A another Jamaica we start running from basic school primary school secondary school high school from mom bigger brothers and sisters plus all these sports foot ball cricket net ball or just challenging each other drug's or not Ben is still ma'man
That was the greatest 100 final ever and has never been overshadowed even today. What Ben Johnson achieved that day was legendary. He was years ahead of his time and I still regard him as a hero even though what we now know today.
barnetthejosh His gold should NOT be returned. He cheated. Period. Was everyone else cheating? Of course, but that doesn't excuse it. It would be tantamount to letting a proven serial killer go free because another serial killer wasn't caught or was let off wrongly. No, the answer is to find the others and punish them as well.
barnetthejosh wow! A 3 year old poster replies and right away, shocking! Anyway, the question you ask doesn't have a single answer. As for Christie, he passed the tests from that race and no evidence has surfaced that he was using at that time (even though anyone who knows the first thing about doing in sports and athletics in particular knows he was doping at that time) and his failed drug tests came at other events later on. The evidence on Carl Lewis failing tests in the run up to the games is credible and can be sourced, but the US Olympic committee and their drug enforcement administrators covered those up (along with dozens of others) by saying they felt the reasons given for the failures were adequate (again, not just Lewis but all of them) and therefore didn't take the sanctions that they ought to have. And in both Lewis' and Christie's cases, their samples were not kept and therefore once the evidence of wrongdoing surfaced later on there were no samples to retest or confirm guilt, and therefore no legal leg to stand on to rescind the medals. The one good thing that is happening now (amongst all the cheating, lying, covering up, and backroom dealing that is still going on) is that samples from previous games and major events are being securely stored and once new and better testing protocols are developed they have the ability to go back and retest them. And as we have seen, hundreds of retroactive suspensions and disqualifications and return of medals and elimination of records have occurred. But the testing is still way behind the science to avoid positive test results. And the key to ending ped use is massive unannounced out of competition testing by a qualified and independent and uncorrupted governing body with legal authority to do it to everyone everywhere. But not only is this very expensive and a logistical nightmare, there is no will to do this by most of the world's governing bodies because it is still a corrupt political world we live in and national leaders continue to gain political points and false pride and bravado in claiming their athletes win because of how great their country is and the political system they were produced under.
Stu Pidas well, when someone replies to my comment as happened here, I get a notification. Great points sir. One over arching logic here is perception. You see The Games need to be marketable, they don’t want to catch everyone. Hence the non introduction of GH test pre Sydney Olympics. I realise it’s futile, but my earlier point was simply that of this was a fair world ( not necessarily a righteous one) , then Ben Johnson should still have his gold medal.
barnetthejosh I was a top end athlete in high school in the early to mid '80s and as i began in university i knew i could go no further because i was not willing to cheat. Steroid use and "blood doping" was going on even at the high school level and i was able to beat "the cheaters" locally and most regionally, but on a national (let alone international) stage i was falling behind. I knew quite a lot of fellow athletes who admitted to using, a lot who denied it but everyone knew, and a lot of "clean" athletes. And one thing we all noticed was each and every clean athlete started falling by the wayside, making slight incremental improvements while "the cheaters" were having huge jumps in performance. We were all sore, tired, and dealing with nagging injuries while they were back in the weight room or on the track training harder and harder. By the time my third year at university came around my third or fourth place finishes in the finals turned into quarterfinal or semifinal eliminations despite racing against the very same people. Without a lie, every single clean athlete i personally knew (which were in the hundreds) in a discipline requiring power, strength, or explosive speed all either quit or were cut or didn't have their agreements (sponsorships, scholarships, etc) renewed. And this is why i feel Ben should never get a medal back. Yes, the others were all certainly cheating, but it was BECAUSE of cheaters such as him and the others that thousands upon thousands of top level dedicated athletes who would NOT cheat had no chance at realizing their goals and dreams. No mater how well or hard they trained, focussed, practiced, ate healthy and lived well, they would always have an insurmountable barrier unfairly placed in their path. There were at least 50 times i was offered/suggested/told to take anabolic steroids by fellow athletes, sponsors, trainers, doctors and coaches and each time i refused because it simply wasn't right. We knew a fair amount about the harmful side effects (not to the extent we do now of course) but for most of us that wasn't why we chose not to "go to the dark side" as we called it. It was because it was truly against what excellence in sport was all about. I understood why many did take the drugs (including a lot of people i called friends) because it seemed "everyone" was doing it. Well, everyone wasn't doing it. Ten of thousands of us didn't because it was cheating and it was wrong. You just didn't hear of us because none of us made it to the top. None.
Ben gets banned for life for a second positive test, but Justin Gatlin is still going, faster than ever at age 36, and after 2 failed drug tests. Seems legit.
It's not possible for Gatlin to be able to run as well as ever at 37 years of age and this after 2 drugs bans he's some cheat and if he wasn't American he wouldn't have been allowed back to re cheat
Americans are crazy to be the best at everything, including the 100m. Today the world is more globalized and certainly the Olympic team, the Olympic anti-doping organization would catch him. But I also think he wore it, his physique, his speed really was incredible.
1:40 "While he had won he was known as the Canadian Ben Johnson, but as soon as he got caught cheating, he was known as the Jamaican Ben Johnson." Those are some powerful statements that are true to this day.
Crossed by the greatest hypocrisy ever seen in sport. Carl Lewis, Linford Christie both Olympic gold medalists were caught in doping. The American with a physicist wide open by Anabilziantes (Florence Griffith-Joyner) was never caught. Ridiculous. For me Ben will be remembered for being an extremely strong runner with a strong start and after getting upright to increase his speed and be steady, something no sprinter in the world has ever done. Bolt starts poorly, but Bolt is on another level. Ben was 20 years ahead of his time.
Bolt 'on another level'? You don't think it strange the entire Jamaican team got caught for doping except the men's and women's Jamaican gold medallists??? It woulda ruined the sport, funny how he retired straight after. And you never stop to question it? Also funny how he could never look the camera in the face....just like Ben Johnson...also cheats on his GF with a tart....wake up pal
@@ajvindiesel8517 I don't disagree. But what about competitors, especially Americans (athletes, judges, etc.) wouldn't they be keeping an eye on Bolt? Think!
@@Fabiano79 the 1988 final 5 of 8 were on drugs...I know this for a fact from a 1988 competitor....to answer your question....your competitors know but can't say anything at the time as it ends their careers too, it's a case of who's on the most juice. Sad state of affairs.
Most of them were all on the gear, Ben just came out on top shattering his old WR because he was a better sprinter, end of story. Any of you who think sprinting is a cleaner sport today your all blind in your own little world. There will always be drugs in sports at the top levels. Ben Johnson is the best sprinter to ever walk this earth, and he was stopped before his peak, he could have done so much more.
Ben was major scapegoat. Really his victory was legitimate as they were all using something. His medal ought to be returned. I seriously question whether anyone has been clean in sprinting for a long time. They all knew what the others were doing....and responded accordingly. He was set up because there is no way that he’d have shown up not pre tested.
it was later found that 6 of the 8 sprinters in that race had taken drugs. Ben was a scapegoat. sport is a big business. big pharma ensures it stays lucrative and cashes in too. all things being equal, nobody to this day explodes out of the blocks better than Ben and with most everyone on the sauce before and after 88, how many years later did the 9.79 he ran get beat? nothing against Usain, he is humble and a great sprinter but would lose to Ben in a race if all things being equal.
You believing Bolt is clean is the epitome of why drugs/PED's are still in every top athlete in the sport. It really is not hard to beat the system. All it takes is proper scheduling and a team. The hypocrisy of the sport is so obvious, the best part I always find is not the fact that athletes take it and scapegoats get caught but that people believe someone is still clean.
@@pictureofmyjunk2279 You have no proof Bolt took PEDs lmao, you’re just spewing nonsense, there are guys getting banned today for Weed & Missing tests alone yet you think they wouldn’t expose & suspend an actually drugs cheat, if he was on Drugs he’d have been caught a while back.
Despite the fact there was wide spread doping by the finalist, Johnson destroyed Lewis. Of all the runners, I believe that Lewis cried the loudest because he had some success against Johnson in meets leading up to the Games. In a business where popularity sells, Lewis was a simply a diva.
I love the doctors comments about how stanozolol doesn't make you run faster. I think what he is trying to say is he wants to clear up the misconception that ben simply popped a pill and immediately ran faster. he says "it allows you to train longer and harder so your better equipped" which hence makes u run faster then you normally would be able to. lol
Chrisman77 Yeah but what he meant was, Stanozonol isn’t a drug that gives you an instant speed boost, you have to train extremely hard for it to work. It’s not just for Running as well so it isn’t just specific to sprinters, bodybuilders use it as well.
haha, it's funny how people always say "well ya still got to put in the work when you take steroids" uhhh, when you're on juice it's fkn fun to put in the work! or people will say "she did steroids but she didn't need them, she'd still have won"...uh, well why did she risk EVERYTHING by taking them then, to win by a bigger lead? gtfo
I love how the media and the USA made Ben into this monster when your own athletes were cheating as well! So as far as I am concerned, Ben was better than all of them and it was a even playing field!
People have to rethink the difference between drugs/steroids and other competitive edges. Technological advances such as new shoes, training schemes, physio techniques, zero-gravity treadmills, etc basically do the same thing. Help you train harder, keep you more fit and allow you to reach your full potential
When ESPN did a 30 for 30 about Ben Johnson, the dr they interviewed basically said (without saying) that everyone was doping back then. They saved the samples given in 1988 and tested them with updated technology. He refused to say what samples tested positive but it was inferred that Carl Lewis, Flo Jo and everyone else that was on the medal stands had tainted samples. Ben must have taken it to the next level with the needle.
It was the fallout from the Ben Johnson scandal combined with the Breads Not Circuses coalition that cost Toronto their 1996 Olympics bid (we all know who got it).
Ben, STILL and will be always be the best in history! And the biggest unfair judgement to an athlete. Now, we know that the big show business and big pharm@ needed a scapegoat. Ben, is one in human history!
Certainly out of the blocks, Ben's reaction time was legendary, within the first 5 metres of his races he's ahead by 1 metre (check the 1987 9.83 race), drugs or not the '88 Olympic final is the most iconic mezmorizing 100m race of all time, in the blocks Ben looked like a panther ready to pounce on his prey,....Usain,...fast as hell but just a tall lanky guy that can run fast that has bad starts because of his height. Lewis should not have recieved the gold, he was later proved to be on something and he ran out of his lane 3 times,...very questionable Gold,...2 questionable golds actually if you include Flo-jo in her win,....died of heart failure in her 30's, usual symptoms of drug use.
Do the math. Mondo track (Bolt) today, faster than the Seoul red tartan. marginally or much better shoes (?); Johnson easing off, shutting off the engine significantly well before finish, look at the slowmo of the race. Take into account the completely sub-optimal preparation, littered with personal problems, throughout the 1988. season, that took even physicall toll on Johnson, culminating in the injury that season. Adding all that, together with the fact that this was 1988., and not 2012. (2012. with all the advances in sport science and else) and some other elements that I'm rather not going to go into discussing here, and imagine what time Johnson would be REALLY able to run had he ran today and if his career was not take away from him. Remember, he never reached his maximum potential since he was not allowed to continue to compete.
@@argokan #Johnson didn't significantly slow at the line, putting his arm up wouldn't even have cost him a 100th of a second. 9.79 vs 9.58 equates to a huge distance on the track. He was almost 27 here, and #Bolt was nearly 23 when he set his WR (I looked it up), so I doubt Johnson would've improved much. Not sure this track was slower for the sprinters than they are today - I think it was possibly harder and better for sprinting, but worse for distance runners, but that's hard to judge. But, 1988 was the most iconic race ever. ...Both he and Bolt were on the #PEDs though and were much faster than the other junkies they raced. Human beings are no longer evolving - there's no evolution pressures - so, anyone going
Goatlips I agree with some stuff you have outlined, but have some digressions from a good deal of what it written in your reply. The "slowdown" in last meters was not all that insignificant. Try to get hold of the book "Speed Trap", written by late Charlie Francis, where he gives a detailed account of those meters in the chapter in the book solely dedicated to this very race. Regarding the issue of performance enhancement (and not only with the "D" in the end) - things have progressed further then most of us know - that I have been informed of. Can't go into detail here, but what I have heard was nothing short of mind-boggling, and it was far from one thing, or singular progressions in sport science or research. The track in 1988. vs . the modern tracks, and even the shoes (to some degree) have to be accounted for in the context here, as well as the completely sub-optimal (to say the least) preparations for the OG 1988. - Jonhson got injured a whole lot earlier, and there were other things playing into very worrying 1988. season he had, prior to olympics. Well described in Francis' book.
Organise a competition where drugs are allowed and let's see how fast a human being can really run... I'd like to see someone who's using everything possible under the sun and let's see how quick he can go
He was poor when he came back because he was 31-32 years old for one thing. If you research his story his main helper over his career Charlie Francis was gone as was his doctor Jamie astaphan his entourage was well and truly gone. He was alone and trying to do it clean after a few years absence from the sport it simply wasn't possible. Now if he was American number 1 he would not have been caught. The yanks have a serial cheat Gatlin still running his best at 37 after 2 bans for drugs its not possible he's a filthy cheat. It's a dirty game Johnson was definitely a scapegoat for all the others.
Bullet Bob Hayes greatest sprinter of all and he ran on a cinder track and never ran again after age 21 because the Dallas Cowboys had drafted him to play football! Track guys don't hit their peak until the ages of 24-28!...
Tony Conner Bolt would smoke him, he wouldn’t even be top 10 in bolts era. Gay, Gatlin, Blake, Thompson, Bailey, Powell, Carter, Coleman & more are faster (Coleman is only getting faster as he’s still young)
Tony Conner But I’ll give you the fact that he ran in an old era and got a 9.9 before leaving for football tbf, I’m doing my research and he seems like a beast😱
@@TheAfricanNightDemon Bullet Bob was running on cinder tracks, I don't know if you have ever seen one but it's similar to running on gravel. He ran a 9.9. on loose dirt if Usain Bolt had run on this his world record would not be 9.58 and if Bullet Bob had ran on tartan tracks his record would be a lot lower than 9.9!.... Every time Hayes would run he would beat every one by 5-7 yards and be pulling away! He walked away from track at the tender age of 21. Bolt was 23 when set the record of 9.58. Bob Hayes to this day holds the record for the 70 yard dash and still running on a cinder track, he also is 2nd all time 60 meters!... So tell me again he is not even close to the greatest of all time!... Read below Bruh!... en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hayes
stanozolol doesn't make you run faster.it allows you to train longer and harder so your better equipped" which hence makes u run faster then you normally would be able to. Reply
He possibly ended up as a whipping boy,albeit he was caught on doping again when he was back after the suspension. So,a bad boy or just a weak canadian athletic federation ? It's renowned his opponents were allegedly cheating as well,some of them were admittedly taking forbidden substances in those days...So then,was there any chance for Johnson to challenge Lewis Christie and the other fellows with a mere hard training ?
He chea to the maximum! No respects for him + no salut! And him complains that his back to be "Jamaican" after his cheat, is nothing different to Andy Murry of tennis when he win is "British", when he loose is beck to be "Scottish"
We all know if he had not beaten usa golden man lewis, johnson would not of been caught. You all know it. Usa, and uk athletes have the advantage knowing when they will be tested. Do you think people like johnson were dumb enough to do this? The law in sports is also applied by humans, meaning most people get away with wrong doing, and some are picked out. Sport is run by politics, and no one at top level sports like this, is not cheating.
ben complains as if he's being singled out, but the guy cheated, then lied and lied, then did steroids and got caught AGAIN! how many more chances do you think you should get?
I always thought Ben was the bad guy when I was younger now I think he is a total legend !! And what a sweet guy
A another Jamaica we start running from basic school primary school secondary school high school from mom bigger brothers and sisters plus all these sports foot ball cricket net ball or just challenging each other drug's or not Ben is still ma'man
Why is he a legend, bolt is a legend, not someone who achieved a record only thanks to illegal substances
That was the greatest 100 final ever and has never been overshadowed even today.
What Ben Johnson achieved that day was legendary. He was years ahead of his time and I still regard him as a hero even though what we now know today.
his gold should be reinstated. nobody in that line up was clean and so why should Ben suffer now.
barnetthejosh His gold should NOT be returned. He cheated. Period. Was everyone else cheating? Of course, but that doesn't excuse it. It would be tantamount to letting a proven serial killer go free because another serial killer wasn't caught or was let off wrongly. No, the answer is to find the others and punish them as well.
Stu Pidas ok so why haven’t Carl Lewis medals been stripped, he got caught with a banned stimulant, sane for Linford Christie?
barnetthejosh wow! A 3 year old poster replies and right away, shocking! Anyway, the question you ask doesn't have a single answer. As for Christie, he passed the tests from that race and no evidence has surfaced that he was using at that time (even though anyone who knows the first thing about doing in sports and athletics in particular knows he was doping at that time) and his failed drug tests came at other events later on. The evidence on Carl Lewis failing tests in the run up to the games is credible and can be sourced, but the US Olympic committee and their drug enforcement administrators covered those up (along with dozens of others) by saying they felt the reasons given for the failures were adequate (again, not just Lewis but all of them) and therefore didn't take the sanctions that they ought to have. And in both Lewis' and Christie's cases, their samples were not kept and therefore once the evidence of wrongdoing surfaced later on there were no samples to retest or confirm guilt, and therefore no legal leg to stand on to rescind the medals. The one good thing that is happening now (amongst all the cheating, lying, covering up, and backroom dealing that is still going on) is that samples from previous games and major events are being securely stored and once new and better testing protocols are developed they have the ability to go back and retest them. And as we have seen, hundreds of retroactive suspensions and disqualifications and return of medals and elimination of records have occurred. But the testing is still way behind the science to avoid positive test results. And the key to ending ped use is massive unannounced out of competition testing by a qualified and independent and uncorrupted governing body with legal authority to do it to everyone everywhere. But not only is this very expensive and a logistical nightmare, there is no will to do this by most of the world's governing bodies because it is still a corrupt political world we live in and national leaders continue to gain political points and false pride and bravado in claiming their athletes win because of how great their country is and the political system they were produced under.
Stu Pidas well, when someone replies to my comment as happened here, I get a notification. Great points sir. One over arching logic here is perception. You see The Games need to be marketable, they don’t want to catch everyone. Hence the non introduction of GH test pre Sydney Olympics.
I realise it’s futile, but my earlier point was simply that of this was a fair world ( not necessarily a righteous one) , then Ben Johnson should still have his gold medal.
barnetthejosh
I was a top end athlete in high school in the early to mid '80s and as i began in university i knew i could go no further because i was not willing to cheat. Steroid use and "blood doping" was going on even at the high school level and i was able to beat "the cheaters" locally and most regionally, but on a national (let alone international) stage i was falling behind. I knew quite a lot of fellow athletes who admitted to using, a lot who denied it but everyone knew, and a lot of "clean" athletes. And one thing we all noticed was each and every clean athlete started falling by the wayside, making slight incremental improvements while "the cheaters" were having huge jumps in performance. We were all sore, tired, and dealing with nagging injuries while they were back in the weight room or on the track training harder and harder. By the time my third year at university came around my third or fourth place finishes in the finals turned into quarterfinal or semifinal eliminations despite racing against the very same people. Without a lie, every single clean athlete i personally knew (which were in the hundreds) in a discipline requiring power, strength, or explosive speed all either quit or were cut or didn't have their agreements (sponsorships, scholarships, etc) renewed.
And this is why i feel Ben should never get a medal back. Yes, the others were all certainly cheating, but it was BECAUSE of cheaters such as him and the others that thousands upon thousands of top level dedicated athletes who would NOT cheat had no chance at realizing their goals and dreams. No mater how well or hard they trained, focussed, practiced, ate healthy and lived well, they would always have an insurmountable barrier unfairly placed in their path. There were at least 50 times i was offered/suggested/told to take anabolic steroids by fellow athletes, sponsors, trainers, doctors and coaches and each time i refused because it simply wasn't right. We knew a fair amount about the harmful side effects (not to the extent we do now of course) but for most of us that wasn't why we chose not to "go to the dark side" as we called it. It was because it was truly against what excellence in sport was all about. I understood why many did take the drugs (including a lot of people i called friends) because it seemed "everyone" was doing it. Well, everyone wasn't doing it. Ten of thousands of us didn't because it was cheating and it was wrong. You just didn't hear of us because none of us made it to the top. None.
Ben gets banned for life for a second positive test, but Justin Gatlin is still going, faster than ever at age 36, and after 2 failed drug tests. Seems legit.
It's not possible for Gatlin to be able to run as well as ever at 37 years of age and this after 2 drugs bans he's some cheat and if he wasn't American he wouldn't have been allowed back to re cheat
Americans are crazy to be the best at everything, including the 100m. Today the world is more globalized and certainly the Olympic team, the Olympic anti-doping organization would catch him. But I also think he wore it, his physique, his speed really was incredible.
1:40 "While he had won he was known as the Canadian Ben Johnson, but as soon as he got caught cheating, he was known as the Jamaican Ben Johnson." Those are some powerful statements that are true to this day.
Are they though?
Still the greatest ever 100m Mens Olympic Final ever!!!
Just let everyone take whatever they want to take and may the best performance win!
Facts. They are all juicing anyways
Ben Johnson's only mistake was he wasn't born in the US.
All of them were on it.
Crossed by the greatest hypocrisy ever seen in sport. Carl Lewis, Linford Christie both Olympic gold medalists were caught in doping. The American with a physicist wide open by Anabilziantes (Florence Griffith-Joyner) was never caught. Ridiculous. For me Ben will be remembered for being an extremely strong runner with a strong start and after getting upright to increase his speed and be steady, something no sprinter in the world has ever done. Bolt starts poorly, but Bolt is on another level. Ben was 20 years ahead of his time.
Bolt 'on another level'? You don't think it strange the entire Jamaican team got caught for doping except the men's and women's Jamaican gold medallists??? It woulda ruined the sport, funny how he retired straight after. And you never stop to question it? Also funny how he could never look the camera in the face....just like Ben Johnson...also cheats on his GF with a tart....wake up pal
@@ajvindiesel8517
I don't disagree.
But what about competitors, especially Americans (athletes, judges, etc.) wouldn't they be keeping an eye on Bolt? Think!
@@Fabiano79 the 1988 final 5 of 8 were on drugs...I know this for a fact from a 1988 competitor....to answer your question....your competitors know but can't say anything at the time as it ends their careers too, it's a case of who's on the most juice. Sad state of affairs.
Most of them were all on the gear, Ben just came out on top shattering his old WR because he was a better sprinter, end of story. Any of you who think sprinting is a cleaner sport today your all blind in your own little world. There will always be drugs in sports at the top levels. Ben Johnson is the best sprinter to ever walk this earth, and he was stopped before his peak, he could have done so much more.
Bolt still #1 but I agree with everything else
he still my hero
That was the greatest 100 m during that era. What seems so unfair is that he competed in so many other races before yet no one picked up anything.
Ben was major scapegoat. Really his victory was legitimate as they were all using something. His medal ought to be returned. I seriously question whether anyone has been clean in sprinting for a long time. They all knew what the others were doing....and responded accordingly. He was set up because there is no way that he’d have shown up not pre tested.
No…but you’re right that he losing his medal and Carl Lewis keeping his is a joke.
The winner of this race is Calvin Smith followed by Robson di Silva
@@ManuelFlores-oe2wfand that’s it. No bronze. However I kinda wish Calvin and Robson got juiced up too lol
it was later found that 6 of the 8 sprinters in that race had taken drugs. Ben was a scapegoat.
sport is a big business. big pharma ensures it stays lucrative and cashes in too.
all things being equal, nobody to this day explodes out of the blocks better than Ben and with most everyone on the sauce before and after 88, how many years later did the 9.79 he ran get beat?
nothing against Usain, he is humble and a great sprinter but would lose to Ben in a race if all things being equal.
Seven actually! Only the Brazilian was clean.
Neeraj Tohan Bolt ran a clean 9.58 tbf but maybe if Ben ran in this era he gets a similar & slightly slower time if he runs his fastest.
You believing Bolt is clean is the epitome of why drugs/PED's are still in every top athlete in the sport. It really is not hard to beat the system. All it takes is proper scheduling and a team. The hypocrisy of the sport is so obvious, the best part I always find is not the fact that athletes take it and scapegoats get caught but that people believe someone is still clean.
@@pictureofmyjunk2279 You have no proof Bolt took PEDs lmao, you’re just spewing nonsense, there are guys getting banned today for Weed & Missing tests alone yet you think they wouldn’t expose & suspend an actually drugs cheat, if he was on Drugs he’d have been caught a while back.
@@TheAfricanNightDemon Sure.
I would not have given the medal back
sea como sea para mi verlo correr y gsnar fue algp sensacional en ese tiempo yo era un niño.
Despite the fact there was wide spread doping by the finalist, Johnson destroyed Lewis. Of all the runners, I believe that Lewis cried the loudest because he had some success against Johnson in meets leading up to the Games. In a business where popularity sells, Lewis was a simply a diva.
Lewis was a prick. He couldn't handle Johnson wupping him.
@@bigjimcrinkler7193 Spot on.
The flying fagot was a bad loser.
For me, Ben is still the fastest. Living legend. It was the time when I was and many others became interested in 100m.
I love the doctors comments about how stanozolol doesn't make you run faster. I think what he is trying to say is he wants to clear up the misconception that ben simply popped a pill and immediately ran faster. he says "it allows you to train longer and harder so your better equipped" which hence makes u run faster then you normally would be able to. lol
Not sure about that specific 'roid, but plenty of others do increase muscle size/strength without even training.
Chrisman77 Yeah but what he meant was, Stanozonol isn’t a drug that gives you an instant speed boost, you have to train extremely hard for it to work. It’s not just for Running as well so it isn’t just specific to sprinters, bodybuilders use it as well.
What i can pop a certain roid an not pump iron and have Guns like Arnold im in
@@ernestoneill8321 no you still have to work
haha, it's funny how people always say "well ya still got to put in the work when you take steroids" uhhh, when you're on juice it's fkn fun to put in the work!
or people will say "she did steroids but she didn't need them, she'd still have won"...uh, well why did she risk EVERYTHING by taking them then, to win by a bigger lead? gtfo
I love how the media and the USA made Ben into this monster when your own athletes were cheating as well! So as far as I am concerned, Ben was better than all of them and it was a even playing field!
Are any of them clean
Ben is still the KING
Poor Ben......clearly the scapegoat for the also not so clean Carl Lewis! Politics is a bitch.....
Everyone in that race eventually tested positive for steroids. Everyone.
Calvin Smith and Robson da Silva didn’t
GOAT
They were all on something that day ?
Ben Johnson is still the Greatest !! . . . . That Race was phenomenon.
let them all take whatever they want and see how fast they can go
they already do lol
People have to rethink the difference between drugs/steroids and other competitive edges. Technological advances such as new shoes, training schemes, physio techniques, zero-gravity treadmills, etc basically do the same thing. Help you train harder, keep you more fit and allow you to reach your full potential
When ESPN did a 30 for 30 about Ben Johnson, the dr they interviewed basically said (without saying) that everyone was doping back then. They saved the samples given in 1988 and tested them with updated technology. He refused to say what samples tested positive but it was inferred that Carl Lewis, Flo Jo and everyone else that was on the medal stands had tainted samples. Ben must have taken it to the next level with the needle.
It was the fallout from the Ben Johnson scandal combined with the Breads Not Circuses coalition that cost Toronto their 1996 Olympics bid (we all know who got it).
Donovan Bailey was the only clean gold medalist from 1976 until 2008 (and even then who knows)
No clean gold medalists since 1964 imo
Maurice Greene and Frankie Fredericks?
@@deanhowell5936 not clean. Not a gold medalist
@@Chrisman77 oh you mean Olympics then. Frankie Fredericks won a world championships gold.
@@Chrisman77 Gosh, very well said..At that level they are juiced...
If Bolt had a start like Johnson he would run 9.4
Ben, STILL and will be always be the best in history! And the biggest unfair judgement to an athlete. Now, we know that the big show business and big pharm@ needed a scapegoat. Ben, is one in human history!
Ben, il piu' veloce di tutti
carl think that only him who should use drugs.
Punished for denying, a corporate ego.
Calvin Smith and Di silva shoulda got gold n silver rest were juiced some more than others.
I consider him the best of all time period
Brian Semple Bolt is better but that’s a fair opinion.
Certainly out of the blocks, Ben's reaction time was legendary, within the first 5 metres of his races he's ahead by 1 metre (check the 1987 9.83 race), drugs or not the '88 Olympic final is the most iconic mezmorizing 100m race of all time, in the blocks Ben looked like a panther ready to pounce on his prey,....Usain,...fast as hell but just a tall lanky guy that can run fast that has bad starts because of his height.
Lewis should not have recieved the gold, he was later proved to be on something and he ran out of his lane 3 times,...very questionable Gold,...2 questionable golds actually if you include Flo-jo in her win,....died of heart failure in her 30's, usual symptoms of drug use.
@@ZEUSDAZ Beijing 2008, Berlin 2009 & London 2012 finals for 100M all better
He got banned for two yrs & after the ban was lifted, he tested dirty again.
What a start he had, amazing. Only Bolt could have beaten him
Do the math. Mondo track (Bolt) today, faster than the Seoul red tartan. marginally or much better shoes (?); Johnson easing off, shutting off the engine significantly well before finish, look at the slowmo of the race. Take into account the completely sub-optimal preparation, littered with personal problems, throughout the 1988. season, that took even physicall toll on Johnson, culminating in the injury that season. Adding all that, together with the fact that this was 1988., and not 2012. (2012. with all the advances in sport science and else) and some other elements that I'm rather not going to go into discussing here, and imagine what time Johnson would be REALLY able to run had he ran today and if his career was not take away from him. Remember, he never reached his maximum potential since he was not allowed to continue to compete.
@@argokan #Johnson didn't significantly slow at the line, putting his arm up wouldn't even have cost him a 100th of a second. 9.79 vs 9.58 equates to a huge distance on the track.
He was almost 27 here, and #Bolt was nearly 23 when he set his WR (I looked it up), so I doubt Johnson would've improved much. Not sure this track was slower for the sprinters than they are today - I think it was possibly harder and better for sprinting, but worse for distance runners, but that's hard to judge. But, 1988 was the most iconic race ever.
...Both he and Bolt were on the #PEDs though and were much faster than the other junkies they raced. Human beings are no longer evolving - there's no evolution pressures - so, anyone going
Goatlips I agree with some stuff you have outlined, but have some digressions from a good deal of what it written in your reply.
The "slowdown" in last meters was not all that insignificant. Try to get hold of the book "Speed Trap", written by late Charlie Francis, where he gives a detailed account of those meters in the chapter in the book solely dedicated to this very race.
Regarding the issue of performance enhancement (and not only with the "D" in the end) - things have progressed further then most of us know - that I have been informed of.
Can't go into detail here, but what I have heard was nothing short of mind-boggling, and it was far from one thing, or singular progressions in sport science or research.
The track in 1988. vs . the modern tracks, and even the shoes (to some degree) have to be accounted for in the context here, as well as the completely sub-optimal (to say the least) preparations for the OG 1988. - Jonhson got injured a whole lot earlier, and there were other things playing into very worrying 1988. season he had, prior to olympics. Well described in Francis' book.
yay nay Ben Johnson isn’t besting Bolt today, sorry man. You can’t use the track type excuse. There’s no way he’s running faster than a 9.58.
@@TheAfricanNightDemon tracks are faster in recent years.
Give it a rest John Barnes. Everyone considers him Canadian.
Calvin Smith was the only clean athlete in that final and so should rightly feel robbed.
gakaface There was 1 other clean athlete as well.
Carl Lewis Is an american shame
Why bro?
In the first ten yards he was 5 yards up? Hmmmm. John Barnes really doesn't know what he is talking about
Organise a competition where drugs are allowed and let's see how fast a human being can really run... I'd like to see someone who's using everything possible under the sun and let's see how quick he can go
Carl Lewis was so jelous of ben johnson to me he reported the fact of he may bin taking steroids why chase after him ?
the problem with Ben was he was shit when he came back. i loved the guy and prayed he do it again bit he was way out. That killed me
He was poor when he came back because he was 31-32
years old for one thing. If you research his story his main helper over his career Charlie Francis was gone as was his doctor Jamie astaphan his entourage was well and truly gone. He was alone and trying to do it clean after a few years absence from the sport it simply wasn't possible. Now if he was American number 1 he would not have been caught. The yanks have a serial cheat Gatlin still running his best at 37 after 2 bans for drugs its not possible he's a filthy cheat. It's a dirty game Johnson was definitely a scapegoat for all the others.
Bullet Bob Hayes greatest sprinter of all and he ran on a cinder track and never ran again after age 21 because the Dallas Cowboys had drafted him to play football! Track guys don't hit their peak until the ages of 24-28!...
Tony Conner Bob Hayes is nowhere near the greatest of all time.
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Of course he is and he was not on PED's either!....
Tony Conner Bolt would smoke him, he wouldn’t even be top 10 in bolts era. Gay, Gatlin, Blake, Thompson, Bailey, Powell, Carter, Coleman & more are faster (Coleman is only getting faster as he’s still young)
Tony Conner But I’ll give you the fact that he ran in an old era and got a 9.9 before leaving for football tbf, I’m doing my research and he seems like a beast😱
@@TheAfricanNightDemon
Bullet Bob was running on cinder tracks, I don't know if you have ever seen one but it's similar to running on gravel. He ran a 9.9. on loose dirt if Usain Bolt had run on this his world record would not be 9.58 and if Bullet Bob had ran on tartan tracks his record would be a lot lower than 9.9!....
Every time Hayes would run he would beat every one by 5-7 yards and be pulling away! He walked away from track at the tender age of 21. Bolt was 23 when set the record of 9.58. Bob Hayes to this day holds the record for the 70 yard dash and still running on a cinder track, he also is 2nd all time 60 meters!...
So tell me again he is not even close to the greatest of all time!...
Read below Bruh!...
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Hayes
stanozolol doesn't make you run faster.it allows you to train longer and harder so your better equipped" which hence makes u run faster then you normally would be able to.
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I think everybody took something to run like this
Hope you can back that up
He broke the rules. period.
And got what he deserved.
The present generation don't even know who he is....thankfully.
Everyone on drugs
He possibly ended up as a whipping boy,albeit he
was caught on doping again when he was back after the suspension.
So,a bad boy or just a weak canadian athletic federation ? It's renowned his opponents were allegedly cheating as well,some of them were admittedly taking forbidden substances in those days...So then,was there any chance for Johnson to challenge Lewis Christie and the other fellows with a mere hard training ?
Lewis was a snitch
Ben would have won regardless of the dopeing it sure would of been aweful close the steriods also gave him the confidence you could just see it
He chea to the maximum! No respects for him + no salut! And him complains that his back to be "Jamaican" after his cheat, is nothing different to Andy Murry of tennis when he win is "British", when he loose is beck to be "Scottish"
We all know if he had not beaten usa golden man lewis, johnson would not of been caught.
You all know it.
Usa, and uk athletes have the advantage knowing when they will be tested.
Do you think people like johnson were dumb enough to do this?
The law in sports is also applied by humans, meaning most people get away with wrong doing, and some are picked out.
Sport is run by politics, and no one at top level sports like this, is not cheating.
Linford…. The King of GH,,, pot kettle :-)
just didn't happen... :D
bolt is also a cheater but cudnt caught unfortunately like marion jones untill he himself confesses the truth
delete ben jhonson vid from this coz big cheater dont deserve negative fame also he isthrash
ben complains as if he's being singled out, but the guy cheated, then lied and lied, then did steroids and got caught AGAIN!
how many more chances do you think you should get?
Cheating bum.
Ben was the man,period.
GOAT