Zajef taking three minutes to write the dps’ out and graph them in excel instead of drawing the graph in paint in two seconds is the most zajef thing I’ve seen in years
@@HotPepperLala actually her rotations are very faster if you use her skill, than switch out, and 5s later switch back to arlecchino and use her charged attack
@@GunnerChopper I've been playing a Chevreuse/Fischl/Beidou team to escape that. Feels pretty great and the damage isn't that much worse than the Bennett teams, so the mobility makes it worth it. Probably hinges on me having whaled for c6 Chevy, but anything to avoid playing Bennett. :)
@@GunnerChopper that's for speedrunning. arle has a lot of other low cost teams that dont use bennet. as for hutao, if you dont have furina and xianyun both, you might as well play xianling. hutao cant outperform xianling in most scenarios without her highcost premium team.
the first thing is that I can switch out, I CAN SWITCH OUT, that's all I needed to know am benching Hu Tao, not even gonna talk about the jump cancelling
My opinion is simple, if you already have an up to date Hu Tao, you dont need an Arlecchino. If you have neither you should get an Arlecchino and not an Hu Tao
@@MuhaamadAreeb this discussion based on how the character performs and not about lore. If you dont have any interest on meta, this is not for you. Its really good and nice to say that, until you say stuff like that to a new player and he waste his resources and have problems even doing weekly bosses because he is knew and lack powerful units.
Arle is better because you have a lot of viable team options which all feel strong, hu tao has two teams, one which needs c1 to feel good to play and another one that is just xiao but red
have both hu tao and arle C2R1. both with similar investment in builds (~3100 RV, Akasha 1% in both), just end up using them both every abyss. hu tao double hydro and arle share like no teammates cus arle can always do overload, hyper or mono-pyro, and they usually put up similar clear times with arle being faster cus frontloaded
@ correction, my Arle is C1R1. but the point of my comment is moreso that there's no real reason to compare the two cus they share no teammates. same reason mualani isn't a neuvilette competition cus they share no teammates (except xilonen but you can just run neuvi with kazuha)
For my Arle I'm kinda locked into vaporize cause my artifacts have quite a bit of EM, also top 1% but for vape on Akasha. Wish I could run melt too but that would require Citlali to have similar cryo app or better than C6 Kaeya (who I don't have), along with providing buffs that equal or surpass Yelan.
@bjornnilsson2941 if your arle is c0 xingqiu is similar because you can dodge less and don't get staggered, so their teams still don't overlap, bennett kazuha xingqiu
Arlecchino is so good I killed the Feast of Pursuit day 4 event boss without using the boss mechanic of hitting the thing above the pillars. Arlecchino not punishing you for swapping out is so useful for iframing damage with the ults of your other chars.
As a mobile player arlecchino is far a head of hutao, like... How do i love doing hutao CA atk only to get knock by the enemy mid CA causing to not hitting the enemy losing dmg, stamina and her uptime. On the other hand With arle i actually feels like playing game, NA Playstyle is goated cuz it doesn't have specific combo and unlike CA, it doesn't cost stamina and i can dodge whenever i need to and not losing anything, AND i actually can see her beautiful atk animation instead of same one atk animation.
hard skill issue buddy, both by not using a shield and by somehow thinking she can be interrupted mid CA. totally understand the mobile drama about jump canceling cuz that thing is really cursed.
@@jonnevitu4979eh yea she can? some enemy had disgusting atk pattern and it's actually does cancel hutao CA such as consecrated beast I'm good I don't do shield.
In reality the damage between them both is so similar that really just pick which anime girl makes you lose NNN the fastest. Frankly the fact its this close at all is a testament to how great Hu Taos been the last 4 years. Arle generally beats Hu Tao out mostly due to various QoL improvements mainly in easier use which, fair enough she came out 3 years later it would weird if she didn't.
Very well said. I’d always recommend Arle over hu Tao for anyone who doesn’t have either. But you aren’t making any mistakes by picking hu Tao if you like her either.
similar damage, but I feel like Arlecchino's AOE is much better, doesn't drain stamina, and can be swapped out mid rotation, for a downside of not being able to be healed by allies, while hutao doesn't like it much either.
@@yoda5358 You're playing a gacha game bro, stop desperately trying to have some sort of moral high ground on people being horny towards characters that were literally designed for that purpose
I used Hu tao to clear the bosses in the current event on hardest difficulty, I have Arle but the investment is way lower and I found Arle dies more than my Hu Tao cause I dont use a shielder since I dont have a suitable one built for her. I found Hu Tao more comfortable because she can be healed in her Furina double hydro comps and c1 Hu Tao gives her so much invulrability frames. It's mostly preference, like Arle is way better for overworld exploration or more spread out small fry wave content cause she keeps her pyro infuse off field.
Yeah that's also one of the things I find when comparing the two hutao I frame is one of her asset alongside vape consistency and for arle getting stronger by her bol but plummet afterwards. However on survivability hutao is more resilient than arle.
Neat. I like the counter arguments. I own neither but good to see through bull when people get heated (and personally I dislike arls design so could never get myself to roll her, I hate plain suits, just looks like she smells bad)
people dnt realize when it comes to team power hutao has the upper hand bec furina exist. hutao/furina/yelanl/xilonen or slot in xianyun for plunge hutao. arle is more comfortable and flexible in teams. overload chev/monopyro/vape. its just she doenst have a furina lvl on her team that makes arle can better in some situation. so yeh arle is about frontloaded individual power while hutao is about overall team power. EDIT: im not saying hutao is better, i just explaining the graph hes representing why the 2 almost have same dps. the game is easy enough that it doesnt matter anyway.
it's not their personal damage that is the same, is their team dps so not exactly. This calc here was not using the real actual values, just a quick to follow example, in the actual numbers its their team dps that is the same
Honestly I was scared of Arlecchino power creeping her when I first played her because I accidentally got her by pulling on the wrong banner and she was destroying everything already when I got her, but the moment I switched to PC, Hu Tao got easier to play. It's safe to say I'm playing both, they don't share similar teams at all. I can run them both in Abyss.
I personally find it weird that people are debating which one should be used and which one should benched. Even though their roles overlap, that doesn't mean one will have to be benched to give way to the other. I mean, back then when the only end game content was the spiral abyss there were times that I wish I had two separate Hu Taos so I can clear both sides of each floor more effectively. Thats why I was so happy when I got Arlecchino to fill the role as my second hypercarry pyro. Now that we have the theatre, it makes even more sense to actively use them both. Just put them both in the roster along with very strong pyro units like Xiangling and Yoimiya, and you are basically set for the entire run.
13:40 Zajef has always consistently underrated Layla. She can also serve in Kaeyas position (iirc, her cryo elemental application ICD is every 3 hits or every 2.5s, but by adding a hydro unit to this team, the enemy is affected by frozen more often)
@@kim5668No it doesn't shatter. Only Claymore, Geo and some blunt attacks (Klees attack) would shatter The main issued with Freeze melt is that it doesn't work against bosses. Freeze cannot exist on a boss so after procing Freeze you lose the elementsl aura = Pyro essily overtakes and either your Xingqiu/Yelan burst Vapes or Laylas hits Melt which isn't good. And you didn't really buffed Arles raw Pyro damage without an Anemo or other Support
For a new player, Arle is definitely the better choice by being more flexible in teambuilding. For me an old hutao player i don't see the point in pulling Arle even if she's clearing faster, end of the day both are pyro dps and i don't see the need
as someone who has both, i like using hu tao in vape teams (Hu tao, furina, yelan, jean) This team just has Synergy+ As for arle, i like using her in mono pyro. (Arlec, Benett, xiangling, Zhongli/Kazuha) fits with her lore too, seeing as shes pyro cubed
As someone who played Yoimiya for patches and was able to carry me in the abyss 12, Arlecchino sweeps both, it's not even close unlike before where a case can be made for how comfy Yoi is vs Hutao and the dmg difference depending on your skill level.. Knave is just in another their than these 2.
I love Hu Tao, I've played her in, probably, most of the abysses there have been since she came out, jump canceling was never a problem for me and by this point I'm so used to it it has become muscle memory. But Arlecchino is just comfortable, similar kit without the need of a full setup, you can just spam basics and she'll kill everything, you can swap between your characters mid rotation if you need to setup Kazuha swirl or Xilonen skill and your uptime won't reset, my biggest issue with her is that sometimes I forget to use her skill first and have to reset lol
Hu Tao has higher TEAM damage, Arle has higher INDIVIDUAL damage, Hu Tao is a driver, Arle is a hypercarry Hu Tao gets to use Furina, but is glued to Xingqiu or Yelan, Arlecchino has more team variety but is glued to Bennett Personally I just don't like how Bennett plays (blasphemy, I know) so I just pick Hu Tao it's not that deep, just pick which of their downsides you rather put up with.
yeah i have both at c0r1 and while i still use arle more because she's easy to use in overworld, my hu tao team tends to perform a bit better in abyss since my yelan and furina are also hyper invested
I'd say hu tao is a carry not a driver. Driver would fall onto someone like childe who applies hydro for xiangling but in hu tao teams, the others apply hydro for hu tao. Not a hypercarry, but an on-field carry.
Benny is okay to use in the right teams, you just can't get overzealous with him because of circle impact and his limited healing. I can't tell you how many times my rotation got messed up because I was compelled to stay on field for too long to get healing ticks. Benny being your only defensive option is always a high risk/high reward affair.
Cool, then for Imaginarium Theater where everyone needs to somewhat pull their own weight in damage, Arlecchino would be more preferred over Hu Tao for personal damage.
In general, I think Arlecchino is better than Hu Tao. My recommendation will always be Arlecchino over Hu Tao for someone who has neither. However, it is a nonsensical take to assert that Arlecchino renders Hu Tao irrelevant, or that Hu Tao is somehow bad. The damage the two do is actually very similar in a lot of cases, and they have unique advantages over the other. Anyone who chooses to pull Hu Tao over Arlecchino will not regret it if they build her properly. And no, Hu Tao does not need C1 to be strong. It just takes some practice and you should be fine. TLDR: Both are good. If pulling for overall meta value, Arlecchino. Otherwise, both are great.
After doing the latest event, I was just so glad I pulled for Arlecc, bro singlehandedly was able to clear all the event bosses with ease, especially that "Cojico" one. Her team versatality is truly what makes her even more ideal for teams experimentation.
My Hu Tao also cleared every single one of the bosses this event, I'm not really sure why people are constantly putting the two characters against one another lol If you really wanted you could run both at once as outside of Xilonen they don't really have any overlap in team comps either haha
@@ashenzenden outside of speedruns that's kind of silly though, it's genshin not league. And in genshin speedruns Mualani bodies both and it isn't close
DPS begins on your first action, and ends when the target is dead. This is a very hard concept for some people to grasp. There's some certain hydro catalyst DPS mains that can't figure out that a different hydro catalyst DPS character is in fact a stronger DPS, because she kills things faster. Too many people try to measure things purely on a spreadsheet against a hypothetical, infinite HP enemy. That's just not how it works in reality.
I don't think its this convoluted to compare their sht or smth. Arlecchino better cons, arlecchino 4.0+, zhongliable or spam arlecchino burst. People can generally can be dumb with arlecchino. Although if you already invested in your hutao in particular context its about the same on certain situation. Yes my first two statements could be combatted on specific event and situations but come on, new character, new spin, sometimes favored., and also a better element (coughs in cryo). So just say xiangling already bro
What you said doesn't really make much difference in practice, but that's fine. The most important thing is two things: - One doesn't overlap the other, so you can use both at the same time - Hu Tao isn't inferior to Arlecchino to the point where you consider her a bad character. Depending on the situation, you'll have the same amount of time to finish a challenge with both of them, by the way. It's not the same as comparing Ayato to Neuvillette. That's all.
@@RuanRicardoNNYeah thats what i said. You can easily put a scenario and think where both dps can just perform fine or one can just outweigh the other. Thats why i said at specific events, combats, favoritisms such and such. Its just the ease of reaching that dps. Or in that context of just feelscrafting just perceivable dps. I still am preferring my hutao over arlecchino. The only way to degrade the other is if we introduce a cringe cost system or a cringe mechanic.
@@RuanRicardoNN Hu Tao without Furina is objectively pretty bad compared to Arle, not even talking about unfair difference in constelations. Like Arle has 264% dmg increase from C0 to C6 And Hu Tao has 59% of dmg increase from C0 to C6...
I did find that my Hu Tao was able to clear stuff in the most recent event with beefy bosses while my Arle was not. Probably because the fights took longer and I needed exactly 4 rotations for each fight I played with Hu Tao while I needed to stay longer on Arle and her dmg would fall off when your BoL gets low.... or because she kept dying and I gave up and went with the more comfy choice lol
Oh my god imagine calling Hu Tao "comfy" 😔,bro just let that Arlecchino out of her misery,she is probably trash in your hands😭😭,my f2p play Arlecchino team with PJWS and Glad annihilated the event.
@@Elvin-7748 What do you expect? I have played Hu Tao for 4 years now. Ofc she is more comfy. She also has Homa and C1 and I am a master in jump cancels due to... you know. Playing her for the last 4 fucking years. Get off your high horse and think why someone might feel differently than you. F2p means "free to play" so you do not have to add play to that btw.
I am just glad Zajef saying circle impact is cringe, it's only for speedrunners elitist not hard to rate them separately, for Casuals they just want to chase mash buttons. Imo the term Meta is deceptive, you have to use terms like Jamie does, Casual meta and Speedrun meta to define things imo.
Shes a lot better i saved 180 pulls for arle and she took all of them for c0 😭😭 and no weapon But now i still pulled hu tao because shes so cute adorable pookie cutie patootie i love her personality 🥹🥹🥹
In the event, my Plunge Tao always clears faster than any of my Arle team. I dunno maybe my Arle is not built strong enough or my Tao build is cracked 😅
As top 1% akasha both signature Arlechino and C1 Hu Tao, i can say in single target Hu Tao in 1 rotation 20-25% faster(hyper version not double hydro cringe), but after 1st one they come closer
One thing that I think isn't touched on enough in the Hu Tao vs Arlecchino debate is also the fact that because Arlecchino is frontloaded she is inherently more reliant on Crit, so missing a Crit on Arlecchino can significantly impact how much damage she deals compared to Hu Tao.
comments seem very split, everyone has their own personal preference, personally my hu tao is stronger just cause her and her team are heavily invested since ive been playing it for years. r5 homa from losing weapon 50/50s, c2 kazuha is basically 10 substat rolls, or a whole EM main stat, and artifact quality is much higher. arlecchino on the other hand is running a mediocre 4pc gladiator cause i havent farmed whimsy, and if i were to farm whimsy to a similar standard as my crimson witch it might take me until the end of natlan to get a decent set unless they add it to strongbox soon. i basically spent the entire fontaine version in navias artifact domain and only got 3 usable pieces by 5.0 when i finally crafted a circlet with the sanctifying elixirs. my arlecchino is still playable and clears abyss easily and i will use her if i feel like switching things up, but my hu tao is always there if im struggling with content and need the extra damage or comfort
I've been a Hu Tao Main since release (and im still am), I have her at C1 R1, but since Arle release I don't play her that much, Arle is just better in every way and my Arle is just C0 R0, I can imagine how would it be after I get C1 R1 on my Arle on her rerun.
That shouldn't be the case, sounds like a skill issue. C0 Arle is definitely better than C0 tao, but C1R1 tao is like 120k dps, which should offset arle's frontload
@@musicaddict9058i had 2 homa, a C1 hu tao and a c0 arle, i played on mobile sometimes my hu tao just CA to the opposite side of the enemy for unknown reason and it's been a while since I've tried her on endgame content, do you think i need xianyun for her? (This also helps her aoe)
@@musicaddict9058 That's is sheet impact my guy, In a real scenario when aoe comes in place and when there are multiwaves of enemies which is the trend for most abysses lately the comparison is not even close and this is true for C0R0 and is even more true when you add constellations to the menu , If you look closely too speed runs, any competent Hutao team is a 8+ cost team, where you have c2+key on Furina or c2 + Aqua on Yellan, Ideally both, R1 on Xilonen on Kazuha. People use the "Skill issue" term and bring their simc dps´s or sheets whit any sort of concept.
The ability to swap out whenever you feel like with Arle is what makes her a better character overall for me, probably one of the most comfy overworld characters, doesn't need teammates bursts most of the time, doesn't need her own burst, can swap out or leave combat and maintain infusion even between spread out enemy camps, she's peak OW comfortcreep. Didn't stop me from using both in the abyss the last rotation though, Pyro Polearm buddies rule.
I think the main thing whit Arle is that she’s much less punishing if you don’t have the best scenario possible, like if you get interrupted or you just weren’t able to use all the resources, her bond of life stacks and the second rotation you’re just demolishing everything. Also, if you for whatever reason don’t have the correct hydro app, you just pass from like 170k per normal to like 110 or smth, different from Hu Tao that doesn’t actually get dmg if you don’t vape. Need to swap because you just got absolutely blown up? No problem! Just do it, arle can return later anyway, it’s like she took notes from all the other carry issues and said “well not me!”.
At C0R1, hutao is better in vape than arle Arle is better in mono pyro and overload At higher cons it's a whole different case cuz arle absolutely dominates, her c1 is too good. The best part is that they both can be played without overlapping characters so just use one for each half
Nice lil thing about Arlecchino, is that in her overload team, she shares zero team mates with any variation of hutao teams, so a lot of the times now I've been using both in abyss.
@@connerjessop8422 i have c1 hu tao i still hate using her though, idk i sort of wish they'd do something to rebalance the older characters at this point
I've seen it as Arlecchino is better overall in terms of ease of use, versatility and better frontloaded damage but Hu Tao leads slightly leads when specifically looking at vape teams overall. Then when you consider vertical investment with weapons and constellation at first not much changes with both having fairly strong c1 and signature but once you look beyond that then Hu Tao falls off more as her other constellations are a lot less useful. Though at that point you probably aren't struggling regardless. Ultimately both are fairly good pulls but Arlecchino is better value.
After Getting Arlecchino C2R1(bis) , I've never once felt like touching my c1r1(homa) Hutao. That's the diff!! It's not like either of my Builds Sucked, Arlecchino is Just Versatile
Zajeff..... Still waiting for your review of the latest event. Steadfast difficulty. Would really love to hear your opinion. I think it's the hardest content that has ever been introduced into the game.
Is it rly that hard tho? I did all stages but 1 (turtle) with Kinich/Bennet/Dehya/Yelan without resets. I died twice to turtle and switched to pressure washer and completed no issues while ignoring elemental reaction mechanics of this event
@@kamilkarwowski5579 It really REALLY depends on your artifacts, your level of investment into the characters, and in the case of some of those encounters, having Xilonen. Unless you could climb the pillars and hit the geo thingies of that one boss, it was extremely difficult to meet the dps requirements to kill it within the time given. I have two accounts. My welkin only account with Arlechinno cleared almost everything with no issues, but the f2p account struggled a LOT. It was cool... I like difficult content. That's why I want to hear Zajef's opinion on it.
16:35 huh I always thought it wasn't possible to do that... every time I do the exact same rotation (skill, dash, burst) I don't get the energy back on Kaeya. I guess it's a ping issue?
This last few abysses frustrated me so I just bruteforced it and used them both. 1st half Hu Tao - Furina - Xianyun and 2nd half overload Arlecchino. So if you have Hu Tao and still wanted Arlecchino like me, you'll still find use for them both.
I think both are at the same range of damage. Arlecchino may feel easier to use to a bunch of people but hu tao can use some strong teams that the former can not. I would only recommend going for Arleccino if you are a new player, you don't already have hutao or if you play on mobile because she is the easiest of both over there
after playing hu tao and having to spam her charge attack cancel shit, arlecchino by comparison is a fucking goddess. just off the play style it's not even worth looking at tao
Bro made an oopsie and didn't mention that the frontload he likes to glaze so much is completely localized to Bennett's circle. Completely unintentional though - surely he just forgot that the new waves of enemies in the Abyss spawn on the opposite side.
I only play Hu Tao C0 on hunter set with Xianyun and it performs too crazy for me to consider Arlechino as an improvement. The gameplay is also more novel than a normal attack spammer
personally Hu Tao is way safer than Arlecchino when playing without a shield. Her N1CD/N2CD combos have so many s that she barely gets interrupted or takes damage from the enemies. Not to mention her being low hp is already more than Arlecchino's full hp. Her latest team is a team of three 40k hp characters and a 3000 def character so its pretty impossible to die. But Arlecchino is easier to play and has better cons. i have Both and i play them every abyss
IMO Arle: High risk high reward, front loads high DPS that declines heavily, but is really squishy, deals a lot of AoE, is very forgiving on your rotation since you don't lose anything by switching off. Has a hard time using Furina (which is kinda sad for me with my C2 Furina) but can otherwise run both vape and overload teams. Very nice in overworld. Hu tao: Low risk medium reward, takes a while to get into damage mode but when she does it's a lot of damage in bursts that is hard to spread out, almost no AoE, extremely hard to kill. C1 is a huge upgrade in both damage and fun. I don't have Xianyun but I think she probably solves a lot of AoE problems, can get a lot of use out of Furina, practically unusable outside of vape. Does not feel that good in overworld content but is perfectly usable. I have a C1R1 Hu tao and a C2 jade spear Arle, I like both but Arle performs better as long as I can avoid dying (which has been a problem in some abysses) and the abyss isn't just straight up single target bosses for one path. Honestly I think you can get either and be happy, but Hu tao feels slightly worse (again I haven't tried with Xianyun, with her it's probably a completely different story), and if you're struggling with the abyss/theater and that is your main concern then go for Arle.
16:12 joke's on you, whales instantly collect their Bond of Life on Arlecchino bc C2 lets them, and then there's C6 obliterating everything with melts that don't need Kaeya
Should I really get Hu Tao is I literally have everything for her like best teammates, shimenawa and Homa? I can really get her now, just that I'm trying ot save for C2 Mavuika.
genshin is about pressing buttons and i feel i can do that a lot more with hu tao, also a point made in the video made me wonder if its fair compare them since they're both dps's but with a big difference in how the dmg is being dealt in frontloaded or consistent.
Feast of Pursuit tested my Hu Tao skills on day five. Arlecchino probably would’ve cleared much faster but I’m honestly unsure if she would’ve lived against that Turtle
I have Hu Tao but i also want Arlecchino but my main problem is that i hate that tiny ass red circle impact and he is basically Arlecchino's best teammate. Also, i have a C2 Furina and a C2 Xianyun, but Arlecchino doesn't want them in her team (also have Xilonen). Im praying that Mavuika and/or Pyro Traveler saves us from circle impact lol.
but arnt u dealing way more dmg with hu tao team then cuz the supports are better and u have way more supp dps ? i mean furina and yelan are also buffed by xilonen witch is huge
i think theyre both around the same level and one can easily be better than the other. but when arle is just objectively better is when you start including things like c2
My Hutao will always have Yelan, Furina, and Zhongli, then my Arle will have Kazuha Bennett then Xilonen/Emilie/Xingqiu. For me C0 Hutao is the same as C0 Arle but more comfortable, you will only see the difference if Arle is C1 but I didn't see it in practice so I might be wrong or maybe my arlecchino is weak (I'm sure she isn't cause she hits average 80k normal atks and can reach 150k first hit without reaction). Am planning to C1R1 Arle too (or maybe C2 cause X mark is annoying in single target) so that I can test it out myself.
I have both arle and hu. My problem with hu is that she really needs her c1 to be good at playing with. Hu has damage but no comfortability and is not very flexible. She's mostly locked into vape teams while arle can do vape. Melt. Overload. Burn. And even mono pyro. Arle just excels in whatever team you put her in. Hu is what i'd consider a nuke arle. Like how mualani is nuke neuvi. The best decision for a pyro dps now would likely be Arle. And its unlikely she would be powercreeped anytime soon. Mavuika is the only pyro character we know. And since she's an archon. She would likely be locked in being a support. Rather we'd likely see her powercreepimg benny and XL. And if she does have healing in her kit like benny that makes her heal but also provide buffs.... I think Arle will reach neuvi levels of damage. Which unfortunately will lower hu's place in the meta. Because hu hates healing.
@@xyippee I'm sure out of the people who dislike it there are a ton of different reasons. For me there are a few main ones. 1. I have a tiny brain. In LoL I don't get gear items that you can cast because keeping track of the battle and my main skills is about as much as I can handle. Adding in another component on top is too much for me. So yeah, git gud ... or don't play something you don't find enjoyable. 2. I severely dislike not being able to heal when I want to heal. I'm most comfortable brining in a healer AND a shielder. Other people might think it is fine to reset spiral abyss a bunch of times. I do not. I don't really view it as beating the content if you need multiple tries at it. While I'd never do a hardcore mode Genshin, I do prefer hardcore gameplay and that drives my mindset. As I said, there are other reasons but those are my main two.
Arlecchino is just way more forgiving and comfy to play(as long as you ensure you don't get hit too much lol..since you cannot heal her without her burst). Hutao on the other hand, is much harder to play.
i have both hutao c1r1 and arlechino c2r1 for me , current patch (3.1) both still good. the difference between hutao and arlecchino is the way to play arlecchino have enough room that you can done some mistake , she still fine. hutao , you need to do exact procedure. (ulti yelan or ulti xingqiu before you press e and charge attack) , with human error. you might lose your dps when you done something wrong. but if you compare c6 with both character. arlecchino better in this case.
i don't even like hu tao but straight up saying that she's worse than arlecchino is propaganda by alre's simps, if you look at overall dps in their best respective teams hu tao performs slightly better (generally speaking with the same value of stats 81k dps from arle compared to 89k from hu tao), but in the end of the day it doesn't matter because both clear content, and if they're comfortable or not is completely subjective, for me hu tao's rotations feel a lot more comfortable than arlecchino's marking system where you have to wait 5 seconds for it to cook just because the devs said so, imo it's a bit cringe, and the fact that arle's emergency heal completely deletes all of her bol is a very annoying punishment while hu tao's ult just deals damage and heals
You like hu Tao and that’s ok lol. Hu Tao’s dmg has always been competitive but it’ll come down one question: do you want to do the charge jump cancel dance to eek out a bit more dmg than than a unit who can do it all easier and cheaper? It’s a personal choice but the latter will tend to be preferred
@@MO-zk8qs in what way is arle cheaper? she doesn't have a good f2p polearm, hu tao at least has dragon's bane which is on the weapon banner 90% of the time, arle can't use it because she's rarely played in vape and even when she is then she loses the value of having more teams because the elemental mastery is completely wasted in non vape teams, or melt teams with kaeya but realistically only zajef plays melt arle, partially because you usually need c6 kaeya and because it's harder to play, same with normal vape arle where you use yelan with kazuha (technically speaking it's her strongest team when looking at pure dps, xilonen doesn't change much)
@@ars-br1ms white tassel is completely fine on arle lmao 'i don't even like hu tao' ur not fooling anyone bro 😭 and also where in gods name are u getting ur stats from ☠️☠️☠️☠️ arlecchino does over 95k dps on gcsim️
Arle is easier and more fun to play, is more flexible in her rotations and team comps, and also has better AOE. This isn't about DPS anymore. Even if you show me a spreadsheet and tell me Hutao deals the same damage per hit as Arle, and same overall dps, I would STILL choose Arle.
idk my Hu Tao is meh and she can hit for 400k per second after the setup, when Hu Tao's E goes on cooldown you have just enough time to cast your setup again, so there's like no time wasted. If you have Hu Tao's premium team and you know how to play the game then your damage will be higher, but if you think it's a too big of an investment you can just go for Arle, although imo Hu Tao is more f2p friendly cause if you're at least mid game: -You 100% already have Furina (and if you don't know are you doing?) -So you just need Yelan, which a lot of players already have -And Cloud Retainer will be your actual investment for Hu Tao. So even if it looks expensive on paper or when you just start out the game, these are mostly characters which you will get down the line anyway, plus they are very flexible for other teams too. And then you have Staff of Homa being more versatile, and Hu Tao's best domain MH is literally the best domain in the game to farm, Arle's domain is only good for her. So imo: unless you pull cons for Arle (which isn't very f2p friendly and versatile) she isn't going to be a better, but it purely depends on your account. I would just build around what teammates i have.
For me Arlecchino is hotter so I prefer her over Hu Tao lol... Just my preference and I like her animations alot, really wish I had that scythe to complete it...
I love that you spread the c6 kaeya forward melt arlecchino propaganda this is my favourite team and quite strong while freeing good hydro option for second side
I think Arle is great def easier to play, but I like having Hu Tao not be tied to bennet the way Arle almost always is and I am biased since I have c1r1 and Hu Tao can be healed which sometimes does matter so it almost feels like to me Arle is tied to a shielder and bennet so you really have one partner with variety whereas Hu Tao has plunge furina double geo VV vape etc For almost all content currently I think both clear very comfortably if you are okay with their playstyle so the gap is probably a preference and difference in investment thing. I got her c1 cause I can’t be asked to level up Arle while mauvika is about to release
I'd pick Arle anyday due to how easy it is to play her lol. And no, it's not some "skill issue" BS some Hutao simps love to throw around lol, I can do that jump cancelling just fine, but it got tiring real fast, I even got her C1 to not deal with that shit. I play the game for fun, not to try to be a sweaty tryhard, and Arle fills that need perfectly. And for those"JuST uSe pLuNgE HuTAo", lol I ain't gonna waste my primo for a limited 5* that I have no interest in to "unlock" another playstyle lmao
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I came looking for opinons and found an excel tutorial
Then you came to the wrong UA-camr
it’s zajef, what do you expect
It’s just one of the means for expressing his hate for hu tao
@@amitchowdhary2935 TBH, his treatment of hu tao is actually way nicer.
Zajef taking three minutes to write the dps’ out and graph them in excel instead of drawing the graph in paint in two seconds is the most zajef thing I’ve seen in years
being good at excel is hot
I agreege
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deadass also have you seen him talking about grammar on stream? my knees got a little wobbly ngl
didnt know this side of the fanbase
Ong bro@@EmptyD0ll
not losing pyro infusion when not on field is a big plus imo, arle is just easier to play all round.
true, but i have never found myself switching out of Arlecchinom for whatever reason unless she has run outside of Bennet's circle
too bad she's stuck in circle impact, where as hutao isn't since she doesn't require bennet.
@@HotPepperLala actually her rotations are very faster if you use her skill, than switch out, and 5s later switch back to arlecchino and use her charged attack
@@GunnerChopper I've been playing a Chevreuse/Fischl/Beidou team to escape that. Feels pretty great and the damage isn't that much worse than the Bennett teams, so the mobility makes it worth it. Probably hinges on me having whaled for c6 Chevy, but anything to avoid playing Bennett. :)
@@GunnerChopper that's for speedrunning. arle has a lot of other low cost teams that dont use bennet.
as for hutao, if you dont have furina and xianyun both, you might as well play xianling.
hutao cant outperform xianling in most scenarios without her highcost premium team.
the first thing is that I can switch out, I CAN SWITCH OUT, that's all I needed to know am benching Hu Tao, not even gonna talk about the jump cancelling
But now you have to do with Circle Impact
@@HuyPham-we4dj mavuika will fix this TRUST
@@HuyPham-we4djI use her without benett anyway bro I use her thoma Candace kazuha ,
@@HuyPham-we4djif you have pjws or her signature you don't need bennett at all
@@noobgaming5341 Her team dps without Benny is really not that great though
starts with arlecchino ends with kaeya glaze
truly a zajeff video of all time
My opinion is simple, if you already have an up to date Hu Tao, you dont need an Arlecchino. If you have neither you should get an Arlecchino and not an Hu Tao
Accurate evaluation. I’d add, if you’re looking to vertically invest. Get Arlecchino.
You don't need either. Get the one that is fun and/or you enjoy the lore of or whatever is important to you
And if you like both, get both
@@MuhaamadAreeb this discussion based on how the character performs and not about lore. If you dont have any interest on meta, this is not for you. Its really good and nice to say that, until you say stuff like that to a new player and he waste his resources and have problems even doing weekly bosses because he is knew and lack powerful units.
Finally a reasonable opinion on the topic
@@kadatheklund2904 both characters perform very well and aren’t too far from each other meta-wise, so I don’t really see your point
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Arle is better because you have a lot of viable team options which all feel strong, hu tao has two teams, one which needs c1 to feel good to play and another one that is just xiao but red
i mean, I like xiao and I like red so... stonks
@jonnevitu4979 that's a good way to look at it
You don't need c1 tbh. It does feel better with the dash cancels, but jump cancels are not the worst thing in the world.
@@el7284bro imagine playing C0 Hu Tao 4-5 charge attacks and you are f-uked,why would a dps need another constellation to be usable😭😭
@GamerTv-yx9fy it's 7-8 CAs. Have you been dash cancelling at C0 this whole time?
have both hu tao and arle C2R1.
both with similar investment in builds (~3100 RV, Akasha 1% in both), just end up using them both every abyss.
hu tao double hydro and arle share like no teammates cus arle can always do overload, hyper or mono-pyro, and they usually put up similar clear times with arle being faster cus frontloaded
it is not like Hu tao's c2 can even come close to Arle's c2...
hell, even c6 hu tao is kinda useless nowadays
@ correction, my Arle is C1R1.
but the point of my comment is moreso that there's no real reason to compare the two cus they share no teammates. same reason mualani isn't a neuvilette competition cus they share no teammates (except xilonen but you can just run neuvi with kazuha)
For my Arle I'm kinda locked into vaporize cause my artifacts have quite a bit of EM, also top 1% but for vape on Akasha. Wish I could run melt too but that would require Citlali to have similar cryo app or better than C6 Kaeya (who I don't have), along with providing buffs that equal or surpass Yelan.
c2 r1 arlecchino easy to play solo spiral abyss
@bjornnilsson2941 if your arle is c0 xingqiu is similar because you can dodge less and don't get staggered, so their teams still don't overlap, bennett kazuha xingqiu
Arlecchino is so good I killed the Feast of Pursuit day 4 event boss without using the boss mechanic of hitting the thing above the pillars.
Arlecchino not punishing you for swapping out is so useful for iframing damage with the ults of your other chars.
or you can just dodge.
@@jonnevitu4979can’t dodge with no stamina c0 hutao
@@JordanLopez-sv9spYou can get gud
Or at least I never had to things just kinda die lmao
@@JordanLopez-sv9sp use zhongli? use plunge? since we are talking about best teams, you can choose; c1 with xilonen or c0 with xianyun.
Definitely comfort playstyle which makes her more uptime and no dmg lost. Tho i still like hu tao with bosses, or single target.
As a mobile player arlecchino is far a head of hutao, like... How do i love doing hutao CA atk only to get knock by the enemy mid CA causing to not hitting the enemy losing dmg, stamina and her uptime. On the other hand
With arle i actually feels like playing game, NA Playstyle is goated cuz it doesn't have specific combo and unlike CA, it doesn't cost stamina and i can dodge whenever i need to and not losing anything,
AND i actually can see her beautiful atk animation instead of same one atk animation.
hard skill issue buddy, both by not using a shield and by somehow thinking she can be interrupted mid CA.
totally understand the mobile drama about jump canceling cuz that thing is really cursed.
@@jonnevitu4979hu tao gameplay does feel a little dated, esp if you’re going c0. being married to a shield unit also sucks imo
skill issue
@@jonnevitu4979eh yea she can? some enemy had disgusting atk pattern and it's actually does cancel hutao CA
such as consecrated beast
I'm good I don't do shield.
I actually like playing Hutao on mobile. The cancels feel pretty smooth and satisfying
Arle is better because she has a better Fischl team
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so true
i like arle since i finally have a use for candace
@@GoatifiNeverforget so true. I’m rly happy with Candace as a support for mualani, but I want that c6 for arle so bad
In reality the damage between them both is so similar that really just pick which anime girl makes you lose NNN the fastest.
Frankly the fact its this close at all is a testament to how great Hu Taos been the last 4 years.
Arle generally beats Hu Tao out mostly due to various QoL improvements mainly in easier use which, fair enough she came out 3 years later it would weird if she didn't.
Very well said. I’d always recommend Arle over hu Tao for anyone who doesn’t have either. But you aren’t making any mistakes by picking hu Tao if you like her either.
similar damage, but I feel like Arlecchino's AOE is much better, doesn't drain stamina, and can be swapped out mid rotation, for a downside of not being able to be healed by allies, while hutao doesn't like it much either.
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@@yoda5358 You're playing a gacha game bro, stop desperately trying to have some sort of moral high ground on people being horny towards characters that were literally designed for that purpose
Now this is what i called a good analytical video nice work man
15:55 you can actually proc arlechino's signature without ruining rotation. You have to simply add a hold attack before applying the mark.
I used Hu tao to clear the bosses in the current event on hardest difficulty, I have Arle but the investment is way lower and I found Arle dies more than my Hu Tao cause I dont use a shielder since I dont have a suitable one built for her.
I found Hu Tao more comfortable because she can be healed in her Furina double hydro comps and c1 Hu Tao gives her so much invulrability frames.
It's mostly preference, like Arle is way better for overworld exploration or more spread out small fry wave content cause she keeps her pyro infuse off field.
Yeah that's also one of the things I find when comparing the two hutao I frame is one of her asset alongside vape consistency and for arle getting stronger by her bol but plummet afterwards. However on survivability hutao is more resilient than arle.
Neat. I like the counter arguments. I own neither but good to see through bull when people get heated (and personally I dislike arls design so could never get myself to roll her, I hate plain suits, just looks like she smells bad)
people dnt realize when it comes to team power hutao has the upper hand bec furina exist. hutao/furina/yelanl/xilonen or slot in xianyun for plunge hutao.
arle is more comfortable and flexible in teams. overload chev/monopyro/vape. its just she doenst have a furina lvl on her team that makes arle can better in some situation.
so yeh arle is about frontloaded individual power while hutao is about overall team power.
EDIT: im not saying hutao is better, i just explaining the graph hes representing why the 2 almost have same dps. the game is easy enough that it doesnt matter anyway.
All that matters is overall team dps, it makes no difference at all how much dmg each unit is doing if it ends being around the same anyway
it's not their personal damage that is the same, is their team dps so not exactly.
This calc here was not using the real actual values, just a quick to follow example, in the actual numbers its their team dps that is the same
Clearly Hu Tao need more investment than Arle to have that team power
@@vaibhavmehta8687 well yeah but it’s about 10k dps difference between them
@@HuyPham-we4dj But then you just invest into Arle's cons and weapons and she wins in terms of power again.
Honestly I was scared of Arlecchino power creeping her when I first played her because I accidentally got her by pulling on the wrong banner and she was destroying everything already when I got her, but the moment I switched to PC, Hu Tao got easier to play. It's safe to say I'm playing both, they don't share similar teams at all. I can run them both in Abyss.
I personally find it weird that people are debating which one should be used and which one should benched. Even though their roles overlap, that doesn't mean one will have to be benched to give way to the other. I mean, back then when the only end game content was the spiral abyss there were times that I wish I had two separate Hu Taos so I can clear both sides of each floor more effectively. Thats why I was so happy when I got Arlecchino to fill the role as my second hypercarry pyro. Now that we have the theatre, it makes even more sense to actively use them both. Just put them both in the roster along with very strong pyro units like Xiangling and Yoimiya, and you are basically set for the entire run.
13:40 Zajef has always consistently underrated Layla. She can also serve in Kaeyas position (iirc, her cryo elemental application ICD is every 3 hits or every 2.5s, but by adding a hydro unit to this team, the enemy is affected by frozen more often)
Then it’s not the same team is it?
Um, that's not a melt team anymore... that's a freeze-melt team. Which means she isn't good in melt.
doesn’t freeze melt cause shatter or does arle attacks not shatter? because i know it doesn’t work in hu tao team
@@kim5668No it doesn't shatter. Only Claymore, Geo and some blunt attacks (Klees attack) would shatter
The main issued with Freeze melt is that it doesn't work against bosses. Freeze cannot exist on a boss so after procing Freeze you lose the elementsl aura = Pyro essily overtakes and either your Xingqiu/Yelan burst Vapes or Laylas hits Melt which isn't good. And you didn't really buffed Arles raw Pyro damage without an Anemo or other Support
@@joe_simon ah so that’s why thanks for the good explanation
For a new player, Arle is definitely the better choice by being more flexible in teambuilding. For me an old hutao player i don't see the point in pulling Arle even if she's clearing faster, end of the day both are pyro dps and i don't see the need
as someone who has both, i like using hu tao in vape teams (Hu tao, furina, yelan, jean)
This team just has Synergy+
As for arle, i like using her in mono pyro. (Arlec, Benett, xiangling, Zhongli/Kazuha) fits with her lore too, seeing as shes pyro cubed
Ngl if u have xilo u can probs replace jean for xilo
Yoimiya sweep
-ing the floor in arlecchino's mansion
@@eggsalad44 I wish it was me
As someone who played Yoimiya for patches and was able to carry me in the abyss 12, Arlecchino sweeps both, it's not even close unlike before where a case can be made for how comfy Yoi is vs Hutao and the dmg difference depending on your skill level.. Knave is just in another their than these 2.
New characters kit simply has more to it and better numbers than older characters ..
I love Hu Tao, I've played her in, probably, most of the abysses there have been since she came out, jump canceling was never a problem for me and by this point I'm so used to it it has become muscle memory. But Arlecchino is just comfortable, similar kit without the need of a full setup, you can just spam basics and she'll kill everything, you can swap between your characters mid rotation if you need to setup Kazuha swirl or Xilonen skill and your uptime won't reset, my biggest issue with her is that sometimes I forget to use her skill first and have to reset lol
Hu Tao has higher TEAM damage, Arle has higher INDIVIDUAL damage, Hu Tao is a driver, Arle is a hypercarry
Hu Tao gets to use Furina, but is glued to Xingqiu or Yelan, Arlecchino has more team variety but is glued to Bennett
Personally I just don't like how Bennett plays (blasphemy, I know) so I just pick Hu Tao
it's not that deep, just pick which of their downsides you rather put up with.
yeah i have both at c0r1 and while i still use arle more because she's easy to use in overworld, my hu tao team tends to perform a bit better in abyss since my yelan and furina are also hyper invested
I'd say hu tao is a carry not a driver. Driver would fall onto someone like childe who applies hydro for xiangling but in hu tao teams, the others apply hydro for hu tao. Not a hypercarry, but an on-field carry.
Tbh i despise benny, i have him at c6 (i wanna say he is my only 4* at c6) and i will never use him. He'll forever be benched and never lvled
Benny is okay to use in the right teams, you just can't get overzealous with him because of circle impact and his limited healing. I can't tell you how many times my rotation got messed up because I was compelled to stay on field for too long to get healing ticks. Benny being your only defensive option is always a high risk/high reward affair.
Cool, then for Imaginarium Theater where everyone needs to somewhat pull their own weight in damage, Arlecchino would be more preferred over Hu Tao for personal damage.
In general, I think Arlecchino is better than Hu Tao. My recommendation will always be Arlecchino over Hu Tao for someone who has neither. However, it is a nonsensical take to assert that Arlecchino renders Hu Tao irrelevant, or that Hu Tao is somehow bad. The damage the two do is actually very similar in a lot of cases, and they have unique advantages over the other. Anyone who chooses to pull Hu Tao over Arlecchino will not regret it if they build her properly. And no, Hu Tao does not need C1 to be strong. It just takes some practice and you should be fine.
TLDR: Both are good. If pulling for overall meta value, Arlecchino. Otherwise, both are great.
I wish I was as good as him on excel
After doing the latest event, I was just so glad I pulled for Arlecc, bro singlehandedly was able to clear all the event bosses with ease, especially that "Cojico" one. Her team versatality is truly what makes her even more ideal for teams experimentation.
My Hu Tao also cleared every single one of the bosses this event, I'm not really sure why people are constantly putting the two characters against one another lol
If you really wanted you could run both at once as outside of Xilonen they don't really have any overlap in team comps either haha
@@SampleChan cuz they're Pyro dpses, shouldn't really be a surprise. Every dps gets compared to other ones, that's how the meta works.
@@ashenzenden outside of speedruns that's kind of silly though, it's genshin not league. And in genshin speedruns Mualani bodies both and it isn't close
did it with Hu tao plunge
my hutao also clears every boss, just like my arlechinno
DPS begins on your first action, and ends when the target is dead.
This is a very hard concept for some people to grasp. There's some certain hydro catalyst DPS mains that can't figure out that a different hydro catalyst DPS character is in fact a stronger DPS, because she kills things faster.
Too many people try to measure things purely on a spreadsheet against a hypothetical, infinite HP enemy. That's just not how it works in reality.
I guess u can say, the winners are catching waves while the losers are crying in the rain
married to pyro vs universal 🧠
while you're malding over trash auto-targetting, I'm out here clearing abyss while doing wordle on another tab
I don't think its this convoluted to compare their sht or smth. Arlecchino better cons, arlecchino 4.0+, zhongliable or spam arlecchino burst. People can generally can be dumb with arlecchino. Although if you already invested in your hutao in particular context its about the same on certain situation. Yes my first two statements could be combatted on specific event and situations but come on, new character, new spin, sometimes favored., and also a better element (coughs in cryo).
So just say xiangling already bro
This deserves a pin
What you said doesn't really make much difference in practice, but that's fine.
The most important thing is two things:
- One doesn't overlap the other, so you can use both at the same time
- Hu Tao isn't inferior to Arlecchino to the point where you consider her a bad character. Depending on the situation, you'll have the same amount of time to finish a challenge with both of them, by the way. It's not the same as comparing Ayato to Neuvillette.
That's all.
@@RuanRicardoNNYeah thats what i said. You can easily put a scenario and think where both dps can just perform fine or one can just outweigh the other. Thats why i said at specific events, combats, favoritisms such and such.
Its just the ease of reaching that dps. Or in that context of just feelscrafting just perceivable dps.
I still am preferring my hutao over arlecchino. The only way to degrade the other is if we introduce a cringe cost system or a cringe mechanic.
@@RuanRicardoNN Hu Tao without Furina is objectively pretty bad compared to Arle, not even talking about unfair difference in constelations.
Like Arle has 264% dmg increase from C0 to C6
And Hu Tao has 59% of dmg increase from C0 to C6...
I did find that my Hu Tao was able to clear stuff in the most recent event with beefy bosses while my Arle was not. Probably because the fights took longer and I needed exactly 4 rotations for each fight I played with Hu Tao while I needed to stay longer on Arle and her dmg would fall off when your BoL gets low.... or because she kept dying and I gave up and went with the more comfy choice lol
Oh my god imagine calling Hu Tao "comfy" 😔,bro just let that Arlecchino out of her misery,she is probably trash in your hands😭😭,my f2p play Arlecchino team with PJWS and Glad annihilated the event.
@@Elvin-7748 What do you expect? I have played Hu Tao for 4 years now. Ofc she is more comfy. She also has Homa and C1 and I am a master in jump cancels due to... you know. Playing her for the last 4 fucking years. Get off your high horse and think why someone might feel differently than you. F2p means "free to play" so you do not have to add play to that btw.
@@Elvin-7748 Not all of us like playing circle impact. I'd rather jump cancel than stay in a circle because I have more control over that
I am just glad Zajef saying circle impact is cringe, it's only for speedrunners elitist not hard to rate them separately, for Casuals they just want to chase mash buttons. Imo the term Meta is deceptive, you have to use terms like Jamie does, Casual meta and Speedrun meta to define things imo.
Shes a lot better i saved 180 pulls for arle and she took all of them for c0 😭😭 and no weapon
But now i still pulled hu tao because shes so cute adorable pookie cutie patootie i love her personality 🥹🥹🥹
In the event, my Plunge Tao always clears faster than any of my Arle team. I dunno maybe my Arle is not built strong enough or my Tao build is cracked 😅
As top 1% akasha both signature Arlechino and C1 Hu Tao, i can say in single target Hu Tao in 1 rotation 20-25% faster(hyper version not double hydro cringe), but after 1st one they come closer
but that's an aoe situation and it's not even a close fight when it comes to aoe if u compare arle to tao
Yea, but in that scenario 3rd strongest polearm dps comes in.(it s not burgeon Toma or Schevi's Q grouping )
yeah then compare c1 arle to c1 tao, also dhydro tao>>>
Arle is miles ahead
What is hyper tao team?
One thing that I think isn't touched on enough in the Hu Tao vs Arlecchino debate is also the fact that because Arlecchino is frontloaded she is inherently more reliant on Crit, so missing a Crit on Arlecchino can significantly impact how much damage she deals compared to Hu Tao.
comments seem very split, everyone has their own personal preference, personally my hu tao is stronger just cause her and her team are heavily invested since ive been playing it for years. r5 homa from losing weapon 50/50s, c2 kazuha is basically 10 substat rolls, or a whole EM main stat, and artifact quality is much higher. arlecchino on the other hand is running a mediocre 4pc gladiator cause i havent farmed whimsy, and if i were to farm whimsy to a similar standard as my crimson witch it might take me until the end of natlan to get a decent set unless they add it to strongbox soon. i basically spent the entire fontaine version in navias artifact domain and only got 3 usable pieces by 5.0 when i finally crafted a circlet with the sanctifying elixirs. my arlecchino is still playable and clears abyss easily and i will use her if i feel like switching things up, but my hu tao is always there if im struggling with content and need the extra damage or comfort
u can basically play them both since they dont share teammates
I've been a Hu Tao Main since release (and im still am), I have her at C1 R1, but since Arle release I don't play her that much, Arle is just better in every way and my Arle is just C0 R0, I can imagine how would it be after I get C1 R1 on my Arle on her rerun.
Did you give your Staff of Homa to Arlecchino?
That shouldn't be the case, sounds like a skill issue.
C0 Arle is definitely better than C0 tao, but C1R1 tao is like 120k dps, which should offset arle's frontload
@@musicaddict9058i had 2 homa, a C1 hu tao and a c0 arle, i played on mobile sometimes my hu tao just CA to the opposite side of the enemy for unknown reason and it's been a while since I've tried her on endgame content, do you think i need xianyun for her? (This also helps her aoe)
What weapon on arle? My arle doesn't do more damage than hu tao unless I give her homa.
@@musicaddict9058 That's is sheet impact my guy, In a real scenario when aoe comes in place and when there are multiwaves of enemies which is the trend for most abysses lately the comparison is not even close and this is true for C0R0 and is even more true when you add constellations to the menu , If you look closely too speed runs, any competent Hutao team is a 8+ cost team, where you have c2+key on Furina or c2 + Aqua on Yellan, Ideally both, R1 on Xilonen on Kazuha. People use the "Skill issue" term and bring their simc dps´s or sheets whit any sort of concept.
The ability to swap out whenever you feel like with Arle is what makes her a better character overall for me, probably one of the most comfy overworld characters, doesn't need teammates bursts most of the time, doesn't need her own burst, can swap out or leave combat and maintain infusion even between spread out enemy camps, she's peak OW comfortcreep.
Didn't stop me from using both in the abyss the last rotation though, Pyro Polearm buddies rule.
Past C2 Arlecchinno is just better overall but i rather play Hu Tao at C0 or even C1
I think the main thing whit Arle is that she’s much less punishing if you don’t have the best scenario possible, like if you get interrupted or you just weren’t able to use all the resources, her bond of life stacks and the second rotation you’re just demolishing everything. Also, if you for whatever reason don’t have the correct hydro app, you just pass from like 170k per normal to like 110 or smth, different from Hu Tao that doesn’t actually get dmg if you don’t vape. Need to swap because you just got absolutely blown up? No problem! Just do it, arle can return later anyway, it’s like she took notes from all the other carry issues and said “well not me!”.
Clearing abyss with both is honestly sastifying, i just see big red numbers on both side and both have pretty braindead playstyle
At C0R1, hutao is better in vape than arle
Arle is better in mono pyro and overload
At higher cons it's a whole different case cuz arle absolutely dominates, her c1 is too good.
The best part is that they both can be played without overlapping characters so just use one for each half
Though hu tao does have xilo now
@@lolidemon3163 Xilo is better for Arle tho
Nice lil thing about Arlecchino, is that in her overload team, she shares zero team mates with any variation of hutao teams, so a lot of the times now I've been using both in abyss.
I tried pretty hard on the current boss event and couldnt make my Arlecchino hit harder than mu Hu Tao, they are both at the same investment.
first explaination that actually makes sense, thanks
hu tao and ayaka are some of the best looking but completely unfun to use characters in the game
hu tao design being best looking is certainly a hot take
@@mickysaif thats like the most mild take of all time, Hu Tao is one of the most popular characters for her design
Get c1 I know you have cons on other characters
why did ayaka catch a stray
@@connerjessop8422 i have c1 hu tao i still hate using her though, idk i sort of wish they'd do something to rebalance the older characters at this point
answer: pull whoever it doesn't matter
Exactly, they're both very good characters.
Longer fights = Hu Tao
Shorter fights = Arlecchino
Bennett freedom = Hu Tao
More teams = Arlecchino
Except Arle carries bond of life over the next rotation so she does more damage in longer fights. But def feels worse without Bennet
someone skipped half the video :v bol carries over, so longer fights also arlecchino
There is absolutely nothing in hu tao's kit that makes her perform better in long fights, Arle more dmg in every subsequent rotation.
This reminds me of those VS tiktoks/shorts that were like
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Bruh half of what you said is inaccurate
I've seen it as Arlecchino is better overall in terms of ease of use, versatility and better frontloaded damage but Hu Tao leads slightly leads when specifically looking at vape teams overall.
Then when you consider vertical investment with weapons and constellation at first not much changes with both having fairly strong c1 and signature but once you look beyond that then Hu Tao falls off more as her other constellations are a lot less useful. Though at that point you probably aren't struggling regardless.
Ultimately both are fairly good pulls but Arlecchino is better value.
After Getting Arlecchino C2R1(bis) , I've never once felt like touching my c1r1(homa) Hutao. That's the diff!! It's not like either of my Builds Sucked, Arlecchino is Just Versatile
Zajeff..... Still waiting for your review of the latest event. Steadfast difficulty. Would really love to hear your opinion. I think it's the hardest content that has ever been introduced into the game.
Is it rly that hard tho? I did all stages but 1 (turtle) with Kinich/Bennet/Dehya/Yelan without resets. I died twice to turtle and switched to pressure washer and completed no issues while ignoring elemental reaction mechanics of this event
@@kamilkarwowski5579 It really REALLY depends on your artifacts, your level of investment into the characters, and in the case of some of those encounters, having Xilonen. Unless you could climb the pillars and hit the geo thingies of that one boss, it was extremely difficult to meet the dps requirements to kill it within the time given.
I have two accounts. My welkin only account with Arlechinno cleared almost everything with no issues, but the f2p account struggled a LOT. It was cool... I like difficult content. That's why I want to hear Zajef's opinion on it.
Who in the world has c6 Kaeya though
16:35 huh I always thought it wasn't possible to do that... every time I do the exact same rotation (skill, dash, burst) I don't get the energy back on Kaeya. I guess it's a ping issue?
This last few abysses frustrated me so I just bruteforced it and used them both. 1st half Hu Tao - Furina - Xianyun and 2nd half overload Arlecchino.
So if you have Hu Tao and still wanted Arlecchino like me, you'll still find use for them both.
I think both are at the same range of damage. Arlecchino may feel easier to use to a bunch of people but hu tao can use some strong teams that the former can not. I would only recommend going for Arleccino if you are a new player, you don't already have hutao or if you play on mobile because she is the easiest of both over there
after playing hu tao and having to spam her charge attack cancel shit, arlecchino by comparison is a fucking goddess. just off the play style it's not even worth looking at tao
Bro made an oopsie and didn't mention that the frontload he likes to glaze so much is completely localized to Bennett's circle.
Completely unintentional though - surely he just forgot that the new waves of enemies in the Abyss spawn on the opposite side.
All i saw in this video was excel, and the boys watching it with me behind my back
i want to see zajef do the turtle boss event 🙋
I only play Hu Tao C0 on hunter set with Xianyun and it performs too crazy for me to consider Arlechino as an improvement. The gameplay is also more novel than a normal attack spammer
I like how both looks, I like polearm, and I like pyro, so I get both
personally Hu Tao is way safer than Arlecchino when playing without a shield. Her N1CD/N2CD combos have so many s that she barely gets interrupted or takes damage from the enemies. Not to mention her being low hp is already more than Arlecchino's full hp. Her latest team is a team of three 40k hp characters and a 3000 def character so its pretty impossible to die. But Arlecchino is easier to play and has better cons. i have Both and i play them every abyss
IMO
Arle: High risk high reward, front loads high DPS that declines heavily, but is really squishy, deals a lot of AoE, is very forgiving on your rotation since you don't lose anything by switching off. Has a hard time using Furina (which is kinda sad for me with my C2 Furina) but can otherwise run both vape and overload teams. Very nice in overworld.
Hu tao: Low risk medium reward, takes a while to get into damage mode but when she does it's a lot of damage in bursts that is hard to spread out, almost no AoE, extremely hard to kill. C1 is a huge upgrade in both damage and fun. I don't have Xianyun but I think she probably solves a lot of AoE problems, can get a lot of use out of Furina, practically unusable outside of vape. Does not feel that good in overworld content but is perfectly usable.
I have a C1R1 Hu tao and a C2 jade spear Arle, I like both but Arle performs better as long as I can avoid dying (which has been a problem in some abysses) and the abyss isn't just straight up single target bosses for one path. Honestly I think you can get either and be happy, but Hu tao feels slightly worse (again I haven't tried with Xianyun, with her it's probably a completely different story), and if you're struggling with the abyss/theater and that is your main concern then go for Arle.
16:12 joke's on you, whales instantly collect their Bond of Life on Arlecchino bc C2 lets them, and then there's C6 obliterating everything with melts that don't need Kaeya
C2 is not even for whales, C6 is
@skrypnykk.770 I'm sure you'll be pleased to know that this man sees C2 5* as whale territory
Jump cancelling is why I just won't ever get hu tao. So comfort wins
Should I really get Hu Tao is I literally have everything for her like best teammates, shimenawa and Homa? I can really get her now, just that I'm trying ot save for C2 Mavuika.
genshin is about pressing buttons and i feel i can do that a lot more with hu tao, also a point made in the video made me wonder if its fair compare them since they're both dps's but with a big difference in how the dmg is being dealt in frontloaded or consistent.
Feast of Pursuit tested my Hu Tao skills on day five. Arlecchino probably would’ve cleared much faster but I’m honestly unsure if she would’ve lived against that Turtle
I need interruption resistance for this title.
I have Hu Tao but i also want Arlecchino but my main problem is that i hate that tiny ass red circle impact and he is basically Arlecchino's best teammate. Also, i have a C2 Furina and a C2 Xianyun, but Arlecchino doesn't want them in her team (also have Xilonen). Im praying that Mavuika and/or Pyro Traveler saves us from circle impact lol.
but arnt u dealing way more dmg with hu tao team then cuz the supports are better and u have way more supp dps ? i mean furina and yelan are also buffed by xilonen witch is huge
i think theyre both around the same level and one can easily be better than the other. but when arle is just objectively better is when you start including things like c2
My Hutao will always have Yelan, Furina, and Zhongli, then my Arle will have Kazuha Bennett then Xilonen/Emilie/Xingqiu.
For me C0 Hutao is the same as C0 Arle but more comfortable, you will only see the difference if Arle is C1 but I didn't see it in practice so I might be wrong or maybe my arlecchino is weak (I'm sure she isn't cause she hits average 80k normal atks and can reach 150k first hit without reaction). Am planning to C1R1 Arle too (or maybe C2 cause X mark is annoying in single target) so that I can test it out myself.
I have both arle and hu. My problem with hu is that she really needs her c1 to be good at playing with. Hu has damage but no comfortability and is not very flexible. She's mostly locked into vape teams while arle can do vape. Melt. Overload. Burn. And even mono pyro. Arle just excels in whatever team you put her in. Hu is what i'd consider a nuke arle. Like how mualani is nuke neuvi.
The best decision for a pyro dps now would likely be Arle. And its unlikely she would be powercreeped anytime soon. Mavuika is the only pyro character we know. And since she's an archon. She would likely be locked in being a support. Rather we'd likely see her powercreepimg benny and XL. And if she does have healing in her kit like benny that makes her heal but also provide buffs.... I think Arle will reach neuvi levels of damage. Which unfortunately will lower hu's place in the meta. Because hu hates healing.
I hate bond of life as a mechanic. So... we all have things we take into account when we are considering characters.
im curious, why do you hate BoL? is it because you can’t heal? because if so then a shielder is an obvious solution
@@xyippee I'm sure out of the people who dislike it there are a ton of different reasons. For me there are a few main ones.
1. I have a tiny brain. In LoL I don't get gear items that you can cast because keeping track of the battle and my main skills is about as much as I can handle. Adding in another component on top is too much for me. So yeah, git gud ... or don't play something you don't find enjoyable.
2. I severely dislike not being able to heal when I want to heal. I'm most comfortable brining in a healer AND a shielder. Other people might think it is fine to reset spiral abyss a bunch of times. I do not. I don't really view it as beating the content if you need multiple tries at it. While I'd never do a hardcore mode Genshin, I do prefer hardcore gameplay and that drives my mindset.
As I said, there are other reasons but those are my main two.
My first time watching Zajef coming from Zy0x and I see the difference lol. Truthfully though I think I might get into watching him.
Hu tao is cuter, end of debate
Furina > Hu Tao in terms of cuteness tho
Arlecchino is just way more forgiving and comfy to play(as long as you ensure you don't get hit too much lol..since you cannot heal her without her burst). Hutao on the other hand, is much harder to play.
God, how I wish for a c6 Kaeya
been thinking about pulling for arlecchino just to use my c6 kaeya lmaooo
i have both hutao c1r1 and arlechino c2r1
for me , current patch (3.1) both still good. the difference between hutao and arlecchino is the way to play
arlecchino have enough room that you can done some mistake , she still fine.
hutao , you need to do exact procedure. (ulti yelan or ulti xingqiu before you press e and charge attack) , with human error. you might lose your dps when you done something wrong.
but if you compare c6 with both character. arlecchino better in this case.
I feel my hutao team is stronger, Hutao-yelan-furnina-Xilonen.
16:12 that's okay, I'll just use my c4 ayaka for cyro instead
i don't even like hu tao but straight up saying that she's worse than arlecchino is propaganda by alre's simps, if you look at overall dps in their best respective teams hu tao performs slightly better (generally speaking with the same value of stats 81k dps from arle compared to 89k from hu tao), but in the end of the day it doesn't matter because both clear content, and if they're comfortable or not is completely subjective, for me hu tao's rotations feel a lot more comfortable than arlecchino's marking system where you have to wait 5 seconds for it to cook just because the devs said so, imo it's a bit cringe, and the fact that arle's emergency heal completely deletes all of her bol is a very annoying punishment while hu tao's ult just deals damage and heals
You like hu Tao and that’s ok lol. Hu Tao’s dmg has always been competitive but it’ll come down one question: do you want to do the charge jump cancel dance to eek out a bit more dmg than than a unit who can do it all easier and cheaper? It’s a personal choice but the latter will tend to be preferred
@@MO-zk8qs in what way is arle cheaper? she doesn't have a good f2p polearm, hu tao at least has dragon's bane which is on the weapon banner 90% of the time, arle can't use it because she's rarely played in vape and even when she is then she loses the value of having more teams because the elemental mastery is completely wasted in non vape teams, or melt teams with kaeya but realistically only zajef plays melt arle, partially because you usually need c6 kaeya and because it's harder to play, same with normal vape arle where you use yelan with kazuha (technically speaking it's her strongest team when looking at pure dps, xilonen doesn't change much)
@@ars-br1ms white tassel is completely fine on arle lmao 'i don't even like hu tao' ur not fooling anyone bro 😭
and also where in gods name are u getting ur stats from ☠️☠️☠️☠️ arlecchino does over 95k dps on gcsim️
@@ISMythix Isn't gcsim dps over several rotations, so Arle is counted with higher BoL there?
@nagorner3791 well ye, I don't rlly get how comparing dps in a single rotation makes any practical sense when the goal is to kill the enemy
Arle is easier and more fun to play, is more flexible in her rotations and team comps, and also has better AOE. This isn't about DPS anymore.
Even if you show me a spreadsheet and tell me Hutao deals the same damage per hit as Arle, and same overall dps, I would STILL choose Arle.
i played hutao c1 since day 1 and she is not fun anymore. i regret not pulling for arle on release. want to go for her next (after mavuika)
what aoe? shes a na character, also hutaos burst has pretty good aoe and it isn't usless like a pre c6 arle
idk my Hu Tao is meh and she can hit for 400k per second after the setup, when Hu Tao's E goes on cooldown you have just enough time to cast your setup again, so there's like no time wasted.
If you have Hu Tao's premium team and you know how to play the game then your damage will be higher, but if you think it's a too big of an investment you can just go for Arle, although imo Hu Tao is more f2p friendly cause if you're at least mid game:
-You 100% already have Furina (and if you don't know are you doing?)
-So you just need Yelan, which a lot of players already have
-And Cloud Retainer will be your actual investment for Hu Tao.
So even if it looks expensive on paper or when you just start out the game, these are mostly characters which you will get down the line anyway, plus they are very flexible for other teams too.
And then you have Staff of Homa being more versatile, and Hu Tao's best domain MH is literally the best domain in the game to farm, Arle's domain is only good for her.
So imo: unless you pull cons for Arle (which isn't very f2p friendly and versatile) she isn't going to be a better, but it purely depends on your account.
I would just build around what teammates i have.
Tbh i personally hate furina
I need to know if both c0r0 no zhongli high ping on mobile with skill issues who is better ?
Arlecchino is way comfier, definitely the best choice for a mobile player
For me Arlecchino is hotter so I prefer her over Hu Tao lol... Just my preference and I like her animations alot, really wish I had that scythe to complete it...
hutaos downside is literally just the stamina unless you play her with xianyun but even then I'd rather use diluc or gaming
If you have c0 r0 both arlechino is wayyy better. Im talking about abyss. The stamina and pyro infusion loss on hutao is such a pain
I love that you spread the c6 kaeya forward melt arlecchino propaganda this is my favourite team and quite strong while freeing good hydro option for second side
I think Arle is great def easier to play, but I like having Hu Tao not be tied to bennet the way Arle almost always is and I am biased since I have c1r1 and Hu Tao can be healed which sometimes does matter so it almost feels like to me Arle is tied to a shielder and bennet so you really have one partner with variety whereas Hu Tao has plunge furina double geo VV vape etc
For almost all content currently I think both clear very comfortably if you are okay with their playstyle so the gap is probably a preference and difference in investment thing. I got her c1 cause I can’t be asked to level up Arle while mauvika is about to release
I'd pick Arle anyday due to how easy it is to play her lol. And no, it's not some "skill issue" BS some Hutao simps love to throw around lol, I can do that jump cancelling just fine, but it got tiring real fast, I even got her C1 to not deal with that shit. I play the game for fun, not to try to be a sweaty tryhard, and Arle fills that need perfectly. And for those"JuST uSe pLuNgE HuTAo", lol I ain't gonna waste my primo for a limited 5* that I have no interest in to "unlock" another playstyle lmao
The excel master
I like Hu Tao’s gameplay a lot more, but if you want to turn off your brain and clear everything, Arle is the one
I think arle's aoe NAs are pretty good
yea as example you can hit both giant robots with normal attacks. there are some enemies with big hitbox which makes arlecchino great.
Absolutely love the copium hutao comment