Flew a plane myself, hated it! Crashed all the time, and contributed nothing to the team.. Joined as a backseat gunner of a very skilled pilot, loved it!!! The guy maneuvered us trough cliffs while I took out a handful of fighter planes chasing us. Once you are doing well, this games becomes incredibly amazing!
I felt somewhat disappointed the first time I played the BF1 Beta...but the more I play it, the more I love it! I can't wait to experience the full game now!
Shit most of the time i just one shot them. That cannon is a beast. Takes out planes in one hit bombers too. Infantry and light armour. I don't use anything else. And my Kd is loving it. Not many have caught on to its op potential and i hope it stays that way =)
The tank hunter load out on the attack plane is really fun to use too and extremely satisfying when you can shoot down planes with the single shot cannon.
Hey Levelcap, if you feel like you want to engage infantry more in a plane, try the default loadout on the attack plane. Its main gun has some decent splash damage and it's bombs are nice to finish off an unsuccessful strafing run. It's also fairly effective against other aircraft and tanks, but less so than on infantry. I had tonnes of fun using this and I was even able to co-ordinate with my squad mates to help them take objectives or get rid of pesky snipers.
hey, i noticed this to, but then i played a bit more, and found that the aim is off if you are flying slowly, but if you are flying at max speed it is dead on.
wtf lol 3rd person view in jets have always been off you're flying fast moving forward lol...u have to lead your shots on foot...u think differently in a plane
I'm loving the attack plane. The primary gun is super effective against infantry, and the infantry bombs are great if you know how to time and place them. You have to get pretty close to enemy planes to hit them with the guns, but they do a ton of damage when you do.
for me it's been the opposite experience, for the most part, usually I'll take down the attack planes first. And if I don't I go down before the plane does. Most of my kills with planes though are as a gunner on a bomber and shooting at the ground as a rarely see other planes directly attack us as they are more focused on ground targets too.
The front gun on the Bomber can be devastating to anyone if your pilot isnt rolling like an idiot, I kill more in that gun than piloting with the bombs xD
Idea: Make the capture radius around flags bigger for aircraft. Provides incentive for players to attack aerial targets and allows pilots to contribute more to capturing objectives.
I don't know about you, but the bomber absolutely is a powerful asset on the Battlefield, the third seat in particular is amazingly powerful and acts just like attack helicopter gunner from previous games.
Level, the tank killer loadout for the attack plane is the best thing to kill ground targets with. It's literally a 1 bang if you get close enough with the shot which isn't all that hard to do and you can 2 shot bombers with it fairly quickly. More often than not, I end up banging out at least 1 person before the craft actually dies. The bombs it can drop also do really good damage to vehicles and emplacements, and combined with your primary, can make quick work of vehicles. It's my favorite plane for attacking ground targets. Also, I recommend turning off the option to have the camera roll with the plane. It makes it a lot easier to fly IMO.
They should make the planes that are designed for fighting the ground get lots of points for killing ground units, but only a few points for attacking air units. And the planes that are designed for fighting planes should get lots of points for attacking planes, but only a few for killing ground units.
I've always been a tank/infantry BF player. But these BF1 planes are just too good to ignore, they sound and look sublime. The dog fighting is mouthwatering. Can't wait to put some paint on and fly in the alps come release.
I've got an awesome story that happened just 15 ish minutes ago. After I saw this video I used the kit and went 70 to 16 with a score of 30,000 points. Thanks M8 for the tips
Got a 5 man with the attack plane yesterday, I absolutely love it's bombing capabilities. Just watching those bombs drop and seeing the kill feed is so satisfying
Try out the fighter plane it's the easiest to fly the hardest is the bomber that's probably the one ur trying to fly cause That one is literally like flying a bus
Manu4evr 0001 You have to make super wide turns just to turn around in any of the planes.When go in to a dive it's super hard to pull out of it as well.Turning and climbing and diving is an absolute nightmare.
Level! You need to use the tank hunter class for the attack plane. Not only does it do good damage ground targets, but it 1 hit kills a fighter, 2 hits a attack plane, and 3 hits a slow moving bomber. Not counting the fact that you can take out a pilot with splash damage in one shot on everything.
Completely disagree with this, This is a amazing game and people feel completely different about this game then Hardline as a lot of people were sceptical about it but the majority of the people love this game and a really smal percentage has a sceptical feel or doesn't like it.
the bomber killer is definitely my favorite fighter loadout. I've taking out alot of other planes with it as well as a few infantry. I really do love not having lock on weapons because it now requires a little more skill to use and it feels awesome when you get a kill with the rockets!
with a good crew the Bomber is deadly AF! me and my m8 get 50 killstreaks if we arent being contested much. I mean... have u seen the front gun vs infantry!?
I see the bomber even op when played it a lot with two friends. The front seat shoots explosive shots to the ground which is a nightmare to infantry, the actual bombs are so good if you learn how to do strafing runs properly and the back gunner protects you from other planes, you always have an advantage over them since you have way more hp. If the gunner is a good one, he can dominate whoever is in your tail.
The rocket accuracy tho, way too straight and accurate. Even at WWII rockets were just coming in and normalized. Even then they were pretty inaccurate and would stray off target by huge margins. Obvi this isnt an accurate time period game, but imo they should either lower velocity or initial speed ramp up time, or just wide ass spread after 1st rocket.
Rockets Fly straight and true, while most small arms have random bullet deviation.... Sound like another classic BF will be almost playable within a year of release.
False. Bf1 is better than 3 amd 4 because you're not going goddamn Mach 7 and can actually have fun dog fights. And you have a crew in the plane with you. I think that's really fun to have my squad mate in my gunner seat communicating with me.
I had a dog fight last night. Was peppering the plane in front for a good minute and did maybe 30 points of damage. Another plane from the rear kills me in 2 seconds
Hate the way battlefield is becoming more and more dumbed down over the years it's becoming more like an arcade shooter. Where have the bloody runways gone where you actually take off in a fighter plane? Why don't we spawn at our bases anymore and have to run into the action or run to get into a vehicle? The gameplay and team elements that were central to the battlefield games have been lost since battlefield 3 and now everyone just runs and guns every man for himself trying to top the frikin leaderboard:( (still enjoying bf1 Tho but still feel the magic of battlefield is being lost)
+Just Focus and Observe Because people keep bitching about graphics "oh these graphics are shit. would've been good in 2005." so developers try to make better graphics to make those graphic people stfu. but yea I still find battlefield fun
The best bombing run I've ever done I've made my front seat gunner with the explosive rounds drop 83-0 I believe it was last night. I'm not gonna tell the secret cause I don't want people taking our strategy but I'm pretty sure some of you can figure it out, I will say our air support 100% solely came from other squad member(s), and mostly not from friendly planes, but we did have 1 or 2 helping out occasionally.
LevelCap how about you do a video about all the bugs you could find and if possible, include steps about how to reproduce them? I think that would really help the developers at DICE get their game right on launch so we don't have BF4's launch all over again. If you do that then thank you for helping get this game rid of bugs. Please keep this comment on the top ones so LevelCap can read it. Thank you.
Level you might want to check out the Tank Hunter package for the attacker. Once you get good at figuring out the trajectory for the cannon, it messes other aircraft up. And it does significant work to enemy infantry and vehicles as well
They should buff all the planes damage to behemoths, so it would force planes on the loosing team to need to destroy the winning team's planes to keep their behemoth operational. This would give some more purpose to aerial dog fights.
For those curious these rockets are based on the Le Prieur rockets, which started to see use in 1916. Here's the wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Prieur_rocket
the arial combat actually does interact the ground in my opinion. The bomber is simply ac-130, which take infantry out really good if the font seat aims good enough. the attack plane is tank destroyer and the fighter is guardian of bomber and attack plane.
the trench fighter plane is really good for ground attacks. you can take out Calvary and sentrys and flame troops in one attack. If you are good in it too you can fly over a bomber and take that out in 1 hit too. I have a little over 300 kills with it. you should try it. you also get to drop flares for your team.
I recently tried out the fighter plane. It's faster than the other 2 planes, so trying not to hit anything is harder, but it's perfect for killing aircraft. I'm trying to get better at it, and it's really fun.
LevelCap, on the bomber the front turret is super effective against infantry because it does splash damage and it takes about 10-15 shots to kill infantry. I have gotten about 50+ kills with it in a half an hour of playing it (In multiple games).
The bomber is one of the best planes.If you have a friend on the front gun it basically ends up like an ac130 and after you get used to the bombs you can blow up and track tanks easily I love it
Personally I love the tank cannon on the attack plane. The satisfaction of a one shot kill is so much better than in BF4 or BF3, and really shakes up everyones playstyle
This is an amazing game with some balancing issues. Even if the balancing isn't fixed I'll still buy it and it'll probably be my go to multiplayer for a few years.
Good advice. I enjoy the fact that there aren't any lock on weapons. I had fun flying, though, I was eh towards it when I started the beta. Can't wait to fly in the vanilla game.
This may just be a difference between console and PC, but so far on the beta on Xbox the bombers generally affect the ground game a fair bit at C, since it's a pretty common location to get bombed at (at also, if the snipers on roofs around C get on my nerves, I generally just hop in a bomber and remove the buildings from the equation, so the bomber can help with counter-sniping a lot too).
He doesn't say anything about aiming those rockets. We need more tutorial kind of videos instead of ranting. Just that he had so much fun. I had to observe the video long enough to understand it but I think I got it. Never use the crosshair unless you're exactly in line with the other plane. Using the crosshair generally results in a miss. You have to aim the rockets using the two sides between the top and the middle wings where the rockets are located. 7:15 is a good example for that. The angle of approach requires that you overlook the crosshair and aim according to the wings' alignment. Just think that there are two circle shaped crosshairs on the sides.
i have several rounds where i have played with my friends with the bomber and a wingman, the bomber is super efficient at taking E and locking down C and D if you have a good wingman. if you have someone in the squad keeping the air clean, the bomber might be the secound most powerfull veichle in the game, after the light tank
Levecap says the planes are unbalanced, and aren't good at killing ground targets. However, I am under the impression that the tank hunter attack plane is the most epic plane, and that bombers are great too since I flew for a guy who went 40-0 once with the front gun on the bomber killing infantry.
Do bomber gunners get to use auto cannons or are they limited to the MGs? In WW1 some gunners used auto cannons were shoot Balloons, Trucks, Boats, Trains, Artillery points, and occasionally other planes. It was basically the WW1 Gunship.
They finally removed the timer from Conquest, matches are now all about tickets... now if only kills would count for something so that airplanes can actually contribute to the game. Either that or they could add a capture point the size of the map itself (maybe a bit smaller) so that aerial superiority is an actual incentive. I also think Bomber driver and backseat need a buff. Give bombs either larger AoE or more splash damage and give the backseat the same turret as the Attack plane's gunner so that Fighters actually have to work for their points.
It's fairly realistic that the planes can't do much to the ground, they already pushed the envelope as far as what weapons planes really had to try to make them useful to some extent, unlike a modern attack chopper or CAS fighter/bomber
LvL, you know why you feel the ground game and the aerial game are separated? Because you're just cheesing in the fighter (which gunners in the attack or bomber planes can't really do anything about). The tank hunter attack plane can get 1000+ points per tank kill, and it's entirely reasonable to kill even a landship in one pass. Branch out to the attack plane and stop cheesing on the relatively defenseless attack and bomber planes.
The point of flying fighters it not to disrupt the ground battle, it's to stop enemy bombers and attackers from doing the same to your team. ;) I think in this regard they did a very good job. Much better than in BF4 where there were fewer planes flying at any given time, fighters were completely useless against ground targets and even the attackers were frankly underwhelming.
personally i love the attack plane, not the fighter plane. that tank hunter cannon it has can literally one hit kill any plane and if you're even decently accurate with planes, which i seem to be, then it's incredibly powerful. I am so incredibly excited for this game. This game and rainbow six siege have been the highlights of my year so far tbh. rainbow is full of bugs even tho its been out for a year now but it's still fun as hell
I love the Fighter with the rocket pods ! So much fun flying . Dice Please Don't BUFF it's not OP ! On the other hand I've shot down plane's with my Lmg from the ground. Which also is awesome!
i have to agree with your comments about the bombers there great visually and you can get some kills here and there but there just to slow and get taken out to easily, the one thing i was thinking to buff them is make the tail gunner stronger against other airplanes or have a longer time till it hits the overheat mechanic because its way to weak at the moment, all in all enjoying the aerial combat in BF1 so far :) good video btw charlie :)
I've seen some amazing bombers. Pilots that fly inverted at high altitude letting their explosive round equiped nose gunner tear ground targets to shreds.
THERE SHOULD BE A TRENCH WARFARE GAMEMODE WHERE THERE IS A ATTACKING TEAM AND A DEFEND TEAM. THE GAMEMODE IS LIKE RUSH AND CONQUEST TOGETHER, THE ATTACKING TEAM WOULD START IN A TRENCH AND SO WOULD THE DEFENDERS AND THEN THE DEFENDERS WOULD HAVE TIME TO PREPARE LIKE RUSH THEN THE ATTACKERS WOULD CHARGE AND TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INTO THE DEFENDING TRENCH AND CAPTURE THE TRENCH TO ADVANCE IN A CERTAIN TIME LIMT. COMMANDER MODE COULD ALSO BE ADDED BY GIVING SUPPLY DROPS AND ARTILLERY STRIKES TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK AND LEAVE A LIKE OF IT SOUNDS GOOD
Ive played a number of games where bombers have had a big disruptive impact at C and D for the ground forces. Destroying biildings with infi in and on them and blowing away cover. plus keeping tanks off of D.
When I was flying the bomber there was a plane behind me shooting me I flew straight up and slowed down, dropped my Bombs and they hit the plane as he flew by and I got a multi kill lol it was so funny and unexpected.
the front mg on the bomber is crazy good against infantry though, you can fly over C flag and kill 5-7 infantry as you go by as long as you don't let it overheat
Try the tank hunter on the attack plane with a gunner. It doesn't tell you but you have two bombs and after every shot with the main cannon press reload so you always have full ammo.
Aerial combat will be harder to interact with the ground combat in this game from a balance perspective. Infantry have very limited ways of dealing with aircraft, aside from the anti-air emplacements (which leave you completely vulnerable while utilizing), so if planes are too powerful--and your pilots aren't doing well--then it would pretty much leave enemy pilots unchallenged as they slaughter ground targets. We'll see what else is available once the full game is released, but it's not like infantry have access to stingers or even a proper RPG.
if you use the tankhunter load out for the attack plane its main shell is amazing for taking out infy targets and aircraft if you lead your target well enough it can one hit any aircraft if you get a derect hit
Like to hitch a ride to capture a flag. But I'll contribute using the back seat gun. Best map is Mount Grappa. Have a at least 10 take downs as a back seat gunner.
i like playing from the front turret on the bomber super easy to get infantry kills when strafing runs, tears fighters apart as long as you can get behind them too
Flew a plane myself, hated it! Crashed all the time, and contributed nothing to the team..
Joined as a backseat gunner of a very skilled pilot, loved it!!! The guy maneuvered us trough cliffs while I took out a handful of fighter planes chasing us. Once you are doing well, this games becomes incredibly amazing!
Di you play on pc or console?
Was his name Jes4sfreak? Cause that may have been me, I play on pc.
Meh, I can't even support the pilot as a backseat gunner.
Thomas Bulhoes Yea the controls on ps4 are a bit wonky, I am also new to BF so I need to practice lol
+DanTheMan use lefty vet with southpaw
I felt somewhat disappointed the first time I played the BF1 Beta...but the more I play it, the more I love it! I can't wait to experience the full game now!
Ikr! I
Same here! Even though it needs some quality improvements, e.g. in the UI.
+Kyllyttelija same though
I was exactly the same
how do you know?
Shooting at a bomber in the attack plane feels like the UAVs in the BF4 test range.
ahha good one
Use the tank hunter loadout, hit it 2-3 times with your main canon, it will go down pretty quickly.
Shit most of the time i just one shot them. That cannon is a beast. Takes out planes in one hit bombers too. Infantry and light armour. I don't use anything else. And my Kd is loving it. Not many have caught on to its op potential and i hope it stays that way =)
lol
that loadout is satisfying af.
IM SO HAPPY THERE IS NO LOCK ON BULLSHIT
Ikr
Remember the helicopters in B4?
+Daniel Pennybaker yeah right when u spawned helicopter piip piip piip piip piip piiiiip booom
yah i hated lock on, but they should of just reduce the tracking in bf4.
noobs complained about lock on missiles
The tank hunter load out on the attack plane is really fun to use too and extremely satisfying when you can shoot down planes with the single shot cannon.
If they want two different battlefields in one map, why don't they just add an aerial objective?
E is an aerial objective.....
E is essentially an aerial objective, but it needs some tweaks like expanding the capture area a little bit to make it more viable.
There could be an additional flag called AIR which has very large capping area (naturally in the air).
+Kyllyttelija yeah like in bf4
+Smijeva no
You make it look so easy! I have a weird obsession with playing the fighter pilot, but I'm terrible at it.
Hey Levelcap, if you feel like you want to engage infantry more in a plane, try the default loadout on the attack plane. Its main gun has some decent splash damage and it's bombs are nice to finish off an unsuccessful strafing run. It's also fairly effective against other aircraft and tanks, but less so than on infantry. I had tonnes of fun using this and I was even able to co-ordinate with my squad mates to help them take objectives or get rid of pesky snipers.
Thing I noticed with planes is that 3rd person aim seems a bit off.
3rd person aiming is of in all vehicles, dont know if its a bug or intentional to make us play more in first person
Yeah, but not as much as in bf1, third person lacke accuracy but it didn't misguide you entirely
hey, i noticed this to, but then i played a bit more, and found that the aim is off if you are flying slowly, but if you are flying at max speed it is dead on.
Shouldnt even be a crosshair in 3rd person
wtf lol
3rd person view in jets have always been off
you're flying fast moving forward lol...u have to lead your shots on foot...u think differently in a plane
I'm loving the attack plane. The primary gun is super effective against infantry, and the infantry bombs are great if you know how to time and place them. You have to get pretty close to enemy planes to hit them with the guns, but they do a ton of damage when you do.
machine guns on the attack plane and bombers needs to be buffed up
for me it's been the opposite experience, for the most part, usually I'll take down the attack planes first. And if I don't I go down before the plane does. Most of my kills with planes though are as a gunner on a bomber and shooting at the ground as a rarely see other planes directly attack us as they are more focused on ground targets too.
The front gun on the Bomber can be devastating to anyone if your pilot isnt rolling like an idiot, I kill more in that gun than piloting with the bombs xD
+Brandon Smith Fuck yeah i said the same thing, the self repair is OP in tanks and planes
The gunners machine guns definitely. But the main gun in the attack planes drivers seat is kinda OP. Shreds bombers in seconds
***** biplane can turn very fast ya know
I would also recommend to spot enemy aircraft so if they try to out run you and, you can't see them, you can still follow :)
I mean spot them to see them on radar*
Attack plane tank hunter loadout is all you need
Yep
Its too satisfying to get long range hits on enemy planes, even sniping horses is hilarious!
you will be owned by fighter jet...
+zanek74 Jet in Battlefield 1?
yeah no kidding, i already have 360 kills with the attack plane
Idea: Make the capture radius around flags bigger for aircraft. Provides incentive for players to attack aerial targets and allows pilots to contribute more to capturing objectives.
Finally dice made flying easier.. dogfights in bf4 were awfully hard for new pilots
i am a pretty decent pilot in bf4 and i find it way harder in bf1
+sir313jonsson same
damn I want BF3 and BF4 flying mechanics back
+TheChrix1 agreed
That's not a good thing
I don't know about you, but the bomber absolutely is a powerful asset on the Battlefield, the third seat in particular is amazingly powerful and acts just like attack helicopter gunner from previous games.
first time I'm playing a battlefield game and it seems pretty fun
Welcome to the world of battlefield brethren
welcome to the battlefield dude :)
Ja, ist gut
my first time was yesterday too anyone want to squad up and teach me stuff
keem is cancer what system are you on?
This game is the most I've had fun flying in any battlefield game, so much diversity and it's amazing
I so hope that Air Superiority is a vanilla game mode and not DLC.... Never thought id say that
It was leaked in the alpha files that Air Superiority is indeed a vanilla game mode. Oddly enough, it also had 64 players as the default player count.
+Squiggly Face™ I don't want to draw any comparisons but I think they're trying to do a fighter squadron in battlefield 1.
Level, the tank killer loadout for the attack plane is the best thing to kill ground targets with. It's literally a 1 bang if you get close enough with the shot which isn't all that hard to do and you can 2 shot bombers with it fairly quickly. More often than not, I end up banging out at least 1 person before the craft actually dies. The bombs it can drop also do really good damage to vehicles and emplacements, and combined with your primary, can make quick work of vehicles. It's my favorite plane for attacking ground targets. Also, I recommend turning off the option to have the camera roll with the plane. It makes it a lot easier to fly IMO.
i feel like this game needs to be more unique in the menu in stead of it being the plannet and being modern like battlefront make it an old newspaper
+Felix Argyle i guess but it just doesnt fit the time period and feels too simular to starwars battlefront
+Felix Argyle oh yeh so im i but it would be nice to make it feel like you're in that time period
The menu is a placeholder
+FalloutPro21 so it could change is what you meen ?
+Mr Slav MAN yeah it's a placeholder. I heard that the announcer is also a placeholder.
Speaking on sound effects, I like hearing the planes fly overhead when I'm on an objective. Love when a pilot buzzes the objective.
Would you mind showing us how you configured your flightcontrols? i just cant figure out how to make this thing flyable.
They should make the planes that are designed for fighting the ground get lots of points for killing ground units, but only a few points for attacking air units. And the planes that are designed for fighting planes should get lots of points for attacking planes, but only a few for killing ground units.
The best part on the bombers is the machine gun on the front! It is awesome against infantry!
Many a horse have fallen to that turret
Wish the rear gun was the same kind tbh, or a AA gun :P
an AA gun would be awesome and make it so bombers could stand a chance but it would look retarted and totally unbeleivable
***** Yeah, the rear gun is useless right now...
love that front gun! until an enemy plane gets behind you, then that's the end of that.
I've always been a tank/infantry BF player. But these BF1 planes are just too good to ignore, they sound and look sublime. The dog fighting is mouthwatering. Can't wait to put some paint on and fly in the alps come release.
while I was playing I ended up bombing a bomber with my bomber
noyce
Bomberception
epic I've been wanting to do that
bruh flying on pc is way easier im😴
+johnathan medlock I play Xbox one
I've got an awesome story that happened just 15 ish minutes ago. After I saw this video I used the kit and went 70 to 16 with a score of 30,000 points. Thanks M8 for the tips
yeah yeah all 17 of you are first...........
Got a 5 man with the attack plane yesterday, I absolutely love it's bombing capabilities. Just watching those bombs drop and seeing the kill feed is so satisfying
i got 5man in front seat of bomber they were in a tank
Check out my 6 man kill (Including a tank). 2000 points in 5 seconds. (Latest video)
The front gun is better at taking out targets than the bombs themselves.. it feels like a mini AC130 with the explosive splashes.
These things are barely manoeuvreable it's like trying to fly a double decker london bus with wings.
Amen to that shit, or maybe we just suck ass
Actually i can control these planes better than i can in bf4 maybe your just not meant to be a pilot :(
Try out the fighter plane it's the easiest to fly the hardest is the bomber that's probably the one ur trying to fly cause That one is literally like flying a bus
Manu4evr 0001 You have to make super wide turns just to turn around in any of the planes.When go in to a dive it's super hard to pull out of it as well.Turning and climbing and diving is an absolute nightmare.
That's because they WERE like that in WW1. A touch of realism where realism wasn't really needed.
Level! You need to use the tank hunter class for the attack plane. Not only does it do good damage ground targets, but it 1 hit kills a fighter, 2 hits a attack plane, and 3 hits a slow moving bomber. Not counting the fact that you can take out a pilot with splash damage in one shot on everything.
The whole GAME is arcady, we will play this game for maybe 2-3 months then go back to BF4 just like we did with Hardline and Battlefront.
Completely disagree with this, This is a amazing game and people feel completely different about this game then Hardline as a lot of people were sceptical about it but the majority of the people love this game and a really smal percentage has a sceptical feel or doesn't like it.
Agreed.
All battlefield games are and were arcady.
+Felix Argyle ikr
+Ramsay Bolton True
the bomber killer is definitely my favorite fighter loadout. I've taking out alot of other planes with it as well as a few infantry. I really do love not having lock on weapons because it now requires a little more skill to use and it feels awesome when you get a kill with the rockets!
the bomber is pretty powerful of no one is attacking it specially the firebombs it can drop more 20 bombs
typo opps
double typo. typoception
Lol I've never killed anyone in a bomber and I'm rank 40..yet I've killed more than 200 enemies in other planes
with a good crew the Bomber is deadly AF! me and my m8 get 50 killstreaks if we arent being contested much. I mean... have u seen the front gun vs infantry!?
Try it its so underated even the front gun is good I got a multi with that
I see the bomber even op when played it a lot with two friends. The front seat shoots explosive shots to the ground which is a nightmare to infantry, the actual bombs are so good if you learn how to do strafing runs properly and the back gunner protects you from other planes, you always have an advantage over them since you have way more hp. If the gunner is a good one, he can dominate whoever is in your tail.
The rocket accuracy tho, way too straight and accurate. Even at WWII rockets were just coming in and normalized. Even then they were pretty inaccurate and would stray off target by huge margins. Obvi this isnt an accurate time period game, but imo they should either lower velocity or initial speed ramp up time, or just wide ass spread after 1st rocket.
If they slow speed you will never hit a plane so maybe bigger spread would be better
Exactly, in War Thunder I can't hit shit with rockets lol
Or they could make the plane start shaking from firing each rocket.
+ALph4 russian low tier plane with rockets and then just hunt for catalina's.
Rockets Fly straight and true, while most small arms have random bullet deviation.... Sound like another classic BF will be almost playable within a year of release.
Flying planes in this game is one of the most satisfying things i've ever done in a game. It was amazing.
Best flying: Bf2>Bf3>Bf4>Bf1
Got worse every time :P
lock on in bf4 was worse.
bf2 was good? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
False. Bf1 is better than 3 amd 4 because you're not going goddamn Mach 7 and can actually have fun dog fights. And you have a crew in the plane with you. I think that's really fun to have my squad mate in my gunner seat communicating with me.
+David Jones yeah that's one of the funniest things in this game
even though i play on only 40 fps,i'm absolutely enjoying this game .the sound is ridiculous and the realism of the desert is outstanding
I think the hit detection is way off like it was in battlefront.
agreed.
Yeah when I'm gunning from the back, I can litterally see the tracers going through his plane, but nothing registers.
or if you're too close to a plane your bullets and rockets tend to not register
I had a dog fight last night. Was peppering the plane in front for a good minute and did maybe 30 points of damage. Another plane from the rear kills me in 2 seconds
Probably because Battlefield 1 is actually Battlefront 1914.
I love what Dice did with this game, this is the only game I play besides Skyrim and Fallout, especially flying
Hate the way battlefield is becoming more and more dumbed down over the years it's becoming more like an arcade shooter. Where have the bloody runways gone where you actually take off in a fighter plane? Why don't we spawn at our bases anymore and have to run into the action or run to get into a vehicle? The gameplay and team elements that were central to the battlefield games have been lost since battlefield 3 and now everyone just runs and guns every man for himself trying to top the frikin leaderboard:( (still enjoying bf1 Tho but still feel the magic of battlefield is being lost)
+Just Focus and Observe Because people keep bitching about graphics "oh these graphics are shit. would've been good in 2005." so developers try to make better graphics to make those graphic people stfu. but yea I still find battlefield fun
Runways and vehicles spawning in bases were removed to stop base rape which is actually really good, so yeah i wouldn't complain about that.
I miss the runways as well
Runways were total ass. Getting shredded by a jet flying around the badges is incredibly annoying. Stop bitching.
The best bombing run I've ever done I've made my front seat gunner with the explosive rounds drop 83-0 I believe it was last night. I'm not gonna tell the secret cause I don't want people taking our strategy but I'm pretty sure some of you can figure it out, I will say our air support 100% solely came from other squad member(s), and mostly not from friendly planes, but we did have 1 or 2 helping out occasionally.
Am I the only ine who hates this kill feed? It's lame
Lol the guns are backwards, as if you killed yourself
You talking about what pops up below your crosshairs when you kill someone?
Yeah, its pretty big and takes forever.
RPG I'm talking about the one on the buttom but that's also lame
I have it turned off. The less shit on the screen the better.
Yeah I've disabled it.
LevelCap how about you do a video about all the bugs you could find and if possible, include steps about how to reproduce them? I think that would really help the developers at DICE get their game right on launch so we don't have BF4's launch all over again. If you do that then thank you for helping get this game rid of bugs.
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Level you might want to check out the Tank Hunter package for the attacker. Once you get good at figuring out the trajectory for the cannon, it messes other aircraft up. And it does significant work to enemy infantry and vehicles as well
this loadout is great, and its really satisfying getting kills with the rockets. Coming from an advanced pilot, it will take some getting used to
They should buff all the planes damage to behemoths, so it would force planes on the loosing team to need to destroy the winning team's planes to keep their behemoth operational. This would give some more purpose to aerial dog fights.
I've been playing with the fighter planes a lot and I couldn't agree more with the things you're saying. Keep up the good work!
For those curious these rockets are based on the Le Prieur rockets, which started to see use in 1916. Here's the wikipedia article: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Le_Prieur_rocket
I really like the way you show the montage before the commentary
the arial combat actually does interact the ground in my opinion. The bomber is simply ac-130, which take infantry out really good if the font seat aims good enough. the attack plane is tank destroyer and the fighter is guardian of bomber and attack plane.
I love being on the ground and hearing a plane zoom overheard real fast
the trench fighter plane is really good for ground attacks. you can take out Calvary and sentrys and flame troops in one attack. If you are good in it too you can fly over a bomber and take that out in 1 hit too. I have a little over 300 kills with it. you should try it. you also get to drop flares for your team.
I recently tried out the fighter plane. It's faster than the other 2 planes, so trying not to hit anything is harder, but it's perfect for killing aircraft. I'm trying to get better at it, and it's really fun.
LevelCap, on the bomber the front turret is super effective against infantry because it does splash damage and it takes about 10-15 shots to kill infantry. I have gotten about 50+ kills with it in a half an hour of playing it (In multiple games).
The bomber is one of the best planes.If you have a friend on the front gun it basically ends up like an ac130 and after you get used to the bombs you can blow up and track tanks easily I love it
Personally I love the tank cannon on the attack plane. The satisfaction of a one shot kill is so much better than in BF4 or BF3, and really shakes up everyones playstyle
The Attack Plane with the cannon loadout, is pretty badass. I've shot down other attack planes and bombers with it
gonna love dumbfire rockets in world war 1 setting , good knowledge in history dice
the attack plane with the tank destroyer set is my bread and butter at the moment i can fly again in battlefield cant wait for the game's release.
This is an amazing game with some balancing issues. Even if the balancing isn't fixed I'll still buy it and it'll probably be my go to multiplayer for a few years.
Level the bombers front gun is extremely accurate and does splash damage. It's so easy to use as long as you have a steady pilot
This was amazing. I love this loadout and it's great for taking out annoying bombers quickly
Good advice. I enjoy the fact that there aren't any lock on weapons. I had fun flying, though, I was eh towards it when I started the beta. Can't wait to fly in the vanilla game.
Your one death by crashing into the blimp is historically accurate because that was their purpose: to take up airspace so enemy pilots couldn't fly.
This may just be a difference between console and PC, but so far on the beta on Xbox the bombers generally affect the ground game a fair bit at C, since it's a pretty common location to get bombed at (at also, if the snipers on roofs around C get on my nerves, I generally just hop in a bomber and remove the buildings from the equation, so the bomber can help with counter-sniping a lot too).
Using the downwards facing shotguns on the fighter to take out bombers is my new hobby
He doesn't say anything about aiming those rockets. We need more tutorial kind of videos instead of ranting. Just that he had so much fun. I had to observe the video long enough to understand it but I think I got it. Never use the crosshair unless you're exactly in line with the other plane. Using the crosshair generally results in a miss. You have to aim the rockets using the two sides between the top and the middle wings where the rockets are located. 7:15 is a good example for that. The angle of approach requires that you overlook the crosshair and aim according to the wings' alignment. Just think that there are two circle shaped crosshairs on the sides.
i have several rounds where i have played with my friends with the bomber and a wingman, the bomber is super efficient at taking E and locking down C and D if you have a good wingman. if you have someone in the squad keeping the air clean, the bomber might be the secound most powerfull veichle in the game, after the light tank
Levecap says the planes are unbalanced, and aren't good at killing ground targets. However, I am under the impression that the tank hunter attack plane is the most epic plane, and that bombers are great too since I flew for a guy who went 40-0 once with the front gun on the bomber killing infantry.
Do bomber gunners get to use auto cannons or are they limited to the MGs?
In WW1 some gunners used auto cannons were shoot Balloons, Trucks, Boats, Trains, Artillery points, and occasionally other planes. It was basically the WW1 Gunship.
Same, i love flying ! The tank hunter plane is epic !
They finally removed the timer from Conquest, matches are now all about tickets... now if only kills would count for something so that airplanes can actually contribute to the game.
Either that or they could add a capture point the size of the map itself (maybe a bit smaller) so that aerial superiority is an actual incentive.
I also think Bomber driver and backseat need a buff. Give bombs either larger AoE or more splash damage and give the backseat the same turret as the Attack plane's gunner so that Fighters actually have to work for their points.
It's fairly realistic that the planes can't do much to the ground, they already pushed the envelope as far as what weapons planes really had to try to make them useful to some extent, unlike a modern attack chopper or CAS fighter/bomber
it doesn't feel separated if you use the tank hunter attack plane, its really easy and fun to kill infantry and ground vehicals
Dirty Bomb's Stoker loadout:
primary: aku-12 or M4(no attachment)
secondary: unica 6, magnum .44 or Deagle 44(also no attachment)
Gadget 1: none
Gadget 2: Ammo pack
grenade: m34 (molotov)
knife: Bayonet
The attack plane, with the anti tank cannon can absolutely wreck ANYTHING. Get kills left and right man. One shot transport trucks, boom.
LvL, you know why you feel the ground game and the aerial game are separated? Because you're just cheesing in the fighter (which gunners in the attack or bomber planes can't really do anything about). The tank hunter attack plane can get 1000+ points per tank kill, and it's entirely reasonable to kill even a landship in one pass.
Branch out to the attack plane and stop cheesing on the relatively defenseless attack and bomber planes.
I love flying, but rushing to D at the start of the game and getting in the aa gun is so satisfying.
The point of flying fighters it not to disrupt the ground battle, it's to stop enemy bombers and attackers from doing the same to your team. ;)
I think in this regard they did a very good job. Much better than in BF4 where there were fewer planes flying at any given time, fighters were completely useless against ground targets and even the attackers were frankly underwhelming.
personally i love the attack plane, not the fighter plane. that tank hunter cannon it has can literally one hit kill any plane and if you're even decently accurate with planes, which i seem to be, then it's incredibly powerful. I am so incredibly excited for this game. This game and rainbow six siege have been the highlights of my year so far tbh. rainbow is full of bugs even tho its been out for a year now but it's still fun as hell
The Tank Hunter Attack Plane is ridiculously powerful against ground targets and can one shot air targets if you can get close enough to be accurate.
I love the Fighter with the rocket pods ! So much fun flying . Dice Please Don't BUFF it's not OP ! On the other hand I've shot down plane's with my Lmg from the ground. Which also is awesome!
i have to agree with your comments about the bombers there great visually and you can get some kills here and there but there just to slow and get taken out to easily, the one thing i was thinking to buff them is make the tail gunner stronger against other airplanes or have a longer time till it hits the overheat mechanic because its way to weak at the moment, all in all enjoying the aerial combat in BF1 so far :) good video btw charlie :)
It is authentic for planes not to highly affect the ground. They mainly were better for recon witch was a lot more important when you have artillery
the front gunner seat in the bomber is really powerful it has lots of splash damage and destroys light armored vehicals
You want to effect the ground? Use the Tank Buster package for the Attack Plane
I've seen some amazing bombers. Pilots that fly inverted at high altitude letting their explosive round equiped nose gunner tear ground targets to shreds.
THERE SHOULD BE A TRENCH WARFARE GAMEMODE WHERE THERE IS A ATTACKING TEAM AND A DEFEND TEAM. THE GAMEMODE IS LIKE RUSH AND CONQUEST TOGETHER, THE ATTACKING TEAM WOULD START IN A TRENCH AND SO WOULD THE DEFENDERS AND THEN THE DEFENDERS WOULD HAVE TIME TO PREPARE LIKE RUSH THEN THE ATTACKERS WOULD CHARGE AND TRY TO GET AS MANY PEOPLE INTO THE DEFENDING TRENCH AND CAPTURE THE TRENCH TO ADVANCE IN A CERTAIN TIME LIMT.
COMMANDER MODE COULD ALSO BE ADDED BY GIVING SUPPLY DROPS AND ARTILLERY STRIKES
TELL ME WHAT YOU THINK AND LEAVE A LIKE OF IT SOUNDS GOOD
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Ive played a number of games where bombers have had a big disruptive impact at C and D for the ground forces. Destroying biildings with infi in and on them and blowing away cover. plus keeping tanks off of D.
When I was flying the bomber there was a plane behind me shooting me I flew straight up and slowed down, dropped my Bombs and they hit the plane as he flew by and I got a multi kill lol it was so funny and unexpected.
the front mg on the bomber is crazy good against infantry though, you can fly over C flag and kill 5-7 infantry as you go by as long as you don't let it overheat
Try the tank hunter on the attack plane with a gunner. It doesn't tell you but you have two bombs and after every shot with the main cannon press reload so you always have full ammo.
Aerial combat will be harder to interact with the ground combat in this game from a balance perspective. Infantry have very limited ways of dealing with aircraft, aside from the anti-air emplacements (which leave you completely vulnerable while utilizing), so if planes are too powerful--and your pilots aren't doing well--then it would pretty much leave enemy pilots unchallenged as they slaughter ground targets.
We'll see what else is available once the full game is released, but it's not like infantry have access to stingers or even a proper RPG.
if you use the tankhunter load out for the attack plane its main shell is amazing for taking out infy targets and aircraft if you lead your target well enough it can one hit any aircraft if you get a derect hit
This montage encouraged me to use the bomber killer more :3
Like to hitch a ride to capture a flag. But I'll contribute using the back seat gun. Best map is Mount Grappa. Have a at least 10 take downs as a back seat gunner.
i like playing from the front turret on the bomber super easy to get infantry kills when strafing runs, tears fighters apart as long as you can get behind them too