Yeah it's kinda silly... why have a valve causing all kinds of flow issues and complicating things when you could still pull air through an e-booster that isn't turning...
@@randominternetguy You would loose power if airflow was directed through the electric supercharger while it's not in use versus the airflow being directed past the electric supercharger using the bypass valve. At a certain RPM, the impeller would start to spin when it's not being used, but it would reduce the amount of air flowing. Since the impeller spins off an electric motor, there is resistance on the impeller. You couldn't take your fingers and spin the impeller freely like you could on a turbocharger. This setup is actually really neat. You can use one on a sequential twin turbocharger setup. Audi uses one at very low RPMs to reduce the time it takes for the first turbocharger to spool up and then it's bypassed to allow the two turbochargers to create boost.
This simpler (maybe not easy to make attainable) engineering ideas, are the best of all. I dare to predict that this is going to be Turbocharger of the Future. This guys must patent it.
I think just having an air tank, air compressor and an air line pointing at the compressor wheel to spool it at idle like Volvo's OEM system, is a better option. It's simple, and works very well and can work on larger turbos just like this system.
I invented this and it was produced by Turbodyne Technologies in the 90's. Turbodyne almost did a joint venture with Borg Warner back in '98, but instead did a deal with Allied Signal, who later bought Honeywell and continued on with the Honeywell name. The Borg Warner deal would have been great, Honeywell is full of crooks. When Borg Warner didn't get the technology back then, they experimented with hydraulic driven superchargers for a while, which were too problematic. Most of the patents are now expired on various electrically assisted blowers and turbos.
reminds me of the cosworth 2.3 i had in my merkur XR4ti 327hp .... this is what F1 ran waaayy back ....volvo in the 80/90s had one with an ac compressor clutch belt driven, mini twin screw soon as the turbo picked up it shut off....
I hope it can go on sale soon! I kinda want a new Ford Ranger and that is a mid I’d definitely do I wonder if they’ll make kits for that 48v system for diesels I mean it definitely would great for those with stock turbos can’t even image how sick it would be on a 5.0 Cummins, 1.6 ecotec, 3.2 power stroke, 1.5 eco blue, 2.0 eco blue or a 2.8 duramax
I have a 2017 Mustang Ecoboost with FBO+BigTurbo and sometimes methanol. I would absolutely LOVE this kit on my Mustang, I have major lag. Hopefully it comes to market but I wouldn't mind helping to test one 😁.
I’d really like to see this as superchargers always take some power away from the engine and also don’t have enough psi to really push big numbers all the time. Turbos always have had the ability to run super high psi numbers but on a project car, twin turboing is super expensive and can be difficult to set up, I’d like this to put on my truck ASAP...
In 1978 at Laguna Seca Racetrack, I watched David Hobbs drive the turbo MacClaren BMW 320i vs a big block Chevy racecar. The Chevy got going out of the corners faster, but being so heavy it had to get on the brakes earlier, brake fade on the Chevy. They both left the Porsche drivers in the dust. Hobbs won, but barely.
I don't get why anyone is still complaining about turbo lag. I've driven several turbo cars in recent years and they've already pretty much eliminated lag with newer twin scroll and variable vein turbo designs. I'm not saying e-boost won't make a small difference, but the question is, will the difference be worth the added cost? My feeling is that it definitely won't be, initially, but maybe it will down the road when/if the cost drops. In any case, I think modern turbos are doing a fine job on their own.
+Harold Turbo size doesn't make any difference with these new technologies because adjustable veins can make large turbos behave just like small ones, by forcing them to spin up faster. Lag really just isn't a problem anymore.
It's 48V for a reason. It will wind up paired with 48V mild hybrid systems using a belt-driven starter/alternator. These systems have seamless stop-start, torque fill, and mild regeneration.
And it regenerating during off throttle so it's kinetic energy that's wasted converted to stored potential energy and then released via the booster. It's genius. It's too bad it's taken 20 years to finally put into an OEM.
The Naked Argonian it takes a lot of power (parasitic loss) to run a supercharger. Turbos don’t have that problem but they suffer from lag. This is that “near” perfect mix.
48V systems make so much sense that they should be on every car to take over AC and other duties without going to dangerous high voltage. Too bad we have to deal with legacy 12V systems - sort of like Windows OS crippled because they have to be legacy compatible.
MichaelAChang / my first car had 6V system, now 12V. My truck has a 24V system. Why should going up to 48 volts be a problem? Maybe costs, because in 10 ~ 15 years all cars will be electric?!??
Okay here we go. Power: check. Fuel economy: half check- as long as you're not in boost, sure it'll be better than a stock v8 BUT only in small scenarios. It took me a while to realize that a small engine working harder to do work will always use more fuel than a big engine doing the same amount of work. So it depends on how you look at it! You want power, give her fuel. Oh and the last thing.... Reliability: huge question mark??
Its cool but that thing needs to cost pretty low to get buyer to jump on. If its too expansive people would just buy v8. But i bet that will cost a lot.
Es nitro eso ayuda al turbo a girar mas rapido eso funciona en turbos grandes hasi obtienes poder sin desperdiciar rpm y fuerza por el nitro hasi matas 2 pajaros de un solo tiro
As long as the turbocharger is of the correct size,lag is hardly an issue with today's turbocharging technology and what little lag exists merely gives the engine it's character through such an insignificant quirk. Hate turbo lag? Then stick with normally aspirated or supercharged engines and that normally solves the problem. So many people are picky about the most insignificant and trivial of things.
You get that by putting a V8 under the hood. Piping engine noises for an engine you DON'T have is worse than Type R badging on cars that have never had a Type R.
Your dad? That's cute. Still playing with toys I see...go drive a modern turbo 4 banger when you finally get your license though. You may be pleasantly surprised.
BWX What? Kers has a motor relatively directly connected to the wheels. Absolutely nothing to do with turbos. Maybe you're thinking of the new ERS system with the mgu-h, which still doesn't have much in common with this system.
huh' why, not just buy a car with an NA engine and not deal with all this crap that could go wrong in the engine bay. and no generally turbo engines are not.more gaa efficient than NA
5kw of power needed. That’s 5000 watts. You will need more electrical parts. Not good for the every day driver but good for wannabe “enthusiasts” and ricers. In terms of OEM, who knows...more air will always need more fuel, therefore a tune is needed before you run lean and your mpg’s will get worse. I get it but I don’t.
Brad Conklin actually, there’s no direct draw from the motor, especially during acceleration. It usually regenerative braking to charge the battery and may use a little off the alternator.
I really don't think you understand how a system like this works. Most of them use a capacitor type battery that only works for say a 60 seconds at most, but that's all it's needed for and the mart controller tends to only charge the capacitor back up under very light loads preferably coasting.
My name is Horace PoWah ... Most who kno of me call me ..Max PoWah ( ! ) . . . My Dad was a Genius in his day and was the first to experiment with automotive turbos and discovered the turbo "lag" in relation to the size difference of turbos. He also discovered how to "Eliminate Lag" thru the use of alternative intake gases in addition to gasoline. (ie: Nitrous Oxide) . . .by the way ...my Moms name was Alonnah PoWah . ; )) sucka Lol
basically a sequential twin turbo but with an electric pre-boost.
Yeah it's kinda silly... why have a valve causing all kinds of flow issues and complicating things when you could still pull air through an e-booster that isn't turning...
@@randominternetguy You would loose power if airflow was directed through the electric supercharger while it's not in use versus the airflow being directed past the electric supercharger using the bypass valve. At a certain RPM, the impeller would start to spin when it's not being used, but it would reduce the amount of air flowing. Since the impeller spins off an electric motor, there is resistance on the impeller. You couldn't take your fingers and spin the impeller freely like you could on a turbocharger. This setup is actually really neat. You can use one on a sequential twin turbocharger setup. Audi uses one at very low RPMs to reduce the time it takes for the first turbocharger to spool up and then it's bypassed to allow the two turbochargers to create boost.
I hope Subaru is watching.
Lol
I'm blown away! Very cool technology!
This simpler (maybe not easy to make attainable) engineering ideas, are the best of all. I dare to predict that this is going to be Turbocharger of the Future. This guys must patent it.
I think just having an air tank, air compressor and an air line pointing at the compressor wheel to spool it at idle like Volvo's OEM system, is a better option. It's simple, and works very well and can work on larger turbos just like this system.
I think something electric nowadays is even simpler
This is so cool! I just wish this was a more in depth 30 minute feature..... with Lauren Morrison!
This would be on my 6.0L Powerstroke in a minute if they had it ready.
reminds me of the Thomas knight electric supercharger set up back in the 90s
It reminds me of the guy that bolted a leaf blower onto his intake
I invented this and it was produced by Turbodyne Technologies in the 90's. Turbodyne almost did a joint venture with Borg Warner back in '98, but instead did a deal with Allied Signal, who later bought Honeywell and continued on with the Honeywell name. The Borg Warner deal would have been great, Honeywell is full of crooks. When Borg Warner didn't get the technology back then, they experimented with hydraulic driven superchargers for a while, which were too problematic. Most of the patents are now expired on various electrically assisted blowers and turbos.
@davidstjames_ glad it's around today at least
Every vehicle needs the EBooster.
reminds me of the cosworth 2.3 i had in my merkur XR4ti 327hp .... this is what F1 ran waaayy back ....volvo in the 80/90s had one with an ac compressor clutch belt driven, mini twin screw soon as the turbo picked up it shut off....
I hope it can go on sale soon! I kinda want a new Ford Ranger and that is a mid I’d definitely do I wonder if they’ll make kits for that 48v system for diesels I mean it definitely would great for those with stock turbos can’t even image how sick it would be on a 5.0 Cummins, 1.6 ecotec, 3.2 power stroke, 1.5 eco blue, 2.0 eco blue or a 2.8 duramax
I have a 2017 Mustang Ecoboost with FBO+BigTurbo and sometimes methanol. I would absolutely LOVE this kit on my Mustang, I have major lag. Hopefully it comes to market but I wouldn't mind helping to test one 😁.
Just release this technology to the masses already
Cool idea
Volvo already has OEM supercharge/turbo four-cylinder engines
Lit i need this for my subaru or vw
Wonder if this will be in the next WRX/STI?
I’d really like to see this as superchargers always take some power away from the engine and also don’t have enough psi to really push big numbers all the time. Turbos always have had the ability to run super high psi numbers but on a project car, twin turboing is super expensive and can be difficult to set up, I’d like this to put on my truck ASAP...
In 1978 at Laguna Seca Racetrack, I watched David Hobbs drive the turbo MacClaren BMW 320i vs a big block Chevy racecar. The Chevy got going out of the corners faster, but being so heavy it had to get on the brakes earlier, brake fade on the Chevy. They both left the Porsche drivers in the dust. Hobbs won, but barely.
Are these power numbers to the wheels?
I don't get why anyone is still complaining about turbo lag. I've driven several turbo cars in recent years and they've already pretty much eliminated lag with newer twin scroll and variable vein turbo designs. I'm not saying e-boost won't make a small difference, but the question is, will the difference be worth the added cost? My feeling is that it definitely won't be, initially, but maybe it will down the road when/if the cost drops. In any case, I think modern turbos are doing a fine job on their own.
D LG Not with the big turbos.
+Harold Turbo size doesn't make any difference with these new technologies because adjustable veins can make large turbos behave just like small ones, by forcing them to spin up faster. Lag really just isn't a problem anymore.
With aftermarket big turbos you get the lag and power together. No variable veins yet in the aftermarket.
its different when you have a turbo bigger than shaquille o neal head
Cool , What if something similar was placed in the exhaust side helping expel the gases at higher rates 🤔
The video's title is "Over the Edge: Double the Fun," not "Turbo Lag".
Any experts know if you’ll need to tune after this mod? Or will the ecu just adjust to the small quicker boost change?
Any forced induction setup needs a custom tune
Need a video of this vs a supercharger in the same car from a 40 roll
Only operate under warranty.
If it's electric, there is some parasitic loss through the alternator, prob not much though
It's 48V for a reason. It will wind up paired with 48V mild hybrid systems using a belt-driven starter/alternator. These systems have seamless stop-start, torque fill, and mild regeneration.
thanks for that explanation; hybrid app makes sense.
It pulls from a 48v battery, stated in the video.
And it regenerating during off throttle so it's kinetic energy that's wasted converted to stored potential energy and then released via the booster. It's genius. It's too bad it's taken 20 years to finally put into an OEM.
I can't wait in 10 years cars are going to be way more efficient and way...... way more powerful.
Um can I put this on a Prius...or all of them...
Why not supercharge it? Energy efficiency? I mean, doesn't the added boost from a supercharger increase that anyway?
The Naked Argonian it takes a lot of power (parasitic loss) to run a supercharger. Turbos don’t have that problem but they suffer from lag. This is that “near” perfect mix.
Interesting cause Mercedes says they are going with Garrett and to release this year.
the turbo is located after the intercooler, right.... 3:32
Nope it's not correct
goodbye turbo lag
48V systems make so much sense that they should be on every car to take over AC and other duties without going to dangerous high voltage.
Too bad we have to deal with legacy 12V systems - sort of like Windows OS crippled because they have to be legacy compatible.
MichaelAChang / my first car had 6V system, now 12V. My truck has a 24V system. Why should going up to 48 volts be a problem? Maybe costs, because in 10 ~ 15 years all cars will be electric?!??
Anyone else reading the comments to see what the experts have to say?
Okay here we go. Power: check. Fuel economy: half check- as long as you're not in boost, sure it'll be better than a stock v8 BUT only in small scenarios. It took me a while to realize that a small engine working harder to do work will always use more fuel than a big engine doing the same amount of work. So it depends on how you look at it! You want power, give her fuel. Oh and the last thing.... Reliability: huge question mark??
Moarrrr powwwwa!
Show the difference in acceleration in the car! Same camera and angle, etc. Fail.
EXACTLY...Im betting there was no observable difference
Still uses engine power. Alternator and battery
Wow! Impressive! Could this be the possible end of the v8?
I thought the best power and economy was a tesla?
Ford’s opportunity to launch a SVO
lol trickle down f1 tech
i know, how about, borrowed from Volvo?
Now imagine this system on the v8
keith8880 no traction
no turbo there....
Just more money to waste, turbo lag can be solved with a tune cheaper than this
Those can damage the turbo
I can tell you my saab 9-5 has turbo lag it’s fun though
Its cool but that thing needs to cost pretty low to get buyer to jump on. If its too expansive people would just buy v8. But i bet that will cost a lot.
Electricity and a 6-speed manual.
Es nitro eso ayuda al turbo a girar mas rapido eso funciona en turbos grandes hasi obtienes poder sin desperdiciar rpm y fuerza por el nitro hasi matas 2 pajaros de un solo tiro
As long as the turbocharger is of the correct size,lag is hardly an issue with today's turbocharging technology and what little lag exists merely gives the engine it's character through such an insignificant quirk. Hate turbo lag? Then stick with normally aspirated or supercharged engines and that normally solves the problem. So many people are picky about the most insignificant and trivial of things.
Now if they could just gives us the V8 sound inside and out it would be a winner.
You get that by putting a V8 under the hood.
Piping engine noises for an engine you DON'T have is worse than Type R badging on cars that have never had a Type R.
The Car Crazy Guy isn’t the v8 in the mustang pretty efficient?i think it gets over 25mpg
@@subielife4life lol that's not efficient and yeah they get 24- 25 mpg but not really over
...needs a "Stupid" charger!...
Hopefully they can downsize it. Takes a lot of space for 7psi.
I build this little Monsters every Day 😉
It's not turbo lag. It's foreplay.
They show an in car pull WITHOUT the ebooster...but never show a pull WITH it....that says it all. Fail.
electic is the new power
julio lopez Most likely
@@JulioLopez-xz5kx And I hope that EVs coexist with gas cars and not replace them
B.S! Adding boost (of any kind) increases the amount of fuel used. Keep your foot in it, and you'll be getting V8 fuel mileage.
not if used on smaller displacement and fewer cylinders
With a weed wacker sound...
Joe Blow troll
infA111ous how? It sounds just like what my dad was using the other day...
Your dad? That's cute. Still playing with toys I see...go drive a modern turbo 4 banger when you finally get your license though. You may be pleasantly surprised.
D Lombana V8 life
infA111ous naw
Cool, but once we go all electric any lag in power will be a thing of the past.
chip leach never gonna happen in your lifetime. Maybe longer.
Mike W you’re mistaken.
@@mikew9096 Feel stupid now?
Very disappointing to see this monstrosity enter the market again😔
Why not just replace the turbo altogether with a larger e-booster as well? That would kill some of the heat issues that turbos have.
So KERS then..
BWX What? Kers has a motor relatively directly connected to the wheels. Absolutely nothing to do with turbos. Maybe you're thinking of the new ERS system with the mgu-h, which still doesn't have much in common with this system.
Screw that, just use nitrous.
huh' why, not just buy a car with an NA engine and not deal with all this crap that could go wrong in the engine bay. and no generally turbo engines are not.more gaa efficient than NA
Let’s see it after driving it for 5 years and it’s worn out
word.....
5kw of power needed. That’s 5000 watts. You will need more electrical parts. Not good for the every day driver but good for wannabe “enthusiasts” and ricers. In terms of OEM, who knows...more air will always need more fuel, therefore a tune is needed before you run lean and your mpg’s will get worse. I get it but I don’t.
godzillasballs well when you want to make more power that means you need more air lol
All you would need is a big3 upgrade. People run alot more than 5k watts in their car in the subwoofer community
That's a lot of electrical draw to operate.
exactly .. so its not a 100% free of its parasitic origins
Brad Conklin actually, there’s no direct draw from the motor, especially during acceleration. It usually regenerative braking to charge the battery and may use a little off the alternator.
I really don't think you understand how a system like this works. Most of them use a capacitor type battery that only works for say a 60 seconds at most, but that's all it's needed for and the mart controller tends to only charge the capacitor back up under very light loads preferably coasting.
Also reported your comment cause knowing youtube they'll take it down you're just an hateful also for no reason.
My name is Horace PoWah ... Most who kno of me call me ..Max PoWah ( ! ) . . . My Dad was a Genius in his day and was the first to experiment with automotive turbos and discovered the turbo "lag" in relation to the size difference of turbos. He also discovered how to "Eliminate Lag" thru the use of alternative intake gases in addition to gasoline. (ie: Nitrous Oxide) . . .by the way ...my Moms name was Alonnah PoWah . ; )) sucka Lol
It's a good thing this boost is not using engine because I hear that these Ford Ecotec 4-cylinder engines are garbage anyway
They really arent. In all actuality they are just as interesting as any other turbo 4 and make some good noises with the right mods.
Ecotec engines are made by Chevrolet
Ford makes ecoboost engines
Yeah I know, the Focus RS...what a piece of shit. :rolleyes:
twistershift The RS engine is not the same one in the Mustang.
Farah said it was a case of the wrong head gaskets on the RS engines not an inherent design flaw