These super late era sailing ships (meaning everything else was iron/steel and steam) used for training and cargo, have a REALLY bad streak of luck...L'avenir, Koberhaven, Carrol A Deering....
The ill-fated Avenir would have become a training ship for Messrs. NDL, were it not for Master Mariner or Schiffer auf grosser Fahrt Otto Lehmberg (1888-1969). This old seadog was responsible with the ND Lloyd for training ships, and the 'heads' of the company sent him to inspect the ship they chose to buy. Mr. Lehmberg inspected the barque thoroughly and advised the Board of Company directors not to buy her. Instead the 'seadog' proposed to buy the 'Magdalene Vinnen' and was right. The Avenir disappeared without trace, and the 'Vinnen', renamed 'Kommodore Johnsen', survived an Atlantic hurricane in ca. 1937. ♍
@@uasupply Training of cadets or other candidates for merchant marine officers was dangerous on big multi-masted sailing ships; some of these were hopelessly undermanned and the innocent crews had to pay for greed of owners of these ships. There are at least two examples - the Maria Rickmers and the Koebenhavn. Both were 5-masters and both DISAPPEARED without trace on sea in 1892 and 1928 respectively. The Avenir was christened by HAPAG after the only Hamburger to hold the rank (professional title?) of ADMIRAL of the Free and Hanseatic City their Fleet. Hamburg had one, and the last Karpfanger ship, in which he perished in 1674, was the 'Wappen von Hamburg'. Hamburg itself is a fair city, but with rough history... ♍😊
GREAT VIDEO Easy on the adderol
Thank you!
These super late era sailing ships (meaning everything else was iron/steel and steam) used for training and cargo, have a REALLY bad streak of luck...L'avenir, Koberhaven, Carrol A Deering....
The ill-fated Avenir would have become a training ship for Messrs. NDL, were it not for Master Mariner or Schiffer auf grosser Fahrt Otto Lehmberg (1888-1969). This old seadog was responsible with the ND Lloyd for training ships, and the 'heads' of the company sent him to inspect the ship they chose to buy. Mr. Lehmberg inspected the barque thoroughly and advised the Board of Company directors not to buy her. Instead the 'seadog' proposed to buy the 'Magdalene Vinnen' and was right. The Avenir disappeared without trace, and the 'Vinnen', renamed 'Kommodore Johnsen', survived an Atlantic hurricane in ca. 1937. ♍
That's an interesting fact, thank you!
@@uasupply Training of cadets or other candidates for merchant marine officers was dangerous on big multi-masted sailing ships; some of these were hopelessly undermanned and the innocent crews had to pay for greed of owners of these ships. There are at least two examples - the Maria Rickmers and the Koebenhavn. Both were 5-masters and both DISAPPEARED without trace on sea in 1892 and 1928 respectively. The Avenir was christened by HAPAG after the only Hamburger to hold the rank (professional title?) of ADMIRAL of the Free and Hanseatic City their Fleet. Hamburg had one, and the last Karpfanger ship, in which he perished in 1674, was the 'Wappen von Hamburg'. Hamburg itself is a fair city, but with rough history... ♍😊
Neither the København nor the Maria Rickmers were undermanned.
@@hcstempel May have been equipped with devices like steam winches or something of the sort, making the work with the ropes easier (?)
@@hcstempelBut of course the MR was, with her sky-tall masts and a crew of only 39. K may have not been, as smaller, but MR HAD BEEN.
I have an idea for the next video, the maria rickmers Barque 1891
Good idea, noted👍