If you couldn’t get hurt, you would never learn how to fight
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- Опубліковано 21 вер 2024
- What if fighters could instantly heal from injuries? What if they had no fear of damage to their bodies or potential death? Would we see next level martial arts of two completely untrained individuals were given this power and then spent a few years sparring each other?
Well here’s my question: what would be their motivation to learn how to fight, let alone fight well, in the first place?
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"It's tough to get out of bed to do roadwork at 5am when you're sleeping in silk pyjamas."
-Marvin Hagler
This is the man you were referring to.
"The road to Hell and Damnation is comfortable." - Ramsey Dewey
Can't wait to pass that one on! It applies to so much. Even for the non-religious.
This also ties in beautifully to the statement, "the road to hell is paved with good intentions"
It is like "the dark side is fast and easy" from Star Wars
I was sparring last night against karate people and they were in their early 20s and I am 38. They asked me how at my age I could slip and block strikes like I do. I told them, two decades of bloody noses, sore jaws, a damaged rib, countless times of getting the wind knocked out of me, and endless bruises will make you learn. Pain is the best teacher however it's better to learn from other's pain.
Hahaha! I love how dudes in their 20’s think 38 is old! Every other 20 something guy I know thinks he’s going to end up crippled or needing hormone replacement therapy by age 30. What happened to young men, man?
@@RamseyDewey at 30 I was just hitting my stride. As a fighter I had just discovered grappling and boxing.
I’m at my peak and 39 years old. I am the strongest and fastest I’ve ever been. I think the pros take so much damage in their 20’s people believe athletes are past their prime by 30. Truthfully you can improve even at 40 but Father Time does win eventually
I’ve had people ask me how did I get such amazing hand speed, and my answer has been that I got tired of having bruises after each match.
Nah, you don’t
More like cramps 😂
All the times I've had my nose busted, my eyebrow split, or my concussions . . . Valuable lessons.
That stuff changes you.
Pain during structured training, not ill-discipline is an excellent teacher. Got swept, kicked in the head during light sparring sessions in Muay Thai. Determined to have that happen to me less. 🙏🏼
I really am of the idea that showing someone what could have happened is better than making the actual thing happen,for example getting so close to someone ´ s key body parts but never touching them or lightly hitting them,like a tap and be like « see right here,if you was in a real fight your kidney would be screaming slurs 😂 »instead of actually annihilating his kidney
I think in this particular scenario, the fights would become more gnarly, and visceral. Morbo alone can make people watch them even more.
And remember, the machine heals but only after you experienced all the pain and the trauma during the fights.
You still have to end the fights. Someone could fight with a broken arm, elbows, whatever, for as long as posible, and would not be worth the time of the show if he tapped out.
And also mortality is still a thing that could happen.
Pain is still a thing.
Shock.
Sudden death cannot be avoided with it.Just injuries and sickness.
I even think that sharpened weapon based fighting would work for those reckless enough yo try it.
What a posibly brutal scenario for combat sports 😬
If fighters could instantly heal, then we'd see a lot more reckless moves. People wouldn't bother with technique, it'll just be a matter of wailing on the other person. Or maybe there'd be more emphasis on restraining them (with no regard for injuries on either side).
Aristotle said, " we do not learn without pain".
Pain is the only thing that will force you to change.
I sprained my own toe while simply repositioning myself on side control, I just stepped too hard while tip-toeing. It's been sore for three weeks now and affecting my training quality. I feel very sad.
Anyway it's interesting that Wolverine's super healing means like he fights like a berserker in many depictions.
But his question was not that they wouldn't take any damage, just that they would heal completely afterwards. The fighters would still feel pain and be injured during the ordeal...
You always hear about risk vs reward but never reward relative to risk.
It is like those Kudo helmets, except that those Kudo helmets only gives you seemingly protection and leaves you with braindamage.
I don't think that just because there is no risk there would also not be interest in the activity, videogame competitions are the closest thing to that hypothetical situation and people have different skill gap that can decrease or increase depending on how you practice. E-sports are also the proof that people are willing to watch them.
Training under those conditions might just create an unusably reckless style. Nothing was said about a lack of pain so there is still motivation to win each round
Pain is an excellent teacher, in anything you would learn.
I got a wicked big bruise on my forearm two mondays ago at karate in a modified kumite. What bothers me is I can't remember exactly what caused it. I remember I tried to grab/parried a kick with my hand and that hurt, and I didn't back away, move my arm, and brace/tuck my stomach in on another kick and it stung my hand a bit and the person asked if I was fine, it was literally nothing. But the bruise on my forearm, no fking idea! I really wish I knew/remembered because that was clearly a lesson that I didn't get compared to those other two, which left no marks or lasting pain or injury.
As an aside using a fictional story; Deadpool had a teleportation belt that he got rid of because "it made it too easy" for him. Complete regeneration/immortality and unlimited dimensional movement made combat quite boring.
When I played online First Person Shooters a lot from teens to late twenties I would always make it my goal to survive and not die. People always claimed I was a K/D ratio monkey, but that wasn't the point. If people got in the way of my player's survival they'd die or I'd flee before being killed, my life and survival was the whole point to me. It would be a bit different in FPS's with objectives, but if my death would make a difference to the objective or victory I'd die for the cause. However sometimes my survival would make more difference than winning the objective right then, and lead to later victory.
That elbow must have opened your third eye
love your channel
If you’re referring to the cut above my eye in the thumbnail, that was from a headbutt.
Clever ad placement
Thanks Ramsey!
"Reward is relative to risk," ABSOLUTELY!
"I know when I see wisdom that it was forged on the anvil of suffering."
If I could heal instantly, I could be a lot more careful with the people who can't.
Great video!
I'm a performer so I would love this.
Of course I want my fight to work, that means it must "able do some damage" when in practical situation.
I've bled or gotten scratched several times. Broke a big toe. A trachea crack was uncomfortable (I tilted my chin up when I pulled back). Right now I'm still suffering from a complete ligament tear in my ankle from 6 months ago. Hopefully I'll get all better and look on it beneficially like I have my other injuries.
Fear is the best weapon to have in a fight.
Catching an elbow to the eye piece is a pain. Literally…..
Ramsey could it be true that being committed to boxing is more important for boxing than actually having an optimal training routine? because I’ve heard of so many championships getting up at 3 am to run, despite the fact that in theory they should preform better if they just slept some more instead of running 5 FRICKING MILES OF HELL and I definitely don’t think that you need to do that to be mentally tough
Concerning your closing point that it would get boring, I don't think that this is going to necessarily be the case because non combat sports, where the risk is much lower, are also widely popular and some people dedicate large parts of their lifes to those sports.
We fight... for Sparta!!! XD
But the idea of people asking why do you fight reminds me of Ryu from Streetfighter. Why does he fight? To find an answer. Is he strong enough to overcome his own challenges. That's how I look at fights. Are you able to overcome struggles life will bring. It's a test of one's own mind, body, and spirit.
Crazy risks without consequences are no longer risks.
People fought and died in medieval tourneys with blunted weapons, so yeah pretty much as dangerous if not more dangerous than hand to hand fighting
Not what we’re talking about
In weapon fighting, without "realistic" rules that ensure competitors respect hits, armored competitors just wail on each other unrealistically. Or if they're only wearing helmets, they start prioritizing body shots to hurt the opponents and just tank the head shots due to the helmets.
Getting used to being injured and breaking immediately sounds like a very destructive way to fight, no concern with longevity means you won't mind getting your bones broken. If you take away the machine then you become a liability.
Ramsey, just a quick question mate. I was wondering what your opinion on Kudo is. In the UK it's starting to get very popular with very good martial artists who I've had the pleasure of training with and learning from. I was wondering what your opinions/experience of it is. Cheers👊.
I answered that question about Kudo four or five years ago in another video. I have never met any practitioners of the sport. I looked up some videos and gave some opinions. The Kudo competitions I saw looked very amateurish, and the competitors seemed to rely an awful lot on their helmets, which is a terrible habit to get into for fighting.
@@RamseyDewey ah gotcha, will try and look up the video, thanks for the response
@@makenjikarate Rokas from Martial Arts Journal recently did a video on Kudo.
Good channel
muy buena pregunta maestro
If we were to have the ability to heal instantaneously after participating in full-contact sports or even war, it would really get boring. I would call this the Strongest Being Dilemma, wherein you have all the capabilities beating any opponent that stands in your way but ends up getting annoyed or bored from not having a foe that stands up to your standards. You will see this in all forms of media, especially in anime. Nosferatu Zodd in Berserk, Thorkell in Vinland Saga, Yujiro Hanma in Grappler Baki, Kratos from God of War (although he was cursed to be an immortal for his sins against the Greek pantheon) and so on. Nobody will stand up to your strength standards that you end up being lonely and bored from the lack of the "thrill" and "risk" you mentioned in this video.
I dont see why people think that needless suffering is necessary to improve yourself spiritually. You dont need to be crippled to have fulfillment as a human being, we just tell ourselves that because we have no choice. Challenge is necessary, suffering isnt.
Ted Kaczynski said that human beings need to have goals that require effort to go through the power process. This is true, we are animals that are programmed to survive!
I respect Ramseys choice to be religious, but as an atheist I often see a sort of "pro suffering"? mindset from religious folk because their worldview is 1. You have original sin 2. Any and all suffering you experience is a consequence of your sinful immutable nature/evil 3. Its your job to bear your cross and accept your hardships for "glory".
Seeking out challenge to improve yourself or something else is great, but we should always remember that suffering is NEVER a good thing, we as humans just make the best of a bad situation because thats what we as a species are built to do. I cant see how losing a child or cancer is an experience that we need to be having, seems like we just have no choice in the matter.
1. Original sin is an evil and false doctrine. Man will be punished for their own sins and not for Adam’s transgression. Otherwise God would not be just.
2. Suffering as a consequence of sinful immutable nature is also an evil, satanic, false doctrine. Jesus himself refuted this silly idea.
3. The “I can make it on my own” idea you have presented there is also a satanic false doctrine.
Matthew 11:28-30 here’s what Jesus actually taught: “unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.”
You don’t bear the cross, Jesus already did.
Now, as for your premise about “unnecessary suffering”, you have taken it as a forgone conclusion that suffering is unnecessary. The real forgone conclusion is that suffering is inevitable. How you deal with it will determine what manner of man you become.
I look forward to watching this later, the title is really interesting 😊
Hey, Ramsey. Have you ever heard of this anime called Ashita No Joe/Tomorrow's Joe? It's incredible. It's about an orphaned brawler named Joe, and he's picked up by a boxing coach to become the best boxer ever. It's a lot more different from other sports anime or just shows or movies, because it talks about brain damage and CTE and injuries, everything like that. One boxer even accidentally got his opponent killed, which gave him severe PTSD. I think you'd like it. I want your opinion on what you think of the premise.
Appreciate that. Now I gotta new anime to watch👌 I think the last fighting one I was watching was Baki both seasons. The first one funny AF. The second is more like getting lessons for MMA
I have not heard about it, sorry.
@@RamseyDewey
I feel like you'd like it. It shows the reality and consequences of boxing.
Sounds like a variation of fencing
Research has shown that feedback is needed to learn, not just repetition by itself. In fighting, one form of feedback is pain, and another is whether you won or lost. If you take out mortality, then you remove the motivation to avoid damage, and thereby make feedback much more difficult. You could artificially reinstate it by structuring a rule set around damage, taken, but it's hard to see how this would no simply become a point-sparing system. Thus, you may be able to get really good at point sparing, but this is not the same as being really good at fighting. I am not familiar with the weapons fighting you referred to in your video, but I would assume that this is the reason why it went the way it did. The artificiality basically turns it into a game.
That all depends, but no majority of people likely would never train if that was the case. Oddly enough tho avoiding being hurt was never really in my reasons for doing martial arts. Not getting hurt is a point stressed within martial arts tho, for obvious reasons lol. And if I'm being honest, from personal experience martial arts are even better for recovering from an injury than for avoiding one.
Ouch!
Sport karate should not be underestimated. I was sparing with the 7th Dan Sensei and He punched me in the face. I walked into it. And I cried. Then the Sensei gave me a lollipop 🍭 and read me a bed time story and made me warm soup 🍲 😂😂😂🤪🤪
Your voice is so cinematic.
I liked the disamina (toughtful as always!), but I disagree... I mean, everyday people fight in a scenario where there is no pain, no definitive death and founds it funny and motivating enough to keep going: I am talking about videogames, obviously. If we took away also pain, it would just be a in-person videogame and I think people would just keep doing it because is fun. Also, it looks a lot like Valhalla... I'd like that! XD
Also it helps to develop gameness and pain threshold.
Risk or reward. If you do not have to try you will never know what life is really about. It's about the highs and more so the lows. The lows are what make the highs so worth it.
There is a fine line between training with pain and receiving brain damage and other permanent health problems. In 40 years your recovery and tolerance level won't be the same as now. Do you plan to tank face punches and roundhouse kicks at 60 years old?
I’ll be pushing 85 in 40 years! Why are you talking about pain?
Dragon Ball is a really fun series,but when senzu beans heal all wounds and completely restore one's stamina, and the Balls themselves can bring whole groups of people back from the dead, there's not a lot of tension or dramatic weight. Which wasn't the point of the show until it tried to get super serious and suffered for it.
Also, props to you, Coach, for pulling out the idea of felix culpa, the fortunate fall. I'm a fan of that interpretation of the story of the first parents, as well.
Its a comedy
The trunks past movie is dark. And some of the other movies too because they arent canon.
@@spontaneousbootay Certainly started out as one, with humorous homages to 70s martial arts films and goofy fantasy elements. But by King Piccolo at the latest, Toriyama was already going dark and serious at times, with different levels of intensity and success. And the mix was always present. I mean, the Cell Games brought us Mr. Satan, for goodness' sake. But I think the fan community really pushed Dragon Ball toward being the action drama so many (I'll put my hand up here, too) wanted it to be.
If you got used to fighting with access to healing, then real fighting where you might not have access to the healing you might make horrible choices and habits that get you killed.
Precisely.
Wasn't the silk sheets line by Marvelous Marvin?
Marvin marvelous hagler said that! One of my favourites boxer, really cool footwork, tough as nails and relentless pressure, i invite you to watch the modern martial artist channel breakdown of his style, very toughtful and interesting.
I don’t think healing technology would make fights less boring. It isn’t like the fights would be reduced to padded point sparring.
In my opinion the only way to learn to fight is to spar with an intensity of 7 out of 10
Only with willing participants of course
They would name a Marvel Comic after me
Marvin Hagler on the off chance no one mentioned it.
Context matters and when you change the context of how you train and fight you change how you train and fight by itself, it'd no longer the martial arts as you know. Not to mention that the mortal and vulnerable human audiences will no longer be related to the fighters they are watching because fighter athletes are already so above normal human physically but if the can heal their wound within hours they are no longer relatable to human.
@@didjitalone9544 Isn't it in the movie Elysium where only at the end of the movie normal people get access to the body reconstruction machines?
I would use that question on a psychopathic questionnaire. If yes, one more point on that scale. If you couldn't die. Would you kill?
how do all? the north queensland cowboys, [ 3 tries in 2min 41 sec incl 2 conversions against sea eagles 2022 ], had a past front rower who had to get painkilling injections into his busted shoulder every week of the rugby league season. i still dont think fair. taztez.
This is from 3 weeks ago?
damn felt like this was a video made in 2008 or so XD
You should watch my videos from 2008.
Nice Mormon doctrine thrown in there haha
Yeah, it would be as boring as Wolverine VS Deadpool... what? not boring? Hmmm... LOL
whats the name of the movie? Thanks in advance
Sounds like Ramsey doesn’t like the idea of heaven, Hell will be a more fun place. But the idea of fighting without consequences goes against the idea of point fighting which was popular at one time, dominated by Chuck Norris.
What video did you just watch to come to that conclusion?
Before watching tough : Humm ... humm... just yesterday I Hurt someone ripping his skins off cuz i dont know how to fight so instead of controlling without strengh I use too much strengh.
I think it were pretty much pleasure in paradise..
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Wouldn't UFC with weapons be HEMA, Kung-Fu, or Kenjutsu and others? There's also a medieval competition called M-1 Medieval.
Hello Ramsey..
About arm triangle, there was fight recently in ufc, between makhachev vs Oliveira. Makhachev Submitted Oliveira in round 2, but I still dont understand about that technic, is it really as dangerously as other chokes like RNC or leg triangle. Hope you can break it down for us, thankyou verymuch
Hey, coach. I have a question. I'm a kid who does Taekwondo and I really love it, but it would be great if I could learn to grapple and punch. However I don't have an MMA gym near me or any other gyms for wrestling or boxing, and I don't have a ton of money for online classes. What should I do?
THE DR CALLS IT REGENERARION
7:00 I think that's a very flawed argument. And the only way to know if we wouldn't have any motivation to do stuff if we had no negative consequences is to actually put us in a long experiment where these conditions are possible. Until then, no booksmart article will be definitive. It's like when the Europeans in the 17th, 18th and 19th centuries came up with a lot of axioms on "savages" in order to justify their logic. Only for us to find out in the last 100 years that 99% of those assumptions were just the easiest way to justify their actions and point of view.
We’re all in the long experiment right now, dude!
@@RamseyDewey Why? You mean *a* long experiment or *the* long experiment you mention in the video? As far as I can see, we do have consequences to our actions, both good and bad.
I like your thinking but have to disagree on this one.
In regards to the weapons fights you can definitely get hurt with blunt weapons and armor.
If you get hit hard in the head even with a helmet on you can get brain damage, just as gloves and headgear don’t prevent brain damage.
The helmet decreases the risk of fractures and cuts but you can still get concussed even through the helmet helps a bit.
I think its not successful because historical weapons would mostly be interesting for people already into history and HEMA but the blunt weapons in a MMA context completely change the way the weapons work so it’s way less interesting.
And in regards to this question, you would still get hurt, you would just heal really quickly. I don’t see people complaining that someones injury healed too quick and therefore the fight isn’t interesting anymore.
The injuries would still be gruesome and interesting, they would just be healed the next day.
No, we’re not talking about HEMA sparring with blunted weapons and metal armor. The promotion I spoke of was something very different with close to zero risk of injury.
@@RamseyDewey I know you didn’t mean HEMA, I thought you meant the thing where two guys smash each other with blunted weapons in a boxing ring or a cage. But if this specific promotion you mean uses some special armour that eliminates injury almost completely than you would have a point.
I would still expect that part of the reason it didn’t catch on is that the average person isn’t as interested in weapons fighting as in unarmed martial arts and the people who are into weapons and HEMA would find it too much like a brawl with metal pipes rather then a skilful duel. A sword with no edge is not really a sword anymore and the technique would be very different to what a historical duel would look like.
Thank you for your answer, it’s always nice to get a reply.
Osu!
Well if you can’t get hurt you need to learn to fight 😅
Well what ef thei do not have food unless they win and the more thei win the betcher the food
How did you get that brow cut? Clash of heads? Getting in the car? The robot cats? You forgot to close the cupboard door?
The one in the thumbnail? A headbutt from a spazzy white belt in jiu-jitsu class. It was a gusher.
@@RamseyDewey the sporadic head bobbers
Games with infinite health gets boring real fast.
Marvin Hagler said that
Want the juice, get used to the squeeze. Most truths aren’t pretty.
E: that was Harley Morenstein (of ‘trained by Sam Hyde” fame), most recently, Coach
I thought this was an Andrew Tate video xD
Wasn't Samsom effectively imvincible and impossible to kill in combat, massacring an entire Phillistine army using only the jawbone of a donkey. He also killed lion with his bare hands in combat. A man who destroys armys and kills lions with his bare hands would have nothing to fear from any type of combat sport.
Basically yep. And you’ll also notice that as soon as Samson lost his powers, he was absolutely helpless in a fight.
Hagler
You're wrong khabib never bleed and never lost a round
Only thing I'll say is you DEFINITELY get a lot of bruises in armor fighting haha.
Even a half speed blow from a rubber headed halberd with hip rotation I've seen people knocked down. And hand injuries, man.
You'll know whose sparred against guys who try to beat the hell out of you by who keeps their hands tight to their body haha. It's one thing to get hit in a sparring bout and move on, another to not be able to use your thumb for a month even through a gauntlet.
Nice sermon, but I don't think no injuries fighting is comparable to the garden of eden. People do sports with no risk of physical injury and dedicate their lifes to them, for example chess.
Chess is a sport?
@@RamseyDewey The International Olympic Committee (through ARISF) recognises both chess and bridge as bona fide sports, and SportAccord, the international sports federation association, recognises five non-physical sports: bridge, chess, draughts (checkers), Go and xiangqi,[4][5] and limits the number of mind games which can be admitted as sports.[1]
@@bartniem9 I strongly suspect those committees were formed by the kids who got stuffed into lockers by the jocks back in the 1980’s.
personally i prefer the god of gabor mate over that of Jordan Peterson, But regarding the creation myth:, the Apple afaik represents knowledge because it came from the tree of knowledge, I personally think it relates to the story, because the few seekers of knowledge who invented or adapted this story were obviously so afraid of the scary vastness of living conscoiusly outside of the idea of the paradise of unconsciousness, that they reformed the story into turning their followers away from knowledge, away from seeking. but lucifer is the lightbringer, jesus is bar abas, the snake is god, the duality is inherent to the story. You must consume from the tree of knowledge and thus eat the apple, you must follow the snake because it represents the horizon, the separation of heaven and earth and the stream of life towards the horizon ending in your death In fact, the snake was in the story before god even had a name. And it has been in this story long before the story was remixed into the overproduced but incomprehensible bootleg it is today. embrace your mortality and share it with others.
The Greeks invented grappling and wrestling for that reason alone to be able to battle each other without harming each other and the next time creating and getting better at it.
This is the answer to his question.
The Greeks have all the answers 🥱
It’s been a while since we got a history lesson from the Greeks on this channel!
@@RamseyDewey ha ha ha 🤣 👍 it's been a while since I got everyone's blood boiling.
@shoneast6880 the world was aborigines and then you had the Greeks .show me a group of aborigines from anywhere around the world which there is a lot. Show me one group that knows how to technically strike and do submissions.
They have no idea about fighting.
Fighting is a European creation, mainly Greek. The Greeks invented all types of striking styles and submissions.
Only a scientific based mind can create acrobatic striking submissions. Understand the importance of micro fracturing your bones. All this came from the Greeks.
Only a science-based society can create and invent
Fighting was created for protection..
Most aborigines just live peaceful lives.
@shoneast6880 If you're going to refer to the biblical stuff that came thousands of years after the Greeks, that doesn't really make any sense.
These religions you're referring to are biblical written fairy tales created by the greatest liars punished by God.
The true religion of this planet is the 12 God's ideology . This is what the current religions are trying to replicate which was written by the greatest liars that have ever existed and have put that they are the chosen ones.
You see the. The only chosen if they really truly ever was a chosen people. It's only the Greeks. The Greeks were chosen by the gods and given the knowledge to move humanity forward.
All invention on this planet is Greek.. The God's gifted the Greeks clearly and that's why they were considered the people of the gods and the Greek language. God's language.
The Greeks didn't say they were gods. They proved it with their incredible ingenuity invention and creation.
What have these current religions given the world that these rabbis have written?
Only thing you get from these religions is division, war and racism
Show me one good thing or anything at that that these current religions have given the planet
Now I repeat myself again. All information on this planet was given to the Greeks by the gods. That's how humanity managed to move forward and reach where we are today.
These current religions have given us absolutely nothing. They were just created by the greatest liars to try and replicate what the Greek is to this planet.
The only religion of this planet is the 12 God Greek ideology and the Only people of God are the Greeks That 100% fact and truth.
I guess it was Mike Tyson.
I agree with the general message of the video but disagree with your interpretation of the fall. In the garden they had to worry about a single super commandment their obedience and will to avoid temptation from that promising succulent tree and hypnotising snake throughout the years would forge their resilience and worthyness of eternal life. But fallowing that single commandment proved unbearable and eve fell and Eve was the one tool the snake needed to pry open Adam's resilience and she took him with him. The weight of that super commandment on their shoulders was no little opponent and it ended up breaking them up and breaking their back. The reason why christians believe God wished them the stay true and faithful to his super commandment is because it is backed by the new testament saints in scripture. One commandment became 10 and then one again on the bases of the ten.
Are you telling me that Adam and Eve could have saved and exalted themselves into eternal life by simply not eating the fruit for a certain number of years? How many years specifically? That’s some extra biblical content man!
God gave them 2 commandments in the garden of Eden: #1. Multiply and replenish the Earth (which they were unable to do until after the fall of Adam when God decreed to Eve that she would bare children as a consequence) and #2 don’t eat the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil (which would bring about mortality, death, and the ability to know good from evil- meaning prior to this, they had no ability to discern between right and wrong and therefore no accountability for their actions, otherwise God would be unjust- and an unjust god would cease to be God.)
The popular narrative that the devil had the power to thwart the work of God is a lie. The almighty who knows the end from the beginning had it all planned out, my friend.
@@RamseyDewey yes. How many people do you know have the will to restrain themselves year after year decade after decade when they could just extend their hand and take unlimited power from someone that has been unjustly keeping that power from them and mistreating them. That was the snake's retoric and they decided to believe the snake instead of God. Eve decided to empower herself and take what was rightfully hers. Or so she thought. Very similar situation to what's going on right now. Satan operates quite predictibly after a while. He certainly doesn't have the power to impede the will of God but he does have the power to change the journey to it by manipulating our free will. Adam and eve had free will and so the ability to change the course of their lives and God's will cannot limit OUR free will otherwise we cannot be co-authors of our own salvation therefore our salvation would have no merit. It wouldn't be OUR salvation. God would just be picking and choosing who is saved and who is dammed. At the end the choice is ours.
Nowhere in the bible says that they couldn't have children before the fall. Eve's punishment after the fall was: She'd always need a man and she'd submit to him since she caused the fall of Adam and she'd give birth WITH PAIN. Before she gave birth with no pain but now she'd suffer in each birth and so her decendance and so women would be sanctified by materny like st Paul says in the new testament.
Regarding the amount of years they'd have to suffer the torments of the snake and the tree would be God's decision when he would be certain the tree and the snake could not test Them any longer. When it no longer challenged them enough and were fortified and showered with enough graces and God was certain additional time would not make them fall but just keep strengthening their will. That would be the right time. Only God could see that and decide that based on their behaviour. They clearly failed. They just couldn't handle the task.
I disagree. Here is why:
There is a difference between taking permanent damage and feeling pain. All the instincts and pain derived from losing would still be present in said training, giving the stimulus would be similar to those present in the natural environment. A real life example of a martial art that doesn't hurt its practitioners when trained to the limits is BJJ. Its superiority has been proven. I infer that much of that superiority comes from the ability of practitioner to test its limits without risking their health and being able to repeat the high performance states of the art as much as they want. I also bet a training machine in the shape that was proposed would be adopted by all professional athletes immediately. You can argue that they would not give 100% in these machines since the stakes would be much lower (all the health would come back easily), but there would still be stakes. The pain from the experience, the social prestige that comes from winning or losing etc. Also, one advantage of the machines would be that of having fighters much more relaxed, more reliant on rationality over fear, since they know they can keep on living if they dare taking severe damage for a move and miss.
Finally, in regards of how boring you think it would be, consider this: There are many virtual games with millions of daily players that are far less risky than said machine would be. It didn't stop the players from coming back. Would like to see an answer to these points in a video. Thanks for reading if you did.
We’re not talking. About people being willing to participate. It’s a discussion about people being willing to watch. BJJ will never have the drawing power of boxing and MMA specifically because of these reasons. Practitioners of jiu-jitsu will never stop needing out about how cool grappling is as we hone our skills to squash each other- but at the end of the day, the only people attending BJJ tournaments are other BJJ practitioners. Even so, grappling isn’t a zero risk game- especially when you’ve been doing it for two decades as I have. Over time, it will ravage your body. But look man, old dudes in the Masters 5 division with jiu-jitsu knuckle and torn ligaments aren’t as exciting as young men knocking each other out. One doesn’t sell, the other does.
A talking snake , why didn't they run like hell
Dude, I always wanted to talk to snakes when I was a kid, didn’t you? Who wouldn’t want to have a conversation with a western reticulated python? That would rule!
@@RamseyDewey oh bloody great Ramsey Dolittle
@@RamseyDewey we didn't have snakes in Chicago when I was a kid
@@stevejuszczak9402 Snakes we’re a predominant indigenous life form where I grew up. Garter snakes, four kinds of rattle snakes, corn snakes, gopher snakes, night snakes, whip snakes, rubber boas, ring necked snakes, long nosed snakes, western ground snakes, eastern racers… good times… except that time when a huge snake I brought home escaped and got into the bathtub when my mom was using it. She wasn’t very happy about that.
I’m disappointed that the autocorrect function on my phone changed “were” to “we’re”. I refuse to edit it.
real nwords just ignore pain. no need drugs needed when you get callouses in the brain to pain. this is the logical conclusion of the streets
Pain doesn’t even register during a fight. Pain ≠ injury. If you’re in pain, your fine, if your body is broken and unable to function, you’re not fine.
@@RamseyDewey I don't separate pain from injury. in the skreets it's no different, an excuse.
You still alive Ramsey?
What kind of question is that?
Gonna have to disagree hard with the theology in this video.
Why?
@@RamseyDewey I'm gonna try for a succinct and respectful explanation. Wish me luck.
On reviewing the video, I think I'm still just stuck on how you mean the exit from the garden was a good thing. If it comes with explicitly chastising and punishment from the Almighty particularly with the pain of the grave, then the crime committed cannot be good.
If I break a law, get arrested, go to court and become imprisoned then I don't consider myself as having discovered something more worthwhile inside the cell.
@@Malygosblues why do you think the consequences the Adam and Eve’s transgression were punishments? Specifically, (1) they became mortal, thus needing Christ to save them from death (2) they were given the power to choose for themselves between good and evil, wether they would follow God or not (this needing Christ to save them from sin) (3) they were given the ability to have children.
In the garden they were given 2 paradoxical commandments: multiply and replenish the earth (which they could not until after they were expelled from the garden) and do not eat of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, which was asking 2 beings who had no concept of good or evil to make a moral decision (which is something either Adam nor Eve were even capable of until after they graduated from the garden)
God’s plan wasn’t for 2 people to dwell in limbo for eternity- it was to provide all of his children with opportunities to become like him by overcoming the two obstacles that prevent us from being like God: death and sin. If neither of those things are on the table in the first place there’s no point to creation.
dont u wish real human gladiators back? xd but not as slaves, more like mutual agreement...
I do not wish for that.