Just like the CERVELO, If it is so perfect aerodynamically now what they will propose in a year and what they argue for, I don't know what makes sense and what is only marketing.
What a nice bike. Thanks for making a distinct aero bike, and not merging it with your lightweight model. Can't wait to see independent testing data, e.g. in Tour magazine.
@@Megadeth6633 If it is so perfect aerodynamically now what they will propose in a year and what they argue for, I don't know what makes sense and what is only marketing.
@@jakubsikorski4508 mostly marketing, and I'm afraid the only way to stop it is education. If people get fed up with the BS, it might be the only way to change this. But that's harrrrd to do.
90% of drag is the rider, until you have optimised yourself first most of this is utterly pointless. Get fit, get fast buy gradually more aero clothes ( also expensive) The gains in focussing on the rider first are huge, I know I've done it myself.
Looks fantastic. If I would be one of your engineers I would have definitely test and improve the aerodynamics in the bottle area. From what I see no attention to that part.
Proably that as well, the rears has more weight. And aero, the front hits the air first, so they have to be narrow, to reduce the frontal area and to be closer to a naca shape. At the rear this is not so important, but important to get close to the seattube. If they would go narrower, they have to design the shield to hug a smaller tire, wider tires outer edge has more radius, to maintain the aero. Max tire clearence would be smaller then, and some buyer might wouldnt consider a bike with 28 or even 25 max tire widht. I have also noticed a theme, the front tire rarely huged by the downtube nowadays, instead they make a "hole" , where the rim brake sat, let more air over the tire and drive around the downtube, maybe a smaller tire halps here as well.
this frameset size in large + ultegra set weights about 8.17kg. that's pretty heavy for aero or all around bike. I want to know the aero advantage verses really heavy frame . what's the give and take.
wow, considering everything toghether to make the fastest possible bike... yeah... what about testing with a water bottle on that downtube? in the real world everyone has one or two bottle, it ha no sense making a super skinny downtube if then the bottle acts like a parachute
One design choice I don't quite agree with is the near vertical seatpost. If you are trying to improve flex/comfort. steepening the seatpost angle dramatically won't help. Otherwise everything is great
The seatpost is much thinner than it seems. The offset between the seat clamp and the structural component of the seatpost effectively slackens the seatpost angle.
I think the old one looked better (was going to be my next bike) but I know this is a weapon for elite racers so cool I guess. Aesthetics are subjective but aero bikes are getting more fugly every year imo.
I mean it's cool but they followed in the footsteps of Literally Every Other Aero Bike: dropped seatstays, wide fork, rear wheel cutout, essentially an Aeroad seatpost, integrated handlebar. So what is really different about it?
Lol. Did it ever come to your mind that those elements are the core principal of aerodynamics? It‘s not about creativity but about science. A deep frame will always be faster than one with round tubes. Same goes for the seatpost which has a normal design and is not copied from the aeroad.
@@anonymeralkoholiker2913 Oh so it's just serendipity that Scott 'discovered' that dropped seatstays are more aero years after literally every other company has already figured that out? Come on man you're not that stupid. And that is 100% the Aeroad seatpost. If you don't see it then you literally haven't been paying attention. This bike is about as generic as 2022 aero bikes get. But leave it to Scott to say ItS 376% StiFfEr. They stole the back end of an S5, the seatpost of an Aeroad, and the front of a Venge.
@@anonymeralkoholiker2913 a perfectly normal seatpost?? that THING is divided in three different parts and for you is normal?? It slightly modifies the concept of the seatpost on the aeroad where the real seatpost it's just a skinny piece of carbon with a huge fairing on the back to increase aerodinamics. Just let's hope it's implemented better than on the aeroad given the problems that came out with that.
Ok guys, throw away all your CFD tools, junk your wind tunnels and burn your textbooks. Jason's here. Tucked front wheels have been tried. I'm not an aero expert, but there doesn't seem to be a reason to leave those watts on the table. Specialized got rid of their tucked wheel because downtube-wheel interaction is less important than they thought. The bike has to be able to perform in turbulent conditions, crosswinds and especially when the rider is wobbling the front wheel. The front wheel and downtube are rarely aligned.
Here comes this guy trying to be a youtube Aerodynamic specialist 😂Do you honestly think you are more knowledgeable than the designers that have been doing this all their life ? seriously.. ? lmao 😂 I'm pretty sure the wind tunnel told them everything they need to know about airflow passing the downtube don't quit your day job.
@@404nobrakes What I really want to know is why most aero bikes have gotten rid of the widened downtube feature around the bottles. It's really hard to imagine that has resulted in less drag, so engineers definitely seem to be willing to make concessions for modern aesthetics, but I could be wrong
Honestly, kinda sucks how I had to wait a year for my 2022 Foil RC 10 to be delivered and pay a fortune. Only for a month later for Scott to be like “pfft, that old heavily un-aero POS? Check out this new faster, lighter, all-rounder made by better engineers”. But I guess you need suckers to unload the old stuff on.
I noticed not once did you mention "with water bottles", not one video of a water bottle. You mention bike on its own and with rider...but do you know a single real rider who rides without a water bottle? Why do most bike manufacturers NOT take this into account?
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..faster then ever , lighter then ever , bla , bla.... this bike will only make a difference with professional riders. for all those amateurs out there it will be just another overpriced , fancy tool to have. they would not even know if they reach the finish 10seconds faster , if it was thanks to the new bike , or because they had a good breakfast that day. just moneymaking..
As usual, will leave judgement on how aero once a 3rd party actually does testing in a wind tunnel with a standardized dummy and setup with full disc wheels etc...all of these claims as always, with a rider on board, and those terrible disc brakes attached, often translates into marginal, if no, gains. Don't know if it is copy cat, or if engineers are all somewhat finding similar designs based on rules, that ultimately look the same. Clearly an S5 seat tube/rear section look, TimeMachine BB area/downtube/seatube junction for stiffness/aero...and then the front head tube where the forks meet is another common new design element. Handlebars really flat/narrow on top with integrated computer mount that aligns with a computer is helpful, wonder how stiff that is in a sprint? Imagine a lot of flex on the bars when cranking 1000w+ with that design. Not impressed with the cutting of the fork though. Canyon figured this out already how to build a headset/fork tube design which requires zero cutting and accomplishes all the aero/stiffness of others. Sawing away is still a wasteful and absurd idea IMO that happens making the bike often useless for a used bike buyer. I still ride and have my Scott Foil original 10, used to have the original Team version, from 2013, it still holds up as one of the most aero/stiffest design with a rim brake. Ride is a bit rough...but can't deny Scott makes a great long lasting bike. Still not spending money on any new bikes or disc brakes because in reality, nothing has proven faster or worth the $$$$ for my racing/masters needs.
Shame. Seriously was considering to buy Scott foil. But I will not , because of Scott commercial with Safa Brian. Safa’s dare devil descents on regular roads with regular traffic should not be rewarded. He shows he has no regard and no respect to anyone else using the road. He is responsible for his life but what about putting others in danger?
"10% more comfortable". Like comfort is quantifiable
Depends on what they mean. Could be talking about absorption.
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60% of the time, it works every time
" we designed this for the coffee ride"😂😂😂😂
Looks like a Venge , S5 , and TimeMachine beautifully put together . I really like this !
Or a Rose Xlite CW
Just like the CERVELO, If it is so perfect aerodynamically now what they will propose in a year and what they argue for, I don't know what makes sense and what is only marketing.
@@jakubsikorski4508s5 more aero and faster....
What a nice bike. Thanks for making a distinct aero bike, and not merging it with your lightweight model. Can't wait to see independent testing data, e.g. in Tour magazine.
The best looking aero bike. Congratulation
Look at the Cervelo S5
@@DJWolves97 joking ?
A slightly modified Cervelo S5, but looks nice.
Exactly my thought
No surprises there. They both seem really fast.
first time i saw photos of this I thought it was the new S5, than discovered it is a foil
All of the sudden I’m attracted to this bike and moving away from Trek 🤔 I really like it.
Looks fast, i have the old RC and is great.
how do you adjust the seat angle? cant adjust mine
21% Faster "WOW". This bike will win everything 🤔
You'd imagine bikes would be 1 hour faster by now
@@Megadeth6633 If it is so perfect aerodynamically now what they will propose in a year and what they argue for, I don't know what makes sense and what is only marketing.
@@jakubsikorski4508 mostly marketing, and I'm afraid the only way to stop it is education. If people get fed up with the BS, it might be the only way to change this. But that's harrrrd to do.
There was no bar tape on handlebars in the wind tunnel 😁 maybe there they found 21%.
90% of drag is the rider, until you have optimised yourself first most of this is utterly pointless. Get fit, get fast buy gradually more aero clothes ( also expensive) The gains in focussing on the rider first are huge, I know I've done it myself.
With a fast bike is fast ride
Those are the basic premise. This is a bike for those who have long since accomplished those things.
@@user-chacha506 100%
I'm planning to use it for fun an commute 🎉
cmon Scott! we just need a new SCOTT SCALE FRAME!
New Cervelo Scott
Looks fantastic.
If I would be one of your engineers I would have definitely test and improve the aerodynamics in the bottle area. From what I see no attention to that part.
Why not integrate the caliper in the frame and front fork?
Uci rules dont allow it
Nice bike; I hope you offer this in colors (and not only carbon color).
what's the reason that 25c in front and 28 in the rear? weight distribution?
My guess would be to reduce frontal area.
Proably that as well, the rears has more weight.
And aero, the front hits the air first, so they have to be narrow, to reduce the frontal area and to be closer to a naca shape. At the rear this is not so important, but important to get close to the seattube. If they would go narrower, they have to design the shield to hug a smaller tire, wider tires outer edge has more radius, to maintain the aero. Max tire clearence would be smaller then, and some buyer might wouldnt consider a bike with 28 or even 25 max tire widht.
I have also noticed a theme, the front tire rarely huged by the downtube nowadays, instead they make a "hole" , where the rim brake sat, let more air over the tire and drive around the downtube, maybe a smaller tire halps here as well.
Mainly to balance aero and comfort. 28mm in the rear for comfort and 25mm front for aero.
What program do you render with?
Like a cervelo ;) XERO CERVELO ;)
Scott rules 🏆N1NO New Road bike😄love my mountainbike.next is the New spark sl evo axs🤤
Hello! What is the price?
this frameset size in large + ultegra set weights about 8.17kg. that's pretty heavy for aero or all around bike. I want to know the aero advantage verses really heavy frame . what's the give and take.
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You can break away on it. You can use it as an aero bike. You can get a coffee on it.
It's your choice.
time to upgrade my Eurobike
wow, considering everything toghether to make the fastest possible bike... yeah... what about testing with a water bottle on that downtube? in the real world everyone has one or two bottle, it ha no sense making a super skinny downtube if then the bottle acts like a parachute
Focus on lightweight which I LOVE however no stats on the actual weight were mentioned 🤔💭
« 9% lighter that previous model »
Can it fit someone 205cm tall and 290
price?
I dream I have a bike like this as I don't have a bike anymore, I don't have money, I am really sad
One design choice I don't quite agree with is the near vertical seatpost. If you are trying to improve flex/comfort. steepening the seatpost angle dramatically won't help. Otherwise everything is great
The seatpost is much thinner than it seems. The offset between the seat clamp and the structural component of the seatpost effectively slackens the seatpost angle.
When are these available to buy?
Just bought one. Saddle rail clamp went from the best on earth to the worst.
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i like but im afraid of the price when anounce
At the end of the video: Oh! We've also forgot to tell you... it's bullet proof ( shoots it with a rocket laucher )
Why a 1” steerer? ✏️
I think the old one looked better (was going to be my next bike) but I know this is a weapon for elite racers so cool I guess.
Aesthetics are subjective but aero bikes are getting more fugly every year imo.
You know what this means right? The next Addict RC is going back to a hella light design. N+1 is coming back.
The back looks like 3t strada
I mean it's cool but they followed in the footsteps of Literally Every Other Aero Bike: dropped seatstays, wide fork, rear wheel cutout, essentially an Aeroad seatpost, integrated handlebar. So what is really different about it?
Lol. Did it ever come to your mind that those elements are the core principal of aerodynamics? It‘s not about creativity but about science. A deep frame will always be faster than one with round tubes. Same goes for the seatpost which has a normal design and is not copied from the aeroad.
@@anonymeralkoholiker2913 Oh so it's just serendipity that Scott 'discovered' that dropped seatstays are more aero years after literally every other company has already figured that out? Come on man you're not that stupid.
And that is 100% the Aeroad seatpost. If you don't see it then you literally haven't been paying attention.
This bike is about as generic as 2022 aero bikes get. But leave it to Scott to say ItS 376% StiFfEr. They stole the back end of an S5, the seatpost of an Aeroad, and the front of a Venge.
@@anonymeralkoholiker2913 a perfectly normal seatpost?? that THING is divided in three different parts and for you is normal??
It slightly modifies the concept of the seatpost on the aeroad where the real seatpost it's just a skinny piece of carbon with a huge fairing on the back to increase aerodinamics. Just let's hope it's implemented better than on the aeroad given the problems that came out with that.
Interest with better s5 or this
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"the seat is 10% more comfortable" - guys, how do you measure comfort? (=,=)'
Too much tire to downtube gap. Turbulent area.
Ok guys, throw away all your CFD tools, junk your wind tunnels and burn your textbooks. Jason's here.
Tucked front wheels have been tried. I'm not an aero expert, but there doesn't seem to be a reason to leave those watts on the table. Specialized got rid of their tucked wheel because downtube-wheel interaction is less important than they thought. The bike has to be able to perform in turbulent conditions, crosswinds and especially when the rider is wobbling the front wheel. The front wheel and downtube are rarely aligned.
Here comes this guy trying to be a youtube Aerodynamic specialist 😂Do you honestly think you are more knowledgeable than the designers that have been doing this all their life ? seriously.. ? lmao 😂 I'm pretty sure the wind tunnel told them everything they need to know about airflow passing the downtube don't quit your day job.
@@404nobrakes What I really want to know is why most aero bikes have gotten rid of the widened downtube feature around the bottles. It's really hard to imagine that has resulted in less drag, so engineers definitely seem to be willing to make concessions for modern aesthetics, but I could be wrong
@@404nobrakes 😂 I’m here! Woo! I’ve watched too many Silca, Hambini, Peak Torque videos.
@@squiresuzuki yeah it's hard to know which bikes were optimized with bottles vs without.
I am guessing you could by a nice car for the price of this piece of carbon.
Swiss watch.🇨🇭
Basically looks like more high tech 3T strada Due lol
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Honestly, kinda sucks how I had to wait a year for my 2022 Foil RC 10 to be delivered and pay a fortune. Only for a month later for Scott to be like “pfft, that old heavily un-aero POS? Check out this new faster, lighter, all-rounder made by better engineers”. But I guess you need suckers to unload the old stuff on.
Ill buy your RC
@@DACforlife it’s a 54.
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wow sounds expensive.
I see zipp nsw I click hahahha
I noticed not once did you mention "with water bottles", not one video of a water bottle. You mention bike on its own and with rider...but do you know a single real rider who rides without a water bottle? Why do most bike manufacturers NOT take this into account?
if only yall could create differnt reach/size bikes lol
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It must have taken your designers all of 5 minutes copying the 3T Strada to come up with that monstrosity!
it looks like just any aero bicycle today.
“This aero bike looks like an aero bike”.
Incredible observation mate.
And then not Bringing it to South Africa 😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
They didn't engineer in the flame throwers to keep it from getting instantly stolen
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..faster then ever , lighter then ever , bla , bla.... this bike will only make a difference with professional riders. for all those amateurs out there it will be just another overpriced , fancy tool to have. they would not even know if they reach the finish 10seconds faster , if it was thanks to the new bike , or because they had a good breakfast that day. just moneymaking..
Literally just don’t buy it then.
I’m trembling….may need a stiff pour to settle the nerves
lol so much jargon. We have no idea what u sayin bro. Most of it is marketing bs anyways.
It was all pretty clear to me.
As usual, will leave judgement on how aero once a 3rd party actually does testing in a wind tunnel with a standardized dummy and setup with full disc wheels etc...all of these claims as always, with a rider on board, and those terrible disc brakes attached, often translates into marginal, if no, gains. Don't know if it is copy cat, or if engineers are all somewhat finding similar designs based on rules, that ultimately look the same. Clearly an S5 seat tube/rear section look, TimeMachine BB area/downtube/seatube junction for stiffness/aero...and then the front head tube where the forks meet is another common new design element. Handlebars really flat/narrow on top with integrated computer mount that aligns with a computer is helpful, wonder how stiff that is in a sprint? Imagine a lot of flex on the bars when cranking 1000w+ with that design. Not impressed with the cutting of the fork though. Canyon figured this out already how to build a headset/fork tube design which requires zero cutting and accomplishes all the aero/stiffness of others. Sawing away is still a wasteful and absurd idea IMO that happens making the bike often useless for a used bike buyer. I still ride and have my Scott Foil original 10, used to have the original Team version, from 2013, it still holds up as one of the most aero/stiffest design with a rim brake. Ride is a bit rough...but can't deny Scott makes a great long lasting bike. Still not spending money on any new bikes or disc brakes because in reality, nothing has proven faster or worth the $$$$ for my racing/masters needs.
And then it costs 10000 usd no thank you
Meh.
It may be full of tech, but gosh, is it an ugly design....
Shame. Seriously was considering to buy Scott foil. But I will not , because of Scott commercial with Safa Brian. Safa’s dare devil descents on regular roads with regular traffic should not be rewarded. He shows he has no regard and no respect to anyone else using the road. He is responsible for his life but what about putting others in danger?
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