@@Kaboombooactually, what cost her bronze was floor. She had a couple of very small errors on dance elements- in a code that was severely strict on them. Same exact thing happened in qualifying and team finals.
So beautiful. So elegant. She deserved better than a 9.650. And she deserved an all around medal also. The judges don't know great gymnastics, when they see it.
They know exactly what great gymnastics looks like. Her third skill in the first triple series was heavily rushed, triple twist dismount did not get all the way around and was rightly downgraded and deducted. Typical selfish Russian mentality.
@@saragrant9749 The rule was a skill needed to be more than 90 degrees short to be downgraded, this one isn't that far under. Definitely a big deduction, but the routine was pretty much flawless otherwise. It was stupid to do the Triple in the first place, the routine is already 10.0 start value with just a 2.5 twist dismount.
@@Zuranthiumthere were also a couple of breaks in what should have been continuous series. Any time an athlete showed a small hesitation before moving to the next element in a series, it was (rightly) considered a break in connection. With the 10 system that was a serious problem as it lowered start value. The USA’s Courtney McCool experienced that at those games. Bottom line? Anna didn’t get the bronze because her BARS were too weak. You can’t win an AA medal when you don’t maximize every aspect of each event- period.
I suspect the hesitations in between a couple of moves in series were what cost her in score. This was still a very good score given what people were in general getting.
I don't think she would've won gold in the beam final, but she probably could've tied for bronze. And I do believe she should've gotten bronze over Zhang Nan
Khorkina was totally underscored on vault - she nailed her Khorkina vault. However she was scored fairly on the rest of the events - she had a very nervy bars set, even more nervy beam set then she didn’t get her full difficulty on floor. If she had hit she would have won
I'm doing a video rescoring the AA, and I have this at a 9.7. I can easily see how some of the judges had it at 9.65. Nearly all the deductions come from the dismount. Perhaps two back-handsprings to a 2 1/2 would have been a better idea, but I'm unsure off the top of my head if that would have given her enough CV to start from a 10.
There was absolutely no stolen medal. She had errors here that cost her the medal- and a bars routine that was not strong enough. In Beijing it’s a laughable concept to think a brownze should have been given when her bars was TWO full points in value behind the medal winners.
Gorgeous routine, but I think the reason she didn't score higher is because of that slight pause after the full-twisting back handspring and she was a little short on the triple full at the end. She may have lost the bonus for not connecting that series and probably didn't get full credit for the dismount. Nitpicking, but I think that was the difference.
+intldawn She most certainly received credit for both her acro series and dismount here. The FIG/WTC's definition of a connection at that time allowed for non-dynamic rebounding such as Aerial - BHS to earn CV. Pavlova's 1/1 BHS was not dynamically connected to the BHS - LSO, but the series had continuous motion. She was perhaps deducted 10 for lack of rhythm in the connection. As for the dismount, gymnasts had to be short by quite a bit those days before downgrading kicked in. I imagine she lost .05 on the crossed legs, and .10 for the incomplete twist. I can't remember this COPs stance on the 1/1 BHS variations, but each was also a potential .05-.10 deduction.
It was a time , when the USSR was distroyed and russsian athletes was abused by judges USA was pushing hard to the first position Anna was very underscored Love Anna gymnastics, fee very sorry for her
Typical attitude of a country that got away with having control of the judges for decades and couldn’t find the way to have to actually perform at utmost to garner medals once that control was no longer a factor. You want medals? Try performing without mistakes, try taking fullest advantage of the code given! And try ditching the stuffy, uppity attitude.
I couldn't care less about difficulty start points and deductions - all pathetic! Anyone with eyes can see that this routine contains - no mistakes, great difficulty and graceful beauty! One of the last gymnasts that can genuinely call themselves an artistic gymnast!
How on earth did this routine not get at least a 9.7???? It's spectacular!
I don't think she got credit for the triple twist because it wasn't completed on the dismount. That cost her the bronze.
@@Kaboombooactually, what cost her bronze was floor. She had a couple of very small errors on dance elements- in a code that was severely strict on them. Same exact thing happened in qualifying and team finals.
So beautiful. So elegant. She deserved better than a 9.650. And she deserved an all around medal also. The judges don't know great gymnastics, when they see it.
They know exactly what great gymnastics looks like. Her third skill in the first triple series was heavily rushed, triple twist dismount did not get all the way around and was rightly downgraded and deducted. Typical selfish Russian mentality.
@@saragrant9749 more like American mentality 😂
@@RihannaCarlaMorganyou fools always think only your athletes deserve medals. Want them? EARN THEM. It’s not a hard concept.
@@saragrant9749 The rule was a skill needed to be more than 90 degrees short to be downgraded, this one isn't that far under. Definitely a big deduction, but the routine was pretty much flawless otherwise. It was stupid to do the Triple in the first place, the routine is already 10.0 start value with just a 2.5 twist dismount.
@@Zuranthiumthere were also a couple of breaks in what should have been continuous series. Any time an athlete showed a small hesitation before moving to the next element in a series, it was (rightly) considered a break in connection. With the 10 system that was a serious problem as it lowered start value. The USA’s Courtney McCool experienced that at those games. Bottom line? Anna didn’t get the bronze because her BARS were too weak. You can’t win an AA medal when you don’t maximize every aspect of each event- period.
She deserved a gold with her routine..
I suspect the hesitations in between a couple of moves in series were what cost her in score. This was still a very good score given what people were in general getting.
Without a medal, she has been memorable throughout the years and more to come. We will keep it alive forever and ever. She will be remembered!!! ❤
if she had done this exact performance she would have won gold. I do believe she deserved a medal
I don't think she would've won gold in the beam final, but she probably could've tied for bronze. And I do believe she should've gotten bronze over Zhang Nan
@@mht4908the difference for her was floor. She didn’t complete a couple of dance moves, and that code was super strict in that area.
The judges were too busy trying to hand Khorkina the gold to make up for Sydney they completely missed the great work of this Russian.
Such an underrated gymnast
Please. Khorkina wasn’t overscored at all in Athens. She was scored fairly.
@@ojk46 no she wasnt
@@josephqualtier961 where?
Khorkina was totally underscored on vault - she nailed her Khorkina vault.
However she was scored fairly on the rest of the events - she had a very nervy bars set, even more nervy beam set then she didn’t get her full difficulty on floor. If she had hit she would have won
Superb!
It is Gold ❤
Gracilidad de movimiento, esto es realmente añadir el componente artístico a la gimnasia. Precioso.
Perfect ❤❤❤
@slavaro1992 Thanks. I didn't notice that.
I'm doing a video rescoring the AA, and I have this at a 9.7. I can easily see how some of the judges had it at 9.65. Nearly all the deductions come from the dismount. Perhaps two back-handsprings to a 2 1/2 would have been a better idea, but I'm unsure off the top of my head if that would have given her enough CV to start from a 10.
I’ve also often wondered if they considered it a break in connection between the full twist back HS to layout layout too. I really hope not.
Always remember when he stole his bronze medal! Siempre recordaremos cuando le robaron su medalla de bronce en Atenas 2004
Y luego le robaron el mismo bronce en Beijing!
There was absolutely no stolen medal. She had errors here that cost her the medal- and a bars routine that was not strong enough. In Beijing it’s a laughable concept to think a brownze should have been given when her bars was TWO full points in value behind the medal winners.
Gorgeous routine, but I think the reason she didn't score higher is because of that slight pause after the full-twisting back handspring and she was a little short on the triple full at the end. She may have lost the bonus for not connecting that series and probably didn't get full credit for the dismount. Nitpicking, but I think that was the difference.
+intldawn She most certainly received credit for both her acro series and dismount here. The FIG/WTC's definition of a connection at that time allowed for non-dynamic rebounding such as Aerial - BHS to earn CV. Pavlova's 1/1 BHS was not dynamically connected to the BHS - LSO, but the series had continuous motion. She was perhaps deducted 10 for lack of rhythm in the connection. As for the dismount, gymnasts had to be short by quite a bit those days before downgrading kicked in. I imagine she lost .05 on the crossed legs, and .10 for the incomplete twist. I can't remember this COPs stance on the 1/1 BHS variations, but each was also a potential .05-.10 deduction.
It was a time , when the USSR was distroyed and russsian athletes was abused by judges USA was pushing hard to the first position
Anna was very underscored
Love Anna gymnastics, fee very sorry for her
Typical attitude of a country that got away with having control of the judges for decades and couldn’t find the way to have to actually perform at utmost to garner medals once that control was no longer a factor. You want medals? Try performing without mistakes, try taking fullest advantage of the code given! And try ditching the stuffy, uppity attitude.
En Sidney hubiera ganado muchas medallas
9,650??
That was the score, yes. A couple of little places where deduction was taken.
I couldn't care less about difficulty start points and deductions - all pathetic! Anyone with eyes can see that this routine contains - no mistakes, great difficulty and graceful beauty! One of the last gymnasts that can genuinely call themselves an artistic gymnast!
She floats like a feather, but better in Beijing.
The unluckiest gymnast.
She was robbed
By her too weak bars routine, nothing else. You can’t give your competitors a 0.2 advantage right off the top at the Olympics.
Cătălina Ponor's routine was still better than this one
It had tremendous fluidity and continuity.