No it’s not I play the quads and do hard core fishing so what ever kind of fishing you do you can’t compare to marimbas because you just stand in one spot and play but fishing and marching is way more active but you do you man
I'd say the drumline probably had it the hardest when I was in band. They always were at practice an hour before everybody else, and they had to carry around heavy instruments for a whole three hour practice which was four hours in their case. The activity has definitely changed in the over 20 years since I was in it, but I don't deny that we practiced just as hard or harder than any of the sports teams, and a few years later when the band got good they practiced even harder than we did.
you had only 3 hours of practice and only came in 1 hour before, we come in 2 hours before anyone other than guard and its around a 5 hour rehearsal before show days
"Why do band people get nervous, you're not going to get physically hurt if you screw up." Allow me to introduce you to military style marching band...
In my opinion, marching band is a sport. People in my hs always say “marching band ain’t a sport” well to them I say “Yeah well if marching band isn’t a sport, then dance isn’t a sport.” We have a popular dance team.
Joel "Lothar" Magnuson....a sad day for the activity. Kinda glad SoCal Dream didn't go to DCA that year....that was something I would NOT have wanted to see.
@@yvonnev8650 Lothar had either a heart attack or stroke. Some people from the stands ran onto the field, he was worked on by a doctor until the paramedics showed up. He was pronounced dead when he got to the hospital.
Band has definitely changed since I marched in high school. I remember carrying my snare around for hours, sore muscles, achy feet, cramped forearms, two a days, sweating through my uniform, parades that went on for days... learning cadences, show music, competition music, solos, and choreography for all of it every year... I can just imagine how much more difficult it's gotten with time and expectations of the crowds, judges, etc... Marching band definitely is a sport.
Marching pit, you need a LOT of strength to move your instruments, especially up and down slopes across long distances and loading the trailer. Pushing a massive instrument across field (especially for my school) requires a lot more strength and power than sports like golding. A good mallet stroke is pretty difficult to attain without exerting strength, in this case, pit practice lasts for hours on end, frequently under the blazing sun (to rehearse with the band). The hand-eye coordination for playing an instrument is INSANE. You have to control you body but also have to control your wrist or fingers very carefully. Marching band definitely deserve a high ranking
@@forestarden4406 bro that’s what sports are like. My football has 4 hour practices in 95-105 degrees with few water breaks, and marching band is like that too
@@fathomrl I'm in colorguard, my band director let's us do secontionals inside if it's too hot, and they try to give us a lot of water breaks as well. They really need to take better care of you guys you if they're gonna have you practicing in that kind of heat them they need to give you frequent water breaks. Idk maybe I just got lucky and the norm is what you said, but even so that shouldn't be the case
Marching band is the hardest sport. It requires just as much commitment too. I once missed a football game cause I was sick, and then woke up the next day (still extremely sick and dying) and made it through a whole rehearsal, bus ride, competition, and bus ride home, all while being extremely ill. That's what band is all about :)
I'd argue the hand-eye coordination is related to the insane amounts of precision with regard to keeping time. Don't underestimate clean rolls across a snare line. I'd argue that's at least as much hand-eye than timing a green light on a race start. Not to mention that timing all has to happen independently to the drill. I think that's the one column where marching band could gain a lot of movement up the list.
Thank you for this! I've long argued this with people over the years who think marching band looks easy, not understanding the skill required to keep tempo, maintain your spot in the formation, run around the field for 10 minutes while blowing air into your instrument with dynamics and pitch! It's a hella workout, but so satisfying... That said, please God don't ever let an athletic director be in charge of marching band!
I hated marching band, Freshmen year of HS. The director asked one day, if anyone wanted to play the bells (glockenspiel). These were not made for marching, but sideline. So... I volunteered. Didn't have to worry about the formations and movements and I got to take nice, long 30min naps on the sidelines while the rest of the band did formations during band class. Was glorious! I still had to learn to march in sync though, for X-Mas parades and things, but that was fine. Point is, it's a sport. You move a lot, on the field. Sometimes very quickly... Eventually, I got better at moving in formations, but I still stuck with the bells during football season.
Well considering endurance, the drumline points should have been increased, because the drumline has to carry much heavier instruments than most of the winds or color guard. I think drumline should be a bit harder than color guard just considering the weight of the drum.
Marching euphonium is pretty darn heavy, basically just a ginormous trumpet that you still have to hold in front of your face with no counterbalances or braces. I really think we should’ve scored brass and woodwinds separately because marching euph vs flutes, it’s a big difference.
@@lottapitchy9625 flutes are probably the second hardest woodwind based on holding it, cause it has to be completely Parallel, clarinets have it the easiest, it is just how they normally hold it and saxes have it the hardest just cause of the weight
@@liamsmith8518 I agree with that, clarinets would probably be easiest to hold during marching, rather than flutes. They have really good shoulder muscles. I just probably couldn’t do it; I’m definitely not made for woodwinds. Too many buttons and they all do weird things, and some press down others at the same time? Noooo thank you. I’ll stick with my euph!
@@liamsmith8518 but our saxes have neck straps so I don’t think it’s too hard on them, so I’m not gonna feel too bad for my sax friends. We only march alto saxes so I can’t say anything about marching tenor or bari, but I’m pretty sure even with all of that extra weight, it’s still a lot easier with the neck straps and harnesses.
So I’m a percussionist and I believe that winds should have gotten higher than percussion because they have to work their arms for horn angles and also they don’t get to breathe as much as percussionists do.
Yeah definitely holding your breath while moving requires more endurance than holding a drum. Since he's a drummer he probably didn't think of that part.
Winds need more on strength... especially low brass. I want you to hold a marching baritone at attention at 10 degrees above parallel for 12 minutes and then repeat for a 3 hour rehearsal just for a challenge. Also you didn't factor in the breathing control wind players have to use while also doing typically more complex and faster moves then the drum line. Aka we are out of breath and still have to hold notes forever usually at close to the top of our dynamic range.
I think strength favors the battery while endurance would winds, because you have to meter your breathing during a show to still play. All the marching members have it hard, it's a tough-ass activity.
Playing marching baritone, marching backwards from the near the front of the 50 to the near the back of the 10 yard line while playing in 3 measures during 1 part of our 11th grade year show back in 1990.
"Why do band people get nervous, you're not going to get physically hurt if you screw up" didn't you march Crown with the dude broke his leg during finals
You try lugging around a set of toms or bass drum while playing and doing a synced dance with a 100 other people and then ask yourself if it isn't a sport!
@@BBLstiiizy : I hear ya. I was just trying to make a point. Yeah, it isn't a sport, but it certainly requires strength, stamina, and coordination........ more than some sports do! :) Cool that your on the drumline......... rock on.
Just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it’s a sport though. If we are following that logic, I could say “try pissing into the wind while juggling a job as a janitor and nurse, and then tell me that clean-health-pissing isn’t a sport.”
When I was in high school, we needed a half credit of any Phys Ed class for graduation. But they also counted doing Marching Band as an equivalent for that half credit, so I got out of that one =D And I would lose 15-20 pounds basically every marching season.
Marching band is a sport, we get a sports credit for doing it at our school. For comedy club we made a video of football players and marching band kids switching places. Some quotes from the football players when they did band: “y’all do this every game” “how do you guys do this the whole game”. Also, I March Sousa but I also do color guard, marching Sousa is harder.
Hah okay as a front ensemble person I mostly agree. My two thoughts though are that I think the amount of muscle training to build chops and play with good quality of sound is a little (not a lot) underestimated. Sure you're not training the large muscles, but you need well trained smaller muscles. The other is I think the Hand-Eye Coordination could use some more credit across the board. Hitting correct playing zones at 212 bpm, maintaining intervals, learning drill, etc. I think would all fall under this category. In fact, I think one could argue all mallet playing is is hand-eye coordination.
I marched drumline at a Texas 5A (now 6A cuz I’m old), I marched with an Open Class WGI line, a World Class WGI line, and then 2 years of DCI Div I (1st and 3rd place). I also played Lacrosse and I’m currently a mid level USATT ranked table tennis player. My rankings are: 1) lacrosse. I was a Middie/Attack so not only are you running the length of the field the whole time, you’re also trying to keep body and soul together while 6’+ dudes with 6’ poles whack and beat the crap outta you. Needless to say, broken bones and concussions came with the territory. 2) Marching band/WGI/DCI. This one edges out table tennis for me cuz even though it’s a 12 min performance, I played bass drum and also marched a corps known for its challenging drill. 3) in a close 3rd, we have table tennis. This will be the hardest collection of 1-3 meter sprints strung together anywhere. While this is going on, you’re hitting a 40mm ball going at incredible speed with lbs of heavy spin with a small racquet with a near 0 margin of error. All while trying to out smart your opponent. The workouts for table tennis are high intensity and tournaments can last typically up to 10 hrs.
The list is also missing Dancesport / Ballroom Dancing, which I did for many years and which is about as hard as figure skating. BTW: I was one of the 10% who answered "Not in a band" on your poll and I am just here because I discovered you when you set TwoSetViolin straight about percussion and I find you so interesting and enjoyable to watch that I just stayed.
From a purely physical standpoint, yes it is a sport. The only reason why marching band/DCI isn't a sport is because when bands compete you can't objectively say which band "won" the competition. It is entirely subjective where as in other sports such as soccer or basketball, you can objectively say which team won. Other than that, I totally agree that marching band/DCI should be respected for the physical requirements it takes to perform at the highest level possible.
@Ikarys yeah but that doesn’t make it objective at all. high school bands obviously aren’t gonna be as good as dci but they’re still going to get a good score. that’s literally what being subjective is. each judge gives a different score it’s not objective at all.
I think he scored these on the low side. My indiana high school marching band was definitely more intense then golf in every way physically and mentally
I do horseback riding and marching band and they are both most definitely sports. Riding and marching band both require strength, endurance, and flexibility.
For anyone who says playing trombone is not a sport. Well first, you have to tune your trombone into the right notes to make it perfect, and that takes time, also making your slides smooth and smooth for a while is *HARD* , trust me it takes a gallon of slide cream to make it smooth, playing trombone requires skill and physical movements, you have to position your slides into a perfect position to make the perfect sound, and moving from 1st to 6th position in under half of a second can literally be it's own sport.
Also personally I‘m more exhausted after a whole weekend standing on one place, than after marching baritone. Your body of course is down at the end of the day... but it is not that crazy, than the pain in just your back...
I did front ensemble and drumline and I'd dare to say being in drumline was actually more difficult music-wise, especially when taking phasing and listening in into account. Just my experience though, I'm sure other folk's differ.
I did front ensemble my freshman year, and hated it because it felt too easy. As a result, I moved to drumline for the rest of my HS life. Never regretted it once. But that’s high school, and it’s probably different in drum corps
I would say strength/endurance wise drummers have higher than football players. I still remember that in HS, a football player jokingly threw on the smallest bass drum and started running. I caught up and passed him with the largest (out of 4)drum on. Then he tripped because he couldn't see where he was going. Field awareness is also the hardest on the drum line, especially the bass line has to react to the ability not to be able to see where we are walking. During calvacades how many other instruments could drop their instruments, then mid beat grab another stick, and continue playing and acting like nothing happened. I also remember in my senior year, at my final calvacade, one of our sax players pants fell down around his ankles marching to the final location of field. Right in front of the drum line. I give him kudos for not reacting and appropriately marching off field with his pants around his ankles and the drum line (which I was part of) keeping our serious face on while on the inside dying from laughter at this occurring. Yeah, you judged us all (except for front ensemble) way to low. Also band front should be harder than cheerleaders. They are just as physical and flexible, with a hell of a lot more memorized moves than cheerleaders. 😂😂😂
Me with my clarinet doing flutter steps: if dance and cheer are sports, so can band be a sport, also some people in sports do less than marching band hehe
I favorite sport is a tied position, Bass Fishing and Marching band lol. Fishing is more strategic than difficult. You really have to determine where the fish are going to be working against temperatures of the water, structure. etc. Thanks EMCproductions, you're very awesome to watch!
Here in Missouri MSHSAA, the organization that manages and sanctions sports, considers Marching band as a sport. We have to follow the same rules and guidelines as all other sports.
Based purely on physical demand, I'd say DCI is higher than most of the sports on there. I remember the old CBS report where they attached a oxygen rebreather to a Blue Devils quad player and found during a run their BPM and oxygen output was higher than pro football players. Although most shows are only around 12 minutes, many forget the training, ie band camp, is 10-12 hours a day of mental and physical activity for months, which is as much or much more than certain professional sports do.
I eventually gave in to the side of activities like marching band, show choir, and even gymnastics not being sports because it’s just too dependent on subjective factors. The most subjective thing about sports is usually the referee and even then, there’s usually multiple referees and instant replays in the professional leagues to make sure that there’s no mistake to whether or not, say a ball was in or out or anything else that could be considered subjective. There’s objective rules and regulations to sports such as football, baseball, tennis. As far as marching band, gymnastics, or really any other athletic activity that is based on judges is concerned, they aren’t sports to me because it can all come down to one judge liking the performance more than the others or not thinking the technique is up to par. Your performance also has little to no effect other than maybe intimidation based on your ability or lack thereof and the second guessing of your opponent’s abilities by themselves. I feel like in a sport, there needs to be an action that one player or team does that directly changes the performance of their opponent and judge-based athletic activities don’t do that.
Total woodass* here - played saxophone in marching band and baritone in corps. I'm not sure if brass is harder or if corps is harder, or both, but I definitely exerted more effort to do that. I'm not gonna argue too much, but don't tell me the clarinets have to work as hard as the tubas. *(it took me like four tries to pause the video in the right place)
Marching band is a sport but according to my school: "If it doesn't make the school money and isn't a 1 on 1 tourney, it not a sport." ---My principal.
Marching band is about 38% of my schools annual income according to the spreadsheet released at the beginning of the year for last year's income. And I'm just going to go on a limb and say that's a lot since they're building a new $1,000,000 football field soon.
You won’t believe how many times my math class got into this argument last year. The teacher had to write on the whiteboard “4th period is not allowed to talk about marching band or sports”
No surprised that CG is the most difficult. When I marched Drum Corps, any time the guard would have to do anything the "corps proper" would have to do, like marching or jazz runs, the guard members would perform it flawlessly immediately where most of the rest of us would take weeks to get it. They were by far the most athetic. I don't even want to talk about when horn players or drumline members needed to dance. One year I am pretty sure that a part of our show with horn players dancing was removed because a bunch of us had no hope of being able to perform it.
I know I sound biased, however just because something is harder, doesnt make it a sport. I think you have a point and I do like how you made good points on why it should be a sport
Good morning! I don't think marching band. I put it in the category of judged athletic competition. Since judging is subjective in band, it shouldn't be compared to sports that award points based on certain actions. E.g. putting a ball through a hoop, putting a disk in a net, or hitting the center of a target. As for "you can't die in band," my instructor in high school had told me that a member of the DCA corps the Kilties had passed away during a performance. I also had a friend in colorguard split her head open on a windy day during rifle practice.
That being said, I think the same case should be made for any other sport of the kind, like gymnastics and ice skating. Like seriously, if ice skating is a sport then why the heck isn't marching band?
@@PoorSmellyYeti Yeah but have you considered the weight of the instruments, the air capacity, or wrist endurance? or literally just any of the factors outside of the marching?
@themilkdealer1 hey man, I forgot I even posted this. But in a different video I posted something similar, according to the word "sport" band is one. I have no ground to disagree on. It's simply difficult for people to say ufc and band are both sports. Does that make sense?
As someone who was a section leader and played Tenor Saxophone from 9th to 11th grade and in my senior year switched to Bassline... my high schools drum line was 10x more disciplined than the rest of the band including color guard. COULD NOT be late EVER, we had the LEAST breaks, we were the only ones who showed up EARLY to do PT like stretch, jog, push ups etc... on the field while rehearsing with the rest of the band, we stood for SO LONG as the rest were getting things ready, fixing music in real time, adjusting dots etc... since we knew our music beginning to end from memory, and we were pretty good at knowing our dots, we found ourselves waiting on the rest of the band more often than not. It was easily way more challenging than being a horn player. Especially me who was a lead, playing difficult music, LOUD as all hell haha. I’ll do admit one thing, being a tenor sax player gave me great lungs lol
me, who is in percussion: hey, we pulse. that's....something. And, at comps I have to push a huge metal cart holding a synth across the turf, and I'm a seventh grader who has to try to keep up with all of the high schoolers.
i think you underscored the analytical. it said like joe montana reading a defense. what about listening analysis, staying in formation. All musicians have difficult listening situation across the field, front to back. Tempo changes. DCI drill is very difficult to march a spot and make adjustments to fluid formations. I think that should have been higher than a 2
Hi, former golfer and percussionist in marching band here...why in gods name is golf so low!? It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Played all 4 years in high school and I hated (but also loved) every second of it. Most frustrating thing ever. The only reason I don’t say marching band is the hardest I’ve ever done is cause I went to a small school with almost no funding for band and all the stuff we performed was so so so so simple.
Last school year, me, a few friends of mine, and our band directors, put together a case to bring to our school board. We wanted marching band to either be considered a sport and get the benefits of it. Or be considered a gym credit due to band taking up two separate blocks. We had a really strong case and knew we would get something. The meeting was scheduled for April 15 All in person school board meetings were canceled April 2nd "until the situation permits"
Analytic = listening in to rest of section and adjusting on the fly. You underscored most of the values for each section by not adjusting to what sports it's similar to.
as a former bowler, front ensemble is harder than bowling lmao all it takes to bowl is a good arm, knowledge of how slicked the lane is and the pattern of it, depth perception, patience, and a smidge of technique
7 am PST? I mean, I was awake, heard the 🎶bling🎶 but didn't check my notification for 3 minutes, since I wasn't expecting EMCproductions so early in the morning.... 🌄😉🤣
It may only be a 10 minute or so performance sure but most people don’t realize those long year round practices that get you there. Carrying around 35 pound tenors all day in the summer heat definitely takes some endurance. Don’t even get me started on band camp if you were part of a super competitive program. If you are doing winter guard/indoor percussion competitions you don’t get an off season like most high school sports.
im really only here to feel better ab myself lol. my directors have been having our marching band outside practicing, in the middle of summer in 90+ degree weather for 8 hours a day, going over the same reps to make them perfect. i came home and checked my facebook. my highschools facebook account posted pictures of the cheerleaders and said something how about how they were working so hard. they were inside, in the gym, in the air conditioning, for e hours a day for 3 days. where as our band, we have been outside 8 hours a day for past 2 weeks so that those cheerleaders can have music to freakin cheer to.
What's your favorite sport?
Mine is Marching Band.
Mine is too!
Marching band
Mine is water polo.
please make a gong hat, a gongespiel, or a trianglespiel (glockenspiel made of gongs or triangles)
Marching band. Dude side drums are heavy for me and I can’t even imagine quads
As someone who fishes and plays marimba, I can confirm playing marimba is harder than fishing
same bro
This comment makes so much more sense after watching the video
No it’s not I play the quads and do hard core fishing so what ever kind of fishing you do you can’t compare to marimbas because you just stand in one spot and play but fishing and marching is way more active but you do you man
@@tenordrumproductions4782 yeah that's straight bullshit the only hard fishing is deep sea fishing and I doubt you be doin that so yeah
@@lentwolf8256 I actually do deep sea fish by the way I do all types of fishing and you can’t convince me otherwise so
I'd say the drumline probably had it the hardest when I was in band. They always were at practice an hour before everybody else, and they had to carry around heavy instruments for a whole three hour practice which was four hours in their case. The activity has definitely changed in the over 20 years since I was in it, but I don't deny that we practiced just as hard or harder than any of the sports teams, and a few years later when the band got good they practiced even harder than we did.
wow I’m not the only one
I agree but just imagine carrying a sousaphone on your shoulders for hours not only having to do running visual
@@koreywilliams5534 Yeah the Euph is literally a heavier trumpet as well
@@chris73.5 exactly
you had only 3 hours of practice and only came in 1 hour before, we come in 2 hours before anyone other than guard and its around a 5 hour rehearsal before show days
And he’s saying this as a marine. Bravo.
My friend teased me by saying marching band was gay. And I said “you guys are the ones who slap each others butts after a good football game”.
Half of my band is lgbtq+,
But yeah I agree with you
@@anonnymoose2372 nice. I’m bi, so I think that’s cool
I might use this😂
@@benportzer go ahead
I mean if you wanna see gay, do drum corps
"Why do band people get nervous, you're not going to get physically hurt if you screw up."
Allow me to introduce you to military style marching band...
Lol🤣😂🤣😂
Or my friend who tore the ligaments in his ankle during nationals and still finished the show
Ever get hit by colorguard flag or sousaphone that missed his dot while marching backwards?
whoever has said that has never been hit by a trombone or colorguard flag or fallen down while wearing a drum.
Or when you’re one step off and a tuba runs you over or get slapped with a rifle or flag
Is it a sport or an art? BOTH! IT’S THE SPORT OF THE ARTS!!
I like this definition
The sport of the arts. That... makes a lot of sense. Thanks WGI.
Sport?
Art?
Spart!
@@Nareimooncatt it’s also a fun art
A fart
@@jwaj 🤣
In my opinion, marching band is a sport. People in my hs always say “marching band ain’t a sport” well to them I say “Yeah well if marching band isn’t a sport, then dance isn’t a sport.” We have a popular dance team.
Performing arts*
We would always just say, “we have more state championships than any of our “sports” teams so yeah.”
@@RyanBischoffPercussion Lol wish that were true for us
I’m over here like “if you were in marching band, you’d understand that it’s a sport”
In 2005 DCA, the Kilties had a member die on the field after the opener.
Joel "Lothar" Magnuson....a sad day for the activity. Kinda glad SoCal Dream didn't go to DCA that year....that was something I would NOT have wanted to see.
😢
Can someone please explain what happened? I want to know more about this.
@@yvonnev8650 Lothar had either a heart attack or stroke. Some people from the stands ran onto the field, he was worked on by a doctor until the paramedics showed up. He was pronounced dead when he got to the hospital.
When I mess up my marimba piece for the 50th time:
"Well... It's time to go fishing."
Band has definitely changed since I marched in high school. I remember carrying my snare around for hours, sore muscles, achy feet, cramped forearms, two a days, sweating through my uniform, parades that went on for days... learning cadences, show music, competition music, solos, and choreography for all of it every year...
I can just imagine how much more difficult it's gotten with time and expectations of the crowds, judges, etc...
Marching band definitely is a sport.
Marching pit, you need a LOT of strength to move your instruments, especially up and down slopes across long distances and loading the trailer. Pushing a massive instrument across field (especially for my school) requires a lot more strength and power than sports like golding. A good mallet stroke is pretty difficult to attain without exerting strength, in this case, pit practice lasts for hours on end, frequently under the blazing sun (to rehearse with the band). The hand-eye coordination for playing an instrument is INSANE. You have to control you body but also have to control your wrist or fingers very carefully. Marching band definitely deserve a high ranking
4:44 Eric:"you're not going to die doing marching band"
Me:"try doing band camp im arizona in 110 degree heat with few water breaks"
In a 3 hour basketball practice I’m lucky if I get 2 water breaks and my gym doesn’t have air conditioning so I feel that
If you want to do sports competitively, don't come to Arizona unless the building has good ac
Oh my God, that shouldn't be allowed, they need to take care of you guys better
@@forestarden4406 bro that’s what sports are like. My football has 4 hour practices in 95-105 degrees with few water breaks, and marching band is like that too
@@fathomrl I'm in colorguard, my band director let's us do secontionals inside if it's too hot, and they try to give us a lot of water breaks as well. They really need to take better care of you guys you if they're gonna have you practicing in that kind of heat them they need to give you frequent water breaks. Idk maybe I just got lucky and the norm is what you said, but even so that shouldn't be the case
here before “day ... of asking emc to make a gong hi hat”
Marching band is the hardest sport. It requires just as much commitment too. I once missed a football game cause I was sick, and then woke up the next day (still extremely sick and dying) and made it through a whole rehearsal, bus ride, competition, and bus ride home, all while being extremely ill. That's what band is all about :)
please make a gong hat, a gongespiel, or a trianglespiel (glockenspiel made of gongs or triangles)
I'd argue the hand-eye coordination is related to the insane amounts of precision with regard to keeping time. Don't underestimate clean rolls across a snare line. I'd argue that's at least as much hand-eye than timing a green light on a race start. Not to mention that timing all has to happen independently to the drill. I think that's the one column where marching band could gain a lot of movement up the list.
Thank you for this! I've long argued this with people over the years who think marching band looks easy, not understanding the skill required to keep tempo, maintain your spot in the formation, run around the field for 10 minutes while blowing air into your instrument with dynamics and pitch! It's a hella workout, but so satisfying...
That said, please God don't ever let an athletic director be in charge of marching band!
Ah yes.......the glorious cowboys cheerleaders
As someone from Dallas, we take much pride in our beautiful cheerleaders. God bless these girls. (':
Yep Go DALLAS CHEERLEADERS
That's the ONLY thing glorious about the Cowboys 🤣 and Dak even grew up here, about 6 or 8 miles from where I currently sit.
I hated marching band, Freshmen year of HS. The director asked one day, if anyone wanted to play the bells (glockenspiel). These were not made for marching, but sideline. So... I volunteered. Didn't have to worry about the formations and movements and I got to take nice, long 30min naps on the sidelines while the rest of the band did formations during band class. Was glorious!
I still had to learn to march in sync though, for X-Mas parades and things, but that was fine. Point is, it's a sport. You move a lot, on the field. Sometimes very quickly... Eventually, I got better at moving in formations, but I still stuck with the bells during football season.
Well considering endurance, the drumline points should have been increased, because the drumline has to carry much heavier instruments than most of the winds or color guard. I think drumline should be a bit harder than color guard just considering the weight of the drum.
True but the drumline gets to breathe
Marching euphonium is pretty darn heavy, basically just a ginormous trumpet that you still have to hold in front of your face with no counterbalances or braces. I really think we should’ve scored brass and woodwinds separately because marching euph vs flutes, it’s a big difference.
@@lottapitchy9625 flutes are probably the second hardest woodwind based on holding it, cause it has to be completely Parallel, clarinets have it the easiest, it is just how they normally hold it and saxes have it the hardest just cause of the weight
@@liamsmith8518 I agree with that, clarinets would probably be easiest to hold during marching, rather than flutes. They have really good shoulder muscles. I just probably couldn’t do it; I’m definitely not made for woodwinds. Too many buttons and they all do weird things, and some press down others at the same time? Noooo thank you. I’ll stick with my euph!
@@liamsmith8518 but our saxes have neck straps so I don’t think it’s too hard on them, so I’m not gonna feel too bad for my sax friends. We only march alto saxes so I can’t say anything about marching tenor or bari, but I’m pretty sure even with all of that extra weight, it’s still a lot easier with the neck straps and harnesses.
So I’m a percussionist and I believe that winds should have gotten higher than percussion because they have to work their arms for horn angles and also they don’t get to breathe as much as percussionists do.
I hadn't considered the horn angles but yeah I agree with the whole breathing thing
Yeah definitely holding your breath while moving requires more endurance than holding a drum. Since he's a drummer he probably didn't think of that part.
Definitely agreed as a Snare Drummer
especially contras
Winds need more on strength... especially low brass. I want you to hold a marching baritone at attention at 10 degrees above parallel for 12 minutes and then repeat for a 3 hour rehearsal just for a challenge. Also you didn't factor in the breathing control wind players have to use while also doing typically more complex and faster moves then the drum line. Aka we are out of breath and still have to hold notes forever usually at close to the top of our dynamic range.
As someone who has spent multiple years on tenors and multiple years on baritone...I'm sorry but you are wrong...in my opinion.
@@c.or.yd.aniel.l9639 Your poor muscles, I cant imagine playing both. Baritone already messes with me, but adding tenors... oof
I think strength favors the battery while endurance would winds, because you have to meter your breathing during a show to still play. All the marching members have it hard, it's a tough-ass activity.
Playing marching baritone, marching backwards from the near the front of the 50 to the near the back of the 10 yard line while playing in 3 measures during 1 part of our 11th grade year show back in 1990.
@@c.or.yd.aniel.l9639I appreciate the baritone recognition 🫡
"Why do band people get nervous, you're not going to get physically hurt if you screw up"
didn't you march Crown with the dude broke his leg during finals
You try lugging around a set of toms or bass drum while playing and doing a synced dance with a 100 other people and then ask yourself if it isn't a sport!
Idk I’m on the drumline too, I’m 120lbs carrying 40lb tenors and personally I still don’t think it’s a sport :/
@@BBLstiiizy : I hear ya. I was just trying to make a point. Yeah, it isn't a sport, but it certainly requires strength, stamina, and coordination........ more than some sports do! :) Cool that your on the drumline......... rock on.
Just because it’s difficult doesn’t mean it’s a sport though. If we are following that logic, I could say “try pissing into the wind while juggling a job as a janitor and nurse, and then tell me that clean-health-pissing isn’t a sport.”
When I was in high school, we needed a half credit of any Phys Ed class for graduation. But they also counted doing Marching Band as an equivalent for that half credit, so I got out of that one =D And I would lose 15-20 pounds basically every marching season.
Yeah I'm doing MB/other sports for gym credits. Leaves more time in my day for more band lol.
i march tenor drums and i can not wait to show this to a football player who said that marching band isn't a sport but an exercise
Marching band is a sport, we get a sports credit for doing it at our school. For comedy club we made a video of football players and marching band kids switching places. Some quotes from the football players when they did band: “y’all do this every game” “how do you guys do this the whole game”. Also, I March Sousa but I also do color guard, marching Sousa is harder.
Hah okay as a front ensemble person I mostly agree. My two thoughts though are that I think the amount of muscle training to build chops and play with good quality of sound is a little (not a lot) underestimated. Sure you're not training the large muscles, but you need well trained smaller muscles. The other is I think the Hand-Eye Coordination could use some more credit across the board. Hitting correct playing zones at 212 bpm, maintaining intervals, learning drill, etc. I think would all fall under this category. In fact, I think one could argue all mallet playing is is hand-eye coordination.
I marched drumline at a Texas 5A (now 6A cuz I’m old), I marched with an Open Class WGI line, a World Class WGI line, and then 2 years of DCI Div I (1st and 3rd place). I also played Lacrosse and I’m currently a mid level USATT ranked table tennis player. My rankings are:
1) lacrosse. I was a Middie/Attack so not only are you running the length of the field the whole time, you’re also trying to keep body and soul together while 6’+ dudes with 6’ poles whack and beat the crap outta you. Needless to say, broken bones and concussions came with the territory.
2) Marching band/WGI/DCI. This one edges out table tennis for me cuz even though it’s a 12 min performance, I played bass drum and also marched a corps known for its challenging drill.
3) in a close 3rd, we have table tennis. This will be the hardest collection of 1-3 meter sprints strung together anywhere. While this is going on, you’re hitting a 40mm ball going at incredible speed with lbs of heavy spin with a small racquet with a near 0 margin of error. All while trying to out smart your opponent. The workouts for table tennis are high intensity and tournaments can last typically up to 10 hrs.
The list is also missing Dancesport / Ballroom Dancing, which I did for many years and which is about as hard as figure skating. BTW: I was one of the 10% who answered "Not in a band" on your poll and I am just here because I discovered you when you set TwoSetViolin straight about percussion and I find you so interesting and enjoyable to watch that I just stayed.
From a purely physical standpoint, yes it is a sport. The only reason why marching band/DCI isn't a sport is because when bands compete you can't objectively say which band "won" the competition. It is entirely subjective where as in other sports such as soccer or basketball, you can objectively say which team won. Other than that, I totally agree that marching band/DCI should be respected for the physical requirements it takes to perform at the highest level possible.
@Ikarys yeah but that doesn’t make it objective at all. high school bands obviously aren’t gonna be as good as dci but they’re still going to get a good score. that’s literally what being subjective is. each judge gives a different score it’s not objective at all.
@Ikarys but you’re right about it being the same as gymnastics and shit
5:25 “in marching band you’re not gonna have anything random change”
The directors mind on competition day: “don’t mind if I do”
I think he scored these on the low side. My indiana high school marching band was definitely more intense then golf in every way physically and mentally
I think there are many aspects to marching band ignored by the parameters shown and yeah I think he did score it low
As a person who does both front Ensemble and is part of low brass I totally agree with this whole video
Pretty funny how ESPN thinks boxing is harder than mixed martial arts, wich is literally boxing and another dozen of martial arts combined.
I do horseback riding and marching band and they are both most definitely sports. Riding and marching band both require strength, endurance, and flexibility.
My favorite sport is watching your videos
He just read the definition of sport and you decided watching videos is a sport? Good for you.
@@randal_gibbons well jeez Mr RANDAL, didn’t know things were so... SERIOUS
COLORGUARD HERE, I always watch your videos and jsut finished my first season of drum corps with crossmen
Finally someone that understands how hard it is to march
If it's hot outside, your wind instrument will more likely be sharp
For anyone who says playing trombone is not a sport.
Well first, you have to tune your trombone into the right notes to make it perfect, and that takes time, also making your slides smooth and smooth for a while is *HARD* , trust me it takes a gallon of slide cream to make it smooth, playing trombone requires skill and physical movements, you have to position your slides into a perfect position to make the perfect sound, and moving from 1st to 6th position in under half of a second can literally be it's own sport.
Come on Eric, front ensemble has the hardest parts.
They put all their points in INT
Also personally I‘m more exhausted after a whole weekend standing on one place, than after marching baritone. Your body of course is down at the end of the day... but it is not that crazy, than the pain in just your back...
I did front ensemble and drumline and I'd dare to say being in drumline was actually more difficult music-wise, especially when taking phasing and listening in into account. Just my experience though, I'm sure other folk's differ.
if technical ability was in the evaluation, pit would be higher
I did front ensemble my freshman year, and hated it because it felt too easy. As a result, I moved to drumline for the rest of my HS life. Never regretted it once. But that’s high school, and it’s probably different in drum corps
“Drum line has more strength because their instruments are heavier” Baritones left the chat
Just thought id say, im currently in color guard… granted im going back to woodwinds next year but hopefully stick with winterguard
Marching band is like running but you can only belreath every once in a while.
I would say strength/endurance wise drummers have higher than football players. I still remember that in HS, a football player jokingly threw on the smallest bass drum and started running. I caught up and passed him with the largest (out of 4)drum on. Then he tripped because he couldn't see where he was going. Field awareness is also the hardest on the drum line, especially the bass line has to react to the ability not to be able to see where we are walking. During calvacades how many other instruments could drop their instruments, then mid beat grab another stick, and continue playing and acting like nothing happened.
I also remember in my senior year, at my final calvacade, one of our sax players pants fell down around his ankles marching to the final location of field. Right in front of the drum line. I give him kudos for not reacting and appropriately marching off field with his pants around his ankles and the drum line (which I was part of) keeping our serious face on while on the inside dying from laughter at this occurring.
Yeah, you judged us all (except for front ensemble) way to low. Also band front should be harder than cheerleaders. They are just as physical and flexible, with a hell of a lot more memorized moves than cheerleaders. 😂😂😂
I fish a lot and can confirm esports is harder that fishing
I think wind should have been slightly higher than percussion in endurance because of the whole breathing thing, anyone else agree?
Me with my clarinet doing flutter steps: if dance and cheer are sports, so can band be a sport, also some people in sports do less than marching band hehe
So.. a spart?
I favorite sport is a tied position, Bass Fishing and Marching band lol. Fishing is more strategic than difficult. You really have to determine where the fish are going to be working against temperatures of the water, structure. etc. Thanks EMCproductions, you're very awesome to watch!
I saw the pride of west virginia picture and I started screaming
“WVU WVU WVU”
Here in Missouri MSHSAA, the organization that manages and sanctions sports, considers Marching band as a sport. We have to follow the same rules and guidelines as all other sports.
Based purely on physical demand, I'd say DCI is higher than most of the sports on there. I remember the old CBS report where they attached a oxygen rebreather to a Blue Devils quad player and found during a run their BPM and oxygen output was higher than pro football players. Although most shows are only around 12 minutes, many forget the training, ie band camp, is 10-12 hours a day of mental and physical activity for months, which is as much or much more than certain professional sports do.
Thank you for setting it straight. Also using the WVU pic. I know its small, but it means a lot. GO WVU!
MARCHING BAND IS A SPORT! GET AT ME, BRO!
I mean ESPN shows DCI finals soooo..
Mad facts
*Cries in flomarching*
REALLY?!
They haven’t shown finals in a good 15 years...
Literally did a argument speech essay on this 😂
I eventually gave in to the side of activities like marching band, show choir, and even gymnastics not being sports because it’s just too dependent on subjective factors. The most subjective thing about sports is usually the referee and even then, there’s usually multiple referees and instant replays in the professional leagues to make sure that there’s no mistake to whether or not, say a ball was in or out or anything else that could be considered subjective. There’s objective rules and regulations to sports such as football, baseball, tennis. As far as marching band, gymnastics, or really any other athletic activity that is based on judges is concerned, they aren’t sports to me because it can all come down to one judge liking the performance more than the others or not thinking the technique is up to par. Your performance also has little to no effect other than maybe intimidation based on your ability or lack thereof and the second guessing of your opponent’s abilities by themselves. I feel like in a sport, there needs to be an action that one player or team does that directly changes the performance of their opponent and judge-based athletic activities don’t do that.
Total woodass* here - played saxophone in marching band and baritone in corps. I'm not sure if brass is harder or if corps is harder, or both, but I definitely exerted more effort to do that. I'm not gonna argue too much, but don't tell me the clarinets have to work as hard as the tubas.
*(it took me like four tries to pause the video in the right place)
I know this video is older but I just watched it. This was hilarious!
Front Ensemble: "It's harder than fishing"
Seems... fitting.
Marching band is a sport but according to my school: "If it doesn't make the school money and isn't a 1 on 1 tourney, it not a sport." ---My principal.
Marching band is about 38% of my schools annual income according to the spreadsheet released at the beginning of the year for last year's income. And I'm just going to go on a limb and say that's a lot since they're building a new $1,000,000 football field soon.
@@pythox2886 man I wish my school cared that much about their instrumental music education program 🤣
As someone that marched quads in high school, and did several sports throughout my life, I don’t honestly consider it a sport but a physical art.
Yeah same
Thanks for representing for West Virginia!!!
Wouldn’t front ensemble have large points in hand-eye coordination by hitting notes on a keyboard without looking at the keyboard itself?
You won’t believe how many times my math class got into this argument last year. The teacher had to write on the whiteboard “4th period is not allowed to talk about marching band or sports”
Okay but... EMC’s played hockey?? I’m a drummer that’s played hockey, too!
Anyone else?
I’ve literally had an ongoing argument with one of my friends about this topic, thank you so much for this 😎😎
its like i always say. color guard is just cheerleading for people with talent
No surprised that CG is the most difficult. When I marched Drum Corps, any time the guard would have to do anything the "corps proper" would have to do, like marching or jazz runs, the guard members would perform it flawlessly immediately where most of the rest of us would take weeks to get it. They were by far the most athetic. I don't even want to talk about when horn players or drumline members needed to dance. One year I am pretty sure that a part of our show with horn players dancing was removed because a bunch of us had no hope of being able to perform it.
Marching band has been and will always be a sport, brought to you from a junior in marching band 🎷🎷 saxophone proud
Interesting to see how the mind of EMC works. 🤔 😂 🤣
I know I sound biased, however just because something is harder, doesnt make it a sport. I think you have a point and I do like how you made good points on why it should be a sport
EMC- shows oboe and bassoon in list of winds for marching band
Me who joined drum line because you can’t march oboe or bassoon- 👁👄👁
Good morning!
I don't think marching band. I put it in the category of judged athletic competition. Since judging is subjective in band, it shouldn't be compared to sports that award points based on certain actions. E.g. putting a ball through a hoop, putting a disk in a net, or hitting the center of a target.
As for "you can't die in band," my instructor in high school had told me that a member of the DCA corps the Kilties had passed away during a performance. I also had a friend in colorguard split her head open on a windy day during rifle practice.
That being said, I think the same case should be made for any other sport of the kind, like gymnastics and ice skating. Like seriously, if ice skating is a sport then why the heck isn't marching band?
Band doesn’t require a physical, like an actual sport does. Boom roasted.
“Marching”
@@confab5940 walking instead of sitting doesn’t change it. Next eating while walking makes an athlete… please stop.
@@PoorSmellyYeti Yeah but have you considered the weight of the instruments, the air capacity, or wrist endurance? or literally just any of the factors outside of the marching?
@themilkdealer1 hey man, I forgot I even posted this. But in a different video I posted something similar, according to the word "sport" band is one. I have no ground to disagree on. It's simply difficult for people to say ufc and band are both sports. Does that make sense?
@themilkdealer1 yes, band is a sport.
3:48 as an equestrian (and percussionist) i am utterly offend
As someone who was a section leader and played Tenor Saxophone from 9th to 11th grade and in my senior year switched to Bassline... my high schools drum line was 10x more disciplined than the rest of the band including color guard. COULD NOT be late EVER, we had the LEAST breaks, we were the only ones who showed up EARLY to do PT like stretch, jog, push ups etc... on the field while rehearsing with the rest of the band, we stood for SO LONG as the rest were getting things ready, fixing music in real time, adjusting dots etc... since we knew our music beginning to end from memory, and we were pretty good at knowing our dots, we found ourselves waiting on the rest of the band more often than not.
It was easily way more challenging than being a horn player. Especially me who was a lead, playing difficult music, LOUD as all hell haha. I’ll do admit one thing, being a tenor sax player gave me great lungs lol
me, who is in percussion: hey, we pulse. that's....something. And, at comps I have to push a huge metal cart holding a synth across the turf, and I'm a seventh grader who has to try to keep up with all of the high schoolers.
i think you underscored the analytical. it said like joe montana reading a defense. what about listening analysis, staying in formation. All musicians have difficult listening situation across the field, front to back. Tempo changes. DCI drill is very difficult to march a spot and make adjustments to fluid formations. I think that should have been higher than a 2
4:52 what about the guy who broke his leg during the last run in Crown 2010 (your ageout show)
yeah what
Bein a cowboy. I appreciate that you put Rodeo on here. I really do.
Hi, former golfer and percussionist in marching band here...why in gods name is golf so low!? It’s the hardest thing I’ve ever done. Played all 4 years in high school and I hated (but also loved) every second of it. Most frustrating thing ever. The only reason I don’t say marching band is the hardest I’ve ever done is cause I went to a small school with almost no funding for band and all the stuff we performed was so so so so simple.
you put my highschool as the front ensemble picture :)
my boy casey is front and center lol. i go to south cobb we play yall ever year i think
cool! what school?
@@brandonk.4864 sprayberry
Last school year, me, a few friends of mine, and our band directors, put together a case to bring to our school board. We wanted marching band to either be considered a sport and get the benefits of it. Or be considered a gym credit due to band taking up two separate blocks. We had a really strong case and knew we would get something.
The meeting was scheduled for April 15
All in person school board meetings were canceled April 2nd "until the situation permits"
Our school gives 1/2 of pe credit for marching band, so don't give up hope!
My favorite sport is jazz band
Don't @ me
As a tuba player I’m considering tuba rating closer to drumline since my horns closer to drumline weight that other winds weight
Analytic = listening in to rest of section and adjusting on the fly. You underscored most of the values for each section by not adjusting to what sports it's similar to.
6:36 I'm a tubist in my high school marching band, I also play tenors in my school's drum line, I find this sentence very infuriating
as a former bowler, front ensemble is harder than bowling lmao all it takes to bowl is a good arm, knowledge of how slicked the lane is and the pattern of it, depth perception, patience, and a smidge of technique
7 am PST? I mean, I was awake, heard the 🎶bling🎶 but didn't check my notification for 3 minutes, since I wasn't expecting EMCproductions so early in the morning.... 🌄😉🤣
I want to see eric play volleyball and water polo. I also think that he would dominate at pool.
my sport is watching ur vids
I'm sure Joe Montanya and his brother Tony appreciate the shout out 😆
It may only be a 10 minute or so performance sure but most people don’t realize those long year round practices that get you there. Carrying around 35 pound tenors all day in the summer heat definitely takes some endurance. Don’t even get me started on band camp if you were part of a super competitive program. If you are doing winter guard/indoor percussion competitions you don’t get an off season like most high school sports.
0:31 "okay that's the end of the video, thanks for watching"
Shortest EMC video ever!
im really only here to feel better ab myself lol. my directors have been having our marching band outside practicing, in the middle of summer in 90+ degree weather for 8 hours a day, going over the same reps to make them perfect. i came home and checked my facebook. my highschools facebook account posted pictures of the cheerleaders and said something how about how they were working so hard. they were inside, in the gym, in the air conditioning, for e hours a day for 3 days. where as our band, we have been outside 8 hours a day for past 2 weeks so that those cheerleaders can have music to freakin cheer to.
Our percussion is so small we don’t have a drum line for our shows