Huge NaDa fan. A little after my time, I started watching maybe late 07/08 and he had his bonjwa years 2004-2006ish. He had a heck of a run in an MSL I think it was quite a few years after his retirement and he made top 8 or something, I was cheering hard for grandpa Terran and I became a fan. Small nitpick, you mentioned NaDa was the first macro Terran, that's actually oov who they literally nicknamed "cheater Terran" for the number of units he'd have. NaDa is more known for being incredibly smart, having great game sense and driving the meta, and for being incredibly good despite not practicing much, a natural. Stylistically he's very much in that macro vein though, continuing the trend from oov to NaDa and finally to Flash. Thanks for the vid.
Nada showed us that an economy/macro based play-style with solid fundamentals will almost always beat out a micro based play-style in the long run. ooV showed us how to do it better. But Nada was first.
I would LOVE like LOVE to see a mental game talked through with somebody like Flash and Maru talking through the T side of the projected game. And another group doing the Zerg or Toss ^^
Love the point about APM. Maybe I'm saying too much about something super basic, but when I first started playing, my APM went up only after my understanding of what the heck I was supposed to even be building/doing at any particular time improved. It's hard to get faster if you don't even know what exactly you are even trying to do quickly. To use an extreme example with Zerg: A normal person like me can have 400 apm if the only thing I am doing is tapping s-d s-d s-d over and over again. But I am going to have to build an Overlord at some point... And if I don't know when to build that Overlord so that I don't get supply blocked then, all the APM in the world is not going to get me more drones if the only "actions" I use are mouse click hatch and keyboard stroke s-d.
Thank you for doing this! Becomes much easier to digest for ppl like me - who just played with friends every once in a while as a kid - cos you understand a lot of it thru firsthand experience
What I've never understood is why SC pro maps aren't ever designed without a cross spawn position at all, rather every base is equidistant (equilateral triangle spawns). If so much hinges on figuring out (or guessing) whether your oppo is cross spawn or not, why not remove that RNG from at least some maps? Or what about pentagonal spawn positions but the game is simply programmed to prevent two players from spawning adjacent?
Great question. To my knowledge there HAVE been 3 player maps in the past, like in the last or 2nd to last OSL, can't remember which. I recall the eventual protoss winner (JangBi was it?) beat Flash in it.
Is this just an artifact of the subtitles or why do they seem to talk as if they're talking to each other in 3rd person? For example "... what I saw when I saw FlaSh do this is ...", an english speaker would more likely say ".. what I saw when *you* did this ...".
@canadianbakn my korean is not the best, but i think it is literaly translation. They are saying eachothers real life names during their sentences and "flash" or "nada" will be subtitled
![Pros React to FlaSh's ASL10 Random Debut (ASL10 Group Stage) [subbed]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/WH0i3ABlF_4/mqdefault.jpg)
Wow... they know every single intricacies of this game that gives me all these micro-edges that add up to a win. Amazing.
This thumbnail is the ultimate catfish
lol, why is that thumbnail a thing.
An alternative timeline where Nick isn’t a nerd boss but is a gym bro?
Yeah man these ai thumbs are so boring
Huge NaDa fan. A little after my time, I started watching maybe late 07/08 and he had his bonjwa years 2004-2006ish. He had a heck of a run in an MSL I think it was quite a few years after his retirement and he made top 8 or something, I was cheering hard for grandpa Terran and I became a fan.
Small nitpick, you mentioned NaDa was the first macro Terran, that's actually oov who they literally nicknamed "cheater Terran" for the number of units he'd have. NaDa is more known for being incredibly smart, having great game sense and driving the meta, and for being incredibly good despite not practicing much, a natural. Stylistically he's very much in that macro vein though, continuing the trend from oov to NaDa and finally to Flash. Thanks for the vid.
Nada I think revolutionized double command centre, and iloveoov revolutionized the next phase, getting up to 3, 4 bases
Nada showed us that an economy/macro based play-style with solid fundamentals will almost always beat out a micro based play-style in the long run. ooV showed us how to do it better. But Nada was first.
You still didn't respond about accusing me of a strawman
Nada was my favorite Terran back in the days
I would LOVE like LOVE to see a mental game talked through with somebody like Flash and Maru talking through the T side of the projected game. And another group doing the Zerg or Toss ^^
What mental game?
I Flash. I win.
God knows Last uses only 3 barracks hotkeys because he tends to tech on 3 rax. Damn, he knows everything about the 3 races and the players
LOVED hearing these 3 talk about concepts, timings and hotkeys.
Oh my God... Flash really is the ultimate weapon. Thank you for bringing this discussion to your viewers Tasteless!!
I only ever got to see nada play against larva in asl a few years back and it was exciting with the nuke strategy. Wish hed come back for more
Love the point about APM. Maybe I'm saying too much about something super basic, but when I first started playing, my APM went up only after my understanding of what the heck I was supposed to even be building/doing at any particular time improved. It's hard to get faster if you don't even know what exactly you are even trying to do quickly. To use an extreme example with Zerg: A normal person like me can have 400 apm if the only thing I am doing is tapping s-d s-d s-d over and over again. But I am going to have to build an Overlord at some point... And if I don't know when to build that Overlord so that I don't get supply blocked then, all the APM in the world is not going to get me more drones if the only "actions" I use are mouse click hatch and keyboard stroke s-d.
I honestly fucking love this stuff. Keep making these.
Thank you for doing this! Becomes much easier to digest for ppl like me - who just played with friends every once in a while as a kid - cos you understand a lot of it thru firsthand experience
flash just casually insulting mong
This is the kinda content Starcraft is missing conversations about the game.
flash knowing about traffic problems is insane
gosh I need god back in ASL!!
What I've never understood is why SC pro maps aren't ever designed without a cross spawn position at all, rather every base is equidistant (equilateral triangle spawns). If so much hinges on figuring out (or guessing) whether your oppo is cross spawn or not, why not remove that RNG from at least some maps? Or what about pentagonal spawn positions but the game is simply programmed to prevent two players from spawning adjacent?
Great question. To my knowledge there HAVE been 3 player maps in the past, like in the last or 2nd to last OSL, can't remember which. I recall the eventual protoss winner (JangBi was it?) beat Flash in it.
Longinus was a 3 spawn map iirc
need more of such content, what a treat!
Amazing insight this is great, thanks for sharing or I would have missed it
very cool video, hope to see flash back soon. and nada too why not
the thumbnails are hilarious
nada wasnt too bad in sc2 either. If I remember he had some surprising wins above his weight class at the time back in WoL
Starcraft, Chess, and a 1v1 Sword duel are the only places nerds think more than 2 moves ahead. LOL
I just clicked because the thumbnail is so sick
Liked this type of content 👍🏼👍🏼
When two bonjwas are talking, you better listen, especially when one of them is God.
Any news when Flash is coming back to asl?
Great content
great content!!
Genius.
verry much
Flash is retired?
No military service. Word on the street is he's back this summer/fall. Don't know when he's entering ASL again.
@@canadianbaknhis service was completed may 2023.
Is this just an artifact of the subtitles or why do they seem to talk as if they're talking to each other in 3rd person? For example "... what I saw when I saw FlaSh do this is ...", an english speaker would more likely say ".. what I saw when *you* did this ...".
I don't know if it's a literal translation or not but jinjin may be doing it to help track who is speaking. Korean is a fast language.
@canadianbakn my korean is not the best, but i think it is literaly translation. They are saying eachothers real life names during their sentences and "flash" or "nada" will be subtitled
man, these AI thumbnails are pretty cringe