We had a tornado here in Mississippi back in March 2022. The hardwoods weren't leafed out yet so 80% of them survived. Every 100 yr. Old Cedar tree got topped off or cut in half for miles. I am now building a cabin, a barn and a shed out of cedars. Thanks for the shingle tip. Problem solved!
Those must have been white or red Eastern cedar. Cedar, in the proper growing ground with lots of water, can actually REPAIR itself from the inside. I've seen old growth hit by lightiniing on the wet west coast and the tree would literally fill in (over decades) and sent another top up into the sky. Most other trees can't do that and survive.
Ah, we are neighbors then. But only pecan trees around me. I use the fallen wood for the smoker. Making big posts for a hammock. Bird houses with the kids too.
If you have priced a box of cedar shingles now, that machine is about as valuable as a money printing press. You won't go to Federal prison for running it either!
I worked on a newer type of shingle mill out on the island in BC in the mid 1980's. Three of us could cut a whole skid of cedar shingles in about 6hrs. We'd have a 1 ton truck loaded and out for delivery to Washington State, every Friday. Earned a pretty good living at it too! My buddy's Dad had over 100 acres of virgin BC cedar. Trees were +200ft tall. It took a D10 dozer to haul out one tree, and it took us most the summer to cut up that one tree, into cedar shingles, shims & shakes. Getting old & reminiscing here, but I do miss it out there. Parksville Qualicum Beach! Beautiful area out there!
@@rawbacon I don't quite remember how many square feet a bundle could cover, but our skids were 4x4 and the bundles on it were 4ft high. Each skid could hold 12 bundles, so it was 4 cubic feet and we could load 16 skids onto the 1 ton.
120 year old machines, still running. Untreated shingles that will outlast the most advanced asphalt shingles available today. *Progress* just means movement in a direction, it doesn't necessarily mean *movement in a better direction*
@@leifvejby8023 Hi our family farm house in Manitoba Canada was either built in1974 or 76 I can't remember exactly which years for the house and workshop building. The house still has 90% of the original cedar shakes as they call them round here. My dad replaced 2 small flatter roof areas over the deck and stairs into the basement with modern asphalt shingles during the last 2 years, that had damage from overhanging trees before we bought the place. I'd bet there is about 2 years left in the rest of the original roof before it's replaced to, so if it's 74 I was born that year and 48 they'll be 50 years old if they last that long.
@@super6954 Thanks! They don't seem to last very long here, on a nearby museum they lasted about 15 years. The reason can be the climate - Denmark is wetter, colder and have less sun hours than Seattle, which is known for cold, dark and wet weather. Could very well be the reason! Thanks again!
@@ToxicMrSmith In American English, odor is the preferred spelling of the noun referring to a property detected by the sense of smell. In all other main varieties of English, odour is the preferred spelling.
I love the smell of cedar as well. I line the closet with cedar to scent it on my clothes. Way better than artificial detergent or fabric softener scents. Also, freshly cut Douglas Fir in the morning.. absolutely divine. 🤤 For many thousands of years freshly cut wood was a predominant scent in many communities since we were hunter gatherers all the way up to the industrial revolution. From tools to houses and everything in between. These are fine scents of nature we have lost to modernization and everything being layered with drywall, chemicals, paint, and plastics. 😒 I sometimes wonder if the reason why common sense seems to be disappearing is because common scents are fading as well. 🤔🤷😂
@@deanerhar We had a cedar lined closet for olfactory reasons and for moth protection as well. Bare cedar will emit more odor again after fading by sanding it to expose new fibers. The move away from natural products takes away an element of richness. There's many people who have never been in the woods during and especially after rain to take in the fresh scents. There's nothing like a real Christmas tree either.
What comes off that machine is not high quality shingles, but underlay. Good quality cedar shingles are split, not cut, so that the individual fibers of the wood are not all intercepted. They are called hand splits, but they can be split by machine. Split shingles are much thicker than the crap we see here that will quickly split open in the weather.
Exactly what I thought. How come such thin shingles survive sun, rain and wind in the long run. The taper also makes sense now. It renders the surface much more flat ready for the actual shingles.
Rough sawn shingles are older than that machine , I've got them on the side of my camp and they were put there in 64' . If there was any logic to your comment , sawn lumber of any species wouldn't last the elements.
Yes, but, how can this help the plebs and their tik tok videos? We live in an era of regression and lost arts. Now "digital" code runs our life and entertains our children. Do you think in 120 years they will be showing off cell phones and dating apps? Probably not. If we even make it that far. -Black Pill out
Ye old classic sawstop action - put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop.
the coolest thing about state fairs is the food, and the engines displays. you can smell the oil burners everywhere in the park and its just magical at night.
I had to look this up. A full twist on the engine belt runs the machinery in reverse. A half-twist on the engine belt makes a mobius loop, allowing for even wear when the engine runs.
When I started working as a carpenter in the late 60's almost every new home had wood shingles. As time went by and fireworks became more plentiful, roof fires from the wooden shingles caused the housing industry to shift to the more common asphalt shingle you see today. While they'll still burn, it's harder to get them lit than the old cedar shingle. Several fire proofing products were invented that could be sprayed onto wood roofs to reduce the chance of fire. But, they were costly both in material and labor to apply it, plus it had to be renewed every few years. So, it just wasn't cost effective enough to save the wooden shingle roof!
This is why towns stink now. There is nothing quite like the stench of hot asphalt in morning... 🤤🙃🤢 I much prefer the smell of "firewood" in the morning, even if it is my neighbors house. 😂 ...only my house can have asphalt shingles guys, everyone else must use cedar shingles, and point your fireworks in the opposite direction of me so I can smell the world burn... 🤤🙃😌
@@deanerhar are you sure you need the smell of shingles burning in the morning? Seems to me you could find a good work in a coal locomotive, coaling a steam ship or maybe commited to an asylum.
Imagine using ceramic tiles like the Portuguese, Spanish and all its colonies. It's like some Americans are smart and work for the advance of humanity but the rest are just plain $+vp¡d. I guess it's cheaper and warmer to die in a blaze.
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse In areas where they used clay tiles on roofs it was done out of necessity. There wasn't enough trees to build the homes, much less use them for shingles. That's why so many used mud brick and other materials used to build homes. In the U.S. there was an abundance of trees, so that's what we used. As for your opinion on "stupid Americans," I'm sure there's an equal amount of stupid people in every nation, including yours!
I was always taught to use machines and equipment like the safety features were not there. The safer you make something the more complacent people get around it, and that is when terrible things happen. Still today mills have huge saws that could easily cut you in two if not careful, but the people operating it Know that, and always take precautions, mindful, but not afraid, kind of a tradesman code.
IMAGINE SHOWING UP WITH GOGGLES. EAR PROTECTION A HARD HAT STEEL TOE BOOTS,GLOVES, GREEN GLOW IN THE DARK VEST!!? YOU WOULD BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WHOLE TOWN MAYBE THE STATE!! AND THEY WOULD SAY TO MUCH SISSY SAUCE ON THAT BOY!! IS WHAT MY GRANDFATHER AND FATHER AND UNCLES WOULD HAVE DEEMED THE GUY A FERRY!!!? THEY CALLED IT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND FK YOUR FEELINGS LEAVE THEM HOME WITH THE WOMEN AND BABIES!!???
The fact that this awesome dude has all of his fingers is proof he possesses more wisdom than 3/4 of our current population. (*and I am being generous)
Right at the beginning, notice how he holds the crank to start the tractor all four fingers and his thumb on the same side of the handle. Youngsters, those younger than 70, may not know that if you grab the handle with your thumb on the opposite side, there is a possibility that the engine will backfire, the crank will turn in the opposite direction, and it will break your thumb.
Dude I think you meant to say under 90. It has been an extremely long time since a hand crank was a common feature on engines, and even when they were common loads of people never touched them.
There was an Old Boy over here in the UK called Jack Hargreaves OBE, who presented two TV programs, Out of Town and Old Country by himself and a children TV program with 4 other presenters which was called How! showing how things worked. He'd have loved to have seen that shingle mill running, his programs focused on country life in the UK from the end of WW2 on, there a page about him on Wikipedia that gives a good rundown of his life ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hargreaves
@@twatmunro Susan Stranks (agree with description), but she presented Magpie, How! had Bunty James alongside Fred Dinage and - damn, now I'll have too look up the science guy's name. Jon something?
the earliest shingles used were made of oak and split by hand. the tree that was used was called the shingle oak because of this.i had a shingle oak in the back yard of my old house and nobody could correctly identify it until i researched the leaf on the internet.the only way to properly identify a oak tree is by the leaf.The lumber of shingle oak is unimportant as a commercial timber tree, although it will be harvested if of sawlog size. The wood is not distinguished from other red oaks. Settlers discovered that it split easily and could be used for shingles or shakes, thus its common name.
Any wood can serve as a 'successful shingle, the only difference being in how long they'd last. It's not like people were not going to put a roof on if they didn't have chestnut, they'd just use what was at hand.
Come now, that's common knowledge for anyone that's been around hand crank starters. But for those that haven't; you turn it slowly until you get a cylinder on the compression stroke (you'll know because of the increase in resistance), preferably with the handle between 12:30 and 2:30, then you reposition your thumb. DO NOT grip it like a bat or a bottle, but rather put your thumb along side your index finger. This way if the machine kicks back the crank will slip out of your grip. Remember most engines fire before TDC, and most of these engines were to simplistic for an automated timing retarder. Then with a quick motion shove the crank through the rest of the compression stroke, hopefully starting the engine. With a cold engine I find that leaving the ignition off, activating the choke, and cranking the machine rather quickly for 15-20 seconds, before turning on the ignition and performing the steps listed helps. If requested I can do a video showing and explaining how.
I worked in one of the last old-time big shingle mills, in Washington, in the early 70's. I believe it was from the 30's. In a two story creaking wooden building 200+ feet long was 10 of these saws, just like the one in the video. These were on the second floor. Below, huge logs were hauled from the lake, and bucked into 16" thick slices, then broken into chunks with air chisels. A conveyor brought upstairs huge blocks of cedar, 50-80 pounds, many cut from 1,000 year old trees 6-8 feet in diameter. My job was to pile those on a big steel deck behind the sawyer to await sawing.Working next to those 10 screaming saws was a nightmare. The volume of the noise is indescribable and was enough to actually make me sick.. It was one of the worst jobs I ever had, I started having horrible dreams after 2 weeks and quit.
I know your pain. Worked in enough workshops to know how annoying constant loud noise can be. But it is mandatory to wear ear protection nowadays. Not sure about 70's.
Cool as shit. Worked with cedar shakes most of my career . Roof and wall. Love these specialized old machines. Shudder maker cool also. Could all be powered by water wheel
In the mid-70s I heard a little American girl saying that her grandad had a shake mill. It took me some time to find out what it was as I had visions of a flour mill with the DTs! Col, NZ.
I tore down my old home built in 1905. Under a asphalt roof and metal roof was original cedar shakes. Ones protected from exposure were just as pretty as day they were layed. Neat knowing how they were made.
At the Port of Everett Marina there is a park where they have information on shingle cutters(the workers). They were easy to recognizes by their multiple missing fingers.
That mechanism is super interesting. All of these machines are terrifying! Those open blades, the giant belt just waiting to grab the unwary. It is amazing that more people didn't lose limbs or die outright.
@@teebob21 ….Now that we’ve (corporate lawyers) have made just about everything safe as can be, we let idiots do all sorts of things. The result…., decreased productivity, shoddy work and the perpetuation of even more idiots. 👍
SUPER AWESOME VIDEO DUDE!!!! thank you for resurrecting it, just watched it at lunch with some guys on the job and we all loved the action of the machine and how it made that basically foolproof to get good, consistent material out of it. We all kinda thought it would be cool to be back before battery operated tools and air compressors and extension cords and shit makin houses that way. We all decided it would be way funner.
yeah, that would be fun. less safety crap but a lot more backbreaking manual labor. lot more time laboring onsite. but that isn't necessarily a bad thing. would be real interesting to see some of the tools that got put to task back then. i imagine they'd put up some kind of gin pole to set rafters with.
My great grandfather owned the first bandsaw in minnehaha county south Dakota. It was steam powered. I have a stable biult in the 1860s . There are half inch boards in the walls holding concrete so it wouldn't blow away. I'm sure these boards were cut on his band saw. It was still around 40 years ago but has now dissapeared for ever.
Sorry to hear that. Nothing lasts forever, but pictures and stories, and most importantly how and why to do things must be passed down to our children!
A periodic application of linseed oil and pine tar to a wooden shingle roof can make it last 100's if not a thousand years... depending on pitch and quality of shingles/shakes. I bet the oil industry doesn't want you to know about that!
cedar shingles are the best, my friend replaced the 100 year old cottage roof with a tin roof, shingles weren't leaking but had tons of moss and buildup ;-) they did a great job!
When folks and I moved down from NoCal Trinity Alps to LoCal Los Angeles area brought several bundles (called squares - enough to cover 100 sq. ft.) of shakes and shingles with us. Dad and I (10y.o.) roofed front porch roof and rear corner of house walls. 60 years later roof shakes turned into what I considered equivalent of match sticks waiting for something to happen (replaced now with compo roof) but wall corner still in good condition but much darker. Don't think shakes were true shakes but what dad called combed shingles with small shallow groves.
Walnut was used often in the east and in Europe. It was the favored shingle material going back to the Anglo-Saxons and wooden shingles in place of thatch is one of the methods used to divide Anglo-Saxon from Celtic habitation of a village.
Is this shingle mill still in existence? I would like to get a hold of a mill like this to produce some shingles. I know the footage is old. I grew up in the County but had left by 1994 now live an hour west.
For 2 years, the UA-cam Algo has wanted me to view this. Finally. Do I win any awards Mr YT Algo? Dear YT Algo: How many body parts how been affected by the big beautiful blade?
In Tennessee, white oak is the product of choice for split shakes. You split on the grain for the best water resistance. Plus white oak has tylosis in the parenchyma cells that retards water entry.There are buildings that I know of that have oak shakes that are 80-100 years old. Sawing is ok, but cutting across the grain opens up the pores an allows water penetration. Having hand split a bunch of white oak shakes by hand with a froe and wood mallet, I can tell you the work is a man killer.
Interesting, Bosma is a Frisian name and when he speaks, there's this slight accent that I recognise as being from there in the way syllables with R and L are pronounced. He must have some ancestry from that region. Groetnis út Fryslân! ;)
@@tinkeralexander5639 this also makes longer-lasting shingles, as the grain lies flatter. Look up other videos on UA-cam to see how it’s done. There are quite a few. It’s worth gathering a work party of like-minded enthusiasts though!
Goldie & McCulloch Co. 65 Grand Ave. S., Cambridge, Waterloo Region, Ontario... Currently the called The Gaslight District. found a hand drawn picture of the building from the late 1800's, and a photograph from the early 1900's, and if you look at satellite/street view (as of 6-29-22) you can see the raised roof section of the North wing, the remains of the building in the courtyard and the split between the buildings on the East wing that was added later. Redevelopment has altered the building, but it's still standing for you to enjoy.
@@RadRidesByCru very cool. I walk by those buildings a few times a week with the dog. Should have known it was them! My company has actually done some of the environmental work related to their redevelopment!
Them old machines had the best and most versatile form of safety installed... It's called "common sense"... But it's not used very often these days....
Australian Cedar is Rich red and Can produce a lot of sap but is strong as Hell and burns so well, I made a red cedar baseball bat and was heavy as iron and it was hard as to !
Not sure what species you're talking about. Just fiy it's not real cedar. There are only 4 cedars that grow in middle East, the rest are pines and trees that have name "cedar". Those real cedars are quite soft, but very durable in terms of rot and insect attacks.
It’s part of history, but it’s not like these things aren’t being made still. In fact I am working for a guy out of oregon who owns a shingle mill in Siletz oregon. Everything is run off electricity now but his saws look and work just like this one with some other minor upgrades. Hearing that this saw is used in shows and stuff is interesting, I can’t wait to tell him that his equipment belongs in a museum lol.
looking back it's kinda funny. My dad was so pissed at me because I was told not to crank it and I did anyway. I was soaking my arm in the livestock water tank and it didn't help so he made my mom take me to the hospital where I was fitted with a cast for two month. Oh, the dumb things we do when we're young! I don't crank anything bigger than a chainsaw. Almost 50 years later and I still remember the pain! LOL!
We had a tornado here in Mississippi back in March 2022. The hardwoods weren't leafed out yet so 80% of them survived. Every 100 yr. Old Cedar tree got topped off or cut in half for miles. I am now building a cabin, a barn and a shed out of cedars.
Thanks for the shingle tip. Problem solved!
Those must have been white or red Eastern cedar. Cedar, in the proper growing ground with lots of water, can actually REPAIR itself from the inside. I've seen old growth hit by lightiniing on the wet west coast and the tree would literally fill in (over decades) and sent another top up into the sky. Most other trees can't do that and survive.
Ah, we are neighbors then. But only pecan trees around me. I use the fallen wood for the smoker. Making big posts for a hammock. Bird houses with the kids too.
If you have priced a box of cedar shingles now, that machine is about as valuable as a money printing press. You won't go to Federal prison for running it either!
I worked on a newer type of shingle mill out on the island in BC in the mid 1980's. Three of us could cut a whole skid of cedar shingles in about 6hrs. We'd have a 1 ton truck loaded and out for delivery to Washington State, every Friday. Earned a pretty good living at it too! My buddy's Dad had over 100 acres of virgin BC cedar. Trees were +200ft tall. It took a D10 dozer to haul out one tree, and it took us most the summer to cut up that one tree, into cedar shingles, shims & shakes.
Getting old & reminiscing here, but I do miss it out there.
Parksville Qualicum Beach! Beautiful area out there!
How big is a skid of shingles?
@@rawbacon I don't quite remember how many square feet a bundle could cover, but our skids were 4x4 and the bundles on it were 4ft high. Each skid could hold 12 bundles, so it was 4 cubic feet and we could load 16 skids onto the 1 ton.
120 year old machines, still running. Untreated shingles that will outlast the most advanced asphalt shingles available today. *Progress* just means movement in a direction, it doesn't necessarily mean *movement in a better direction*
How long do they last over there - here it is only 15 - 20 years.
A lovely machine, but not the best shingles, sawn shingles are not as good as riven ones, same with plaster laths.
My house still has the ceder shingles under the asphalt shingles
@@leifvejby8023 Hi our family farm house in Manitoba Canada was either built in1974 or 76 I can't remember exactly which years for the house and workshop building. The house still has 90% of the original cedar shakes as they call them round here. My dad replaced 2 small flatter roof areas over the deck and stairs into the basement with modern asphalt shingles during the last 2 years, that had damage from overhanging trees before we bought the place. I'd bet there is about 2 years left in the rest of the original roof before it's replaced to, so if it's 74 I was born that year and 48 they'll be 50 years old if they last that long.
@@super6954 Thanks! They don't seem to last very long here, on a nearby museum they lasted about 15 years. The reason can be the climate - Denmark is wetter, colder and have less sun hours than Seattle, which is known for cold, dark and wet weather. Could very well be the reason! Thanks again!
I drove past a flatbed truck load of freshly cut cedar shingles in Maine one time and the odor was incredibly nice.
odour
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@@ToxicMrSmith Not unpleasant to me.
@@ToxicMrSmith In American English, odor is the preferred spelling of the noun referring to a property detected by the sense of smell. In all other main varieties of English, odour is the preferred spelling.
I love the smell of cedar as well. I line the closet with cedar to scent it on my clothes. Way better than artificial detergent or fabric softener scents. Also, freshly cut Douglas Fir in the morning.. absolutely divine. 🤤
For many thousands of years freshly cut wood was a predominant scent in many communities since we were hunter gatherers all the way up to the industrial revolution. From tools to houses and everything in between. These are fine scents of nature we have lost to modernization and everything being layered with drywall, chemicals, paint, and plastics. 😒
I sometimes wonder if the reason why common sense seems to be disappearing is because common scents are fading as well. 🤔🤷😂
@@deanerhar We had a cedar lined closet for olfactory reasons and for moth protection as well. Bare cedar will emit more odor again after fading by sanding it to expose new fibers.
The move away from natural products takes away an element of richness. There's many people who have never been in the woods during and especially after rain to take in the fresh scents. There's nothing like a real Christmas tree either.
What comes off that machine is not high quality shingles, but underlay. Good quality cedar shingles are split, not cut, so that the individual fibers of the wood are not all intercepted. They are called hand splits, but they can be split by machine. Split shingles are much thicker than the crap we see here that will quickly split open in the weather.
Exactly what I thought. How come such thin shingles survive sun, rain and wind in the long run.
The taper also makes sense now. It renders the surface much more flat ready for the actual shingles.
Shakes are split shingles are sawn
Wrong. Wood Shingles are cut, wood shakes are split.
Rough sawn shingles are older than that machine , I've got them on the side of my camp and they were put there in 64' .
If there was any logic to your comment , sawn lumber of any species wouldn't last the elements.
Best used under porches or gables with limited exposure. Interior also
Also, you can use the by-products of shingle making. The shavings make a fine bedding for the cattle and the trimmings can be used as kindling.
Yes, but, how can this help the plebs and their tik tok videos? We live in an era of regression and lost arts. Now "digital" code runs our life and entertains our children. Do you think in 120 years they will be showing off cell phones and dating apps? Probably not. If we even make it that far.
-Black Pill out
That's what i was thinking shavings would make great tinder.
That's right Sweet Nara, I sharpen my cedar pickets with a chain saw and since I don't have cattle, I use the shavings as tinder, it's great!
Forgive me, do the cattle eat it?🤔🤨
@@sweetkitty2798 they lay on it for bedding in barns
It would've been nice to see more of the mechanical part of this machine.
Thank you for posting this video, history should be remembered
Lovely! Thank-you!
From a Covid beached Canadian in Littlehampton, West Sussex, by the sea, England.
Bad idea to have office folk next to machinery!
Meh. A little 6 foot Razor sharp blade spinning at a few hundred rpm never hurt anybody.
Especially when one of them is Michael Harris from Newhart.
@@davearonow65 I lost both legs and an elbow last week...
This entire thread is made up of great comments 😂
Ye old classic sawstop action - put your bodies upon the gears and upon the wheels, upon the levers, upon all the apparatus, and you've got to make it stop.
Reminds me of my cousin who is still shingle. I enjoyed watching
You shingle-handedly ruined this video for me.
the coolest thing about state fairs is the food, and the engines displays. you can smell the oil burners everywhere in the park and its just magical at night.
He even uses an old line shaft system. Absolutely authentic!! Thanks for sharing!
I had to look this up. A full twist on the engine belt runs the machinery in reverse.
A half-twist on the engine belt makes a mobius loop, allowing for even wear when the engine runs.
Yep, and they're also using crowned pulleys. Keeps the belt on track without the need of any guides even if it's not a very tight tension.
When I started working as a carpenter in the late 60's almost every new home had wood shingles. As time went by and fireworks became more plentiful, roof fires from the wooden shingles caused the housing industry to shift to the more common asphalt shingle you see today. While they'll still burn, it's harder to get them lit than the old cedar shingle. Several fire proofing products were invented that could be sprayed onto wood roofs to reduce the chance of fire. But, they were costly both in material and labor to apply it, plus it had to be renewed every few years. So, it just wasn't cost effective enough to save the wooden shingle roof!
This is why towns stink now. There is nothing quite like the stench of hot asphalt in morning... 🤤🙃🤢
I much prefer the smell of "firewood" in the morning, even if it is my neighbors house. 😂
...only my house can have asphalt shingles guys, everyone else must use cedar shingles, and point your fireworks in the opposite direction of me so I can smell the world burn... 🤤🙃😌
@@deanerhar are you sure you need the smell of shingles burning in the morning? Seems to me you could find a good work in a coal locomotive, coaling a steam ship or maybe commited to an asylum.
Imagine using ceramic tiles like the Portuguese, Spanish and all its colonies. It's like some Americans are smart and work for the advance of humanity but the rest are just plain $+vp¡d. I guess it's cheaper and warmer to die in a blaze.
Everyone now is going to metal roofs. No more shingles.
@@suprememasteroftheuniverse In areas where they used clay tiles on roofs it was done out of necessity. There wasn't enough trees to build the homes, much less use them for shingles. That's why so many used mud brick and other materials used to build homes. In the U.S. there was an abundance of trees, so that's what we used. As for your opinion on "stupid Americans," I'm sure there's an equal amount of stupid people in every nation, including yours!
Never seen a shingle saw. Love these old pieces. Just wish the shingles went on the roof that easy!
Love the blade guard.
And yet this old guy has all of his fingers ,amazing isn’t it!
@@LazloNQ And some people don't need it anymore.
I was always taught to use machines and equipment like the safety features were not there. The safer you make something the more complacent people get around it, and that is when terrible things happen. Still today mills have huge saws that could easily cut you in two if not careful, but the people operating it Know that, and always take precautions, mindful, but not afraid, kind of a tradesman code.
Thank you. This film is great work.
I wish we could see a longer HD version of one of these Machines.
My grand parents used the offcut shavings toput in the outhouse to cover every time it was used.
I’m enjoying the sophisticated system of guards and fail-safes
IMAGINE SHOWING UP WITH GOGGLES. EAR PROTECTION A HARD HAT STEEL TOE BOOTS,GLOVES, GREEN GLOW IN THE DARK VEST!!? YOU WOULD BE THE LAUGHING STOCK OF THE WHOLE TOWN MAYBE THE STATE!! AND THEY WOULD SAY TO MUCH SISSY SAUCE ON THAT BOY!! IS WHAT MY GRANDFATHER AND FATHER AND UNCLES WOULD HAVE DEEMED THE GUY A FERRY!!!? THEY CALLED IT CONSTRUCTIVE CRITICISM AND FK YOUR FEELINGS LEAVE THEM HOME WITH THE WOMEN AND BABIES!!???
"safety" as a concept was later invented after the turn of the century.
The failsafe back then, was having 10 kids.
The fact that this awesome dude has all of his fingers is proof he possesses more wisdom than 3/4 of our current population.
(*and I am being generous)
Right at the beginning, notice how he holds the crank to start the tractor all four fingers and his thumb on the same side of the handle. Youngsters, those younger than 70, may not know that if you grab the handle with your thumb on the opposite side, there is a possibility that the engine will backfire, the crank will turn in the opposite direction, and it will break your thumb.
Dude I think you meant to say under 90. It has been an extremely long time since a hand crank was a common feature on engines, and even when they were common loads of people never touched them.
@@uncouthboy8028 Actually Kubota still sells a hand cranked diesel engine. 7hp stationary engines start around 2k USD in Asia brand new.
We had a single mill on the farm when I was a boy love the smell of cedar when your cutting
Single?
Outstanding vid and a great machine!
There was an Old Boy over here in the UK called Jack Hargreaves OBE, who presented two TV programs, Out of Town and Old Country by himself and a children TV program with 4 other presenters which was called How! showing how things worked. He'd have loved to have seen that shingle mill running, his programs focused on country life in the UK from the end of WW2 on, there a page about him on Wikipedia that gives a good rundown of his life ; en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Hargreaves
Plenty of Jacks videos on UA-cam. HOW!!
A childhood favourite, Jack Hargreaves.
@@thecaptain7411 -- I always prefered the hot girl myself. Susan Shanks? Susan Spanks?
@@twatmunro Susan Stranks (agree with description), but she presented Magpie, How! had Bunty James alongside Fred Dinage and - damn, now I'll have too look up the science guy's name. Jon something?
Countryman Jack - fond memories of a great old timer with such a calm and informative demeanour.
the earliest shingles used were made of oak and split by hand. the tree that was used was called the shingle oak because of this.i had a shingle oak in the back yard of my old house and nobody could correctly identify it until i researched the leaf on the internet.the only way to properly identify a oak tree is by the leaf.The lumber of shingle oak is unimportant as a commercial timber tree, although it will be harvested if of sawlog size. The wood is not distinguished from other red oaks. Settlers discovered that it split easily and could be used for shingles or shakes, thus its common name.
thats not true at all
earliest successful shingles were made of chestnut
Any wood can serve as a 'successful shingle, the only difference being in how long they'd last. It's not like people were not going to put a roof on if they didn't have chestnut, they'd just use what was at hand.
I have a few shingle oaks on my place.
@@mwilliamshs We used oak here about 1100 years ago - as shown by a single shingle found in a well a few years ago.
Notice how he knows how to start his tractor without breaking his thumb
I expect that most people who own hand-cranked engines know that...
Come now, that's common knowledge for anyone that's been around hand crank starters. But for those that haven't; you turn it slowly until you get a cylinder on the compression stroke (you'll know because of the increase in resistance), preferably with the handle between 12:30 and 2:30, then you reposition your thumb. DO NOT grip it like a bat or a bottle, but rather put your thumb along side your index finger. This way if the machine kicks back the crank will slip out of your grip. Remember most engines fire before TDC, and most of these engines were to simplistic for an automated timing retarder. Then with a quick motion shove the crank through the rest of the compression stroke, hopefully starting the engine.
With a cold engine I find that leaving the ignition off, activating the choke, and cranking the machine rather quickly for 15-20 seconds, before turning on the ignition and performing the steps listed helps. If requested I can do a video showing and explaining how.
@@richardpenny7813 yeah that sounds really interesting if you can and have a handcrank engine make a tutorial/tip video🌊🌊✌
Man I love Canadians. don't ever change.
Some of the barns I have re roofed had cedar shingles that were well over 120 years pretty crazy
Out of curiosity, were they sawn or split?
@@ErikPukinskis both.
I worked in one of the last old-time big shingle mills, in Washington, in the early 70's. I believe it was from the 30's. In a two story creaking wooden building 200+ feet long was 10 of these saws, just like the one in the video. These were on the second floor. Below, huge logs were hauled from the lake, and bucked into 16" thick slices, then broken into chunks with air chisels.
A conveyor brought upstairs huge blocks of cedar, 50-80 pounds, many cut from 1,000 year old trees 6-8 feet in diameter. My job was to pile those on a big steel deck behind the sawyer to await sawing.Working next to those 10 screaming saws was a nightmare. The volume of the noise is indescribable and was enough to actually make me sick.. It was one of the worst jobs I ever had, I started having horrible dreams after 2 weeks and quit.
I know your pain. Worked in enough workshops to know how annoying constant loud noise can be. But it is mandatory to wear ear protection nowadays. Not sure about 70's.
Its crazy people cut down such magnificent trees, a shame really when there are so many decades old that would do just fine.
Cool as shit. Worked with cedar shakes most of my career . Roof and wall. Love these specialized old machines. Shudder maker cool also. Could all be powered by water wheel
In the mid-70s I heard a little American girl saying that her grandad had a shake mill. It took me some time to find out what it was as I had visions of a flour mill with the DTs! Col, NZ.
I tore down my old home built in 1905. Under a asphalt roof and metal roof was original cedar shakes. Ones protected from exposure were just as pretty as day they were layed. Neat knowing how they were made.
Why bro
Very cool!!!! Love old tools.....
Had no idea id be watching this today, love it
Great machine no doubt . But did anyone notice the studabaker truck behind the folks as they talked ? That a nice looking truck .
1940 Dodge.
The art of making old machines with no computers
At the Port of Everett Marina there is a park where they have information on shingle cutters(the workers). They were easy to recognizes by their multiple missing fingers.
Very good Owen, it looks well looked after. I noticed your thumb whilst cranking, you’re looking after that too. Thanks very much great video.
Cool, i used to work at a shake and shingle mill in British Columbia. Takes me back!
I'm thinking that all that cedar sawdust was used to pack ice sheds to keep the ice cold most of the summer
Or insulating animals sheds, or maybe bedding for some.
There’s a huge saw that’s 100+ years old and i’m staring at those haircuts and her vest.
Ah, the early 90s.
This is great! I wonder if it would be possible to make siding for clapboard houses like this as well?
What about the pick up truck in the background? Superb!
thanks for posting this
That mechanism is super interesting.
All of these machines are terrifying! Those open blades, the giant belt just waiting to grab the unwary. It is amazing that more people didn't lose limbs or die outright.
The people too dumb to work around such machinery weeded themselves out back then.
@@teebob21 ….Now that we’ve (corporate lawyers) have made just about everything safe as can be, we let idiots do all sorts of things. The result…., decreased productivity, shoddy work and the perpetuation of even more idiots. 👍
SUPER AWESOME VIDEO DUDE!!!! thank you for resurrecting it, just watched it at lunch with some guys on the job and we all loved the action of the machine and how it made that basically foolproof to get good, consistent material out of it. We all kinda thought it would be cool to be back before battery operated tools and air compressors and extension cords and shit makin houses that way. We all decided it would be way funner.
yeah, that would be fun. less safety crap but a lot more backbreaking manual labor. lot more time laboring onsite. but that isn't necessarily a bad thing.
would be real interesting to see some of the tools that got put to task back then. i imagine they'd put up some kind of gin pole to set rafters with.
That thing is super cool!
My great grandfather owned the first bandsaw in minnehaha county south Dakota. It was steam powered. I have a stable biult in the 1860s . There are half inch boards in the walls holding concrete so it wouldn't blow away. I'm sure these boards were cut on his band saw. It was still around 40 years ago but has now dissapeared for ever.
Sorry to hear that. Nothing lasts forever, but pictures and stories, and most importantly how and why to do things must be passed down to our children!
A periodic application of linseed oil and pine tar to a wooden shingle roof can make it last 100's if not a thousand years... depending on pitch and quality of shingles/shakes. I bet the oil industry doesn't want you to know about that!
cedar shingles are the best, my friend replaced the 100 year old cottage roof with a tin roof, shingles weren't leaking but had tons of moss and buildup ;-) they did a great job!
That's really neat. I've installed and removed a lot of Cedar Shakes and never knew how they were made back in the day. Thanks!
I don't understand. Where are the gay black disabled minority and the social criticism? Did they call that journalism?
Technically these are shingles. Shakes are hand split and shaven flat and last a bit longer.
@@littlecabininthebigwoods5720 Thanks for the info.
Outlived the town that built it. Nice
Love old machinery and seeing how things were done in yester year
Very impressive. Been putting those on my house as siding . They look beautiful. Nice to see how they are made
Our cape cod style house has a double layer of cedar shingles as siding and it’s awesome looking!
When folks and I moved down from NoCal Trinity Alps to LoCal Los Angeles area brought several bundles (called squares - enough to cover 100 sq. ft.) of shakes and shingles with us. Dad and I (10y.o.) roofed front porch roof and rear corner of house walls. 60 years later roof shakes turned into what I considered equivalent of match sticks waiting for something to happen (replaced now with compo roof) but wall corner still in good condition but much darker. Don't think shakes were true shakes but what dad called combed shingles with small shallow groves.
Walnut was used often in the east and in Europe. It was the favored shingle material going back to the Anglo-Saxons and wooden shingles in place of thatch is one of the methods used to divide Anglo-Saxon from Celtic habitation of a village.
Is this shingle mill still in existence? I would like to get a hold of a mill like this to produce some shingles. I know the footage is old. I grew up in the County but had left by 1994 now live an hour west.
my great grandfather and grandfather used to make shingles with a machine similar to this one , I love running any old belt driven equipment .
look at how that massie starts! easy as pie!
In Australia the preferred timber was Casuarina (commonly called Sheoak. It had a very straight grain and was split by hand.
Sunsets were really beautiful in the 90s
Bonjour, comment s'appelle cette machine ? Merci
Claudy, une machine à fabriquer des bardeaux de toit ou des tavaillons comme on les appelle en France.
For 2 years, the UA-cam Algo
has wanted me to view this.
Finally. Do I win any awards Mr YT Algo?
Dear YT Algo:
How many body parts how been affected
by the big beautiful blade?
In Tennessee, white oak is the product of choice for split shakes. You split on the grain for the best water resistance. Plus white oak has tylosis in the parenchyma cells that retards water entry.There are buildings that I know of that have oak shakes that are 80-100 years old. Sawing is ok, but cutting across the grain opens up the pores an allows water penetration. Having hand split a bunch of white oak shakes by hand with a froe and wood mallet, I can tell you the work is a man killer.
There are average houses that are 100 years old.
100 years is not a big deal anymore.
That giant spinning blade he used to trim them makes me really nervous
Interesting, Bosma is a Frisian name and when he speaks, there's this slight accent that I recognise as being from there in the way syllables with R and L are pronounced. He must have some ancestry from that region. Groetnis út Fryslân! ;)
Of gewoon bij de buren oet grunn
@@hekjeee kan ook inderdaad
does he run the "grain" of the wood the right way???
how old is it and where did it come from?
No computers, just a good eye and brains!
I’d like to see how they sharpened those saw blades
Probably one by one, with a hand file
@@lukasmatejka True,but they had a hand tool to alternate the teeth for the curf.The teeth were offset after sharpening with files.
Would love to buy the old Chevy in the background my dad used to have one and had to get rid of it I want to find him another
How did they film this in the 1870s? I didn’t think motion cameras were available then
Who are the hosts, never heard of the program this is taken from but they look familiar!
Sawdust was often used for packaging, like today's bubble wrap.
Its called excelsior
They didn't use sawdust for packaging. They used the shavings which were called excelsior.
I have one that was made by Waterous Engine Works in Brantford Canada. PATD. 1874
Is thisfrom the Prairie Farm Report?
Purrs like a kitten!😃 Thanks
Good morning to all from SE Louisiana 27 Jun 22.
Imagine all of the horrific accidents people have had with machines like that!! 😖😳
My grandfather had a sawbench very much like that, belt driven from his tractor. Probably safer than the 60 Navy Cuts he smoked every day.
That’s breathing in more smoke than air
@@servicetrucker5564 He did give that up at 62. Breathing air that is.
@@steveg2479 Damn
Thanks for sharing
i think the recording is from about the 1870´s too
Can I rent that machine ? I need to replace some cedar siding on my house. About 6 squares. I have the cedar trees already.
You can use a froe and mallet and split your own. Hard work but it makes shingles much cheaper.
@@tinkeralexander5639 this also makes longer-lasting shingles, as the grain lies flatter. Look up other videos on UA-cam to see how it’s done. There are quite a few. It’s worth gathering a work party of like-minded enthusiasts though!
That's cool! I live in Galt now; I wonder where the company that made it was located?
I too live in Galt now! Was really interesting to hear that it was made here all those years ago!
Goldie & McCulloch Co. 65 Grand Ave. S., Cambridge, Waterloo Region, Ontario... Currently the called The Gaslight District. found a hand drawn picture of the building from the late 1800's, and a photograph from the early 1900's, and if you look at satellite/street view (as of 6-29-22) you can see the raised roof section of the North wing, the remains of the building in the courtyard and the split between the buildings on the East wing that was added later. Redevelopment has altered the building, but it's still standing for you to enjoy.
@@RadRidesByCru very cool. I walk by those buildings a few times a week with the dog. Should have known it was them! My company has actually done some of the environmental work related to their redevelopment!
Scary looking machines if you aren’t paying close attention. No safety gear designed into those old machines. Very cool mechanisms though….
Them old machines had the best and most versatile form of safety installed...
It's called "common sense"...
But it's not used very often these days....
Not every carpenter with 10 fingers has common sense.
That’s a foolish assumption.
Even the original reel of this video is 32 years old now.
I can't believe this was filmed in 1870
Owen was born closer in time to the shingle machine than to now.
Those were the good old days !
Australian Cedar is Rich red and Can produce a lot of sap but is strong as Hell and burns so well, I made a red cedar baseball bat and was heavy as iron and it was hard as to !
Not sure what species you're talking about. Just fiy it's not real cedar. There are only 4 cedars that grow in middle East, the rest are pines and trees that have name "cedar". Those real cedars are quite soft, but very durable in terms of rot and insect attacks.
It’s part of history, but it’s not like these things aren’t being made still. In fact I am working for a guy out of oregon who owns a shingle mill in Siletz oregon. Everything is run off electricity now but his saws look and work just like this one with some other minor upgrades. Hearing that this saw is used in shows and stuff is interesting, I can’t wait to tell him that his equipment belongs in a museum lol.
I've never seen how "cedar shakes" were made. Thanks for the education. 👍
9 year old video
now in algorithm
why?
The mysteries of the universe... 🤷🏻♀️
And every comment is from the last 5 days
Where can I order Owen Bosma shingles?
That equipment also kept the local doctor in business.
Or undertaker.
and that is the proper way to crank an engine!
That is correct Many old timers have broke or lost a thumb by holding the crank wrong while cranking the engine
I learned the hard way!
Gee Dubb Me too, I blacked my eye when the handle snatched back. It was kinda funny though.
looking back it's kinda funny. My dad was so pissed at me because I was told not to crank it and I did anyway. I was soaking my arm in the livestock water tank and it didn't help so he made my mom take me to the hospital where I was fitted with a cast for two month. Oh, the dumb things we do when we're young! I don't crank anything bigger than a chainsaw. Almost 50 years later and I still remember the pain! LOL!
Too true. These days I dont lean over the starting handle just in case it does kick back and never wrap my thumb around the handle either.
Very cool video.
Great video, my new friend