@@Quotenwagnerianer it's just vain showmanship. Every single thing he does is simply to push forward his own idea of what "emotional" would be, with no regard to the overall cohesiveness of the music.
@@lolbruh1170 Indeed. And the most agregious thing to me is that he doesn't seem to have the slightest ear for what the instrument is doing. As an example, it makes a complete difference when I play some of the stuff I play on my old upright piano at home or whether I play it on a Steinway Grand with perfectly maintained mechanics. When I play with the same intensity, my home piano overstresses and sounds clangy and so I have to tone it down. On the Steinway it sounds bold and I could try to play with even more force without the sound suffering. You always have to adapt your playing to the instrument. He doesn't seem to do that.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Personally, I like it. The timbre being pushed to the brink of ugliness fits well given how incredibly dramatic and almost pained the climax of the piece feels.
Quite an interesting subject because a lot of the time, I find it unnecessarily takes away from the main theme with not much interest either. But in this case, the dialog between the two is indeed very interesting and musical.
Because they don't exists in the music. They're added by the pianist because the pianist has no care at all about the music itself and simply wants to be unique for the sake of uniqueness. It's like recording a novel for an audiobook, and selectively emphasizing words in the sentences to create a new sentence. It's complete incoherent trash. It's amateur stuff. In fact, even I when I was an amateur thought of using it and did use it. It quite *literally* is something only an amatuer would do. And sultanov properly qualifies as one.
@@lolbruh1170clearly you misunderstand the purpose of art and of the performance of music. Music like this that is performed will have many interpretations and with that includes emphasis on some parts not usually emphasized not for the sake of being unique but more likely for artistic reasons. Take it as looking at the piece through a different lense. Im not saying you have to like it but realize that these modifications to the original notion of the piece's performance are just a part of the personality of the performance which is somewhat inevitably included in a performance. Sometimes the personality of the composer and performer clash. And to be honest, thinking further, the added counter melody does somewhat distract from what the piece originally intends but as another consequence it brings a more fresh take.
They're not marked, and totally unobvious, so possibly not intended or at least not intended to emerge from the texture. If I were writing this, I'd at least put a tenuto on the notes in question to draw attention to them but not going as far as an accent, if that's what I wanted. Great piece!
Never clicked on a notification faster... Thanks for exposing your audience to the soundworld of Scriabin! Please seriously consider making a video on his later music - it's so rewarding to see how tightly written his short-form works are. Op 32/1 is a great example and a personal favorite :)
@@skylarlimex @skylarlimex I'd recommend scriabin's sonata 10, the parts between 7:11 - 8:30 (Referring to ashkenazy recording) You could even call it something baity like "this is what eldrich sounds like"
This is especially funny because Scriabin believed aesthetic pleasures like music and sex to be inextricably linked, so it's not unlikely that climaxing all over the etude was his intention lmfao
My favorite Scriabin piece! Possibly one of my top favorite etudes ever, too. Only a handful of pieces can ever make me tear up, and this is definitely one that can. (and did again)
It's also notable that at 0:56, Sultanov (the performer in this recording) takes the A# in the left hand down an octave to further increase the impact of this cadence.
i cant believe people saying horowitz,or anyone else is better than sultanov in this piece.This playing is imo the most perfect it can get.Such an underrated pianist in my opinion.His playing of mephisto waltz is incredible too..
Inconsistent dynamics, random rubato, bunch of added bass notes for the sake of vain theatric effect with no regard to context. Use of the amateur technique of adding new polyphonic voices through already present notes... Seems far from "the most perfect it can get" seems more like jingling keys to a childish audience.
@@lolbruh1170 i forgot to say its just my opinion,sorry its pleasant to listen to,and nobody else can give that agonizing insanity feeling sultanov can give here.If you think technicality is what matters the most,reason i dont like horowitz recording is the way he changes dynamics immediately.The feeling is completely lost when he does that. I believe what matters most is how the playing makes you feel,having fun when listening to it. I respect your opinion
@@potatohunter3763 that's where our opinions differ. In my eyes, the matter of how you feel when listening is only vain, to me what matters most is that the music is elevated and its greatness is intensified by the performer. I have no issues if the pianist wants to perform the piece emotionally, so long as they do so while still keeping a steady grip on the music, justifying your interpretation through consistency and deliberation. It feels to me that sultanov is only emotional, with absolutely no perspective on the music itself. I find his performance to be childish, to be lacking in any form of elegance or thought. He is showy, bombastic, loud, and agitated, and he is nothing more. Some may find that more emotionally captivating, but I simply find it to be vain and egotistical.
sultanovs will always be my favorite. some parts are a bit fast for my personal liking, however the dynamic power and that hidden counter melody he brings out is unmatched, never heard another quite like it
@@usurpationofmusic4596 some competitions are far more lenient than others. Often all you need is to be an amateur with a master's technique to succeed it seems.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 love when incompetent pianists ruin the music they're playing by adding new voices to it with existing notes. Maybe they should take a few more classes of counterpoint instead of following gimmicky ideas of the likes of literal amateurs.The playing is extremely vain. It's all trying too hard to be emotional, to the sacrifice of the coherency of the music itself. It's something that'll get people to soyjack at it and nothing more. Performances like this not only disrespectful to music, but devalue music as an artform. The pianist should serve the music, like a 5 star chef cooking a classic meal to perfection, they shouldn't bastardize it and make it an unappetizing mess of sugar and oil for the sake of some tasteless fools. Leave that kind of fast food quality stuff to tiktok musicians or scam pianists that constantly try to sell their course.
@@perpendicularfifths7312 they're not just doing that. When you accentuate notes like that, it creates a new polyphonic voice, which not only distracts from the rest of the music, but completely messes up the form of the music itself, it's as I wrote with highlighting words in a novel to create a new sentence. It makes the music incoherent. You should be able to tell too, though you may just be blinded by the novelty of the gimmick.
@@harryjohnston3721 how dare someone criticise art. I'll have you know art is my religion, and that any criticism of art is therefore an attack on my beliefs! You think art is objective? I'll have you know that it is only subjective, and the fact that you dare say my 6 year old nephew is not as good at playing the piano as rachmaninoff is heresy! It completely goes against my belief that everyone should get participation trophies.
This is Scriabin's etude op. 8 no. 12 if anybody was wondering
Ahh yes thanks for reminding me, I've put it in the description as well.
Thank you. His music is very difficult.
Like a Chopin etude, to play it you have to be at the top level already! (So its purpose is to keep you there...)
And it's by Sultanov
Sultanov’s interpretation is mindblowing. Other Pianists play Scriabin well, but he reinvents him.
Personally I think he is overdoing it. The piano can't keep up and all you get is banging and clanging.
@@Quotenwagnerianer it's just vain showmanship. Every single thing he does is simply to push forward his own idea of what "emotional" would be, with no regard to the overall cohesiveness of the music.
@@lolbruh1170 Indeed. And the most agregious thing to me is that he doesn't seem to have the slightest ear for what the instrument is doing.
As an example, it makes a complete difference when I play some of the stuff I play on my old upright piano at home or whether I play it on a Steinway Grand with perfectly maintained mechanics.
When I play with the same intensity, my home piano overstresses and sounds clangy and so I have to tone it down.
On the Steinway it sounds bold and I could try to play with even more force without the sound suffering.
You always have to adapt your playing to the instrument. He doesn't seem to do that.
@@Quotenwagnerianer Personally, I like it. The timbre being pushed to the brink of ugliness fits well given how incredibly dramatic and almost pained the climax of the piece feels.
@@Distractionalist It's just that he steps over that brink. It gets all muddy in texture.
To me that is just tasteless.
Never heard those inner counter melodies. It's always a pleasure to hear them
agreed! very astute and satisfying work from Sultanov
Quite an interesting subject because a lot of the time, I find it unnecessarily takes away from the main theme with not much interest either. But in this case, the dialog between the two is indeed very interesting and musical.
Because they don't exists in the music. They're added by the pianist because the pianist has no care at all about the music itself and simply wants to be unique for the sake of uniqueness. It's like recording a novel for an audiobook, and selectively emphasizing words in the sentences to create a new sentence. It's complete incoherent trash. It's amateur stuff. In fact, even I when I was an amateur thought of using it and did use it. It quite *literally* is something only an amatuer would do. And sultanov properly qualifies as one.
@@lolbruh1170clearly you misunderstand the purpose of art and of the performance of music. Music like this that is performed will have many interpretations and with that includes emphasis on some parts not usually emphasized not for the sake of being unique but more likely for artistic reasons. Take it as looking at the piece through a different lense. Im not saying you have to like it but realize that these modifications to the original notion of the piece's performance are just a part of the personality of the performance which is somewhat inevitably included in a performance. Sometimes the personality of the composer and performer clash.
And to be honest, thinking further, the added counter melody does somewhat distract from what the piece originally intends but as another consequence it brings a more fresh take.
They're not marked, and totally unobvious, so possibly not intended or at least not intended to emerge from the texture. If I were writing this, I'd at least put a tenuto on the notes in question to draw attention to them but not going as far as an accent, if that's what I wanted.
Great piece!
Never clicked on a notification faster... Thanks for exposing your audience to the soundworld of Scriabin! Please seriously consider making a video on his later music - it's so rewarding to see how tightly written his short-form works are. Op 32/1 is a great example and a personal favorite :)
Ahh yes, op32/1 is one of my favourites too! So poetic, and lovely to see a similar inspiration texturally from Chopin's nocturne op15/2
@@skylarlimex @skylarlimex I'd recommend scriabin's sonata 10, the parts between 7:11 - 8:30
(Referring to ashkenazy recording)
You could even call it something baity like "this is what eldrich sounds like"
I like the part where Scriabin climaxed all over the etude
@@Tainokreba that's crazy
No because my teacher made the same joke when I played this etude
This is especially funny because Scriabin believed aesthetic pleasures like music and sex to be inextricably linked, so it's not unlikely that climaxing all over the etude was his intention lmfao
I haven't clicked on a video this quickly before . Scriabin is my fav composer and I'm so happy you chose one of my favourite pieces of his ❤
This recording is insane
I can’t help but feel like applauding when ever I hear this piece finish. I would greatly appreciate more Scriabin!
My favorite Scriabin piece! Possibly one of my top favorite etudes ever, too. Only a handful of pieces can ever make me tear up, and this is definitely one that can. (and did again)
had so much fun playing that. Scriabin's op.28 has some beautiful passages too
Petition for Scriabin 4th by Pogorelich
Great video, as always!
Thanks a lot!
scriabin analysis!!! this is great.... such powerful music... I LOVE the inner lines :0
The harmony here is incredibly interesting.
Thank you!
It's also notable that at 0:56, Sultanov (the performer in this recording) takes the A# in the left hand down an octave to further increase the impact of this cadence.
That piano got absolutely pounded
@@fabptitpom hence the title
scriabin so goated
Spasmic and surreal is how I would describe his music. It's like getting punched in the face repeatedly with an elegance you just have to respect.
We need some more scriabin, i'd suggest the climax from his brilliant fantaisie.
second that!!!!
scriabin
AYOOOO
Scriabin be freaky
There's another amazing climax in Undine from Gaspard de la Nuit (Ravel). I'd say around minute 4:30
Magnificent!
Horowitz interpretation is breathtaking as well
i could probably not play this on the piano
Bro, can u make a similar video about his 5th Sonata and Vers la flamme?
Sultanov is great
Sultanov is so based.
(Waiting for wim alt)...
@@Xzy_158 He already commented on my last video. xD So annoying sometimes.
@@Xzy_158wait WIM has an alt?
@@KaikhosruShapurjiMedtner nah some1 just joked that cos they were behaving like him
@@Xzy_158 oh ok
Do you have any plans to analyse Scriabin's late works such as Sonata No.5 or even later works?
I am always amazed at your videos, appreciate it.
@@biko45 I was planning to do no.5 actually and I still want to do it, so stay tuned!
@@skylarlimex Thank you very much! I'm looking forward your next videos.
i cant believe people saying horowitz,or anyone else is better than sultanov in this piece.This playing is imo the most perfect it can get.Such an underrated pianist in my opinion.His playing of mephisto waltz is incredible too..
Inconsistent dynamics, random rubato, bunch of added bass notes for the sake of vain theatric effect with no regard to context. Use of the amateur technique of adding new polyphonic voices through already present notes...
Seems far from "the most perfect it can get" seems more like jingling keys to a childish audience.
@@lolbruh1170 i forgot to say its just my opinion,sorry
its pleasant to listen to,and nobody else can give that agonizing insanity feeling sultanov can give here.If you think technicality is what matters the most,reason i dont like horowitz recording is the way he changes dynamics immediately.The feeling is completely lost when he does that.
I believe what matters most is how the playing makes you feel,having fun when listening to it.
I respect your opinion
@@lolbruh1170 also damn you really hate the guy,i see you typing stupid shit everywhere in the comment section.
@@potatohunter3763 that's where our opinions differ. In my eyes, the matter of how you feel when listening is only vain, to me what matters most is that the music is elevated and its greatness is intensified by the performer. I have no issues if the pianist wants to perform the piece emotionally, so long as they do so while still keeping a steady grip on the music, justifying your interpretation through consistency and deliberation. It feels to me that sultanov is only emotional, with absolutely no perspective on the music itself. I find his performance to be childish, to be lacking in any form of elegance or thought. He is showy, bombastic, loud, and agitated, and he is nothing more. Some may find that more emotionally captivating, but I simply find it to be vain and egotistical.
SULTANOV'S RECORDING!!!!!!
Love Sultanov's recording of this piece, as well as Horowitz's. Both scale the piece tenfold with their dramatic playing
Based
Heard the first few bars and immediatly knew that it was Sultanov. Not the best recording imo but very powerful and recognizable!
u shouldve kept in the scream in the end lmao
😆😆😆i was wondering who would notice
Sultanov was the only one who could played this even better that Horowitz ❤
What’s circle with slash symbol mean
@@bobertrobertson130 it's a half diminished chord
Darn, you left out the scream at the end
What can I say.
Solid Chopin plus Tchaikovsky.
And no Arensky or Glazunov.
Not to mention Dunayevsky!
Did not use the mystery chord?
It's early Scriabin.
Scriabin's _what??_
Yup you read it right
Seriously, left hand??
sultanovs will always be my favorite. some parts are a bit fast for my personal liking, however the dynamic power and that hidden counter melody he brings out is unmatched, never heard another quite like it
Because most pianists wouldn't willingly decide to play like an amateur would.
@@lolbruh1170 yeah you’re right only amateurs win gold at the van Cliburn competition (no one cares about your opinion)
@@usurpationofmusic4596 some competitions are far more lenient than others. Often all you need is to be an amateur with a master's technique to succeed it seems.
Sultanov's
so glad you picked this recording by Sultanov. I love the enourmous soundscape he can produce.
Sounds orchestral in fact
"Soundscape" seems to be a modern art buzzword for incoherent mess of noise.
Nah, he ruined this part for me. Horowitz still has the best version of this from all the other interpretations I've herad.
Freaky ass title bruh 💀
Let's call this the "ImBetterThanTheOthersBigEgo" counterpoint
Horowitz?
@@clairy_music this is Sultanov
Sultanov’s version is the best by far
Sorry Horowitz! 😅
You just like it the most. It is leaps and bounds away from being "the best".
@@lolbruh1170 wim, people aren’t gonna fall for your bait just because you switched accounts.
🤣🤣🤣🤣 love when incompetent pianists ruin the music they're playing by adding new voices to it with existing notes. Maybe they should take a few more classes of counterpoint instead of following gimmicky ideas of the likes of literal amateurs.The playing is extremely vain. It's all trying too hard to be emotional, to the sacrifice of the coherency of the music itself. It's something that'll get people to soyjack at it and nothing more.
Performances like this not only disrespectful to music, but devalue music as an artform. The pianist should serve the music, like a 5 star chef cooking a classic meal to perfection, they shouldn't bastardize it and make it an unappetizing mess of sugar and oil for the sake of some tasteless fools. Leave that kind of fast food quality stuff to tiktok musicians or scam pianists that constantly try to sell their course.
this is so crazy. to be mad at someone bringing out notes that are in the music
@@perpendicularfifths7312 they're not just doing that. When you accentuate notes like that, it creates a new polyphonic voice, which not only distracts from the rest of the music, but completely messes up the form of the music itself, it's as I wrote with highlighting words in a novel to create a new sentence. It makes the music incoherent. You should be able to tell too, though you may just be blinded by the novelty of the gimmick.
lol get out of here wim alt
@@harryjohnston3721 how dare someone criticise art. I'll have you know art is my religion, and that any criticism of art is therefore an attack on my beliefs! You think art is objective? I'll have you know that it is only subjective, and the fact that you dare say my 6 year old nephew is not as good at playing the piano as rachmaninoff is heresy! It completely goes against my belief that everyone should get participation trophies.
@@beshepman7963 bro can't detect sarcasm