood in order to clear or clean up the land.
I do have the same system at my farm in IOWA.
❤️❤️great idea! My step dad built something similar. He put a big tank in the ground that holds the circulating water. The. Coils that heat the water are in the big fireplace. The water heats in the fireplace and travels to baseboard heat dispensers. (Not sure what else to call them,). The hot water travels to each room and back into the tank that's in the ground. It's a continuous cycle of hot water. Since you use an outside burner instead of a fireplace inside the house you lose a lot of heat. But great idea. Keep looking for that wood. Also you could run a continuous ad (that cost a little money) for free wood. People will call you after a storm. You could travel to hurricane, tornado damage places close to you and pick up fallen trees. Just saying.
We have a bunch of those in our area. They are amazing heaters. You can burn pallets, pine, tires...anything.
THAT'S GREAT, BUT WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WHEN THE ELECTRICITY GOES OFF? THANKS
I have a solar back up system. Runs the Hardy and the blower on my forced air furnace
THAT TACO..PUMP😮IS OUT DATED..THERE IS SUPER EFFICIENT ONES NOW ...AQUA STAT..BY GROUNDFUS
I wonder if you insulated it (or at least build a wind break), would it save you some blower energy and thus electricity? I've been looking at these types of systems for over a decade but I'm old, so I need perfect storms to change by power/heat structures. (We have an insert downstairs that helps on really cold nights, get the house nice and toasty and don't feel a pinch in the pocket.)
Joe, I know the new ones are way more expensive, but they are more efficient as well. Your needed wood supply would be considerably less. They do require seasoned dry wood though, so no splitting one day and throwing into the boiler the next day. Great video Joe.
I heat my house with a 1981 Buck wood stove. Much like Joe’s outdoor furnace, it go through wood like a forest fire. But I won’t replace it with an EPA stove because I can burn chunks of nearly anything without damage to a catalyst or other stove parts. I rarely have to, given my stockpile of year old ash wood, but I’d rather have the simple inefficient stove that’ll eat anything. Joe throws huge chunks of unsplit wood into his, and I’m certain a lot of what he’s burning is probably over 25%.
Like my stove, that doesn’t really matter except that you use a lot more wood when you’re burning things that aren’t meticulously split & dried.
I agree and think the new stoves are the responsible way to proceed. Much more efficient too. I am pretty lazy with my wood however. If I were to ever switch I would have to get more disciplined with my wood rotation
My brother just uses a wood stove inside his house, and I have never smelt any smoke inside the house ever, and its much more efficient when its inside the house as the stove itself that sits inside heats up, then heats the home from the inside. You don't have lines going through the elements either. I bet its about 50% more efficient if not 60%.
Love it. I want one of those hooked up to a wood kiln, dryer, hot water heater, and house hydronic heater!
As a 40 years plus home made wood boiler user, (who deals with similar lame comments about my wood not being free, even though it's deadfall on my own property, or scrap lumber on construction sites I'm already at anyway doing crane work, and often am getting paid crane time WHILE I pick up the wood) I finally got around just a couple weeks ago to rigging up a drip waste oil system. WELL WORTH DOING! You will use less wood, and I have yet to smell a burning oil smell. I wish I had done it decades ago! Nice stove BTW.
Living in Canada I have a gasification unit heating a two hundred year old 3000 Sq foot home on about 6 bush cord. Alot of municipalities up here have banned boilers unless they're gasification units
Whatever works for you and your family is all that really matters. I think you have a great overall step-up, personally. Also a great review as well.
I have learned that in timber/firewood production, there truly is nothing free. And most of the reason isn't necessarily money related. It's the toll on a person's body, as well as your time.
Good post Cody. I have done my best to avoid heavy lifting. Certainly repetitive lifting can take its toll but I look at it as a workout
Absolutely. I would have to have 500 a cord minimum for split ash firewood. My time counts too. I have heated with wood for more than 20 years and figure i spend a couple weeks a year cutting wood. Working a paying job would be would be worth a couple thousand dollars. Guys who work for tree trimming services who get paid to cut the wood get free heat.
Yup. I sell wood when construction welding slows down in the winter. As me and my buddies say it’s the hardest money you’ll ever make.
I got one question to ask! When you get 70 to 80 yrs old or more. How does that work cutting trees down and splitting wood and stacking it ?
My friend does this up n. People where I live cut up & take the cut logs from the local parks. The city cuts the wood and leaves a pile. Others come get it and the city comes and cleans up the saw dust .
My house is 75 degrees with below freezing temps outside. Setup my boiler 8 years ago and have no regrets. You’ve to do your maintenance ( cleaning) on a scheduled basis.
I think that is one of the benefits of the Hardy being stainless. I litterally do nothing to it in the off season. Nothing, no water treatment, cleaining etc
Personnel I use what's called an earth wood stove. It's not the most efficient wood stove because it doesn't have all those baffles that can get clogged up, but it keeps my small studio apartment that's located inside my 40x60 steel building nice and toasty warm. My wood comes from the trees I cut down that I don't cut into boards on my sawmill.plenty of trees falling down on their own to help curb my tree felling. I supplement my wood heat with a 30,000 but propane heater.
I have one also, I took my single wall pipe off and put a double wall insulated pipe on ours. Works great
Interesting. What does that provide? Thanks John
@@ohiowoodburner less creosote buildup in your flue . Look at the central boiler they all have triple wall or double wall insulated pipe.
Where I live you can get a permit for 10 cords ( dead and down trees in disignated areas) for 20bucks. Chains/gas/ chainsaw is pretty much all you need as well as a trailer to fit alot of logs. Alot of work but well worth it.
I think that sounds wonderful sir. I don't have a wood furnace, but I do have a fireplace that runs almost 24 7 here in PA for most of the winter and early spring for that matter. I'm not 100% independent of the gas bill...but it keeps my gas bill manageable at like $150-$200 or so. I bought the wood burner as soon as I got the house. I have no idea how much it costs to heat this place without the fireplace and I'm not interested in finding out! I keep the house at like 63-68 degrees but wish I could afford to have it up to 80
Is coal cheap? What about turf?
Would be awesome to have that running on solar too.
Totally off grid.
Thank you very much such an informative video I didn't know and then think of a lot of the points that you brought up I heat my house with 2 wood burners down here in the Ozarks and enjoy it but now that I'm 70 getting to be quite a bit of work easier to turn up the thermostat sometimes Thank you thank you again
LOL I hear you Matt. There are times where I think the easier thing to do would be to turn up the dial!!!
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💡If you’re really heating the ground that much in the winter, why not consider building a winter garden greenhouse? If the grass is green and growing while the surrounding ground is covered with snow, I imagine you could grow vegetables, especially onions, potatoes, carrots, beets, mustards and other leafy greens. Just an idea…💡
I have a woodstove and plenty of forever firewood. Lots of trees on my property to resupply and season. No money spent on electricity to power my woodstove. Hot water comes from the huge pot on the woodstove. I am on grid in a rural area but practice living an off grid lifestyle most of the time.
I forgot to mention we've heated with wood for 40 years and loved every minute of it.
Brent
Good to know buddy! Thanks for posting
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I’m in a secluded rural area and have geothermal I like it less cheaper then propane my neighbor spends about $3200.00 a year for a 1600sq ft home, natural gas is not available in my area, I don’t have to go through all the intense labor or wear and tear on my body involved in a wood burning system. I don’t have the worries about traveling in the winter I have a whole house generator on propane plus in the summer I don’t have a noisy air conditioner outside but it’s as cold as I want it inside in the summer and I keep my house at 70° in the winter. I have 1 bill a month electric, the propane is at 60% filled it up 6years ago also use it for a converted stove.
On the electric bill is a 2600sq ft home 40x60 pole barn and three car garage the bill averages out to $120.00 a month both barn and garage are work shops. The geothermal was $15,000 to install in 2016 closed loop getting 14% back on the rebate program.
Yes you really do have to consider all your heating and cooling options by cost and labor and sacrifices your willing to make in your lifestyle. Plus if I’m not mistaken this video shows his system needs electricity as well as wood to function so there is a cost in that aspect as far as the electric bill is concerned and without a generator for backup power in a power outage situation well that’s another thing to consider in which system will work for your home.
I just found you on here and I'm impressed! I like your style and like learning from older folks. Well older than me that is lol not calling you old!
Great video, God bless you and your family in Jesus name Amen! Stay warm.
Been to a friend church in Cherry valley. Saw billboards for that shop. My broinlaw built his own from an old wood stove.
Hi Joe - it's Big Rodders in Ireland. I have heated totally by wood since retirement nearly 20 years ago. Like you, I consider it is free heat. I burn 8 cords a year, which takes me say 10 days to process but heck, everybody needs a hobby. I split for a guy who also provides my wood in addition to paying me, I buck logs for another guy and sharpen chains for a third fellow. My firewood hobby provides me all my heat and say $3000 pocket money annually, down from circa $25k when I stopped processing 150 cords a year in 2017 - due to my wonky right knee!
It sounds like you see things the same as I. I get a number of agitated commenters pointing out that my "free" isn't free as if they are some spectacularly talented accountant!
Another great video Joe ! I agree with you about sorting out all the ugly firewood and not delivering it to your customers. I heat my barn with the rejects. I get almost no shorts/cookies in my process. Years ago I started making 20-22", 24", and 30" firewood for the customers with huge fireplaces. Long firewood is faster to make and minimizes short cutoffs. Longer firewood also sells for a higher price because nobody does it, and has it available and dry.
Interesting to hear. I used to deal with this one guy up the road that had 24" wood he made for a customer. The customer never came to get it and noone else would buy it LOL
i miss my wood furnace. i built my own took me a full yr but loved it.
I have had my Hardy since 1988 . Just keep Chlorine water out of the water tank and keep it from boiling the water and it will last . A few years ago I found a used H2 that had been used very little . That's my backup if something happens to the original one .I have always told people interested in having one. It's best if u cut your own wood . That was a deal breaker for most everyone. Lol
Thank you for making thus video. Can you provide website or contact info where you bought your furnace. Very much appreciated
TACO is a Brand Name Joe...LOL.
A freeze protection is to leave the Pumps running 24/7 Moving Water will not Freeze (to a Point)
Mine ruining 24/7 keeps the water Hot at the Domestic Water Heat exchanger and uses the Temperature differential to move Water with out the Circ Pump running on the Tank side. I turned on the Pump once to get the Water moving, and it has been off since then. My flat Plate Heat Exchanger is near the Floor and gets a lot of thermal Gain from the Boiler Water to get it flowing through the System
50 year old Knee's LOL Mine are 62. I am raising My Wood Stove up 2 Courses of Concrete block to lessen the Kneeling down to put Wood in.
Mike M.
Some Hardy owners leave their pumps running 24/7. I have mine set up for demand. Thanks for the nice post Mike. Sounds like you have a nice system set up
The new 'boilers' are much more efficient and create much less pollution (them particles are killers). Pollution is reduced twice, far less wood is burned and the wood which is burned creates less pollution so the net reduction can be something like 70% (almost no smoke for your neighbors). Get a new gasification unit, helps both of us.
Woodruff woods did a nice, comprehensive list last week, comparing the cost of different kinds of wood species to normal heating, both in energy density and price for his cut and seasoned firewood. According to his numbers, even then, firewood is almost always cheaper. Of course, energy price and firewood prices vary from region, season and in time. So always do your own calculations.
And that is where I let a lot of people down is I don't make calculations like that. I spent 22 + Years at work doing that stuff so I am rebelling against it with OWB LOL.
I heat my house, it NE PA, with a woodstove insert I installed in the livingroom fireplace 14 years ago. I have an all-electric house with ceiling-radient heating. I can heat the house solely with wood if I use two floor fans to move the air around. I cut less than three cords of wood a year. I have my own land so the wood is free except for the cost of cutting it.
Sounds like you have a nice system Sergeant Major! .
Does the boiler have to set outside? You have to go in and out alot in winter to fill it? So much wood seems not very efficient.
I built my own system and heat my home and 2 car garage (1670sq ft) on 4 cord a year in NW Ohio. Mine is a wood burner with a self designed heat exchanger with duct work and thermostatically controlled fans. That said, the best investment I made was 14 inches of insulation in the attic and new windows. The only issue I have is having to refuel the stove every 3.5 hours which was a sacrifice for making the system efficient.
water stoves kinda suck. ive had a couple for many years, definitely a situation circumstance. u sure right they go though wood. clean heat ,no smoke inside ect.
I burn wood from my land in UK but my gas bill is mostly service charges not the gas I did burn for water heating. They put the service charge up so much that it dwarves the usage.😊
I watched your video on free heat and everything you said is true. I've had a boiler since 06.
You cant beat wood heat!
Hmmm ....what about purchases of chainsaws, gas/oil, sharpener, maintenance, trailer purchase to haul wood, gas and travel to the woods, pick up truck purchase, log splitter purchase, materials to build wood sheds, perhaps and ATV to move wood around the property and then the burning unit itself. Not counting labour cutting trees, then rounds then loading then unloading then splitting then stacking then going out twice a day in the cold to reload the burner.....there has to be a price attached to all that.
Im very impressed I wish I had a furnace like that with no gas bill this is a good video.
Great vid! Bates Distributors in Philadelphia Mississippi is now handling the OEM parts if you did not know. although you can get all the replacement parts at a supply house, probably cheaper if you know what youre looking for. If you go to a plumbing supply house, make sure you know the actual names of the parts you need before hand, you'll get better help from the people there.
Great video Joe. I’m curious, coldest night of the winter how long will the fire burn in between trips out there? Will it go the whole night? Thank you. Stay safe.
Yes it will bob. I will fill it up around 9pm before I go to bed and it is still with a good amount come morning.
I had an Empyre Cozeburn for 14 winters. Burned around 12 cords a year. I sold it and bought a Crown Royal MP 7300. Now I burn around 8 cords a year and the house is warmer. It will pay for itself in 4 or 5 years.
I saw them at the Paul Bunyan. They look really neat.
It's a very nice set up Joe. It's very like my internal stove. It does my hot water which then pumps round my radiators and keeps doing that while the fires on and you are right the warmest water the deepest hottest baths in my area. And like u mine is definitely hungry. I try to get all my wood for free because it doesn't care what u feed it. 🏴👍
Very well said Mike. If it fits in the door, in it goes!
@@ohiowoodburner yep stove don't care if it's rotten or covered in mushrooms or isn't perfect it just wants fed. I actually keep a small stock of slightly damper firewood that I can put on at night to keep it ticking through the night. 🏴👍
Central Boiler makes a very efficient outdoor boiler, however they are expensive to. Great show, thanks.
I looked at them when I bought this and they were WAY too pricey for me! They seem to be the most popular unit out my way however. Still there are a lot of Hardy's out here
I left Corp life too, the stress would have ended my life, i heat with wood costs me 500 a year , less my labour , Good video, yer a good man
Joe do you know on average how much wood you do use per winter. #2 is your house well insulated? I think that it is worth cutting ,splitting wood to heat your home. 1 your cleaning out the dead wood , your getting good exercise and at my age 71 that’s important. Its enjoyable. Now if I didn’t have 40 acres of woods and live in a subdivision I would agree wholeheartedly. My furnace is in my garage is a hot air furnace and is very efficient and has a hot water coil and I turn off my water heater. Dont forget you are writing off your expense’s
Hi Greg. I prob go thru 10-12 cords a year but my burning season is a little shorter than most. We burn between Halloween and Easter. Our house is well insulated. Had I the chance to do this all over again I would have used the expensive insulated pipe underground. I made my own and it is not very good LOL
What's the names of the wood boiler that requires no or very li electricity and what about a Central Boiler ? Because it might be useful if a power outage ?
Really enjoyed this video, no BS just straight facts , I Love my Lopi (Inside) wood stove, I guess that will be the next thing "UNCLE" cuts saying the smoke is bad for the environment, actually this is under consideration, coal, Natural Gas, and other things are to be cut.