This pinball looks darn solid. Best thing since labyrinth ive seen. We all know xmen has the gottlieb playfield and that muzac and bad animations. I wouldn't consider that until its fully complete and we know what the heck were actually getting. This looks mostly complete and full game. And a full experience. Lights call out movie assets. Music all immersive.
@@pinballlover agreed. The market is still a bit frothy, but I just got a really good deal on a NIB LE. I think prices will be coming down next year. Just got to be patient. I have been seeing a lot of liquidation in a lot of different hobbies this year. I think during the pandemic people over bought a lot of things and now need the cash.
@@pinballloverdepends, looking at this to foo fighters, foos is alot neater and I can breakdown everything that connects to each other. With avatar by the looks of it, I wouldn't be able to fix a problem without pully many other things out.
The game is beautiful. Can't take that away from JJP.. Having said that - I watched you play and none of it seemed like an exciting experience. Was more like a 'pinball strategy' game where you are hitting targets strategically to make things 'happen'. I saw a number of shots attempted and not made. This is not a reflection on you as you are a good player - even though it's new for you - it seems difficult to make the shots and get immersed in excitement. I was about to pull the trigger on Elton John Collectors edition - but waited to see the play of Avatar. As simple as Elton is - it's immersive and an exciting play. Just my .02 of course - I really appreciate you doing the video. The marketing video from JJP had me really into it.. May purchase, but going to get an Elton first. Thanks for the video!
I dunno man I still think its uncanny x-men. You feeling good about Avatar CE? X-men is just so unique, brings something to the collection that no other game can. I think X-men will be very, very popular. The stream was kind of a disaster but most importantly it looks like it shot amazingly. Stern will work on the code. There are definitely a lot of shots on Avatar, but we have seen again and again that more shots and flippers just isn't necessarily more fun and a better game. Seems quite clunky but how did it feel? I think I would rather have Elton John than this, and that can be had for $13k already.
Xmen is unique for stern but for pinball generally there's nothing new or unique about it. Every feature has been ripped off from other games. Different in pinball rarely ever translates to better. Hence why we rarely get designs that sway too far from the norm. But... buy what you dig.
I got both Xmen and avatar and sold hobbit and scooby. Elton’s great and coded very good. With more code avatar could beat Elton I think in shots at least.
@@pinballlover OK well that solves the dilemma! I thought I saw you say you cancelled X-men. I really want a JJP I am just having a hard time deciding which one. Kind of holding out for the one with the boy from England :)
@@johneldridge1345 bit cynical to say that there is nothing new or unique about x-men. It seems to me like the most unique playfield since like the 80s. Seems to shoot really well and has cool toys, but if it sucks it sucks. We are like 60 years into pinball design I think it is impossible to come up with some wholly original. But I don't think we have ever seen the figure 8 or crossover to under flippers to side playfield shots that x-men has. I applaud the creativity and am glad Stern like Jack Danger cook and do a cool playfield.
@colemangreen4191 yes I probably was a little harsh. My concern with JD games is the precedent set with FF. Initially applauded but it changes hands on the 2nd hand market like hot potatoes. Agree that hi deserves kudos for bringing back older designs outside the square. He definitely hasn't invented anything new. Like I said sometimes different doesn't mean better, and sometimes less is more. It's why games like iron man , metallica, and iron maiden are enduring titles. Nothing overly outrageous about them but they kill for popularity.
UV was the most interesting feature, but marketing seemed to amp up the effect with potential UV bulbs not included in game. Also ramps are usually important shots in the game and I think I only saw one complete ramp shot on the right. Even from the trailer that left ramp looks like it bricks quite a lot.
Thanks for the first look, so pumped to flip this
This pinball looks darn solid. Best thing since labyrinth ive seen. We all know xmen has the gottlieb playfield and that muzac and bad animations. I wouldn't consider that until its fully complete and we know what the heck were actually getting. This looks mostly complete and full game. And a full experience. Lights call out movie assets. Music all immersive.
Again $12k and $15k price tag way too much. No mechs and just doesn’t look all that fun. They really should have put in an upper playfield.
Yup way overpriced. Not sure who this pin is really for in the first place from a price point. That being it’s a beautiful looking pin.
All pins are overpriced now nib but if you see everything this has underneath it’s a better value then sterns.
@@pinballlover agreed. The market is still a bit frothy, but I just got a really good deal on a NIB LE. I think prices will be coming down next year. Just got to be patient. I have been seeing a lot of liquidation in a lot of different hobbies this year. I think during the pandemic people over bought a lot of things and now need the cash.
@@pinballloverdepends, looking at this to foo fighters, foos is alot neater and I can breakdown everything that connects to each other. With avatar by the looks of it, I wouldn't be able to fix a problem without pully many other things out.
@@pinballloverit is not😂
The game is beautiful. Can't take that away from JJP.. Having said that - I watched you play and none of it seemed like an exciting experience. Was more like a 'pinball strategy' game where you are hitting targets strategically to make things 'happen'. I saw a number of shots attempted and not made. This is not a reflection on you as you are a good player - even though it's new for you - it seems difficult to make the shots and get immersed in excitement. I was about to pull the trigger on Elton John Collectors edition - but waited to see the play of Avatar. As simple as Elton is - it's immersive and an exciting play. Just my .02 of course - I really appreciate you doing the video. The marketing video from JJP had me really into it.. May purchase, but going to get an Elton first. Thanks for the video!
I thought the same thing. Looked pretty boring. Lights look incredible though.
Wow incredible ❤
Cant wait for my CE
thanks for show the interior of the cab!
You bet!
Nice STI, I had a 21 and sold it for a vb 23.
So do the shots feel good or not? I find John Wick very bad. I brick a ton on that game.
Shots are good I just need more time in it to get the shots. This is 5x better than Wick.
Gorgeous game
I dunno man I still think its uncanny x-men. You feeling good about Avatar CE? X-men is just so unique, brings something to the collection that no other game can. I think X-men will be very, very popular. The stream was kind of a disaster but most importantly it looks like it shot amazingly. Stern will work on the code. There are definitely a lot of shots on Avatar, but we have seen again and again that more shots and flippers just isn't necessarily more fun and a better game. Seems quite clunky but how did it feel? I think I would rather have Elton John than this, and that can be had for $13k already.
Xmen is unique for stern but for pinball generally there's nothing new or unique about it. Every feature has been ripped off from other games. Different in pinball rarely ever translates to better. Hence why we rarely get designs that sway too far from the norm. But... buy what you dig.
I got both Xmen and avatar and sold hobbit and scooby. Elton’s great and coded very good. With more code avatar could beat Elton I think in shots at least.
@@pinballlover OK well that solves the dilemma! I thought I saw you say you cancelled X-men. I really want a JJP I am just having a hard time deciding which one. Kind of holding out for the one with the boy from England :)
@@johneldridge1345 bit cynical to say that there is nothing new or unique about x-men. It seems to me like the most unique playfield since like the 80s. Seems to shoot really well and has cool toys, but if it sucks it sucks. We are like 60 years into pinball design I think it is impossible to come up with some wholly original. But I don't think we have ever seen the figure 8 or crossover to under flippers to side playfield shots that x-men has. I applaud the creativity and am glad Stern like Jack Danger cook and do a cool playfield.
@colemangreen4191 yes I probably was a little harsh. My concern with JD games is the precedent set with FF. Initially applauded but it changes hands on the 2nd hand market like hot potatoes. Agree that hi deserves kudos for bringing back older designs outside the square. He definitely hasn't invented anything new. Like I said sometimes different doesn't mean better, and sometimes less is more. It's why games like iron man , metallica, and iron maiden are enduring titles. Nothing overly outrageous about them but they kill for popularity.
I was interested in avatar, but now looking at it, im very underwhelmed even gnr was a more hype then this one
worst jjp. wait until they start to come out and get one for thousands less.
UV was the most interesting feature, but marketing seemed to amp up the effect with potential UV bulbs not included in game. Also ramps are usually important shots in the game and I think I only saw one complete ramp shot on the right. Even from the trailer that left ramp looks like it bricks quite a lot.
That is false marketing.. amping up the UV ink lighting on the playfield with an external UV light source is bad practice imho
@@Toxici JJP likes to check all the boxes on bad practices, like changing warranty half way through production