For me, this bag is dedicated for the Grey Man , mostly at urban environment. I believe that can also cary inside a water pouch. My only issue , is the upside-down velcro pockets. These are useless, except packing a rolled raincoat. Other than that, this is a nice back pack , with good design, that keeps you under the radar doing your job. Good review my friend.
Between the Stealth or the 5.11 Lv18 wich one would you choose, I want to buy one of this 2 bags but have no idea which one to buy. I want a grayman backpack so both are good bags, please let me know your opinión I saw also the lv18 reviews you made. Will use it for my office, gym etc thank you
Hi Aaron, I would love to hear your "long term" feedback on this bag. I have come back to this video a few times as the price in Aus works out to 120 with shipping but I can get 511 bags for under 200 including their stealth bag. I love the look and features of this bag over 511 stealth and Rush Series but some comments highlighting the lower grade Polyester over Nylon has me concerned along with the higher price tag. I have the 511 Lv13 and love it but there are time I just want a backpack to for overnight travel or a day out with the family. Laptop carry is handy and I don't like the Rush 12 style of it being hidden in the back.
Purchased this right after posting a comment on your other video asking if you were going to review it and don’t regret it at all! It’s my new edc/work bag and holds everything I used to carry in my vertx commuter sling 2.0 in addition to my old work bag. My main issue with the vertx was definitely the lack of bottle pockets. Great review!
most useful looking pack i have seen in a while. Much better than the low profile line maxpedition tried to come out with a few years ago and at the always awesome lapg price.
This pack looks pretty awesome and I've been considering picking it up. It's really hard for me to pick up anything other than Vertx. The selling point for this pack is the velvro on the back panel. Gotta have that in any bag i pick up to use.
This fits my large body better. Though this is a big set up in LAPG quality the Vanquest will still have a little leg up. But this is larger and more organization and space
How are the shoulder straps, are they very comfortable to wear all day 🤔 Why the grab handle runs back and forth instead of side ways? And you said, " It's water resistant." does that includes rain proof, like hard rain?
1. Should straps good for several hour carry. 2. No idea on the grab handles 3. The water beads up and does not immediately soak into the fabric. Not waterproof.
G'day Aaron, like this one a LOT !!! particularly for a "grey man" around town job and/or vehicle bag. Cant beat a full clam shell in conjunction with proper organistion IMO. Materials and price hold up too. I do like an integral rain cover and at least the ability to attach a waist belt, but not a deal breaker for its design and size. To be honest I don"t really need it with what I already have, but it ticks so many boxes, I may well pull the trigger anyway. Thanks for showing it mate. Cheers Duke.
Last LAPG bag I bought was a waste of money! Fabric started to fray at the seams in several locations after just a few months. Bought a 5.11 Rush bag and never looked back, so much head and shoulders value and quality above LAPG gear and still looks like new after several years of constant hard use. So...unless LAPG has seriously raised the bar on their quality, I would advise folks to use caution before buying their products. Buy once, cry once...in other words spend the money needed to buy good quality the first time around. I would look at spending my money on 5.11 or Maxpedition gear before anything from LAPG. Just my opinion...
Thank you for sharing your experience Tim. Good food for thought. I will say that it my LAPG range bag has been holding up really well over the last year. Carry’s my blades and gear I am currently testing all the time. The seams are sown well on these new models and the ykk zippers are nice to see. Obviously time will tell but first impressions are an obvious step up. 👍
Hello, New to your channel and I really enjoy your reviews and really respect how you give the good and bad on whatever product that you are reviewing (don't see that to often). Your reviews are on point and I've already purchased some items based solely on your reviews. Thank you (my wife and my bank account is screaming). P.s. I really enjoy the couch in my garage
Hey Chris thanks for watching and glad it is help you out and that you enjoy the content. Really means a lot to hear from viewers like u. Plus welcome to the GT family.
Epic water bottle pockets. I wish the waste of space underneath them was a hidden zippered pocket or completely absent though and the bottle pockets went to the bottom of the bag. Also the polymer bottom does not expand very far up the front panel there .. 🤔 Thanks for the review!
This might sound a bit personal, but what is your height? I ask because I often have challenges with sternum retention clasps myself and seeing this one have to go to the very end for you could induce the same problem I've had with other ones. BTW, I'm 5'9" thanks.
LAPG always seem to have a love child with 5.11 and/or Maxpedition and always come out with something more affordable. But the strongest traits remain: YKK Zippers.
Aaron thanks for this man! I’ve been hunting for a bag like this as my bugout bag; loads of organisation, well built, low key (gray man factor) and not very expensive. If it had the yoke style shoulder straps (like the 5.11 rush series) I’d be throwing my money at LAPG haha! Cheers buddy!
Thanks for giving such a good look at this bag, I've been waiting for someone to to review it since it posted on LAPG's website. My 5.11 AMP24 32L does a lot of what this bag does well, but some features are a little better. Tough call.
Very good Gideon, looks like an interesting pack at a good price. I bought a Mystery Ranch Coulee 25 on your recommendation and am happy with it. God bless and hang in there.
Nice pack. It looks to be a well made, well thought out backpack. I personally think grey man makes no sense. Like you said, it doesn't make you look like you know what yer doing. To me, that means, you look like a target. Most people won't mess with the guy that looks like he knows what he's doing. Even others that also know what they are doing, will target the ones that look like they don't know what they are doing, first.
It depends who you're trying to avoid being targeted by. Different criminals target different people. Those who target the weak are usually very weak themselves. If you're capable then those kind of people aren't going to be a problem. They're cowards and aren't likely to have any real kind of skills. The whole grey man idea is to avoid being remembered by the people who will hunt you down or target you fo your gear. Aka the more dangerous type of people. The kind who may already be well-armed or have large numbers. If you stand out because you're carrying nice stuff you may as well be advertising all of your nice gear to be taken. Where grey man applies the most is in places you're unfamiliar with an need to blend in, places where you won't have backup and want to fly under the radar to avoid confrontation. It's exactly why I think it's incredibly stupid to walk around open carrying in public, or wearing blatantly obvious branded clothing or clothing styles for well-known tactical gear companies.
@@DevDog67 if your carrying a nice new expensive pack, it's not going to matter if your grey man or not, you're still going to be a target. It's more about if they think you can defend yourself.
@@randyyeager that's exactly why I'm not a huge fan of bags that look all techie like this one. It's not grey man. I realize that some people think it is, but it's absolutely not. Like I said earlier, the point of grey man is low profile. Techie gear may be low profile in certain areas, on college campuses and other places where people carry around laptop backpacks on the norm. But I agree that it's absolutely not able to blend in everywhere. Everyone has their own preferences. But I still don't think it's smart to show your cards in public. There's a very big difference between being tactical Timmy in public and appearing to be a hard target.
@@DevDog67 I don't think having a military pack is showing your cards. It just says, "I might have been in the military and likely have a gun, so don't mess with me." I don't have anything on the outside of my pack besides pouches that match my pack. I'm not showing my cards, just showing that I might have cards.
@@randyyeager military styled bags also have a lot higher chance of having good loot in them. If you're scoping out people to steal from I mean. If you wanna make yourself a hard target, don't use your bag to make yourself look like one. You yourself need to look like a dude people shouldn't mess with. Being big, in good shape, bearded, sunglasses, all of that works in your favor. Arm tattoos can infer than you're someone with a certain type of background, the kind you don't want to mess with. Clothes are part of it, but wearing tactical type clothes is again, not helping you. Wearing simple utilitarian clothes that fit a wide range of backgrounds that fit with the persona you're building is also a good thing.
Aaron, I have been a fan of your channel for a long time. I bought this pack based on your review, but I’ve had an issue with LAPG. I’ve never purchased anything from them before, so I don’t know how they do business…but it’s now been 13 days and I have not received my package. Using the Route app which they required me to download in order to get tracking information (gimme a f’n break), I am seeing no further information. It seems like they still just haven’t even shipped my package! What’s that about?! I have emailed them and received no response after several days. I am getting pretty upset at this point. I feel like I’m trying to get info from a black void here lol I know you don’t work at LAPG, but is there someone you have a contact with who might be able to help me? Like a real actual person who actually gives a crap, who you could put me in touch with?
Wow, I am sorry to hear that. I have a contact and will email him this exact comment you sent and see what he says. I am very sorry about that and any sponsors I allow on my channel I expect them to take care of you as part of the GT family. Send me an email at gideonstactical@gmail.com so you can send me the tracking info from you to pass it on. Again, I’m sorry about that and hopefully it’s just a fluke and I’ll do my best to get some answers.
If You think, this backpack is good - You, propably, never seen Helikon-Tex backpacks. With multipurpose adds for personal idea of creating own, ideal backpack. 👍😊
Good point, we got to get from point a-b and oftentimes have gear for work or play. Better to transport it in a low profile pack than in something that is all molle and tac out 👍
@@ylimehajile G'day Rick, hahaha, may well be an option mate, but certainly on the uncomfortable side. Depends on how you hang I guess, .........made my day mate. Cheers Duke.
@@gideonstactical Yeah, but who would you rather rob if you had a choice? The guy with a "tactical" back pack and pants with an operator beard or some dude rocking a JanSport pack. The choice is either a bag full of gloves, tender, fire materials and paracord vs the other with probably a MacBook Pro, Cannon Camera and a $1k drone. Criminals are not stupid.
I dig it. Just wish it didn’t have the logo sewn in.
I’d prefer a stitched on ‘’patch’’ or something like that that’s more easily removed.
For me, this bag is dedicated for the Grey Man , mostly at urban environment. I believe that can also cary inside a water pouch.
My only issue , is the upside-down velcro pockets. These are useless, except packing a rolled raincoat. Other than that, this is a nice back pack , with good design, that keeps you under the radar doing your job. Good review my friend.
Between the Stealth or the 5.11 Lv18 wich one would you choose, I want to buy one of this 2 bags but have no idea which one to buy. I want a grayman backpack so both are good bags, please let me know your opinión I saw also the lv18 reviews you made. Will use it for my office, gym etc thank you
Hi Aaron,
I would love to hear your "long term" feedback on this bag. I have come back to this video a few times as the price in Aus works out to 120 with shipping but I can get 511 bags for under 200 including their stealth bag. I love the look and features of this bag over 511 stealth and Rush Series but some comments highlighting the lower grade Polyester over Nylon has me concerned along with the higher price tag. I have the 511 Lv13 and love it but there are time I just want a backpack to for overnight travel or a day out with the family. Laptop carry is handy and I don't like the Rush 12 style of it being hidden in the back.
Purchased this right after posting a comment on your other video asking if you were going to review it and don’t regret it at all! It’s my new edc/work bag and holds everything I used to carry in my vertx commuter sling 2.0 in addition to my old work bag. My main issue with the vertx was definitely the lack of bottle pockets. Great review!
Ya water bottle pockets help a bunch
LAPG should make those straps a bit wider and thicker.
most useful looking pack i have seen in a while. Much better than the low profile line maxpedition tried to come out with a few years ago and at the always awesome lapg price.
Was thinking the same. That maxpedition range are way too expensive for me.
This pack looks pretty awesome and I've been considering picking it up. It's really hard for me to pick up anything other than Vertx. The selling point for this pack is the velvro on the back panel. Gotta have that in any bag i pick up to use.
Really nice looking pack! Thanks for sharing!
Do you like this or the Vanquest Addax better?
This fits my large body better. Though this is a big set up in LAPG quality the Vanquest will still have a little leg up. But this is larger and more organization and space
The back strap handle appears to be if you place a plate inside you can grab it as a shield.
That his a great observation.
How are the shoulder straps, are they very comfortable to wear all day 🤔
Why the grab handle runs back and forth instead of side ways?
And you said, " It's water resistant." does that includes rain proof, like hard rain?
1. Should straps good for several hour carry.
2. No idea on the grab handles
3. The water beads up and does not immediately soak into the fabric. Not waterproof.
@@gideonstactical thank, do plan to review on the LAPG'S SLING BACKPACK?
Love this design! Might have to replace my tried-n-true RUSH12...
Man, you are on fire lately! Just ordered this as well as that cool Civivi folder a while back. Almost like divine inspiration???
Thanks so much!
God is good 👍
G'day Aaron, like this one a LOT !!! particularly for a "grey man" around town job and/or vehicle bag. Cant beat a full clam shell in conjunction with proper organistion IMO. Materials and price hold up too.
I do like an integral rain cover and at least the ability to attach a waist belt, but not a deal breaker for its design and size.
To be honest I don"t really need it with what I already have, but it ticks so many boxes, I may well pull the trigger anyway. Thanks for showing it mate. Cheers Duke.
Repeat after me: There is no such thing as a "grey man".
@@papimaximus95 Hahaha, get your point mate, but you tell my beard that ; )
This bag is amazing for all it does!! Wonderful review, I want one! Don’t need it….but I may grab one….ALL YOUR FAULT! Lol
I like the rubber bottom but is isn't 400d kinda wimpy?
It is made of 400D polyester, not even nylon, so it’s not very durable in the long run. 5.11 Rush 2.0 backpacks are 1,050D nylon. Much more durable.
Last LAPG bag I bought was a waste of money! Fabric started to fray at the seams in several locations after just a few months. Bought a 5.11 Rush bag and never looked back, so much head and shoulders value and quality above LAPG gear and still looks like new after several years of constant hard use. So...unless LAPG has seriously raised the bar on their quality, I would advise folks to use caution before buying their products. Buy once, cry once...in other words spend the money needed to buy good quality the first time around. I would look at spending my money on 5.11 or Maxpedition gear before anything from LAPG. Just my opinion...
Thank you for sharing your experience Tim. Good food for thought. I will say that it my LAPG range bag has been holding up really well over the last year. Carry’s my blades and gear I am currently testing all the time. The seams are sown well on these new models and the ykk zippers are nice to see. Obviously time will tell but first impressions are an obvious step up. 👍
Did yours have the YKK zippers? There may have add’l upgrades since your purchase. I’m looking at a Kelty tactical.
Hello,
New to your channel and I really enjoy your reviews and really respect how you give the good and bad on whatever product that you are reviewing (don't see that to often). Your reviews are on point and I've already purchased some items based solely on your reviews. Thank you (my wife and my bank account is screaming).
P.s. I really enjoy the couch in my garage
Hey Chris thanks for watching and glad it is help you out and that you enjoy the content. Really means a lot to hear from viewers like u. Plus welcome to the GT family.
Epic water bottle pockets. I wish the waste of space underneath them was a hidden zippered pocket or completely absent though and the bottle pockets went to the bottom of the bag. Also the polymer bottom does not expand very far up the front panel there .. 🤔 Thanks for the review!
Glad to help
Thanks, Aaron. This whole series is hot to me!
This might sound a bit personal, but what is your height? I ask because I often have challenges with sternum retention clasps myself and seeing this one have to go to the very end for you could induce the same problem I've had with other ones. BTW, I'm 5'9" thanks.
Ya sorry I am 6ft 2in and 215lbs
@@gideonstactical Super thanks, and great overview!
I like your pants and the plaid jacket you are wearing ! What brand are they and where did you get them ?
Columbia jacket and proof pants
Is it waterproof or water resistant? I may have missed that segment of you brought it up already
Water resistant 👍
Great video nice bag . What knife is that hanging on the wall is that a Tops Operator
Tops steel eagle delta class 👍
Wow. Going after Vertx now!!
Was that color the heather black or heather gray? too bad they are oos.
LAPG always seem to have a love child with 5.11 and/or Maxpedition and always come out with something more affordable. But the strongest traits remain: YKK Zippers.
Great review. I was looking into this backpack.
What is the knife that was In the pass through back pocket?
The tops szabo express. I did a video on it about a month ago
Aaron thanks for this man! I’ve been hunting for a bag like this as my bugout bag; loads of organisation, well built, low key (gray man factor) and not very expensive. If it had the yoke style shoulder straps (like the 5.11 rush series) I’d be throwing my money at LAPG haha! Cheers buddy!
Great review! Thanks for your thoughtful commentary.
For sure!!
Thanks for watching and you enjoyed it.
How does it compare to the Vertex Gamut?
Thanks for giving such a good look at this bag, I've been waiting for someone to to review it since it posted on LAPG's website. My 5.11 AMP24 32L does a lot of what this bag does well, but some features are a little better. Tough call.
Add the Vertex Gamut to your list.
@@MrLlama999 I've heard good things about it. What's the comfort of the back harness like for something like bike commuting?
Does the handle between the back panels fit over wheelie bag retractable handles?
Very good Gideon, looks like an interesting pack at a good price. I bought a Mystery Ranch Coulee 25 on your recommendation and am happy with it. God bless and hang in there.
I recently purchased the atlas 12 hr bag and I am very surprised with the quality considering the cost of the bag.
Great video keep them coming
Hi what is this for a knive at the wooden Wall?
Tops knives steel eagle did a video a few years ago on it.
Great thx from Germany
Are the SEAMS SEALED ?
Yo where can I get a gideon's velcro patch?
Coming this year
Has anyone determined if this is passable as 'carry on' for domestic flights?
Nice pack. It looks to be a well made, well thought out backpack. I personally think grey man makes no sense. Like you said, it doesn't make you look like you know what yer doing. To me, that means, you look like a target. Most people won't mess with the guy that looks like he knows what he's doing. Even others that also know what they are doing, will target the ones that look like they don't know what they are doing, first.
It depends who you're trying to avoid being targeted by.
Different criminals target different people.
Those who target the weak are usually very weak themselves. If you're capable then those kind of people aren't going to be a problem. They're cowards and aren't likely to have any real kind of skills.
The whole grey man idea is to avoid being remembered by the people who will hunt you down or target you fo your gear. Aka the more dangerous type of people. The kind who may already be well-armed or have large numbers. If you stand out because you're carrying nice stuff you may as well be advertising all of your nice gear to be taken.
Where grey man applies the most is in places you're unfamiliar with an need to blend in, places where you won't have backup and want to fly under the radar to avoid confrontation.
It's exactly why I think it's incredibly stupid to walk around open carrying in public, or wearing blatantly obvious branded clothing or clothing styles for well-known tactical gear companies.
@@DevDog67 if your carrying a nice new expensive pack, it's not going to matter if your grey man or not, you're still going to be a target. It's more about if they think you can defend yourself.
@@randyyeager that's exactly why I'm not a huge fan of bags that look all techie like this one.
It's not grey man. I realize that some people think it is, but it's absolutely not.
Like I said earlier, the point of grey man is low profile. Techie gear may be low profile in certain areas, on college campuses and other places where people carry around laptop backpacks on the norm. But I agree that it's absolutely not able to blend in everywhere.
Everyone has their own preferences. But I still don't think it's smart to show your cards in public. There's a very big difference between being tactical Timmy in public and appearing to be a hard target.
@@DevDog67 I don't think having a military pack is showing your cards. It just says, "I might have been in the military and likely have a gun, so don't mess with me." I don't have anything on the outside of my pack besides pouches that match my pack. I'm not showing my cards, just showing that I might have cards.
@@randyyeager military styled bags also have a lot higher chance of having good loot in them. If you're scoping out people to steal from I mean.
If you wanna make yourself a hard target, don't use your bag to make yourself look like one. You yourself need to look like a dude people shouldn't mess with. Being big, in good shape, bearded, sunglasses, all of that works in your favor. Arm tattoos can infer than you're someone with a certain type of background, the kind you don't want to mess with. Clothes are part of it, but wearing tactical type clothes is again, not helping you. Wearing simple utilitarian clothes that fit a wide range of backgrounds that fit with the persona you're building is also a good thing.
Aaron, I have been a fan of your channel for a long time. I bought this pack based on your review, but I’ve had an issue with LAPG. I’ve never purchased anything from them before, so I don’t know how they do business…but it’s now been 13 days and I have not received my package.
Using the Route app which they required me to download in order to get tracking information (gimme a f’n break), I am seeing no further information. It seems like they still just haven’t even shipped my package! What’s that about?!
I have emailed them and received no response after several days. I am getting pretty upset at this point. I feel like I’m trying to get info from a black void here lol
I know you don’t work at LAPG, but is there someone you have a contact with who might be able to help me? Like a real actual person who actually gives a crap, who you could put me in touch with?
Wow, I am sorry to hear that. I have a contact and will email him this exact comment you sent and see what he says. I am very sorry about that and any sponsors I allow on my channel I expect them to take care of you as part of the GT family. Send me an email at gideonstactical@gmail.com so you can send me the tracking info from you to pass it on. Again, I’m sorry about that and hopefully it’s just a fluke and I’ll do my best to get some answers.
@@gideonstactical thank you, I just sent an email. Hope you’re having a nice day!
If You think, this backpack is good - You, propably, never seen Helikon-Tex backpacks. With multipurpose adds for personal idea of creating own, ideal backpack. 👍😊
Nice backpack gmd !
nice pack !
if you can see it it isnt stealth lol..any backpack wearing or carrying person is a target , it means you are carrying valuables lol
Truth
Good point, we got to get from point a-b and oftentimes have gear for work or play. Better to transport it in a low profile pack than in something that is all molle and tac out 👍
G'day Michael, fair enough mate, if you can fit everything in clothing pockets good luck to you. ; )
Cheers Duke
@@ylimehajile G'day Rick, hahaha, may well be an option mate, but certainly on the uncomfortable side. Depends on how you hang I guess, .........made my day mate. Cheers Duke.
@@gideonstactical Yeah, but who would you rather rob if you had a choice? The guy with a "tactical" back pack and pants with an operator beard or some dude rocking a JanSport pack. The choice is either a bag full of gloves, tender, fire materials and paracord vs the other with probably a MacBook Pro, Cannon Camera and a $1k drone. Criminals are not stupid.
Mr Tacticool....the handle on the back is a pass through loop to stow it on rolling luggage. Take care "Patriot" lol