I have a 2021 Slim and I absolutely love it. I can't stop smiling as I ride it. Only change I would make is the seat. The seat, albeit very good looking,is a little firm and kind of slippery. Some talk about the exhaust sound being a little quiet, but I am convinced people complaining about this ride around at 1900rpm and possibly lug the engine. If you ride it above 2800 rpm, you get plenty of good engine notes.
1900rpm is pretty comfortable for these M8's. At least on my Softail Standard, which may have different gearing than the Slim, 1900rpm in 6th gear is 51ish mph and it's not lugging. She doesn't like anything below 1800rpm while in 6th and my rule of thumb is I'll never use 6th below 50 anyway. But you'll know when the engine is lugging.... it will make godawful rattling noises and the bike will buck like a pissed off horse.
I almost bought a Slim several times! I just had to have the 114, but the Slim doesn’t come in 114. I love the Slim S with the 110 Screaming Eagle. I went with the FXFBS FAT BOB 114. I love it. It’s a bad ass bike! But I like the classic retro look of the Slim more! Is your Slim pretty responsive? An you get from 0 to 60 pretty quickly?
@@Burzurk1987 I actually got rid of my slim, the handling was not very good once I test rode other bikes. The Fat Bob you bought was a better decision.
2020 Slim was my first HD. In my opinion it's a great choice if youre looking to transition from a sport to a cruiser. The ability to customize and really make it your own creation is another positive.
Really? That makes no sense as the slim scrapes making a right hand turn at a stop sign, it is slow and low and don't handle for shite. Nah man, for me, I bought a 1290 Super Duke. Upright, more relaxed seating position, V-Twin torque, but with actual horsepower to move you like the wind.
@@Lex-Rex apples and oranges really pal, not even saying which is which. But someone who loves a Harley wouldn't settle for a KTM. That's the beauty of humanity really, we love so many different things over a large spectrum.
@@Amory98 I have three HDs. That is two too many as they just sit there and collect dust since I picked up the SDR 1290. Problem with HD fanboys is they need to get out and try different things. I know many HD riders that have different brands.
@@Lex-Rex I personally love the Fat Bob, no bike can equal it in design and narrative. From plainly material perspective I really like the ninja 1000sx, the FTR, the rocket 3, and perhaps the monsters. But these are good bikes, technically and what all have you; Harleys are emotions. So no, Harley lovers aren't illiterate or disinterested to other bikes. Peace.
@@Lex-Rex you make no sense either. Your opinion doesn't matter to a lot of people. So how about we just chill and go get on your 2 wheels. Before you RexYoSelf.. see what I did there?
There's a lot of haters in the comments. I bought a FXDWG in 05 with 100rwhp. It is the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden. Since then I've had a Buell Blast, a Buell XB9R and a loaded road glide. I guess I never rode a motorcycle I didn't like, from a 55 Harley hummer to a CL90 Honda to MXers and a Gold Wing. I still have the Wide Glide, but I just bought a Kawasaki Versys 300X and the Harley is for sale. Oh yeah, I'm 74 these days, so the heavy Harley's are no longer my forte. As always, "4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul."
@@anthonysilvestri4946 Would rather have a convertible sports car than a three wheeler. My dirt bike mechanic brother in law had a Can Am and wasn't happy with it, so he got an Africa Twin. I tend to trust his judgement on all things motorcycle and I will now have him to work on the Baby Versys, since it falls into the category of a dirt bike and he owned a Versys 650 a few years back. If I die on a motorcycle, I will die with a smile doing something I have loved for 62 yr.
Great bike, and not too expensive when bought used. If you are looking for a bike to cruise around on, they are awesome. Its not a high speed bike or a canyon carver, but its so much more comfortable to cruise around the back roads. Traded my Yamaha FZ1 in for 2009 Softail Deluxe. The FZ1 was a rocket ship that kept whispering to you "come on punch it", but thats not how I wanted to ride anymore.
@@azgman6439 The FZ1 is basically a sport tourer and fantastic all around. It is a very comfortable bike. The Harley is a La-Z-Boy and is missing a pair of balls.
What these wankers don't understand is that there are bikes for thrill and there are bikes for satisfaction. A H-D is for satisfaction. Balls? Those bikes push very hard right from the bottom of the rpm band. A bike with "balls" just pushes as hard when it is close to the red line. What a joke. And yes, they're comfortable, but adding a proper handlebar, proper grips and seat, an H-D is unbeatable in comfort. Yes, because these wankers can swap their handlebars in their bikes with "balls"... All I see is wankers that are not happy with their bikes with "balls", so they get in a bitchy need to criticize to fullfil they're unhappiness...
@@morgan98801 agree on biased, most upgrade seats, exhaust, etc... I never understood the haters, I have 2 harleys...and a GSXR, 2 wheel life..is a 1 family thing to me, anyways, enjoy riding your Honda, if you even own a bike.
@@surroundrive and you ride what? These new Harley’s, specifically the Softails, are notoriously comfortable. This isn’t a 2003 or older solid mount Sportster… Not entirely sure where you are coming from. FYI, I ride a modified Honda CB550 cafe racer, which isn’t super comfortable. These Harley’s feel like a Cadillac comparatively speaking.
It's so refreshing to see an honest review highlighting the positives about a Harley so the viewer can understand why these bikes are popular instead of the usual ignorant complaining for 20 mins
I have one... with pipes stage 1 and mini apes it’s awesome... flicks around, heaps of grunt heaps of fun. Probably the best fun cruiser I’ve owned and I’ve owned a lot from all different makes... Oh and in Oz I paid 32 grand for it and still love it...
Totally agree. I’ve owned 11 motorcycles in my life, and my old 2013 softail slim was the most fun, best handling and feel. I’ve been motorcycleless for 2 years, but I’m getting a new slim very soon
My grandfather and all his brothers and sisters owned HDs. They meant alot to them. I find myself drawn to them maybe if just from a legacy standpoint. I want to own an HD but the pricing is just crazy.
@@Amory98 then you can always get engine upgrades later down the road if you want. I have a Honda shadow 1100 and unfortunately there’s no way to increase the displacement unlike a Harley
@@Amory98 It'll be your ride for life, if you are mechanically inclined and want to do your own maintainence, if you know a good shop that will do it for reasonable prices, or if you have the money to have a dealer work on it.
I return to the MC Commute videos thinking I’ll enjoy the review. For some reason the format doesn’t work for me. The videos are too long and it seems like every presenter rambles about the motorcycle they’re riding. I’d recommend a rethink of the video format and length.
Yeah but can you get an all steel cruiser with spoked wheels, 114 ci, with hella resale value and massive dealer support? Just wondering. Man i’m so glad I like all motorcycles, not a fan boy for only one breed. Cruisers, sport bikes, dirt bikes, adventure bikes, scooters.. idgaf what it is, they all are fun..including harleys
@@doylee469 Why would I want all steel? That just adds weight. Japanese bikes have great support network. Half the parts made for HD are also used on Japanese bikes. If you're buying a bike and already thinking about resale prices then you've bought the wrong bike. You say 114ci like its a good thing but it makes almost no power in stock form. My 1100cc V twin makes 162hp and 92fttq. This bike is an absolute joke at the price point it has.
@@grizzlyspets1161 youre 1100 vtwin that makes that power is prolly of italian decent and any italian bike has horrible quality. And id rather have steel over plastic for a cruiser as it relays quality. Dont forget that yamaha cruisers were cheaper and still failed, they stopped selling them. As far as quality is concerned I can name off plenty of japanese cruisers with horrible quality concerns, and don’t get me started on ktm or ducati. Also his number is off as far as torque goes.. id bet that harley makes 20 more ftlbs at the wheel or more then whatever youre riding. Im not any kind of harley fan boy, but I believe it has it’s place. Most of you who hate on it have never owned one hate on it for quality pertaining to amf days. Harley isnt the same leaky oil bike that your daddy once rode. As far as resale goes, how would it be the wrong bike? Trust me when I say it holds better resale then any other brand on the market, including indian.
@@omarsalgado9715 You didn't say the Dyna family, you were talking about the previous Twin Cam engines. I know the softails all have had the Balanced motors. Listen to what you said at 4:37. I stand by my first remark. The Twin Cam B motors were all solid mounted and were NOT used in the Dynas.
@@omarsalgado9715 Not sure why you insist upon being inaccurate with your statement. The Twin Cam 88B was initially installed in all Softail models beginning with the 2000 model year. When you make an uninformed remark in a motorcycle review you should, at least, be man enough to correct yourself.
The twin cam was not rubber mounted in Softails. Only in Dyna and touring models were rubber mounted. The softail twin cam had a counter balanced engine.
I love my 2019 Slim. I put a Mother Road Customs tractor seat on it for much improved comfort along with a 1” lowering kit. 1” doesn’t seem like very much, but it creates a much more “slammed” look in the rear with it being lowered.
@@SooHighFashion I was thinking of getting the soft tail standard. Can you give me some more info from your experience thus far? Uber appreciate it brohim
@@benjamincalev1569 holy shit I'm sorry man UA-cam didn't notify me. Like what do you wanna know about the bike. As of now I have a bassani road rage short ripper 2-1 stainless exhaust with an arlen Ness big sucker. Saddlemen step up and just recently out on new handlebars/risers. Got bung kings pullback risers with 2 inches of pullback and thrashin supply mid bend bars
Oh man, I much prefer the HD implementation of turn signals way better than the Japanese / Euro standard. Although I prefer how BMW does it on the GS the most, where you still have split buttons but have a separate button to turn either off.
@@PistolPeteSTL I had a 2008 GS with separate turn signal switches, and hated it on that bike too. My 2018 R1200RS has one turn signal switch, and that's how I prefer it. What's the thinking between separate left and right buttons? Riders can't figure which way to push the switch?
Comments here suggest there are alot of people who don't really prefer/like Harleys at all....on the other side in my country people here consider Harleys are 'Rich guy's motorcycle'... It's ridiculously expensive here (double that of the US) and their maintenance cost is beyond expensive. People who do admire these aren't too concerned about the expenses so all that doesn't matter to them much...plus they attract alot of crowd reactions.
They are mostly for people who want to show others how much money they spent. There are people who like Harleys as motorcycles and knows they aren’t the best motorcycles in the world or for the money, but there are so many people who think Harley Davison’s are the best motorcycle you can buy and everyone is saving up for the day they can buy one. They could be better, but Harley is a grande first and a motorcycle company last. They make profits not from selling motorcycles, but on selling a brand and “exclusively”.
@@robertp457 Agreed... One just can't justify the cost of these... especially when there are so many reliable and better performing ones which are better built and cost alot lesser.
@@doylee469 Not naming any other brand here... It's just that the number of reliability issues which even we get to see for Harleys here (which btw costs as much as a house here) are alot more when compared to premium Japanese bikes.
Great bike! Classic styling and plenty of power. That said, Scraping the floorboards on the sweeper happened little to easily for my liking. I've seen this bike with a footpegs instead of floorboards. I wonder if you can get a bit more cornering clearance with the pegs??
I'm confused about why you bothered to comment on the turn signals, considering the fact that in over 20 minutes, you never used them once. Also, a LOT of your information is wrong. You clearly did not do your homework, and probably shouldn't be doing a review until you have. For example, no, not all Twin Cams were rubber mounted. Softails have always been counterbalanced. Including the Twin Cam. *DYNAS* were rubber mounted. And no, the Slim is not the only Softail with floorboards. Fat Boy has them too. Actually, ANY Harley with large forks ( known as "FL" models ) will have floorboards. Jesus, dude...
If this is yours. I recommend the drag specialties predator seat or a saddlemen. High back. Will change the holding on or pulling yourself back onto the bike feel 🤙
Awesome review thank you! Absolutely agree about the turn signal issue my hands are say medium-sized and it is difficult as you said to reach with your thumb the button and keep a hold of your throttle grip! I'm wondering what's your thought on the play in the throttle, I find it makes it very hard to be smooth at low speeds.
Damn so much hate y'all. Chill there is an upside to them not changing for do long just look at the drz by modern standards it's heavy as hell and carbed but people who own them can't stop praising how easy it is to find parts for or how easy it is to work on. It's the same with a Harley just with more a higher price American workers don't come cheap. See the street models if you wanna see what happens when you don't pay the workers and up the prices. Bottom line, you get what you pay for
German and Italian workers don’t come cheap either, but they are putting out better motorcycles that cost less. Modern materials and components don’t come cheaper either, but everyone uses them on premium prices motorcycles except Harley Davidson. Harley Davidson has been cutting costs while raising prices. They closed factories and laid people off, but did prices drop? No. The quality of the Street series of motorcycles is a direct reflection on Harley Davidson. They would much rather sell an inferior motorcycle for big profits than a good one to everyone at smaller margins. You do not get what you pay for with a Harley Davidson. You don’t get quality components, modern materials or engineering. The $12k Roadster doesn’t even have a fuel gage. Harley Davidson’s could be good motorcycles, but the buyer has to buy an unfinished motorcycle with cheap components throw away the poor quality parts and replace them with better parts at your cost. You can’t buy a Harley that’s already fixed.
For the Germans it's high tech above all else and I would know my first Street bike was a BMW, for the Italians it's mainly performance you're paying for with the exception of guzzi. With Harley it's style, longevity and comfort. It all costs comparably different companies just prioritize different things to make a profit. The market is leaning more toward the German and Italian philosophy of high tech high performance bikes due to the way we are conditioned in the market. It used to be with some tools and gusto you could pass your bike down to your kids. But these modern bikes aren't designed to be around forever. They're designed to be ridden for 30-50k miles then be discarded. Perfect example from Harley is the live wire super top of the line E- bike compared to let's say a sportster. I could keep that sportster for 30+ years with the proper care and access to parts. Not so much with the fancy E-bike where the battery itself takes up the bulk of the cost. I don't see many old ducatis on the road these days and if you do they've practically never been ridden. But I see plenty of old pan and shovel heads and even the occasional knuckle head. That's the advantage of older tech and an all steel construction. It's just not what most young buyers want these days but to people like me who don't wanna blow 15k on a new bike every 5-6 years there's still a market for these old school harleys
I wonder what there business plan looks like lmao..... Ummmm More Apparel, More Apparel,.... Keep pumping it out Apparel.Apparrel!!! That company needs to be totally revamped!!
@@Sniper11 Even Triumph is decades ahead! Top of the line bikes like the Rocket 3 crush what ever Glide they are pushing - and in the entry segment for beginner riders the Trident is unparalleled for the money! Put a Trident next to a Street 750 and laugh your ass off!
To those to Whom its worth a Nickel it Doesn't Apply Since they have No Passion for them.. When Anyone says CRUISERS ,,HD is the First think that Comes to Mind..You best Stick to 4 Wheels..
Plenty of "passion & heritage" in my Triumph - and it rides, runs and handles better too! And they aren't hovering on the precipice of bankruptcy either! Go figure?
@@anthonysilvestri4946 Triumph does have some finance issues and that is why they outsourced all their production out of UK. I've never owned or ridden a HD, but it is true that anyone that wants to make a cruiser that is who their compare it too; the best example is the BMW R18.
@@NariTheMan Excellent points - right up to the end when you referenced the R18! LOL Those are horrible cruisers - BMW is gonna have a lot if trouble selling them without some serious discounts 😋
Uhhhhhh, 73.6 horsepower and 99 pound feet of torque is not relatively modest. It is pathetic. I have a 2014 Victory 106 that produced more than that from the factory 7 years ago. I'm fairly sure that there are a number of V twins out there that do much better and in many cases for far less money. I started saying it in 1971 and Willy G said the same thing publicly, "Harley Davidson does not sell motorcycles. Harley Davidson sells a life style." Unfortunately HD's lifestyle has become antiquated, outdated, bloated and beyond the means of the very people that made their name for them, the working man. The new CEO of HD has a plan to save the company. Restrict (more like stop) all R&D, restrict (more like stop) the making of new models, and lower and limit production numbers to create an artificial scarcity to drive the price up even further without improving a damn thing about the product. Some plan. Sooner or later people are going to tire from the lack of improvement and the big buck pricing and start looking somewhere else. It's sad but true that the biggest motivator to improve the product is the Federal Government with new regulations. I will be surprised if Harley lasts much longer than 10 more years with their refusal to get with the world's program to limit or stop the use of oil. It's only a matter of time before overseas legislation excludes the sale of HD products in their countries due to the fact that the product does not meet their rules. And with the present price, the Livewire is just not going to cut it.
So glad I sold my victory vegas, pos.. you can keep your electric bikes too man.. automatic cars are faster but standard transmissions make it a drivers car.. same can be said about gas motors compared to electric motors.
@@doylee469 I like the sound and performance of a well tuned powertrain as well but soon we will not have a choice. Legislators are currently making noises about stopping the sale of gasoline powered vehicles in 10 to 15 years. If you want gas powered you had better be prepared because once they are outlawed for new sales it is very likely that you will be required to pay an additional fee to the government to keep your vehicle registered over and above what you pay normally and you can bet that the price of fuel will skyrocket. The world is moving on and HD is being left behind.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 They ARE a luxury brand, but they don't charge more than they are worth. They charge the price that is the intersection of the most units that they can sell at the highest price. They are priced more than other brands because they ARE a luxury brand, and they are planning to continue going in that direction.
Having just given up riding Harley’s after 21 yrs, I would doubt it produces 90bhp standard. Stage 1 kit and it might get closer. Oh and I went back to a gsxs1000 after they dropped the Bronx and went with the Pan, lol.
@@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou If we have to talk about power at the wheel it's about 77-85 hp (original-stage1) with about 101-104 ft lbs of torque...there are many videos/charts available on the net. But then we should claim dyno power at the wheel for all the bikes, not only for harleys. Anyway I think that 107-114 M8 are even too much powerful and pick up speed very quickly (maybe too much for what a cruiser needs). The gsxs 1000 it's a wonderful bike much much faster than every harley could even dreams of be but it's a completely different type of bike. In a perfect world we should all have at least one of each type that we like, waiting in the garage so that we can enjoy it.
@@GPz84 indeed yes worth the swap. She’s a 2019 special edition paint white with blue metallic pearl effect paint. Hopefully ride more this year in the U.K.
Ummm, I'd rather have 100bhp and not use it than buying an underpowered bike and getting frustrated when I need the extra power. The styling of the HD is awesome. You can see it competes with the scout. I just can't see why a softtail can't make 100bhp from start? The damn thing ways a tonne, it needs it.
I like your reviews, and Harley makes a nice looking bike, but Harley as a company is losing it... More of an apparel\lifestyle company that also sells bikes.
Nice job on the review. I'm looking at one of these this coming weekend. It was fun seeing so many places I was familiar with from having lived in that area. I sure do miss the SoCal weather :)
Four years in. The Milwaukee 8 still has oil control problems. Cranks not straight. Compensator failures (Compensators?) Cam lifters rotating because of follower guide breakage. Great business model. Anemic horsepower, so the service department has lots of Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3 and Stage 4 engine upgrades. If you touch your bike, the "warranty" is void. Lightest "big twin" is 650 lbs. The reviewer is 140 lbs, 5 ft 7 inches. Can the rider lift the Harley from is side, if it falls over? I'm 80, fairly fit. I sat on a Softail Special, couldn't lift it off it's side stand. Harley hasn't noticed their core customers are not getting any younger.
Lol. I'm asian 5 ft 4. And weigh in at 150 lbs. I picked up the bike just fine when it dropped. There's pure brute strength and then there's pure technique to picking up a bike that's fallen over. If your grip is that you're old and can't pick up a bike, then I suggest you don't ride anything other than a Honda cb400. Seriously, if you've been riding long enough, weight and picking it up from the floor is the last thing on your mind and seems to me, other than engineering knowledge, you need much much more to be talking about power or what not.
@@arrowrod Thank you. By the way, if you think Harley's core customer base is the Boomer generation turning into their 80's....good for you too. Ride safe, ride great.
🤝Congratulation on your Harley Davidson and wish you a safe journey 🍀😉🤙 Have the Softail Slim 2020 and i also enjoy every ride with it ❤️ Greetings from Austria ☀️
Stop hating on Harley jump on whatever you ride and ride family nothing better than the “free” feeling and we can all come to agreement that that’s why we ride
15k is a laugh. Besides the boomers ingrained into the HD culture why would a younger buyer even consider this. Hell Indian offers more for the $$ and same class.
@@7mpowerd You know "younger buyers" with $15k ready to buy a motorcycle? And be real, there are a lot more Harleys (and dealers) than Indian, bike specs and desirability notwithstanding.
@@caribman10 most younger folks finance don’t buy, many other younger folks my age are so tired of not having fun so they’re wanting fun. Not usually stay in the 6-9k bracket. I put the cap at 13k but I want a mt10. You’re absolutely right many more HD dealers the Indian.
I for one like it, very cool, iconic looking. Unfortunately, after riding my friends Honda 750 Shadow Phantom, there is no justification in spending double the amount for this. Unless you must have that Bar and Shield, and can afford the Harley tax, there’s little to no benefit in spending 18k on this.
@@rogershipman3578 i did and instead of a sporster i got a rebel 500. Don't get me wrong they are beautiful bikes, my favorite is the fatbob. But performance wise they lack and technology wise they are behind and value is not there. Of course unless you are looking to buy a classic bike and you are still a cruiser guy, harley is for you. Harleys are old bikes with old technology and if that's what you want that's fine. The issue is that most people are moving away from that. I think triumph has a better balance portfolio.
It’s got a seat, two wheels a handlebar, a throttle and brakes. That’s all the technology you need. Most of the technology on the “ up to date” motorcycles is not needed in the real world. Unless you race track. All those fancy gizmos aren’t needed, 99.99% of people will never use that technology to its full capability. 98% of riders ride street. They have this thing called a speed limit in America. Cruisers are the best, most comfortable bikes for street. If you’re doing 120 on the street, you’ve got a death wish. Too many unknowns. Take it to the track. I’ve owned 11 motorcycles. Sport to cruiser to touring. I can definitely say my 2013 softail slim was the best handling ride I’ve ever experienced. 2021 is going see a brand new one in my garage 😎
The Size of the Levers is Really a Silly thing to say that its Bad ,,Until you need to Squeeze the Break in Emergency and you can't Apply it if you Have Shorty Levers. I Love my OEM's as I get Better Control and Feedback..
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Mind, I'm not saying I'd buy one and I own a £170 Motorola phone and a Skoda. I recently had to buy my girlfriend an iPhone (SE - she insisted) - more than twice the price and half the screen size - and it really "ground my gears" having to do it. 😆😆
We buy them cause we can....ppl that knock them are simply jealous and don't have the money cause their to busy complaining in life and not working for what they want.
By the math: 107 cubic inch engine, 1745 cc, 73.6 HP, 99 fat-lb, $16-17,000, depending on paint. I can buy a pickup for that. And why doesn't the Slim offer the bigger engine? 'Cause then you have to spend the extra bucks to Harley to bring it up to those specs. Greedy, lazy and cowardly. Really? "2030 Prices-1930's Technology!" A measly 74 Hp from 1745 cc is insane. About 70 HP for 700 lbs, pretty much the same power to weight ratio of a riding lawnmower. I've ridden Harleys since my first '66 Sportster, (measured in 1966 with 60 hp, BTW), back in '73, and owned a '56 Pan, an Evo Heritage, and two Twin Cam Heritages. No company in American history has so abused, ignored and bleed its customers white, from overpriced parts, $55 T-shirts, and outrageous service costs per hour. Never again. Harley keeps using the word, "exclusive" in their new terminology. That translates to chrome battleships that only the richest can own. So sad, Harley. I was loyal to you for 45 years and you just kept abusing my love and devotion...and Visa card. I'm putting money down on an Indian FTR S, 1203 cc, $14,700, 120 HP, 88 ft-lb, 482 lbs. Real performance. Bye Bye, Harley. It was fun while I was mesmerized by beautiful but sluggish/slow/terrible lean angles/mediocre brakes/way overpriced.
@@doylee469 Ahhh, another Harley douche. That plastic GSXR would eat up any Harley tractor! Harley needs that torque to get its overweight ass moving, then it's pretty much gutless. 70hp from a big v twin, trying to propel a 600 pound paperweight. But Hey, some women love them! Not everyone can handle a high horsepower scalpel, that's probably why you see so many women riding Harleys, plus the vibration against their vaginas is pleasing.
@@doylee469 yes because a nearly 2 liter v2 making 100ft lbs is SOOO much more then the 87ft lbs a 1,000cc gsxr makes. It just can’t keep up with that HD can it. Hell my fjr1300 does 130ft lbs on 87 gas AND less displacement the a HD.
People have no concept of power. They just hear it on a spec sheet and think the bigger the better. The reason the HD peak torque figures are higher than most and surely higher at lower rpms is that they make more power at lower rpms than most bikes. That means they get going quick at reasonable street speeds. Try and flog it on a track and one would be woefully disappointed as it doesn't have a high peak power to propel it around at 140 mph. But if you have any sense, you're not riding around at 140 mph on public streets so 150 hp is just a meaningless number on a spec sheet. The kids will never learn...
@@mhoeij If you really want to compare power between engines, you can throw out the torque curve and just overlay the power curves. They tell one everything there is to know about the engine's power output. Torque at a particular rpm is just another power point on the power curve that no one ever bothers to calculate. But between that point and the peak power value, you know the power at 2 rpms across an engine's entire power band. Almost meaningless.
@@mhoeij Not how it works. An engine makes power from idle to redline. Power is proportional to torque*rpm. So, knowing the torque at any given rpm tells you the power at one particular rpm. Here's an example: Say HD makes torque of 100 ft*lbs @ 3000 rpm. Then its HP at 3000 rpm = (100*3000)/5252 = 57 hp @ 3k rpm Now, say a Diavel makes 100 ft*lbs @ 7000 rpm. Then its HP at 7000 rpm = (100*7000)/5252 = 57 hp = 133 hp @ 7k rpm So the same torque value at different rpms means the engine is putting out vastly different levels of power. The Diavel makes a ton more power, but you have to spin it up to get it. It may or may not make 57 hp at 3k rpm. So, just tooling around and nailing the throttle may actually feel more spirited on the HD. Now, if you're going 120 mph and hit the throttle, the Diavel is going to feel a hell of a lot spunkier. The HD probably can't even hit 120 mph, but on a street bike, who cares?
@@mhoeij A linear power curve will create a flat torque curve. That's how the math works. Engine torque is a concept that is of no real use to a rider. That's why I say you can just lay power curves over each other and see if an engine makes power where you like it. If you want to increase torque to the rear wheel, you shift down to first gear. If you want to increase the speed the rear wheel can rotate, you shift up to sixth gear. In first gear you sacrifice speed for torque. In sixth gear you sacrifice torque for speed. The torque calculated back to the engine's crank is superfluous.
@@Lex-Rex I'm sure the bike will do it with ease. I have a hard time believing you do though. I have a Thruxton. When I do 110 mph the wind is trying to separate me from the bike. When I do it on my Road King it is effortless as the windscreen deflects the wind. Of course, with the Roadie, that's all it has. Not that I really care. There are only a couple of wide open roads in the middle of nowhere that I will ride anywhere near that fast.
@Casey R. Not a hater and i see your point. But they are in a tough situation now. I really like the panamerica. Love that they kept the vtwin. I wonder how long they can continue to run the company selling classics to a customer base that continues to shrink. I think triumph does a better job.
@Casey R. You are right and there is so much they can improve. As for example, the company knows they can get more power out of these engines but they make the tons of money having people modify their bikes. So not only they give you a below average product, they expect you to pay to have it perform to the level it should be stock. There are few things i like about harley, style and sound, fatbob, panamerica but like you said it is ridiculous that they got rid of the bronx. Even if a harley customer what's to buy a sporty, light bike, harley doesn't offer one to them...makes no sense...
Little late to the party here but every ounce of hate in these comment sections for HD is well deserved, HD has become a meme factory. I like all motorcycles and can have a good time on two wheels in any format. But lbh HD brought it on themselves, Al the guys I ride with have new HD bikes and they have all had some funky issue, NEW bikes, unfortunately the guys with older HD’s have issues as well, they are cool and can be fun, but a standard HD is slow, can be problematic, overpriced. Quit saying people are hating on them they brought this shit to the table. OWN it
@@Lex-Rex Got that...but that's just it: I don't want to get used to it. I want the shortest safe stop I can get. The double disc Big Twins are actually pretty good for their weight. But if you've experienced any other brand big bikes, a single-disc HD feels like it isn't going to stop, by comparison.
@@caribman10 Compared to my 1290 Superduke, but that is a totally different animal. Regardless, both bikes stop fine, one is just way better LOL. The HD had two discs, but I put a single on it and just changed the master cylinder to a 9/16 bore master cylinder
@@Sniper11 My 2014 street glide special has dual Brembo 4 pot calibers on 320mm disks front and 4 pot single 320 on rear with ABS. They are also have a linked system above 25 mph were a computer module gives both brakes a balance to stop in the shortest distance possible. So in a panic stop if you only grab one brake it will automatically apply pressure to the other brake. My 7 year old bike has a lot of tech and I'm sure the new bikes are even better.
ABS an option? No RDRS not offered. Premium European bikes offer stability with IMU standard. Also offer electronic suspension, TFT dash. I would rather a Multistrada V4
Pretty feeble complaints about the turn signals. It’s a Harley, they’ve been doing this forever so get over it. One button each side is very easy to use and the self-cancelling feature is the best in the business.
Can't bring myself to ever buy one, but would sure like to spend some time on one. Sometimes what's needed is an effortless cruise, taking in the sites, sounds, and smells. And there's no denying the signature sound. Two Wheels = The Way. Thanks for the review!
Sadly overpriced, for a flawed motorcycle. I like the idea of owning a Harley more than the experience; I have had three, the last was a Heritage 107 (the other softail with foorboards!).
I have the exact bike I agree most of what he says but .I have noticed finding nutural blows !!! But all shifting is smooth and quick throttle is awesome 👌 and very snappy when ya need it.plenty of power .glide s over big bumps .I qm almost 300 lbs 5'8" so hight is perfict for me love the floor board s headlight is super bright .Hugs corners really well .they way it handles on high way took some getting used to .handles much different then my wide glide I had. I only put 750 miles on it thus far .but hope to have 3 times that this year .the solo seat blows .I swapped out to a 2up saddle man rides super nice now .first thing I switched out was factory exhoust to dam quiet 🤫. In ct ya need to let cages know your coming. Put on cobra neighbor haters. Very happy w theese slip ons .
@@7mpowerd l hear their new bike for 2021 is gonna be a mobility scooter called the "Still Alive Wire" and comes with a medic alert bracelet! "I've fallen off my bike and l can't get up"
Should never put the bike in neutral when waiting in intersections. You might suddenly need to avoid an oncoming car that hasn't seen you or the red light
Nice, debating harley mainly cause I'm sick and tired of the 3 fluid change system they still have... That gets old quick... I like indian, It's easy take 10 minutes parking lot change and keep on riding... Harleys are a chore.. The signal switches are annoying, not trying to right signal and gas/brake at the same time man most of the buddies don't even bother...
@@jackloganbill605 yes.... motor, primary, and transmission... The specs are all different, but most people I know do this 1ce a year... some are premadona sticklers and just do the whole kit every oil change... They all weight differently too by the way...
Being able to understand and remember the turn signal setup is definitely your problem, not the Harley’s problem. First time I’ve ever heard anyone mention this as an issue.
Excellent machines. I owned a 2018 Milwaukee 8 107 motor Fat Bob. Wish I had not traded that bike off. Excellent machine. My son owned this Slim model in the 103. Great bike. Yes, not a new tech Indian but I'd set it up there with any other machine and it turns heads. Indian ain't turning heads.
@Casey R. Innovation needn’t be adding IMU, TC, Skyhook suspension, lean sensitive ABS, wheelie control, Super charger etc.. Innovation can also be in the areas of refinement, handling, reducing weight and costs etc..I’m sure lighter Harleys which vibrate less, heat less and cost less are welcome by everyone.. Don’t you think Harley has fallen behind the rivals in these areas as well ?
So many harley haters on here but could not resist watching the video!
Chill out just enjoy your bike
I love the left and right turn signals. I have been using them for 20-30 years. It's very natural after a bit
I have a 2021 Slim and I absolutely love it. I can't stop smiling as I ride it. Only change I would make is the seat. The seat, albeit very good looking,is a little firm and kind of slippery. Some talk about the exhaust sound being a little quiet, but I am convinced people complaining about this ride around at 1900rpm and possibly lug the engine. If you ride it above 2800 rpm, you get plenty of good engine notes.
Plenty of great exhaust upgrades available, I think most get into, especially with it being geared towards customization.
1900rpm is pretty comfortable for these M8's. At least on my Softail Standard, which may have different gearing than the Slim, 1900rpm in 6th gear is 51ish mph and it's not lugging. She doesn't like anything below 1800rpm while in 6th and my rule of thumb is I'll never use 6th below 50 anyway.
But you'll know when the engine is lugging.... it will make godawful rattling noises and the bike will buck like a pissed off horse.
I almost bought a Slim several times! I just had to have the 114, but the Slim doesn’t come in 114. I love the Slim S with the 110 Screaming Eagle. I went with the FXFBS FAT BOB 114. I love it. It’s a bad ass bike! But I like the classic retro look of the Slim more! Is your Slim pretty responsive? An you get from 0 to 60 pretty quickly?
@@Burzurk1987 I actually got rid of my slim, the handling was not very good once I test rode other bikes. The Fat Bob you bought was a better decision.
2020 Slim was my first HD. In my opinion it's a great choice if youre looking to transition from a sport to a cruiser. The ability to customize and really make it your own creation is another positive.
Really? That makes no sense as the slim scrapes making a right hand turn at a stop sign, it is slow and low and don't handle for shite. Nah man, for me, I bought a 1290 Super Duke. Upright, more relaxed seating position, V-Twin torque, but with actual horsepower to move you like the wind.
@@Lex-Rex apples and oranges really pal, not even saying which is which. But someone who loves a Harley wouldn't settle for a KTM. That's the beauty of humanity really, we love so many different things over a large spectrum.
@@Amory98 I have three HDs. That is two too many as they just sit there and collect dust since I picked up the SDR 1290. Problem with HD fanboys is they need to get out and try different things. I know many HD riders that have different brands.
@@Lex-Rex I personally love the Fat Bob, no bike can equal it in design and narrative. From plainly material perspective I really like the ninja 1000sx, the FTR, the rocket 3, and perhaps the monsters. But these are good bikes, technically and what all have you; Harleys are emotions. So no, Harley lovers aren't illiterate or disinterested to other bikes. Peace.
@@Lex-Rex you make no sense either. Your opinion doesn't matter to a lot of people. So how about we just chill and go get on your 2 wheels. Before you RexYoSelf.. see what I did there?
There's a lot of haters in the comments. I bought a FXDWG in 05 with 100rwhp. It is the most comfortable bike I've ever ridden. Since then I've had a Buell Blast, a Buell XB9R and a loaded road glide. I guess I never rode a motorcycle I didn't like, from a 55 Harley hummer to a CL90 Honda to MXers and a Gold Wing. I still have the Wide Glide, but I just bought a Kawasaki Versys 300X and the Harley is for sale. Oh yeah, I'm 74 these days, so the heavy Harley's are no longer my forte. As always, "4 wheels move the body, 2 wheels move the soul."
My grandfather always told me that 'three wheels moves the anus'.
Although it sounds better in the original Swahili.
@@threethrushes I promised myself if I get too old for 2 wheels, I will give up riding. I can't see myself on a trike, a Mazda Miata maybe.
@@Randolini would rather have a horrible Can-Am Spyder than a God awful trike!
I just hope I'm still riding at 74 🙏😇
@@anthonysilvestri4946 Would rather have a convertible sports car than a three wheeler. My dirt bike mechanic brother in law had a Can Am and wasn't happy with it, so he got an Africa Twin. I tend to trust his judgement on all things motorcycle and I will now have him to work on the Baby Versys, since it falls into the category of a dirt bike and he owned a Versys 650 a few years back. If I die on a motorcycle, I will die with a smile doing something I have loved for 62 yr.
@@Randolini Amen to that brother!
Great bike, and not too expensive when bought used. If you are looking for a bike to cruise around on, they are awesome. Its not a high speed bike or a canyon carver, but its so much more comfortable to cruise around the back roads. Traded my Yamaha FZ1 in for 2009 Softail Deluxe. The FZ1 was a rocket ship that kept whispering to you "come on punch it", but thats not how I wanted to ride anymore.
So you wanted to get fat and lazy 🥱
Try a sport tourer and then tell me the HD is comfortable to cruise around the back roads on.
@@azgman6439 The FZ1 is basically a sport tourer and fantastic all around. It is a very comfortable bike. The Harley is a La-Z-Boy and is missing a pair of balls.
If you don't want a "high speed bike or canyon carver" then go buy a Honda Shadow and save $10K - and oh yeah, it won't EVER break down either! LMAO
What these wankers don't understand is that there are bikes for thrill and there are bikes for satisfaction. A H-D is for satisfaction. Balls? Those bikes push very hard right from the bottom of the rpm band. A bike with "balls" just pushes as hard when it is close to the red line. What a joke. And yes, they're comfortable, but adding a proper handlebar, proper grips and seat, an H-D is unbeatable in comfort. Yes, because these wankers can swap their handlebars in their bikes with "balls"... All I see is wankers that are not happy with their bikes with "balls", so they get in a bitchy need to criticize to fullfil they're unhappiness...
Road it and loved it. For those who hate you just don’t know. I’m a scout bobber owner so maybe that influences me but would make the switch
@@morgan98801 agree on biased, most upgrade seats, exhaust, etc... I never understood the haters, I have 2 harleys...and a GSXR, 2 wheel life..is a 1 family thing to me, anyways, enjoy riding your Honda, if you even own a bike.
@@surroundrive and you ride what? These new Harley’s, specifically the Softails, are notoriously comfortable. This isn’t a 2003 or older solid mount Sportster… Not entirely sure where you are coming from. FYI, I ride a modified Honda CB550 cafe racer, which isn’t super comfortable. These Harley’s feel like a Cadillac comparatively speaking.
@@surroundrive lol. Such bullshit.
It's so refreshing to see an honest review highlighting the positives about a Harley so the viewer can understand why these bikes are popular instead of the usual ignorant complaining for 20 mins
I have a '19. It's my daily rider when it isn't cold or threatening to rain. I like it very much
I have one... with pipes stage 1 and mini apes it’s awesome... flicks around, heaps of grunt heaps of fun. Probably the best fun cruiser I’ve owned and I’ve owned a lot from all different makes...
Oh and in Oz I paid 32 grand for it and still love it...
Totally agree. I’ve owned 11 motorcycles in my life, and my old 2013 softail slim was the most fun, best handling and feel. I’ve been motorcycleless for 2 years, but I’m getting a new slim very soon
@@Strike_Three you’ll love the new M8 motor it’s modern smooth and powerful 👍🏼
My grandfather and all his brothers and sisters owned HDs. They meant alot to them. I find myself drawn to them maybe if just from a legacy standpoint. I want to own an HD but the pricing is just crazy.
But then you'd only buy it once and it'll be your ride for life! It's not like a Honda or something which would get old, Harleys age very well!
Just borrow your grandads bike, they all look about the same...
@@Amory98 then you can always get engine upgrades later down the road if you want. I have a Honda shadow 1100 and unfortunately there’s no way to increase the displacement unlike a Harley
i heard there's great after market parts for Harley too
@@Amory98 It'll be your ride for life, if you are mechanically inclined and want to do your own maintainence, if you know a good shop that will do it for reasonable prices, or if you have the money to have a dealer work on it.
I return to the MC Commute videos thinking I’ll enjoy the review. For some reason the format doesn’t work for me. The videos are too long and it seems like every presenter rambles about the motorcycle they’re riding. I’d recommend a rethink of the video format and length.
They are way too long
@@CCitis That's what she said...
I disagree, after watching many reviews I feel these guys are the best!
@@anthonysilvestri4946 I wish
3:15 to 3:22 took that corner wide with a lot of wallow; was the H-D up to the task of pinning tight turns at speed?
The twin cam was not rubber mounted on the softails
I dont know but for this price we can get modern bike with good suspension , engine , dash etc....
Yeah but can you get an all steel cruiser with spoked wheels, 114 ci, with hella resale value and massive dealer support? Just wondering. Man i’m so glad I like all motorcycles, not a fan boy for only one breed. Cruisers, sport bikes, dirt bikes, adventure bikes, scooters.. idgaf what it is, they all are fun..including harleys
@@doylee469 Why would I want all steel? That just adds weight. Japanese bikes have great support network. Half the parts made for HD are also used on Japanese bikes. If you're buying a bike and already thinking about resale prices then you've bought the wrong bike. You say 114ci like its a good thing but it makes almost no power in stock form. My 1100cc V twin makes 162hp and 92fttq. This bike is an absolute joke at the price point it has.
But can you get 'the lifestyle'. That's the real question.
@@GPz84 life style for idiots that is.
@@grizzlyspets1161 youre 1100 vtwin that makes that power is prolly of italian decent and any italian bike has horrible quality. And id rather have steel over plastic for a cruiser as it relays quality. Dont forget that yamaha cruisers were cheaper and still failed, they stopped selling them. As far as quality is concerned I can name off plenty of japanese cruisers with horrible quality concerns, and don’t get me started on ktm or ducati. Also his number is off as far as torque goes.. id bet that harley makes 20 more ftlbs at the wheel or more then whatever youre riding. Im not any kind of harley fan boy, but I believe it has it’s place. Most of you who hate on it have never owned one hate on it for quality pertaining to amf days. Harley isnt the same leaky oil bike that your daddy once rode. As far as resale goes, how would it be the wrong bike? Trust me when I say it holds better resale then any other brand on the market, including indian.
Twin Cams were also solid mounted in the Softails.
Not the Dyna family. Only the B (it stands for balanced) motors were solidly mounted.
@@omarsalgado9715 You didn't say the Dyna family, you were talking about the previous Twin Cam engines. I know the softails all have had the Balanced motors. Listen to what you said at 4:37. I stand by my first remark. The Twin Cam B motors were all solid mounted and were NOT used in the Dynas.
@@jroberthadden That last sentence is true and that was what I intended to say.
@@omarsalgado9715 Not sure why you insist upon being inaccurate with your statement. The Twin Cam 88B was initially installed in all Softail models beginning with the 2000 model year. When you make an uninformed remark in a motorcycle review you should, at least, be man enough to correct yourself.
The twin cam was not rubber mounted in Softails. Only in Dyna and touring models were rubber mounted. The softail twin cam had a counter balanced engine.
Does it come with a 1000 Gallon barrel of Loctite?
No but they'll throw in a 12 pack of urinary catheters! LOL
That's not even funny.
@@mr.b3168 it was a serious question.
@@gislemark79 Classic harley hater.
Keep riding your dirtbike little man.
@@mr.b3168 True. I HATE Harleys.
Crapy bikes built in India with Extreamly succesful marketing.
So any idea if you guys are doing the 2021 ho da rebel 1100 video?
They are!! Keep seeing it on the Instagram page! Haha thinking same thing
Great look. Really clean dash. Thanks for a great review!
I love my 2019 Slim. I put a Mother Road Customs tractor seat on it for much improved comfort along with a 1” lowering kit. 1” doesn’t seem like very much, but it creates a much more “slammed” look in the rear with it being lowered.
I thought you might comment on the Freeway vibration (I could hear it in your voice), but you never did. How was it?
I own a 2020 softail standard, at highway speeds there is no vibrations at all, smooth af in 6th gear.
@@SooHighFashion I was thinking of getting the soft tail standard. Can you give me some more info from your experience thus far? Uber appreciate it brohim
@@benjamincalev1569 why don't you take a test ride pal? Others' experience wouldn't be your own.
@@benjamincalev1569 holy shit I'm sorry man UA-cam didn't notify me. Like what do you wanna know about the bike. As of now I have a bassani road rage short ripper 2-1 stainless exhaust with an arlen Ness big sucker. Saddlemen step up and just recently out on new handlebars/risers. Got bung kings pullback risers with 2 inches of pullback and thrashin supply mid bend bars
I owned a Sportster for 15 yrs, and never liked the separate left and right turn signal switches, nor the self-cancelling feature.
Oh man, I much prefer the HD implementation of turn signals way better than the Japanese / Euro standard. Although I prefer how BMW does it on the GS the most, where you still have split buttons but have a separate button to turn either off.
@@PistolPeteSTL I had a 2008 GS with separate turn signal switches, and hated it on that bike too. My 2018 R1200RS has one turn signal switch, and that's how I prefer it. What's the thinking between separate left and right buttons? Riders can't figure which way to push the switch?
@@rzu7120 I didn't know they changed back on the GS. I can never sell my 2012 now! :-)
Comments here suggest there are alot of people who don't really prefer/like Harleys at all....on the other side in my country people here consider Harleys are 'Rich guy's motorcycle'... It's ridiculously expensive here (double that of the US) and their maintenance cost is beyond expensive.
People who do admire these aren't too concerned about the expenses so all that doesn't matter to them much...plus they attract alot of crowd reactions.
They are mostly for people who want to show others how much money they spent. There are people who like Harleys as motorcycles and knows they aren’t the best motorcycles in the world or for the money, but there are so many people who think Harley Davison’s are the best motorcycle you can buy and everyone is saving up for the day they can buy one. They could be better, but Harley is a grande first and a motorcycle company last. They make profits not from selling motorcycles, but on selling a brand and “exclusively”.
@@robertp457 Agreed... One just can't justify the cost of these... especially when there are so many reliable and better performing ones which are better built and cost alot lesser.
@@TheTwinPost yeah like the yamaha raider I had that blew third gear at 20k miles? Suuper reliable
@@doylee469 Not naming any other brand here... It's just that the number of reliability issues which even we get to see for Harleys here (which btw costs as much as a house here) are alot more when compared to premium Japanese bikes.
@@robertp457
Got my 2015 Fatbob a few years ago for 10.5 with about 6,500 miles on it. You can find harleys used for a good price.
Great bike! Classic styling and plenty of power. That said, Scraping the floorboards on the sweeper happened little to easily for my liking. I've seen this bike with a footpegs instead of floorboards. I wonder if you can get a bit more cornering clearance with the pegs??
I'm confused about why you bothered to comment on the turn signals, considering the fact that in over 20 minutes, you never used them once.
Also, a LOT of your information is wrong. You clearly did not do your homework, and probably shouldn't be doing a review until you have.
For example, no, not all Twin Cams were rubber mounted. Softails have always been counterbalanced. Including the Twin Cam. *DYNAS* were rubber mounted. And no, the Slim is not the only Softail with floorboards. Fat Boy has them too. Actually, ANY Harley with large forks ( known as "FL" models ) will have floorboards.
Jesus, dude...
Having a hard time deciding on this bike or an Indian Scout Bobber 20.
If this is yours. I recommend the drag specialties predator seat or a saddlemen. High back. Will change the holding on or pulling yourself back onto the bike feel 🤙
This and the Heritage appeal to me most from Harley's lineup.
Awesome review thank you!
Absolutely agree about the turn signal issue my hands are say medium-sized and it is difficult as you said to reach with your thumb the button and keep a hold of your throttle grip!
I'm wondering what's your thought on the play in the throttle, I find it makes it very hard to be smooth at low speeds.
Damn so much hate y'all. Chill there is an upside to them not changing for do long just look at the drz by modern standards it's heavy as hell and carbed but people who own them can't stop praising how easy it is to find parts for or how easy it is to work on. It's the same with a Harley just with more a higher price American workers don't come cheap. See the street models if you wanna see what happens when you don't pay the workers and up the prices. Bottom line, you get what you pay for
nah you paying for harley and thats it
German and Italian workers don’t come cheap either, but they are putting out better motorcycles that cost less. Modern materials and components don’t come cheaper either, but everyone uses them on premium prices motorcycles except Harley Davidson.
Harley Davidson has been cutting costs while raising prices. They closed factories and laid people off, but did prices drop? No. The quality of the Street series of motorcycles is a direct reflection on Harley Davidson. They would much rather sell an inferior motorcycle for big profits than a good one to everyone at smaller margins.
You do not get what you pay for with a Harley Davidson. You don’t get quality components, modern materials or engineering. The $12k Roadster doesn’t even have a fuel gage.
Harley Davidson’s could be good motorcycles, but the buyer has to buy an unfinished motorcycle with cheap components throw away the poor quality parts and replace them with better parts at your cost. You can’t buy a Harley that’s already fixed.
For the Germans it's high tech above all else and I would know my first Street bike was a BMW, for the Italians it's mainly performance you're paying for with the exception of guzzi. With Harley it's style, longevity and comfort. It all costs comparably different companies just prioritize different things to make a profit. The market is leaning more toward the German and Italian philosophy of high tech high performance bikes due to the way we are conditioned in the market. It used to be with some tools and gusto you could pass your bike down to your kids. But these modern bikes aren't designed to be around forever. They're designed to be ridden for 30-50k miles then be discarded. Perfect example from Harley is the live wire super top of the line E- bike compared to let's say a sportster. I could keep that sportster for 30+ years with the proper care and access to parts. Not so much with the fancy E-bike where the battery itself takes up the bulk of the cost. I don't see many old ducatis on the road these days and if you do they've practically never been ridden. But I see plenty of old pan and shovel heads and even the occasional knuckle head. That's the advantage of older tech and an all steel construction. It's just not what most young buyers want these days but to people like me who don't wanna blow 15k on a new bike every 5-6 years there's still a market for these old school harleys
Um, a DRZ doesn't cost $20 to 30K LOL
H-D Research Department Priorities 2021
1) develop new names for colour schemes
I wonder what there business plan looks like lmao..... Ummmm More Apparel, More Apparel,.... Keep pumping it out Apparel.Apparrel!!! That company needs to be totally revamped!!
LMAO
No matter what their business plan says there still a dying breed and 50 years behind the dominant Japanese
@@Sniper11 Even Triumph is decades ahead! Top of the line bikes like the Rocket 3 crush what ever Glide they are pushing - and in the entry segment for beginner riders the Trident is unparalleled for the money! Put a Trident next to a Street 750 and laugh your ass off!
lol.........an charge extra.......$$$$$$$$$$$$$
It's about being able to say "I have a Harley." To some that's worth spending $12K to $30K plus. To others it's worth a nickel.
To those to Whom its worth a Nickel it Doesn't Apply Since they have No Passion for them.. When Anyone says CRUISERS ,,HD is the First think that Comes to Mind..You best Stick to 4 Wheels..
Plenty of "passion & heritage" in my Triumph - and it rides, runs and handles better too! And they aren't hovering on the precipice of bankruptcy either! Go figure?
@@anthonysilvestri4946 Triumph does have some finance issues and that is why they outsourced all their production out of UK. I've never owned or ridden a HD, but it is true that anyone that wants to make a cruiser that is who their compare it too; the best example is the BMW R18.
@@NariTheMan Excellent points - right up to the end when you referenced the R18! LOL Those are horrible cruisers - BMW is gonna have a lot if trouble selling them without some serious discounts 😋
I'm not brand loyal. I've been riding 50 plus years. And I have yet found the perfect motorcycle
Question
Anyone who has this bike would you recommend it for a new rider?
Yea man I’ve got one as my first bike and it’s holding up great it’s manageable for sure. Just don’t let her scare you.
Softail twin cams were not rubber mounted. Every Softail since introduction...evo, Tc, and M8 have been solid mounted
I was thinking the same.........Softail 103 ci Twin Cams are not rubber mounted.
My 07 heritage 96 is solid mounted.
Softtail ? Does that mean it has rear shocks like every other motorcycle ever made?
So difficult to justify the price while literally any other Japanese cruiser exists.
They don’t sell hard tails anymore, it’s just the name given to that frame
@@NicholasBenjamin1 Because it has no shocks. I rode one for 5 minutes , then bought a honda. Probably 20 Honda's in my life.
soft tail for idiots that is .
@@NicholasBenjamin1 and pretty soon they won't sell Harleys anymore either for the same reasons - Then it will "just be a name" also! LOL
Nice review what gloves are you using
Just looking at the clutch cable and operation it could do with adjusting to improve feel
Uhhhhhh, 73.6 horsepower and 99 pound feet of torque is not relatively modest. It is pathetic. I have a 2014 Victory 106 that produced more than that from the factory 7 years ago. I'm fairly sure that there are a number of V twins out there that do much better and in many cases for far less money. I started saying it in 1971 and Willy G said the same thing publicly, "Harley Davidson does not sell motorcycles. Harley Davidson sells a life style." Unfortunately HD's lifestyle has become antiquated, outdated, bloated and beyond the means of the very people that made their name for them, the working man.
The new CEO of HD has a plan to save the company. Restrict (more like stop) all R&D, restrict (more like stop) the making of new models, and lower and limit production numbers to create an artificial scarcity to drive the price up even further without improving a damn thing about the product. Some plan. Sooner or later people are going to tire from the lack of improvement and the big buck pricing and start looking somewhere else. It's sad but true that the biggest motivator to improve the product is the Federal Government with new regulations. I will be surprised if Harley lasts much longer than 10 more years with their refusal to get with the world's program to limit or stop the use of oil. It's only a matter of time before overseas legislation excludes the sale of HD products in their countries due to the fact that the product does not meet their rules. And with the present price, the Livewire is just not going to cut it.
So glad I sold my victory vegas, pos.. you can keep your electric bikes too man.. automatic cars are faster but standard transmissions make it a drivers car.. same can be said about gas motors compared to electric motors.
...worked like a charm for Rolex.
I wonder if Harley thinks of themselves like a luxury brand which is why they charge more than what they are worth.
@@doylee469 I like the sound and performance of a well tuned powertrain as well but soon we will not have a choice. Legislators are currently making noises about stopping the sale of gasoline powered vehicles in 10 to 15 years. If you want gas powered you had better be prepared because once they are outlawed for new sales it is very likely that you will be required to pay an additional fee to the government to keep your vehicle registered over and above what you pay normally and you can bet that the price of fuel will skyrocket. The world is moving on and HD is being left behind.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 They ARE a luxury brand, but they don't charge more than they are worth. They charge the price that is the intersection of the most units that they can sell at the highest price. They are priced more than other brands because they ARE a luxury brand, and they are planning to continue going in that direction.
The 107 M8 has about 90hp...not 70...anyway power figures in a cruiser are useless; it’s all about the feel that you have while riding
Having just given up riding Harley’s after 21 yrs, I would doubt it produces 90bhp standard. Stage 1 kit and it might get closer. Oh and I went back to a gsxs1000 after they dropped the Bronx and went with the Pan, lol.
@@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou If we have to talk about power at the wheel it's about 77-85 hp (original-stage1) with about 101-104 ft lbs of torque...there are many videos/charts available on the net. But then we should claim dyno power at the wheel for all the bikes, not only for harleys.
Anyway I think that 107-114 M8 are even too much powerful and pick up speed very quickly (maybe too much for what a cruiser needs).
The gsxs 1000 it's a wonderful bike much much faster than every harley could even dreams of be but it's a completely different type of bike. In a perfect world we should all have at least one of each type that we like, waiting in the garage so that we can enjoy it.
@@BarnettSpeedSuzukiThou That Suzuki is a sweet bike! Bet you really enjoy the ride.
Good enough bike to justify the switch?
@@GPz84 indeed yes worth the swap. She’s a 2019 special edition paint white with blue metallic
pearl effect paint. Hopefully ride more this year in the U.K.
Ummm, I'd rather have 100bhp and not use it than buying an underpowered bike and getting frustrated when I need the extra power. The styling of the HD is awesome. You can see it competes with the scout. I just can't see why a softtail can't make 100bhp from start? The damn thing ways a tonne, it needs it.
I like your reviews, and Harley makes a nice looking bike, but Harley as a company is losing it... More of an apparel\lifestyle company that also sells bikes.
Blah Blah Blah FKN BLAH !!!
@@paulhorvath9784 Okay boomer
Nice job on the review. I'm looking at one of these this coming weekend. It was fun seeing so many places I was familiar with from having lived in that area. I sure do miss the SoCal weather :)
My girl went with this model as she is short. Your right finding neutral is a chore, I dont get that as my 6 speed FatBoy goes right in
Absolutely beautiful classic style motorcycle! I will buy Softail Slim for sure.
Four years in. The Milwaukee 8 still has oil control problems. Cranks not straight. Compensator failures (Compensators?) Cam lifters rotating because of follower guide breakage.
Great business model. Anemic horsepower, so the service department has lots of Stage 1, Stage 2, Stage 3 and Stage 4 engine upgrades. If you touch your bike, the "warranty" is void. Lightest "big twin" is 650 lbs. The reviewer is 140 lbs, 5 ft 7 inches. Can the rider lift the Harley from is side, if it falls over?
I'm 80, fairly fit. I sat on a Softail Special, couldn't lift it off it's side stand. Harley hasn't noticed their core customers are not getting any younger.
Lol. I'm asian 5 ft 4. And weigh in at 150 lbs. I picked up the bike just fine when it dropped. There's pure brute strength and then there's pure technique to picking up a bike that's fallen over. If your grip is that you're old and can't pick up a bike, then I suggest you don't ride anything other than a Honda cb400. Seriously, if you've been riding long enough, weight and picking it up from the floor is the last thing on your mind and seems to me, other than engineering knowledge, you need much much more to be talking about power or what not.
@@sharvin9489 Good for you.
@@arrowrod Thank you. By the way, if you think Harley's core customer base is the Boomer generation turning into their 80's....good for you too. Ride safe, ride great.
🤝Congratulation on your Harley Davidson and wish you a safe journey 🍀😉🤙
Have the Softail Slim 2020 and i also enjoy every ride with it ❤️
Greetings from Austria ☀️
You are spot on about the turn signals. When I rode my Harley I had a hard time adjusting to it. Glad its not just me.
Stop hating on Harley jump on whatever you ride and ride family nothing better than the “free” feeling and we can all come to agreement that that’s why we ride
Almost no instrumentation, crappy mirrors, little suspension, and only $15k! Pass...
15k is a laugh. Besides the boomers ingrained into the HD culture why would a younger buyer even consider this. Hell Indian offers more for the $$ and same class.
@@7mpowerd You got it man!
@@7mpowerd You know "younger buyers" with $15k ready to buy a motorcycle? And be real, there are a lot more Harleys (and dealers) than Indian, bike specs and desirability notwithstanding.
@@caribman10 most younger folks finance don’t buy, many other younger folks my age are so tired of not having fun so they’re wanting fun. Not usually stay in the 6-9k bracket. I put the cap at 13k but I want a mt10. You’re absolutely right many more HD dealers the Indian.
But, but, but... Its a Harley man
Thank you for the review, your comments tie in with my experience of my 2020 softail slim (stage 1)
I for one like it, very cool, iconic looking.
Unfortunately, after riding my friends Honda 750 Shadow Phantom, there is no justification in spending double the amount for this.
Unless you must have that Bar and Shield, and can afford the Harley tax, there’s little to no benefit in spending 18k on this.
Swing a leg over any Harley and you will change your mind my friend.
@@rogershipman3578 i did and instead of a sporster i got a rebel 500. Don't get me wrong they are beautiful bikes, my favorite is the fatbob. But performance wise they lack and technology wise they are behind and value is not there. Of course unless you are looking to buy a classic bike and you are still a cruiser guy, harley is for you. Harleys are old bikes with old technology and if that's what you want that's fine. The issue is that most people are moving away from that.
I think triumph has a better balance portfolio.
It’s got a seat, two wheels a handlebar, a throttle and brakes. That’s all the technology you need. Most of the technology on the “ up to date” motorcycles is not needed in the real world. Unless you race track. All those fancy gizmos aren’t needed, 99.99% of people will never use that technology to its full capability. 98% of riders ride street. They have this thing called a speed limit in America. Cruisers are the best, most comfortable bikes for street. If you’re doing 120 on the street, you’ve got a death wish. Too many unknowns. Take it to the track. I’ve owned 11 motorcycles. Sport to cruiser to touring. I can definitely say my 2013 softail slim was the best handling ride I’ve ever experienced. 2021 is going see a brand new one in my garage 😎
@@rogershipman3578 - been there, done that (didn't change a thing) I buy my bikes to ride not to wear orange & black tshirts! LMAO
I took a shot every time he said "platform". I'm writing this from the grave....
Hey I'm drinking right now imma do it.
Thank your for being fair and giving an honest review, good stuff!
The Size of the Levers is Really a Silly thing to say that its Bad ,,Until you need to Squeeze the Break in Emergency and you can't Apply it if you Have Shorty Levers. I Love my OEM's as I get Better Control and Feedback..
Harley Davidson is the iphone of the motorcycle world. People buy it just because its a harley
There's something in that - though I like the style of this particular one.
I agree, and they charge iPhone prices too.
@@pleasedontwatchthese9593 Mind, I'm not saying I'd buy one and I own a £170 Motorola phone and a Skoda. I recently had to buy my girlfriend an iPhone (SE - she insisted) - more than twice the price and half the screen size - and it really "ground my gears" having to do it. 😆😆
Or because they're..... _________( fill in the blank)
We buy them cause we can....ppl that knock them are simply jealous and don't have the money cause their to busy complaining in life and not working for what they want.
Very nice review!
By the math: 107 cubic inch engine, 1745 cc, 73.6 HP, 99 fat-lb, $16-17,000, depending on paint. I can buy a pickup for that. And why doesn't the Slim offer the bigger engine? 'Cause then you have to spend the extra bucks to Harley to bring it up to those specs. Greedy, lazy and cowardly.
Really? "2030 Prices-1930's Technology!"
A measly 74 Hp from 1745 cc is insane. About 70 HP for 700 lbs, pretty much the same power to weight ratio of a riding lawnmower.
I've ridden Harleys since my first '66 Sportster, (measured in 1966 with 60 hp, BTW), back in '73, and owned a '56 Pan, an Evo Heritage, and two Twin Cam Heritages. No company in American history has so abused, ignored and bleed its customers white, from overpriced parts, $55 T-shirts, and outrageous service costs per hour.
Never again. Harley keeps using the word, "exclusive" in their new terminology. That translates to chrome battleships that only the richest can own.
So sad, Harley. I was loyal to you for 45 years and you just kept abusing my love and devotion...and Visa card.
I'm putting money down on an Indian FTR S, 1203 cc, $14,700, 120 HP, 88 ft-lb, 482 lbs. Real performance.
Bye Bye, Harley. It was fun while I was mesmerized by beautiful but sluggish/slow/terrible lean angles/mediocre brakes/way overpriced.
70 hp? seven zero?
Yup and over 100 ftlbs torque.. does your plastic gsxr spin that up?
@@doylee469 Ahhh, another Harley douche.
That plastic GSXR would eat up any Harley tractor! Harley needs that torque to get its overweight ass moving, then it's pretty much gutless. 70hp from a big v twin, trying to propel a 600 pound paperweight. But Hey, some women love them!
Not everyone can handle a high horsepower scalpel, that's probably why you see so many women riding Harleys, plus the vibration against their vaginas is pleasing.
@@GPz84 jajajajajaja you go it all right .
@@doylee469 Drag race them and find out.
@@doylee469 yes because a nearly 2 liter v2 making 100ft lbs is SOOO much more then the 87ft lbs a 1,000cc gsxr makes. It just can’t keep up with that HD can it. Hell my fjr1300 does 130ft lbs on 87 gas AND less displacement the a HD.
This comment section is very entertaining to me 😂😂😂
i don't like that bar on the handle bars. that would have to be the first thing to go. It makes me wonder where else have they tried to cut costs.
People have no concept of power. They just hear it on a spec sheet and think the bigger the better.
The reason the HD peak torque figures are higher than most and surely higher at lower rpms is that they make more power at lower rpms than most bikes. That means they get going quick at reasonable street speeds. Try and flog it on a track and one would be woefully disappointed as it doesn't have a high peak power to propel it around at 140 mph.
But if you have any sense, you're not riding around at 140 mph on public streets so 150 hp is just a meaningless number on a spec sheet.
The kids will never learn...
@@mhoeij If you really want to compare power between engines, you can throw out the torque curve and just overlay the power curves. They tell one everything there is to know about the engine's power output.
Torque at a particular rpm is just another power point on the power curve that no one ever bothers to calculate. But between that point and the peak power value, you know the power at 2 rpms across an engine's entire power band. Almost meaningless.
@@mhoeij Not how it works. An engine makes power from idle to redline. Power is proportional to torque*rpm. So, knowing the torque at any given rpm tells you the power at one particular rpm.
Here's an example:
Say HD makes torque of 100 ft*lbs @ 3000 rpm. Then its HP at 3000 rpm = (100*3000)/5252 = 57 hp @ 3k rpm
Now, say a Diavel makes 100 ft*lbs @ 7000 rpm. Then its HP at 7000 rpm = (100*7000)/5252 = 57 hp = 133 hp @ 7k rpm
So the same torque value at different rpms means the engine is putting out vastly different levels of power.
The Diavel makes a ton more power, but you have to spin it up to get it. It may or may not make 57 hp at 3k rpm. So, just tooling around and nailing the throttle may actually feel more spirited on the HD.
Now, if you're going 120 mph and hit the throttle, the Diavel is going to feel a hell of a lot spunkier. The HD probably can't even hit 120 mph, but on a street bike, who cares?
@@mhoeij A linear power curve will create a flat torque curve. That's how the math works.
Engine torque is a concept that is of no real use to a rider. That's why I say you can just lay power curves over each other and see if an engine makes power where you like it.
If you want to increase torque to the rear wheel, you shift down to first gear. If you want to increase the speed the rear wheel can rotate, you shift up to sixth gear.
In first gear you sacrifice speed for torque. In sixth gear you sacrifice torque for speed. The torque calculated back to the engine's crank is superfluous.
Cruising with one hand doing a buck 20 on my 1290 SuperDuke R and didn't even realize it.
@@Lex-Rex I'm sure the bike will do it with ease. I have a hard time believing you do though. I have a Thruxton. When I do 110 mph the wind is trying to separate me from the bike. When I do it on my Road King it is effortless as the windscreen deflects the wind. Of course, with the Roadie, that's all it has. Not that I really care. There are only a couple of wide open roads in the middle of nowhere that I will ride anywhere near that fast.
Rebel 1100 anyone? Way cheaper and better
Ride both. You'll see pretty quickly why one is way cheaper
@Casey R. Not a hater and i see your point. But they are in a tough situation now. I really like the panamerica. Love that they kept the vtwin. I wonder how long they can continue to run the company selling classics to a customer base that continues to shrink. I think triumph does a better job.
@Casey R. You are right and there is so much they can improve. As for example, the company knows they can get more power out of these engines but they make the tons of money having people modify their bikes. So not only they give you a below average product, they expect you to pay to have it perform to the level it should be stock. There are few things i like about harley, style and sound, fatbob, panamerica but like you said it is ridiculous that they got rid of the bronx. Even if a harley customer what's to buy a sporty, light bike, harley doesn't offer one to them...makes no sense...
@@caruser4 and you'll see my tail lights getting smaller & smaller as they disappear out of sight! LMAO
@@anthonysilvestri4946 along with your resale value 👍🏽
Love my 17 slim 103, I have too use dirt roads to get home no need for fancy for me!
Just got the same one! Love it!
We need head to head comparison between HD and Indian
2017 Softail Slim......103......I did the Performance Cams. S&S. Arlen Ness Intake. V&H Short Shots.... Stage III,,,,,,,Fucking Flies.......
Is this in Orange County?
Guaranteed that none of the Harley haters in this comment section have ever owned or ridden a Harley lol
And we never will either! LMAO
Is Harley still in business?!
@@FullmetalSP1 Not for much longer.
and you'd be wrong. whats your "guarantee" worth?
Great bike awesome and the nitwits at HD Discontinued it after 10 years
Little late to the party here but every ounce of hate in these comment sections for HD is well deserved, HD has become a meme factory. I like all motorcycles and can have a good time on two wheels in any format. But lbh HD brought it on themselves, Al the guys I ride with have new HD bikes and they have all had some funky issue, NEW bikes, unfortunately the guys with older HD’s have issues as well, they are cool and can be fun, but a standard HD is slow, can be problematic, overpriced. Quit saying people are hating on them they brought this shit to the table. OWN it
Anybody who has ridden a Harley Big Twin with only one disc in front will tell you that NO Big Twin should ever have one disc in front.....
I have a Road Glide single disk with a 21" front wheel with a 131ci engine. No issues stopping. Just need to get used to it.
@@Lex-Rex Got that...but that's just it: I don't want to get used to it. I want the shortest safe stop I can get. The double disc Big Twins are actually pretty good for their weight. But if you've experienced any other brand big bikes, a single-disc HD feels like it isn't going to stop, by comparison.
@@caribman10 Compared to my 1290 Superduke, but that is a totally different animal. Regardless, both bikes stop fine, one is just way better LOL. The HD had two discs, but I put a single on it and just changed the master cylinder to a 9/16 bore master cylinder
Their that far behind and dated I'm surprised you don't have to drop an anchor to stop it 😂😂
@@Sniper11 My 2014 street glide special has dual Brembo 4 pot calibers on 320mm disks front and 4 pot single 320 on rear with ABS. They are also have a linked system above 25 mph were a computer module gives both brakes a balance to stop in the shortest distance possible. So in a panic stop if you only grab one brake it will automatically apply pressure to the other brake. My 7 year old bike has a lot of tech and I'm sure the new bikes are even better.
Softails were never offered with a rubber mount.
This, or a Sport Glide?
Is this a beginner bike
ABS an option? No RDRS not offered. Premium European bikes offer stability with IMU standard. Also offer electronic suspension, TFT dash. I would rather a Multistrada V4
Allllll right! 😉🤣🤣🤣 Nice video! Pretty informative! Greetings from Panama!
Harley needs to make a fast, affordable and cool bike under 10k
Yeah, they're coming out with the Bronx. Oh wait.....
Maybe the 1250 custom can change that?
@@edman79 Bronx would've been at least $30K and spent its shelf life in the corner parked next to the Livewires! LOL
@@anthonysilvestri4946 They already had announced pricing if I remember correctly. And it was going to be in the teens.
@@edman79 That bike was Harleys chance....and they phucking blew it.
The Twin Cam 103 engine in the previous Slim model were also counterbalanced.
I don’t like that it sits higher than the 2012-2017. Prolly due to the mono-shock but still.
I'd rather get a triumph speedmaster.
rocket 3
I'd rather get a Triumph "anything" 👍
Nice, enjoyed the review thank you peace
Love a minimalist bike. Great review 👍
Pretty feeble complaints about the turn signals. It’s a Harley, they’ve been doing this forever so get over it. One button each side is very easy to use and the self-cancelling feature is the best in the business.
Getting used to the turn signals would annoy me too
Can't bring myself to ever buy one, but would sure like to spend some time on one. Sometimes what's needed is an effortless cruise, taking in the sites, sounds, and smells. And there's no denying the signature sound. Two Wheels = The Way. Thanks for the review!
Sadly overpriced, for a flawed motorcycle. I like the idea of owning a Harley more than the experience; I have had three, the last was a Heritage 107 (the other softail with foorboards!).
Love mine, in the same paint combo.
I have the exact bike I agree most of what he says but .I have noticed finding nutural blows !!! But all shifting is smooth and quick throttle is awesome 👌 and very snappy when ya need it.plenty of power .glide s over big bumps .I qm almost 300 lbs 5'8" so hight is perfict for me love the floor board s headlight is super bright .Hugs corners really well .they way it handles on high way took some getting used to .handles much different then my wide glide I had. I only put 750 miles on it thus far .but hope to have 3 times that this year .the solo seat blows .I swapped out to a 2up saddle man rides super nice now .first thing I switched out was factory exhoust to dam quiet 🤫. In ct ya need to let cages know your coming. Put on cobra neighbor haters. Very happy w theese slip ons .
If I am to buy an archaic bike that doesn’t do much well, I’d by far rather get a Indian over HD.
HD: yesterday's technology at tomorrow's prices!
@@anthonysilvestri4946 soon all new HD will come with a walker and flomax.
@@7mpowerd and a free 12 pack of urinary catheters! LMAO
@@anthonysilvestri4946 hot diggity daffodils !! That’s the bees knees.
@@7mpowerd l hear their new bike for 2021 is gonna be a mobility scooter called the "Still Alive Wire" and comes with a medic alert bracelet!
"I've fallen off my bike and l can't get up"
Should never put the bike in neutral when waiting in intersections. You might suddenly need to avoid an oncoming car that hasn't seen you or the red light
Nice, debating harley mainly cause I'm sick and tired of the 3 fluid change system they still have... That gets old quick... I like indian, It's easy take 10 minutes parking lot change and keep on riding... Harleys are a chore.. The signal switches are annoying, not trying to right signal and gas/brake at the same time man most of the buddies don't even bother...
@@jackloganbill605 yes.... motor, primary, and transmission... The specs are all different, but most people I know do this 1ce a year... some are premadona sticklers and just do the whole kit every oil change... They all weight differently too by the way...
It's a good looking bike.
Twin cam softails were not rubber mounted. Only touring bikes and sportsters are rubber mounted.
My 07 heritage 96 is. The softails were actually rubber mounted before the touring bikes were.
2019 Harley slim no regrets at all
Being able to understand and remember the turn signal setup is definitely your problem, not the Harley’s problem. First time I’ve ever heard anyone mention this as an issue.
Preload won’t alter the suspension fella, just sag.
Excellent machines. I owned a 2018 Milwaukee 8 107 motor Fat Bob. Wish I had not traded that bike off. Excellent machine. My son owned this Slim model in the 103. Great bike. Yes, not a new tech Indian but I'd set it up there with any other machine and it turns heads.
Indian ain't turning heads.
The 2021 slim only comes with the M8 107
Harley forgot how to innovate for the present-day market.
I would not mind if they charged less for it.
@Casey R. Innovation needn’t be adding IMU, TC, Skyhook suspension, lean sensitive ABS, wheelie control, Super charger etc.. Innovation can also be in the areas of refinement, handling, reducing weight and costs etc..I’m sure lighter Harleys which vibrate less, heat less and cost less are welcome by everyone..
Don’t you think Harley has fallen behind the rivals in these areas as well ?
Forgot? Did they ever know in the first place LMAO
If it is what you want...buy it....tour it...cruise it.....doesn't matter.....JUST RIDE IT
The first thing you should start with is the price