I much appreciate how this is phrased in a way where even someone with 0 DB knowledge can follow along fine. I look forward to seeing the lesser 14 placements get ripped to shreds.
Its rare we get to see this kind of deep dive on Dragonball GT of all shows. For all the show's faults this video can at least attest to why Baby, if nobody else, deserves some real praise for being a genuinely interesting concept and execution for a Dragonball villain. And, well, while there's a few other decent choices, its fascinating how fast the show falls off a cliff in that regard, you've pretty much run out of nice things to say by #9 and #10 and we've got 14 more to go. Can't wait to see those 14 rejects in more detail, particularly Super 17 and Dr. Myuu as they're the only ones I have any knowledge on.
Never watched Dragon Ball GT aside from a very few episodes, and yeah, what I hear about it the most in terms of positives is that Baby apparently was a high point.
We never get a deep dive because people overbloat tiny parts of the show and praise them more than Z and then drag Super in the mud. GT fans don't really watch GT.
Tuffles were introduced in Dragon Ball Z, when King Kai told Goku about the Saiyan’s history. The Tuffles even were reused in the video game and OVA "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans", which I’m fairly sure predates GT.
And that’s before getting to ANY of the villains from the Black-Star DragonBall arc, half of the Shadow Dragons, the revived villains, or Super Android 17. Says a lot indeed.
Good lord Haze was such a missed opportunity, From the powers to the personality so much more could have been applied to him even in the short frame of time he was a character. The exaggerated expressions and goofy nature could have been an act rather than poor character design used as a cover to lull his opponents into a false sense of security before changing face as soon as he weakened his foes. The transition from a c tier threat to someone who holds your life in their hands could have been utilized in such a good way. But how would they beat him once he got the upper hand? well If it were me I would have written it so that haze barely has any power beyond that of a grizzly bear, causing him to rely solely on his power and then had goku rely on nothing but human-level martial arts and skill alone to try and best him, it would make it a far more interesting fight.
You can really tell they wanted each early Shadow Dragon to have their own gimmick, but either had literally no time to give them more screen time, or come up with a reasonable way to counter their gimmick so they just have them be very easily defeated by plot or just dumb luck.
Yeah, the resolution to the episodic Shadow Dragons are all very weak. I just wanted to post to tell you your comment on the other video seems to have been autodeleted by UA-cam for whatever reason.
Welcome to the grand tour. The grand tour of going to different planets in space,then seeing old enemies return,then seeing past mistakes gave future enemies followed by seeing old friends one last time then you fly up into the sky.
I think the idea behind Suguoro, and his sons', true appearance is that they're space tanuki. Tanuki in general being mischievous shape-shifting trickster spirits.
Goku getting knocked out of SS4 because Rage Shenron threw on attack at him was so lazy. We saw him take far more of a beating against Syn and Omega Shenron without getting knocked back to his base form.
It is laughably inconsistent with what forms beat and are beaten by. Based on that scene (and his stupid method of defeat) he's one of the canonically strongest characters if GT is allowed, which was blatantly not intentional.
@@VillainousWarlord Recently I have realized that GT has some really inconsistent power scaling, especially where Pan is involved. Sometimes she easily gets beaten by cannon fodder (like when the brainwashed fighters beat her up) and during the Shadow Dragon Saga we see her survive attacks that hurt Goku. Unless we are too assume Rage Shenron is intentionally holding back against her, in the scene where he's electrocuting her, Pan is as strong as Goku. The only consistency is that she is not strong enough enough to defeat the enemy and that she gets beat up. This also occurs in the final battle when Omega Shenron is beating up everyone. He's wailing on everybody, and nobody dies, even Mr. Satan. Is our villain seriously holding back that much to be nice?
@@dragonstormx I almost wonder if the part with Mr. Satan is that other characters such as Cell and Kid Buu were “not wasting their energy” against killing someone with a laughably low power level as him. Also, the gag that Satan is one of the extremely few characters in DB who hasn’t died once. Still doesn’t excuse Pan not dying several times, like you said. That is, until the whole “Golden Frieza nukes the entire world and Whis has to rewind time” stuff, but that’s a different canon.
"Bulma never made the Blutz Wave Machine before Baby showed up for some reason" She had plenty of reasons not to do that: 1) The only Great Ape she ever saw was Goku, and whenever Goku transformed, he always lost control. She wasn't there when Vegeta transformed, and we never see anyone explain to her that Vegeta was in control. As far as she knows, if her husband ever turns Great Ape, he'd risk destroying the entire planet by mistake. 2) When they first started dating, Vegeta was obsessed with becoming Super Saiyan, and had pretty much given up on getting his tail back, because Super Saiyan was infinitely more powerful and sustainable. By the time they married, Vegeta was already a Super Saiyan, making the Great Ape form completely obsolete. 3) It is heavily implied (at least in the non-English dubs) that in order to become a Golden Ape, you need to see Blutz waves reflected by Planet Earth instead of a moon (either that, or you need to turn Great Ape after reaching Super Saiyan status). This means that up until Baby reforms Planet Plant in the orbit of Earth, nobody can possibly know either option. Also about Eis Shenron, that's the spelling of the German word for ice, so it's not 100% arbitrary.
Didn't Baby stop caring about the lives of his followers once he became a Golden Ape though? You say he had no choice but I'm pretty sure there were segments during the fight where he was overpowering Goku without resorting to dirty methods. Baby is the best GT villain for lack of decent competition, but just like Goku Black, he started off having relatively noble goals and gradually degraded into a generic cackling lunatic whose only interest in life is killing Goku.
Before turning into the ape, Baby says that he is worried that he will not be able to control himself properly in ape form and that he'll end up blowing up his planet on accident. Once he is in ape form, he then threatens to blow up Earth just to force Goku to shield the blast. The implication is that he loses a portion of his sanity and becomes more reckless upon going into the ape form, and that's not what he would do in his right mind. Is it a throwaway excuse to have him act in a more generically villainous fashion for the writers? Yes, but it does at least give him a bit more depth than you'd expect.
37:52 It's not that original tbh, they just used the german word for ice. Other animes use german names too so no suprise. Other than that, great video!
Its really sad how much of GT's potential was squandered by Executive Meddling and its tiny budget. Makes the fact that the dub skipped over a bunch of stuff just to reach Baby attacking earth that much funnier in hindsight.
I much appreciate how this is phrased in a way where even someone with 0 DB knowledge can follow along fine. I look forward to seeing the lesser 14 placements get ripped to shreds.
The Tuffels were actually introduced in DragonBall Z by King Kai in Season One, but are only mentioned Once!
Its rare we get to see this kind of deep dive on Dragonball GT of all shows. For all the show's faults this video can at least attest to why Baby, if nobody else, deserves some real praise for being a genuinely interesting concept and execution for a Dragonball villain. And, well, while there's a few other decent choices, its fascinating how fast the show falls off a cliff in that regard, you've pretty much run out of nice things to say by #9 and #10 and we've got 14 more to go. Can't wait to see those 14 rejects in more detail, particularly Super 17 and Dr. Myuu as they're the only ones I have any knowledge on.
Never watched Dragon Ball GT aside from a very few episodes, and yeah, what I hear about it the most in terms of positives is that Baby apparently was a high point.
We never get a deep dive because people overbloat tiny parts of the show and praise them more than Z and then drag Super in the mud. GT fans don't really watch GT.
Tuffles were introduced in Dragon Ball Z, when King Kai told Goku about the Saiyan’s history. The Tuffles even were reused in the video game and OVA "Plan to Eradicate the Saiyans", which I’m fairly sure predates GT.
I’m glad at least someone still has the balls to make this video
I want to see an edit of Mutchy Mutchy yelling at his servants with "where there's a whip there's a way" playing in the background.
When there’s a transmutating laser attack, there’s a way.
It says a lot when #6 on villains is A POSSESSED BULMA
And that’s before getting to ANY of the villains from the Black-Star DragonBall arc, half of the Shadow Dragons, the revived villains, or Super Android 17. Says a lot indeed.
Good lord Haze was such a missed opportunity, From the powers to the personality so much more could have been applied to him even in the short frame of time he was a character.
The exaggerated expressions and goofy nature could have been an act rather than poor character design used as a cover to lull his opponents into a false sense of security before changing face as soon as he weakened his foes. The transition from a c tier threat to someone who holds your life in their hands could have been utilized in such a good way.
But how would they beat him once he got the upper hand? well If it were me I would have written it so that haze barely has any power beyond that of a grizzly bear, causing him to rely solely on his power and then had goku rely on nothing but human-level martial arts and skill alone to try and best him, it would make it a far more interesting fight.
You can really tell they wanted each early Shadow Dragon to have their own gimmick, but either had literally no time to give them more screen time, or come up with a reasonable way to counter their gimmick so they just have them be very easily defeated by plot or just dumb luck.
Yeah, the resolution to the episodic Shadow Dragons are all very weak.
I just wanted to post to tell you your comment on the other video seems to have been autodeleted by UA-cam for whatever reason.
Welcome to the grand tour.
The grand tour of going to different planets in space,then seeing old enemies return,then seeing past mistakes gave future enemies followed by seeing old friends one last time then you fly up into the sky.
It's funny the way you talk about the shadow dragons "coming out of their balls" makes them sound like OP pokemon.
I think the idea behind Suguoro, and his sons', true appearance is that they're space tanuki. Tanuki in general being mischievous shape-shifting trickster spirits.
5:23 the prince of all tuffles would have been a good title.
Goku getting knocked out of SS4 because Rage Shenron threw on attack at him was so lazy. We saw him take far more of a beating against Syn and Omega Shenron without getting knocked back to his base form.
It is laughably inconsistent with what forms beat and are beaten by. Based on that scene (and his stupid method of defeat) he's one of the canonically strongest characters if GT is allowed, which was blatantly not intentional.
@@VillainousWarlord Recently I have realized that GT has some really inconsistent power scaling, especially where Pan is involved.
Sometimes she easily gets beaten by cannon fodder (like when the brainwashed fighters beat her up) and during the Shadow Dragon Saga we see her survive attacks that hurt Goku. Unless we are too assume Rage Shenron is intentionally holding back against her, in the scene where he's electrocuting her, Pan is as strong as Goku.
The only consistency is that she is not strong enough enough to defeat the enemy and that she gets beat up.
This also occurs in the final battle when Omega Shenron is beating up everyone. He's wailing on everybody, and nobody dies, even Mr. Satan. Is our villain seriously holding back that much to be nice?
@@dragonstormx I almost wonder if the part with Mr. Satan is that other characters such as Cell and Kid Buu were “not wasting their energy” against killing someone with a laughably low power level as him. Also, the gag that Satan is one of the extremely few characters in DB who hasn’t died once. Still doesn’t excuse Pan not dying several times, like you said.
That is, until the whole “Golden Frieza nukes the entire world and Whis has to rewind time” stuff, but that’s a different canon.
Actually the Tuffles started in the Sayian saga of Z. they just didnt get used again till GT.
Solar baby bout to pop up outta no where watch! ☀️🧬
Baby’s final form is an NFT. He’s even got the golden fur, which makes him extra powerful.
"Bulma never made the Blutz Wave Machine before Baby showed up for some reason"
She had plenty of reasons not to do that:
1) The only Great Ape she ever saw was Goku, and whenever Goku transformed, he always lost control. She wasn't there when Vegeta transformed, and we never see anyone explain to her that Vegeta was in control. As far as she knows, if her husband ever turns Great Ape, he'd risk destroying the entire planet by mistake.
2) When they first started dating, Vegeta was obsessed with becoming Super Saiyan, and had pretty much given up on getting his tail back, because Super Saiyan was infinitely more powerful and sustainable. By the time they married, Vegeta was already a Super Saiyan, making the Great Ape form completely obsolete.
3) It is heavily implied (at least in the non-English dubs) that in order to become a Golden Ape, you need to see Blutz waves reflected by Planet Earth instead of a moon (either that, or you need to turn Great Ape after reaching Super Saiyan status). This means that up until Baby reforms Planet Plant in the orbit of Earth, nobody can possibly know either option.
Also about Eis Shenron, that's the spelling of the German word for ice, so it's not 100% arbitrary.
Okay, having to include Bulma in the list is certainly scraping the bottom of the barrell lol
1:15 He gave us SSJ4!!!!!
Didn't Baby stop caring about the lives of his followers once he became a Golden Ape though? You say he had no choice but I'm pretty sure there were segments during the fight where he was overpowering Goku without resorting to dirty methods.
Baby is the best GT villain for lack of decent competition, but just like Goku Black, he started off having relatively noble goals and gradually degraded into a generic cackling lunatic whose only interest in life is killing Goku.
Before turning into the ape, Baby says that he is worried that he will not be able to control himself properly in ape form and that he'll end up blowing up his planet on accident. Once he is in ape form, he then threatens to blow up Earth just to force Goku to shield the blast.
The implication is that he loses a portion of his sanity and becomes more reckless upon going into the ape form, and that's not what he would do in his right mind. Is it a throwaway excuse to have him act in a more generically villainous fashion for the writers? Yes, but it does at least give him a bit more depth than you'd expect.
Sugoro is not a mole, his design is based off tanuki, which in Japanese mythology have shapeshifting powers
Baby is not a villain he is a hero
Episode 15-40 was mostly the best of GT
Aw come one man, you got to include 41, that one was the best episode, pan giving Satan's classic stomach ache excuse
Eis is just the German version of Ice, which is still pretty meh as a name when you have Nova.
Actually Eis is German for ice cream... for whatever that's worth.
@@slawfoot4431 Now, if he was allied with Freiza, then that would make sense. Right?
37:52 It's not that original tbh, they just used the german word for ice. Other animes use german names too so no suprise. Other than that, great video!
Its really sad how much of GT's potential was squandered by Executive Meddling and its tiny budget. Makes the fact that the dub skipped over a bunch of stuff just to reach Baby attacking earth that much funnier in hindsight.
I thought dragon ball evaluation was the black sheep.
Dragon Ball Evaluation is my favorite edutainment anime.
I prefer gt over super tbh
Baby is definitely a better villain than anything Super's anime offers, at the least. Super was really struggling in the villains department.
What’s the name of the song playing at 40 minutes ?????
Song names are in the description, it's called "Dark Dizzy" from some Megaman game.
Dragon ball zee my kids
Toriyama was absolutely involved with GT … stop regurgitating the same ol’ tired bullshit people online keep pulling from their ass
Super 17?
Yeah, he’s number 7 in the following video
I like the dragon ball z game
Even dragonball super. Super is also cash grab. Goku black? Z amass? Wait what other villians?
Super seems to have more antagonists than villains
Bro if you say GT is "trash" and "not good" ypu a big time hater 😂 no way super is better than GT
Joke no Super 17