Yeah I will be, but to be honest he's pretty boring to play right now. All these heroes have been getting reworks and much more exciting movesets whilst tiandi stays outdated
really like new font and I think overall quality of your videos are better. Also orochi now is very fast and flexibile if playing right like you always do. ;) Wonder why kick makes sword sound..? Best part is that delflect stop hyper armor. How many times would rider trade much more damage without it this change...
I really enjoy this rework, but goddamn is it oppressive to fight. Recovery cancel on the kick has got to go, it makes for the first entirely unpunishable bash that has ever been in this game, not even Warlord or BP is this bad. Apart from that he's pretty good, but imo storm rush should be slightly slower (maybe like 50-100ms longer) since it's an omnidirectional undodgeable heavy that does 20 damage and gets dodge frames at the start if you go backwards. The only way to counter it is to spastically press light whenever the orochi dodges forward, but if he kicks or does a forward dodge light then his attack hits first so it's just another layer of guess. The only thing it can be closely compared to in terms of speed and use is Zhanhu's dodge attacks, but those A) are only bidirectional, B) deal 9 damage, not 20, C) can be dodged, and C) count as light parries whereas storm rush is a heavy. Yet storm rush is the same speed as Zhanhu's dodge attacks iirc. If they slow storm rush down a little bit and remove the ability to recovery cancel into a dodge after a kick, I think he should be in a really good spot where has lots of offensive capability and flow but it isn't literally always his turn like the way it is right now. Great video as always, this is a great showcase of all the really fun parts of new Orochi (and also the parts that probably need some tuning lol).
you need to use a delayed dodge attack to beat the bash. if he does cancel to dodge it will be too early and he'll get hit by dodge attack. if he doesnt cancel he misses his cancel window and will get hit by the dodge attack.
@@themacca277 With dodge attacks that are undodgeable (so another Orochi, a Berzerker, or a Tiandi), this is true. But with dodgeable dodge attacks, the Orochi won't be able to deflect the delayed dodge attack but he can instead just do a normal dodge light and it'll avoid the delayed dodge attack. And besides, not every dodge attack is delayable. Gryphon, Aramusha, Kyoshin, Hitokiri and probably a few others that I'm forgetting can't do that, nor can BP, Centurion, Warlord, Highlander, or Jormungandr because they just don't get dodge attacks at all. There's really no defending the recovery cancel after a bash, it's just busted and doesn't have a place in this game. Zhanhu's was already pretty strong in the hands of a really good player but Orochi's recovery cancels are 130ms faster so it's waaaay easier for him to counter someone else's counter than it is for Zhanhu. Either the recovery cancels need to be slowed back down to Zhanhu's level like they were on the testing grounds (which everyone complained about), or they just need to flat-out remove the ability to recover cancel after the kick.
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Man the Orochi is basically a better Tiandi than Tiandi himself now
Much better yes
Unfortunately, you think they’ll nerf orochi or buff Tiandi?
Will you upload more Tiandi fights again? 😞
Yeah I will be, but to be honest he's pretty boring to play right now. All these heroes have been getting reworks and much more exciting movesets whilst tiandi stays outdated
@@PrinceYasuke In an unfair way or is he just plain old boring?
Boring and also not very strong
really like new font and I think overall quality of your videos are better.
Also orochi now is very fast and flexibile if playing right like you always do. ;) Wonder why kick makes sword sound..?
Best part is that delflect stop hyper armor. How many times would rider trade much more damage without it this change...
As an Orochi main, this is nice to see. But being realistic, I realize that he will eventually get nerfed in the near future.
I'm loving how they're pushing heros to be more aggressive.
He's definitely getting nerfed lol. Great video as per usual
I think it's just his bash recovery to dodge that needs a nerf
@@PrinceYasuke I agree
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@@PrinceYasuke no it doesnt lol it's not that oppressive, just a mild annoyance.
They should buff Nuxia and Shaolin next. They are barely viable.
Jorm needs to be next
Crazy still seeing people option selecting. Gotta unlearn the muscle memory lol
How long did it take you to get that horkos chest piece?
I dont really remember...I just kinda had it in my unlocked customizations already
with each rework lawbringer grows more and more pointless to play
Same for jorm, valk, shaolin etc
@@PrinceYasuke this deeply depresses me.
Rework is here? I though it still testing cause i don't see the Shinobi rework 😐
Only Shino is back to TG
@@maotsetiandi974, oh ok, thanks! 👍
I really enjoy this rework, but goddamn is it oppressive to fight. Recovery cancel on the kick has got to go, it makes for the first entirely unpunishable bash that has ever been in this game, not even Warlord or BP is this bad. Apart from that he's pretty good, but imo storm rush should be slightly slower (maybe like 50-100ms longer) since it's an omnidirectional undodgeable heavy that does 20 damage and gets dodge frames at the start if you go backwards. The only way to counter it is to spastically press light whenever the orochi dodges forward, but if he kicks or does a forward dodge light then his attack hits first so it's just another layer of guess. The only thing it can be closely compared to in terms of speed and use is Zhanhu's dodge attacks, but those A) are only bidirectional, B) deal 9 damage, not 20, C) can be dodged, and C) count as light parries whereas storm rush is a heavy. Yet storm rush is the same speed as Zhanhu's dodge attacks iirc. If they slow storm rush down a little bit and remove the ability to recovery cancel into a dodge after a kick, I think he should be in a really good spot where has lots of offensive capability and flow but it isn't literally always his turn like the way it is right now. Great video as always, this is a great showcase of all the really fun parts of new Orochi (and also the parts that probably need some tuning lol).
you need to use a delayed dodge attack to beat the bash. if he does cancel to dodge it will be too early and he'll get hit by dodge attack. if he doesnt cancel he misses his cancel window and will get hit by the dodge attack.
@@themacca277 With dodge attacks that are undodgeable (so another Orochi, a Berzerker, or a Tiandi), this is true. But with dodgeable dodge attacks, the Orochi won't be able to deflect the delayed dodge attack but he can instead just do a normal dodge light and it'll avoid the delayed dodge attack. And besides, not every dodge attack is delayable. Gryphon, Aramusha, Kyoshin, Hitokiri and probably a few others that I'm forgetting can't do that, nor can BP, Centurion, Warlord, Highlander, or Jormungandr because they just don't get dodge attacks at all.
There's really no defending the recovery cancel after a bash, it's just busted and doesn't have a place in this game. Zhanhu's was already pretty strong in the hands of a really good player but Orochi's recovery cancels are 130ms faster so it's waaaay easier for him to counter someone else's counter than it is for Zhanhu. Either the recovery cancels need to be slowed back down to Zhanhu's level like they were on the testing grounds (which everyone complained about), or they just need to flat-out remove the ability to recover cancel after the kick.
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