Andreas Lubitz (Germanwings Flight 9525) | Mental Health & Personality

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2020
  • This video answers the question: Can I analyze the mental health and personality factors that may be at work the case of Andreas Lubitz (co-pilot of Germanwings Flight 9525)?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 603

  • @laureng8743
    @laureng8743 3 роки тому +392

    can’t even imagine the panic that you’d feel being on a flight and watching the pilot try to axe down the cockpit door. Such a tragedy that this happened.

    • @user-zr9hu3tf1y
      @user-zr9hu3tf1y 3 роки тому +41

      holy shit I was so busy being sad for the people and mad at the guy for taking others with him i didn't even think about that, that's an absolutely terrifying thing to point out

    • @maiskitty
      @maiskitty 3 роки тому +16

      I was thinking the exact same thing.....

    • @laureng8743
      @laureng8743 3 роки тому +15

      @@user-zr9hu3tf1y it’s such a shame that he either intentionally, or unintentionally, felt that he had the right to take others with him like that :(

    • @matth5734
      @matth5734 3 роки тому +34

      Yes, and the poor captain's initial feeling of horror when realizing he was locked out. After September 11, they strengthened cockpit doors to keep out intruders, but this came with a cost.

    • @user-zr9hu3tf1y
      @user-zr9hu3tf1y 3 роки тому +18

      @@laureng8743 yes and the image you painted emphasizes the cruel aspect of them having to slowly realize their fate and not at least having the luxury of it happening quickly enough to spare them that anguish and terror :(

  • @twister4489
    @twister4489 3 роки тому +140

    I am an airline captain of 35 years and I can remember several times that I was not comfortable leaving the first officer alone, so I didn’t.

    • @DrLuke49
      @DrLuke49 3 роки тому +30

      **ALWAYS** listen to your instincts

    • @basically9751
      @basically9751 3 роки тому +2

      Yeah, you're definitely 55+ years old. lmao

    • @twister4489
      @twister4489 3 роки тому +35

      @@basically9751 I am 55. I started flying at 13 and was in the left seat at a regional airline at 20. I have flown for 6 different airlines as well as several private jet gigs, just like many other pilots. It’s not all that unusual.

    • @sistersarah2874
      @sistersarah2874 3 роки тому +2

      Strange choice of name and profile picture, captain.

    • @twister4489
      @twister4489 3 роки тому +13

      @@sistersarah2874 Well we all have choices....at least for the time being. If you knew me personally it wouldn’t surprise you....

  • @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT
    @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 3 роки тому +295

    Can't imagine anything more terrifying than being on a plane piloted by a suicidal pilot.

    • @Babeiloveyouso
      @Babeiloveyouso 3 роки тому +15

      Drowning scares the hell out of me

    • @watersandblue6001
      @watersandblue6001 3 роки тому

      😪😪

    • @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT
      @DEPARTMENTOFREDUNDANCYDEPT 3 роки тому +10

      @@Babeiloveyouso That would be close second, along with being eaten by a predator.

    • @user-zr9hu3tf1y
      @user-zr9hu3tf1y 3 роки тому +9

      what about being on a plane, piloted by a suicidal pilot, who specifically has just set the autopilot for 100 feet altitude and bumped the speed up to 435 mph

    • @claudiap.6838
      @claudiap.6838 3 роки тому +9

      I just had a nightmare where this happened to me. The last 5 seconds where I realized it was going to be over took a long time and it was terrifying.

  • @mattj65816
    @mattj65816 3 роки тому +283

    I had pretty strong suicidal thoughts at a couple points much earlier in my life, but even at my darkest, there’s no way I’d ever have allowed myself to take others with me. From a layman’s perspective it seems there was something completely independent from depression at play here. Very interesting watch.

    • @Fumi007
      @Fumi007 3 роки тому +58

      I work in mental health and I had a gentleman who wanted to jump off a bridge. I wasn’t his caseworker at the time, but when I asked him why he changed his mind, he said he didn’t want to cause an accident by landing on a car or somebody swerving to avoid hitting him. I honestly think he simply didn’t want to die that day, But his rationale was interesting. He could’ve made not killing himself all about himself, which would be appropriate, but he chose to think of others.

    • @emilia3310
      @emilia3310 3 роки тому +33

      Because you have a good heart and a conscience. I sincerely wish you nothing but happiness and may those dark days never come back! 🍀😊

    • @LDiamondz
      @LDiamondz 3 роки тому +18

      I agree. Typically a non violent person would only think of taking their own life. Possibly being psychotic with deep depression, may have allowed him to commit this terrible act? This vid really got me thinking.
      I'm really glad you got through your depression, in your younger days. I did, as well. Those were some dark times. Not easy. Glad you made it! ❤

    • @mattj65816
      @mattj65816 3 роки тому +19

      @@Fumi007 it’s interesting you’d mention that. I had similar thoughts as well. We had a couple very tall bridges over a harbor in the city where I lived at the time. But if I jumped off a bridge over water like that, what if some kid on the beach found me a week later? It could ruin his life. Lots of thoughts like that. And I think you are right, it may have been indicative of a person who was not really ready to die. It also may have been a self defense or coping mechanism. It feels that way when I look back on it.
      Thankfully, those coping mechanisms (and whatever else) got me through to better days.

    • @mattj65816
      @mattj65816 3 роки тому +5

      @@emilia3310 you are kind, thank you.

  • @amicamio2435
    @amicamio2435 3 роки тому +184

    As a German I remember when this happened a friend of mine knew someone that was on that flight thank you for covering this.

    • @SF-eo6xf
      @SF-eo6xf 3 роки тому +16

      I remember when it happened. It still upsets me.

    • @danieladeutsch1708
      @danieladeutsch1708 3 роки тому +7

      Das ist sehr traurig. Mein Beileid.

    • @SF-eo6xf
      @SF-eo6xf 3 роки тому

      @@dirtymikentheboys5817 what?

    • @dirtymikentheboys5817
      @dirtymikentheboys5817 3 роки тому +1

      @@SF-eo6xf pocket reply

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 3 роки тому

      @@dirtymikentheboys5817 What do you want me to reply to? ;-)

  • @rejaneoliveira5019
    @rejaneoliveira5019 3 роки тому +79

    Your videos have literally become part of my life.
    1- wake up
    2- have breakfast
    3- go to work
    4- work
    5- come back from work
    6- watch Dr. Grande’s video
    Thank you for another great analysis!❤️

    • @sassysally2995
      @sassysally2995 3 роки тому +1

      Same ☺️

    • @cpeace3172
      @cpeace3172 3 роки тому +2

      Same

    • @ooPETERo
      @ooPETERo 3 роки тому +1

      What about lunch and dinner?

    • @justmeagain7
      @justmeagain7 7 місяців тому

      I think most of us watch him before going to sleep. I watch him while flossing and brushing my teeth before bed.

  • @karipeterspassing4816
    @karipeterspassing4816 3 роки тому +153

    Dr Grande could you please analyze my mother? She’s not famous but she’s driving me crazy.

    • @bjoernschneider7762
      @bjoernschneider7762 3 роки тому +14

      🤣Mine made me crazy. As psychoanalysts say: "it's always the mother ..."

    • @gianfrancofini
      @gianfrancofini 3 роки тому +7

      Lol good one

    • @olanrewaju8202
      @olanrewaju8202 3 роки тому +4

      😂

    • @kateps1874
      @kateps1874 2 роки тому +7

      Funny! But seriously, once a parent has passed away, the regret bonanza begins...every disagreement, clash of values, eye-rolling moment you ever had with them becomes moot, and you just want them back with all your heart. Handle parents with care, even when and *especially* when they're wrong about something.

    • @betsyr4724
      @betsyr4724 2 роки тому +2

      Lol. Sorry but that’s funny

  • @a.j.p.9190
    @a.j.p.9190 3 роки тому +116

    Interesting mental health and personality analysis.
    As a native German living near Düsseldorf this case is especially captivating.

    • @collinsolanrewaju9283
      @collinsolanrewaju9283 3 роки тому +2

      Ich hatte vor ein Jahr in Mönchengladbach gelebt, bevor ich nach Liverpool England umgezogen habe hahaha was für ein Zufall Düsseldorf war mein Lieblingstadt zu besuchen. 😜

    • @germansnowman
      @germansnowman 3 роки тому +3

      I actually lived in Haltern am See, where many of the victims went to school, for eight years. I have friends who went to school there and others whose children went there.

    • @natalikronwald6177
      @natalikronwald6177 2 роки тому +2

      @@collinsolanrewaju9283 the English grammar logic showing in your German sentences are kinda cute :D

    • @collinsolanrewaju9283
      @collinsolanrewaju9283 2 роки тому +1

      @@natalikronwald6177 hahahahahaha trying ma best XP

  • @filibuster8760
    @filibuster8760 3 роки тому +90

    That was such tragedy. Heartbreaking.

    • @Ron4885
      @Ron4885 3 роки тому +4

      Indeed. All those lives lost because he *thought* he was going blind and lost his girlfriend.

    • @hillarybillary21
      @hillarybillary21 2 роки тому

      @@Ron4885 he was a psychopath. Lots of people go blind and don’t commit mass murder? Jesus.

    • @Saar114
      @Saar114 10 місяців тому

      They said he was secretly gay

  • @stevemckee3283
    @stevemckee3283 3 роки тому +22

    I am a retired airbus captain, currently enrolled in a masters in counseling program. This video is spot-on from the aviation standpoint, and as best as a student counselor can tell, the same applies to the psychological and ethical perspectives. Well done, Dr. G!

  • @Fliedermutter
    @Fliedermutter 3 роки тому +91

    I come from near Düsseldorf. It's sweet how you pronounce "Düsseldorf" 😊😙
    Another good video, Doctor

    • @jguenther3049
      @jguenther3049 3 роки тому +4

      I think we all knew what Doozledorf meant.

    • @ember1794
      @ember1794 3 роки тому +2

      And not pronounced badly, at all ❤️❤️!! The 'ü' was great ❤️❤️!!

    • @wolfgang26273
      @wolfgang26273 2 роки тому

      I wonder how Dr. Grande would pronounce my hometown Brühl, that isn't far away from Düsseldorf. :-))

  • @SleimanSam
    @SleimanSam 3 роки тому +71

    One of the greatest content creators on the tube, Always fair and balanced, Sympathetic to all arguments, Critical thinking and well placed humour knowing when to use it.
    P.S Can we see a video on Budd Dwyer.

    • @cindyrhodes
      @cindyrhodes 3 роки тому +4

      YESSSSS! AGREED on all points!

    • @Jen-X333
      @Jen-X333 3 роки тому +1

      Ooh, that’s a good one!

    • @Jen-X333
      @Jen-X333 3 роки тому +3

      @@spiritmatter1553 - Look him up....he shot himself on live TV 📺 in 1987. He was a state treasurer, I believe and I think he had just been convicted of accepting bribes. Or something like that. Anyway, he called for a press conference and everyone thought he was going to resign, but then he pulled out a gun. The band Filter has a song called ‘Hey Man, Nice Shot’ about him.

  • @estellehank8959
    @estellehank8959 3 роки тому +131

    The horror those poor people must have felt - what a grisly way to die. Why he had to bring so many innocents with him, better to have done as the SeaTac guy who went out alone.

    • @a_lucientes
      @a_lucientes 3 роки тому +13

      I get a sense of anxiety just thinking about that.

    • @Fumi007
      @Fumi007 3 роки тому +26

      Yes, I was thinking about the SeaTac guy as well. It’s bad enough people no longer see value in their own lives, but devaluing the lives of many other people? That’s truly scary.

    • @Normaschthewanderer
      @Normaschthewanderer 3 роки тому +10

      My guess is he didn't want to be alone when he offed himself.

    • @germansnowman
      @germansnowman 3 роки тому +16

      @@Normaschthewanderer I think it’s narcissism and the feeling of power over others, combined with spite (“why should these people live the life I cannot have?”).

    • @livewellwitheds6885
      @livewellwitheds6885 2 роки тому

      and at least sea tac had some fun....

  • @mrs.reluctant4095
    @mrs.reluctant4095 3 роки тому +104

    That's without a doubt the cutest way to pronounce "Duesseldorf" that I've ever heard. Thank you for covering a case from this area of the world. I'm not 100% sure, but I think his problems with blindness weren't interpreted as anxiety disorder allone by our clinicians here, but as a form of "hysterical" blindness, conversion disorder, not so much as having depressive delusions, though he was diagnosed as being clinically depressive. That would fit, that his parents later were in total denial that their son was the perpetrator. They had problems with their "vision" too, when it came to what he did.

    • @queenria7
      @queenria7 3 роки тому +7

      @@crochunter35 Actually it's Köln (Cologne) with the great beer, and Düsseldorf with the bad beer.

    • @mrs.reluctant4095
      @mrs.reluctant4095 3 роки тому +3

      😊 You guys are funny. Okay, beer really is an important topic. 👍

    • @kristinesmart7035
      @kristinesmart7035 3 роки тому +2

      Thank you for sharing. It's great to hear/read from other parts of the world where these events happen so everyone can share in the truth of different cases, no matter specific subject matter. Like the saying, "hearing directly from the horses mouth"(unsure if that's just an American euphemism or if you all know that silly, but true belief). Peace & Love, from NYS.

    • @mrs.reluctant4095
      @mrs.reluctant4095 3 роки тому +2

      @Joe Of course. I would be the last to deny that. Maybe my short comment was a bit misunderstandable. In case Lubitz visited, I think.around 30 doctors, as it is reported, you can be quite sure, that he had a CT scan or MRT. Lubitz had a psychiatrist, and for the reason that having mental health problems is a great taboo in Germany, one would traditionally go to any other doctor first, check the eyes, the nervous system etc. before finally with rather great reluctancy making an appointment with a psychiatrist. So assumably doctors havn't found anything that they could rely on and for that reason diagnosed this form of psychosomatic illness. Thank you for your comment. 🙂

    • @mrs.reluctant4095
      @mrs.reluctant4095 3 роки тому +2

      @@kristinesmart7035 😂 No, I think that indeed is an American saying. But I think I got what you mean. Best wishes from the horses in the middle of Germany to NYS 🐎🐎🐎

  • @Hjortasmr
    @Hjortasmr 3 роки тому +64

    I flew on this exact flight path 3 months later. This case has always haunted me. God help those that were on that flight. 💙

    • @RobbyRaccoon
      @RobbyRaccoon 3 роки тому +7

      God could have helped if he'd given Lubitz explosive diarrhea that morning. Didn't.

    • @RobbyRaccoon
      @RobbyRaccoon 3 роки тому +6

      @Noel Normandin We all are.

    • @cindyrhodes
      @cindyrhodes 3 роки тому +2

      WOW!!!!!!!!

    • @Mountlougallops
      @Mountlougallops 3 роки тому +1

      Haunting story

    • @xred_ray8009
      @xred_ray8009 3 роки тому +9

      My family and I were on the exact same Germanwings flight route two weeks later... We spent a few prayers for the victims when we flew over the Alpes.

  • @AnnMarieKing
    @AnnMarieKing 3 роки тому +22

    This was a shocking tragedy and a reminder that many function at technically and intellectually high levels while mentally ill or compromised. You are doing important work by demystifying mental illness in an accessible way. Thank you.

    • @derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4346
      @derstoffausdemderjoghurtis4346 3 роки тому

      Tragedy or mass murder suicide?

    • @UndertakerU2ber
      @UndertakerU2ber 3 місяці тому

      I think by “demystifying mental illness” he’s actually doing more harm than good.
      At the very beginning, he explicitly states that his take is all speculation, as he is professionally incapable of diagnosing someone from afar. You claim that “compromised” or “mentally ill” individuals can function at a technical and intellectual level, but such impressions only fuel paranoia and hysteria at the expense of the innocent.
      All it’s doing is making people more suspicious and distrusting of others when the takeaway message is “Hey, see that guy over there that seemed friendly? Well, he’s actually feared to be a potential mass murderer by authorities and professionals.” Do you think people would WANT to see a mental health professional if they’re going to be treated like a criminal without having done anything wrong? Why would anyone ever wish to disclose their psychiatric conditions if there’s so much punishment and vilification attached to doing so?
      Honestly, I think we’re headed for another civil rights crisis related to mental health, and everyone has to relearn why profiling and rubber-stamping individuals is wrong no matter how “noble” the intentions are.

  • @Vickypedia1985
    @Vickypedia1985 3 роки тому +50

    Thank you for this video. When Andreas Lubitz was crashing the aircraft, it was highly discussed here in Germany why this had happened.

  • @tink_a
    @tink_a 3 роки тому +9

    ❤️ Thank you for covering this. It's important to many germans.

  • @kayhoover6530
    @kayhoover6530 3 роки тому +7

    As a big fan of yours, Dr. Grande, it is gratifying to see comments from viewers residing in Germany. It speaks to the far reaching impact of your ever growing channel.

  • @cyberspelunker1980
    @cyberspelunker1980 3 роки тому +8

    Dr. Grande, I love your sense of humor so much and that you deliver these hilarious lines with a straight face without missing a beat. Love love it. ❤️

  • @ameliasparkles13
    @ameliasparkles13 3 роки тому +20

    I just went into my own deep dive into this one myself recently so it kind of made me jump a little seeing this pop up. Such a horrible and avoidable tragedy. As always, I appreciate your analysis and value your opinion.

  • @AnimalsMatterMorally
    @AnimalsMatterMorally 3 роки тому +37

    Annnnnnnnnnnd now I never want to get on an airplane again. Yeah.

    • @nadiazahroon6573
      @nadiazahroon6573 3 роки тому

      Live CrueltyFree Now Do over seas airline companies have a hot line to call like we do here.

    • @AnimalsMatterMorally
      @AnimalsMatterMorally 3 роки тому

      @@nadiazahroon6573 I have no idea, probably, but why do you ask ?

    • @ndmz903
      @ndmz903 3 роки тому

      Worldwide, there is now a "two man rule" so if a person leaves the cockpit, a flight attendant needs to take the place of the person who left. In this way there isnt a possibility of pilot suicide

    • @kateps1874
      @kateps1874 2 роки тому

      Yup. And the Egypt air one...double Yup.

  • @chillertheater
    @chillertheater 3 роки тому +41

    He consulted over 40 physicians? How is that even possible? Thank you, Dr. Grande for your analysis of this very interesting but tragic case. I had wondered if there was such a thing as duty to protect and once again you put a question to rest.

    • @bjoernschneider7762
      @bjoernschneider7762 3 роки тому +8

      Why not? He consulted mostly general practitioners, ophtalmologists, few psychiatrists, neurologists and psychologists, even some laboratory doctor. The typical male psychosomatic that wrote a letter to a doctor saying "it's only about my eyes ...", well, easy starting point for any practitioner with a patient who goes to another doctor if you don't give him the answer he wants to hear.

    • @1983simi
      @1983simi 3 роки тому +9

      Very easy in Germany. If you feel you have symptoms you go to a doctor, your public health insurance pays, no questions asked. That includes referrals to specialists and second, third or even fourth opinions.

    • @chillertheater
      @chillertheater 3 роки тому +4

      @@1983simi @Bjoern Schneider Thank you for letting me know how healthcare works in Germany. My real question is how he had time and inclination to consult with that huge number of doctors! I understand he was a hypochondriac and a very mentally ill person. My insurance here in the United States would probably require my primary care physician to refer me to an otolaryngologist and I think she would think I was absolutely insane if I asked her for 40 referrals. She would probably also "refer" me to a psych ward at a hospital, lol!

    • @LateNightCigars
      @LateNightCigars 3 роки тому +7

      @@chillertheater he probably did that over a long period of time. Especially when it's easy to simply go to a clinic and wait in line for an hour or so to see a doctor.

  • @pattyjoyce4461
    @pattyjoyce4461 3 роки тому +6

    Yes!!! Thank you for bringing up the punishment of revealing mental health issues that is ongoing. I personally knew an air traffic controller that had to hide depression, hide the fact of going to therapy, and ALWAYS in fear of coworkers finding out about antidepressants. I saw what the fear did and it was just as destructive if not more than the clinical depression dx. Thank you for shining a light in the darkness.

  • @chefbetsy7680
    @chefbetsy7680 3 роки тому +5

    This is exactly why I get very anxious when I fly no matter many times I have flown, and I used to fly often for a prior job. There was always someone telling me not to worry etc.. i wonder how many of those passengers were nervous about flying that day, and someone with good intentions told them not to worry? Also the terror everyone on that flight, Including the crew. God rest all their souls. And their families that will love andiss them always. To include the perpetrators family.

  • @danilincks5809
    @danilincks5809 3 роки тому +4

    Doc Grande! I just love how you’ve been churning out the videos! Coincidentally, I recently watched a video from another UA-camr discussing this case, and it was really interesting to add your analysis to what they had to say. Also, congrats on the 500,000 subscriber mark! You certainly deserve it.

  • @regenia8738
    @regenia8738 3 роки тому +2

    Dr. Grande, I found this presentation particularly helpful. I learned about types of depression I knew nothing about. I learned about duty to inform authorities, versus maintaining patient confidentiality. I learned that sometimes even science cannot fully explain something so horrible. Thank you for taking this event and using it to teach so many others. Who knows if it might not be helpful to avoid another sad thing from taking place; not necessarily a plane crash, of course, but something that is averted because the right person listened to this and was aware when to get help, or when to notify others. Great teaching!

  • @sycamoresally5643
    @sycamoresally5643 3 роки тому +3

    Thank you for your clear explanations and common sense observations. As always, and excellent job, Dr. G!

  • @joebeast15
    @joebeast15 3 роки тому +4

    This one fucked me up when I read about it. It happened about two months before I took my first international flight. Scared the crap out of me honestly. Imagine dying in such a random way. All the things that had to line up for you to get on that flight with that guy. The terror, the panic. No time to come to terms with what was happening, no time to say goodbye to loved ones, no time to reconcile anything. The moment they realized something was going wrong, their fates were already sealed. Man this one definitely got to me.

  • @user-zr9hu3tf1y
    @user-zr9hu3tf1y 3 роки тому +35

    Doc, at about 5:40, there's about 10 seconds of out-of-sync audio, just a heads up for future reference. still high quality as usual

    • @pollypockets508
      @pollypockets508 3 роки тому +3

      That's such a nice way to point that out. Kudos

    • @qiuwbr091
      @qiuwbr091 3 роки тому

      Anyway I slow the speed. Who cares.

    • @FrancesShear
      @FrancesShear 3 роки тому

      Happened during my second viewing of this video too.

    • @unspeakableexperiments7699
      @unspeakableexperiments7699 3 роки тому

      I noticed it too. At least one or two intervals, but an otherwise very informative video! 👍

  • @HimonoOnna90
    @HimonoOnna90 3 роки тому

    Thanks so much! I was always curious about this case and am so glad to hear about it from you!!

  • @lightseeker134
    @lightseeker134 3 роки тому +16

    This suicide by plane is beyond tragic. I wonder if revenge against his employer was a factor in his decision.
    He could have been concerned about losing his pilot's license and/or had financial reasons for not taking the medical leaves as per his doctor's request. It's unfortunate the airline didn't have a confidential EAP to provide support and/or counselling to staff with MH concerns which may have potentially diverted this tragedy. That said, the stigma of mental illness and/or fear of possible repercussions (career/financial) for seeking treatment may act as a deterrent. I also wonder if it's possible for the airline to provide insurance that would compensate pilots who receive a career ending diagnosis. It may reduce the possibility of the concealment of an illness that impacts job performance and places innocent lives at risk.
    It may also be beneficial if confidential medical exams could be performed in- house or by health care providers contracted by the airline. If a pilot is deemed unfit to fly, the employer could then be notified and the pilot placed on paid medical leave. It seems reasonable that the safety of the flight crew and passengers would take precedence over pilot confidentiality. If the pilot disagrees, he would have the opportunity to obtain a second opinion while he's on leave. Also, with today's sophisticated technology it appears that it would be feasible to develop software that would override the pilot and inform ATC if there was a significant deviation from the data in autopilot. The aircraft systems can detect an impending crash so this seems like it would be a possible. Anyway, thank you for another great analysis. I always enjoy your aviation posts!

  • @chad3232132
    @chad3232132 2 роки тому +4

    I think people greatly underestimate how unconcerned a truly suicidal person (especially one also in the midst of a break from reality) actually is. I've been there, once intentionally totaling my truck after swerving across several lanes and off the road in a suicide attempt. At the time, the possibility that the other lanes could (but thankfully didn't) have vehicles in them never crossed my mind. I suspect this is the case with this guy, as well as many others who end up taking others with then in suicide attempts. They probably don't necessarily want others to die, it's just that their state of mind makes it hard to realize, let alone care about others in their path. The difference here is that most people are in no position to claim 150 lives as collateral damage, which this guy was with his occupation.

  • @heavylogic4204
    @heavylogic4204 3 роки тому +4

    Very informative video, Dr. Grande. This was a tragic event...

  • @polarbearsrus6980
    @polarbearsrus6980 3 роки тому +3

    No words. Thanks for another interesting video.

  • @whiskeyactual.
    @whiskeyactual. 3 роки тому +44

    I'm interested in Dr. Grande being analyzed just for giggles lol

    • @Gravur51
      @Gravur51 3 роки тому +4

      Yes by himself!

    • @Ivejustneverbeentested
      @Ivejustneverbeentested 3 роки тому +2

      So are we! Also VERY Curious to know what his birthdate is for Astro geek funsies purposes 😂

    • @LDiamondz
      @LDiamondz 3 роки тому +1

      That would be a funny one!

    • @FrancesShear
      @FrancesShear 3 роки тому +1

      Your comment really made me laugh since for over a long period of time given the generation gap between me and my youngest daughters I thought the abbreviation lol meant lots of love. Sure did cause some misunderstandings for awhile.

    • @barbaraallen3700
      @barbaraallen3700 3 роки тому

      @Realism I How so?

  • @sigurdkaputnik7022
    @sigurdkaputnik7022 3 роки тому +3

    That is a very insightful video, Dr. Grande. In Germany, a patient has no general obligation to tell a doctor what job he is doing. Lubitz attended several doctors and none of them knew he was a commercial pilot. Even if they did ask he may have lied about it. Germany has universal healthcare, it's not depending on your job status. I am not sure about the legal issues, but to report a potentially suicidal person to authorities requires the appointment of a legal custodian and a petition of lunacy beforehand. There are - probably for good reason - lots of bureaucratic hurdles before someone can be legally commited to mental institution.
    When the accident happened i read lot of accusations against his doctors, failing to report him. I found these accusations unfair, because that is in general termns not the doctors' job. If anything then its the airline, failing to install regular substance checks and psych evaluations. If Germanwings would have found out that he took strong psychiatric medication this tragedy would not have happened this way.

  • @yourfirstsecondlanguage4782
    @yourfirstsecondlanguage4782 3 роки тому +20

    Brilliant choice of video! I can’t imagine how terrifying the last moments of the victims must have been :(

    • @steverico3090
      @steverico3090 3 роки тому +1

      the were like "Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee"

    • @regenia8738
      @regenia8738 3 роки тому +4

      @@steverico3090 I certainly do not mean to be unpleasant, or to start a verbal war, but that simply is not funny. I reminded myself, that at 71, I have been exposed to a lot of bad things in life, that younger people may have not yet encountered. However, that did not help me. I still found this inappropriate. Sadly, I know a young woman who was killed in a plane crash. Putting myself in her family's shoes, I think they would find this comment insensitive and hurtful. I just do not see how that kind of response really adds anything to the conversation and the sharing that is taking place. Just something for you to maybe consider.

    • @LateNightCigars
      @LateNightCigars 3 роки тому

      @@steverico3090 you're nuts, but funny

  • @davidroper726
    @davidroper726 3 роки тому +6

    I was hoping you’d do this story. Thanks!

  • @pausimone2391
    @pausimone2391 3 роки тому +2

    This case shocked me so much when I first heard of it. It just makes my mind want to find so many alternate endings and solutions.

  • @RosarioCaliColombia
    @RosarioCaliColombia 2 роки тому

    greatest Todd Grande video to date! keep it coming man

  • @mikestander2413
    @mikestander2413 3 роки тому

    Thanks for making a video about this subject. I suggested it a couple of weeks ago. That was fast! Happy Halloween, Dr. Grande.

  • @Aprilforevergreen
    @Aprilforevergreen 3 роки тому +11

    Very sad for the passengers and frightening. I remember at the time asking why someone would kill others just because they themselves wanted to take their own life. I guess if he was psychotic he may have not perceived reality. That makes sense. He was obviously ill in his youth. I can't imagine living with a highly altered sense of reality.

  • @curtisbogue5661
    @curtisbogue5661 3 роки тому +1

    Very informative as always! I feel so bad for those poor passengers who not only died senselessly, but knew exactly what was happening during their final moments. I appreciate you mentioning that the depression or even the psychosis could fully explain his actions. Anyway keep up the good work. I'd love it if you could do a video on R. Budd Dwyer in the future.

  • @karlbristow1223
    @karlbristow1223 3 роки тому +30

    There was a similar incident before this one on a Kenyan flight. Missed opportunity to make the changes before it happened again...

    • @Lof_Lof-
      @Lof_Lof- 3 роки тому +1

      Yes! I remember watching a show abou it also... "Air crash investigation" I believe.

    • @FrancesShear
      @FrancesShear 3 роки тому +1

      Sometimes the same sort of problem happens when one of the air traffic controllers on land starts to loose it instead.

  • @murksdoc
    @murksdoc 3 роки тому +4

    Additional information: German patients, unless requiring a certificate for sick leave, are not required to disclose their profession or employer to the physician. Some of Lubitz's doctors might not even have known him being a pilot, not to speak which airline he was working for at the time being (trust me, I'm a German physician).

  • @gjh9299
    @gjh9299 3 роки тому +41

    Hi everyone. Dr Please do Elliot Smith and Sylvia Plath

    • @mortimerjames218
      @mortimerjames218 3 роки тому +2

      Yesss to both!!

    • @omfug7148
      @omfug7148 3 роки тому +8

      Oh boy if he does Plath I can be on it, LOL, I have read literally everything about her case, however, I would love a psychologist to analyze Ted Hughes more, now he is a really complicated character whose second partner after Plath also killed herself and took their 4 year old daughter with her.

    • @omfug7148
      @omfug7148 3 роки тому +4

      @@ginashemeth7708 I definitely think that she has emerged as a more important poet than her husband Ted Hughes who sounds pretty bombastic to me---she was the greater genius IMO. The Bell Jar is still a fantastic novel.

    • @peanutbutterfiend
      @peanutbutterfiend 3 роки тому +1

      Yeees I’ve suggested Plath and Hughes before! I’m so excited for him to analyze them if/when he does.

    • @sarah2.017
      @sarah2.017 3 роки тому +4

      @@omfug7148 The son of Plath and Hughes also died by suicide.

  • @StarlahMutiny
    @StarlahMutiny 3 роки тому +8

    Please please please do a video on Robert Durst!

    • @evita6208
      @evita6208 3 роки тому +1

      Excellent request! Pretty please Dr. Grande.

    • @StarlahMutiny
      @StarlahMutiny 3 роки тому

      @@evita6208 Robert Durst still to this day baffles me how he acts so calm and collected after everything hes "allegedly" done! I MUST KNOW MOREEE 🙌

  • @SarahSmith-mu1wc
    @SarahSmith-mu1wc 3 роки тому +20

    Those poor passengers...I cannot imagine the terror they felt. This case and MH370 have always haunted me. In my opinion, that was a suicidal mission as well. So awful!

    • @NoReligion77
      @NoReligion77 3 роки тому +2

      I wonder if Lubitz suspected that too, and the Kenyan suicide crash, and was inspired by the media attention those crashes received to take others out and become infamous.

    • @NoReligion77
      @NoReligion77 3 роки тому +2

      @Freda Jordan My money is on npd/aspd who became depressed and had very little ability to adapt and endure it, given he had never faced much adversity coming from a wealthy background where he was popular, well taken care of, and attractive. He makes me sick. He already had a lot of advantages and still took from others. I read a book on him.

  • @NoReligion77
    @NoReligion77 3 роки тому +1

    Great video Dr.

  • @amyprice3661
    @amyprice3661 3 роки тому

    Great video as always

  • @jamiehoover9348
    @jamiehoover9348 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you again for another awesome segment Dr G... I remember about a year ago, I listened to all the audio that was released at the press conference from the french officials , from the CVR..(cockpit voice recorder) , and you hear the passengers screaming in chilling horror, n the other pilot pounding at the cockpit door with the axe and he was screaming to open the door , and they also honed in on the audio of his breathing in the cockpit, as it got heavier ,and heavier... And as you heard that, at the same time you hear the full thrusting of the engines eerily loud ,and then the crash... Damn scary 🥺😰😟🙏.
    if I freaked anyone out by that analogy or the audio or caused a panic attack

  • @billhildebrand5053
    @billhildebrand5053 3 роки тому +7

    515 views: 510kSubs. Thankyou Dr. For your advice and timely analysis of this case. That *meanhearted woman* that discouraged you becoming a pilot during your hospital stay, after your car accident, put you on the path to talk about pilots and the inherent dangers in taking up a career in flying. Murky waters are best clarified using rhe specific language of Phobia, Psychotic, and Depression. Thankyou.😃🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩🛩

  • @williamrobinson4265
    @williamrobinson4265 2 роки тому

    was coming to see if youd done him yet if not to suggest it - can't wait to watch it!

  • @gabim8338
    @gabim8338 2 роки тому

    Thank you for your input. Very sad story.

  • @Schreibtisch1
    @Schreibtisch1 3 роки тому +5

    Thanks for covering that case. Another interesting side fact is, that there is a website (german and english), which I think was made by his father. There are articles and experts assessments that there is no proof that Lubitz locked the door on purpose and there is also no proof that he was depressive at that time. I think they want to believe so hard that he wasn't a murder just medical issues were the cause.
    Cheers from Bavaria, Germany

  • @Hadria7777
    @Hadria7777 3 роки тому

    Thx Dr Grande great video

  • @omginvalid
    @omginvalid 3 роки тому +8

    Can you do a video on David Foster Wallace

  • @nicolasmansilla8589
    @nicolasmansilla8589 3 роки тому +4

    Interesting case, great video as allways. I have a request, Homelander and Butcher from the series The Boys. Thanks Dr. Big!

  • @KarkatVantasBitches
    @KarkatVantasBitches 3 роки тому

    I just found your channel a few days ago and I'm THRILLED this video was made. This case has haunted me for a while now.

  • @cindyrhodes
    @cindyrhodes 3 роки тому +4

    Thank you so much for yet another excellent video 📹, Dr. Grande! I am sorry for those poor innocent people. Thank you for covering this with such class!)]

  • @possumaintdead
    @possumaintdead 3 роки тому +3

    Would you consider discussing the Susan Cox Powell case? She was the Utah woman who disappeared ten years ago, presumed murdered by her husband, who later killed himself and his two little boys. They’ve never found her body. I’ve always been fascinated by this case, as I was in Utah when she first disappeared. Love your channel!

  • @irinacretan862
    @irinacretan862 3 роки тому +1

    Wow! Amazing topic!

  • @ilonavuori6643
    @ilonavuori6643 3 роки тому +15

    This is my favorite UA-cam channel, I’m always looking forward to watching a new video! :D I’d like to make a request. Here in Finland we learned last week that tens of thousands of psychotherapy patients have had their data hacked into and are now being blackmailed. It is an understatement to say that this has caused a lot of distress nationwide. If at all possible, I’d love a personality profile of the hacker/blackmailer. I understand it would take an unusual amount of speculation as the perpetrator is still unknown (the only thing we know for a fact is that he identifies himself as “ransom_man”). Any comment on this case would be very much appreciated. Thank you

    • @cindyrhodes
      @cindyrhodes 3 роки тому +6

      OH MY GOODNESS! How horrible!!!!

    • @ilonavuori6643
      @ilonavuori6643 3 роки тому +4

      @@cindyrhodes It really is :(

    • @sherunswithscissors
      @sherunswithscissors 3 роки тому +4

      Wow - Thank goodness my doctor is a Luddite - she uses just a pen and paper.

    • @cindyrhodes
      @cindyrhodes 3 роки тому +5

      @@ilonavuori6643 Any person who would victimize someone who is looking for help is an absolute monster !

    • @cosimavonliebenau8317
      @cosimavonliebenau8317 3 роки тому +3

      Amazing how easy it is to hack health records. In London, a few years back, the records of HIV+ patients at a NHS sexual health clinic were hacked and identities published online. I am not aware of any blackmail attempts - it just seems like a homophobic outing.

  • @johnreynolds6369
    @johnreynolds6369 3 роки тому +21

    Funny. I was, I think, the first to ask for this, and it looks like I’m the first to watch it.

  • @chriswayneevans
    @chriswayneevans 3 роки тому +1

    This was a shocking case, all those poor people who were on board. Great analysis of this topic. 👍

  • @sandratherrien5388
    @sandratherrien5388 3 роки тому +6

    Thank you for this analyzes, I understand someone wanting to end their own life but ending other peoples lives I will never understand. Great video!

    • @bcvids9
      @bcvids9 3 роки тому +2

      Seems it's always men

  • @kimrowlett2875
    @kimrowlett2875 3 роки тому +1

    I really enjoy your videos. Good research and great mental health analysis information! Can you do a video on Keith Raniere and NXIVM

  • @theedmee
    @theedmee 3 роки тому +1

    This is one I've researched extensively, thank you for your apt (as always) analysis. I actually have lost part of my vision, and before receiving a diagnosis, was sure I'd lose it all. In my case it was a detached retina, but add an anxiety disorder, and damn. It was pretty awful to think my vision was failing at 31, so the desperation makes some sense to me.

  • @GheyR
    @GheyR 3 роки тому

    Thank you...I asked you for him too...I have followed this accident & I have read everything about him..it interested me so much🤷🏻‍♀️..I hope you have listened the black box. 🙌🏼.

  • @spookyboo22
    @spookyboo22 3 роки тому +8

    Hi Doc
    Please can you do a video on the Erickson twins?? I find this story incredible
    I've never seen anything like it
    Thanks

    • @danilincks5809
      @danilincks5809 3 роки тому +1

      @spookyboo22, Grande has a video on Folie à Deux, or shared psychosis, which is thought they had

  • @mikehess4494
    @mikehess4494 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you

  • @themajesticmagnificent8561
    @themajesticmagnificent8561 3 роки тому +1

    Great great video on a very grim crime.Those poor people on that aircraft.Awful,wicked act.Glad that you covered this case Doctor as I’ve always wanted that killers possible actions explained since the crime.

  • @jukx5892
    @jukx5892 2 роки тому

    wow, a friend of mine died in the plane crash. I enjoy your videos and it feels so weird to hear you talk about it now.

  • @kaileim970
    @kaileim970 3 роки тому

    Just watched Facinating Horror on the facts of this case. Decided to get Dr Grande's take. Doesn't get much better than this.

  • @Ina_5686
    @Ina_5686 3 роки тому +9

    Thank you, Dr. Grande! This case is very interesting to me. I suffer from different types of behavioral health issues and I've never been in a position where I wanted to hurt others. Mostly I'd wanted to hurt myself.
    I wish he could have gotten help. The stigma of behavioral health issues stops many from getting help! Great video!

    • @LDiamondz
      @LDiamondz 3 роки тому +2

      Of course, sadly, you're right. I can't believe it's 2020 and there is still a stigma attached to mental illness. It's not only lay people who think this way, either, doctors do it, and often. A friend of mine has chronic major depressive disorder. She also has afib, emphysema, arthritis, and heart disease. She had a knee replacement age 25, shoulder replacement age 27, which they attribute to very high doses of chemo and radiation she had at 18 for Hodgkins lymphoma stage 4. Cancer had been cured years ago. Every time she has a new medical condition or symptoms, such as, recently she had leg pain and swelling, they ask a few questions, give her medication and send her home, telling her they don't see the swelling as that bad. Meds didn't work. She calls doctor back, he gave her different medication. Didn't work, she went back again, and the doctor told her, the leg wasn't that swollen, nothing to worry about and that he suspects it's due to her mental state and anxiety. I couldn't believe it!! I told her to go to my doctor. She went once. He sent her for an MRI. She had a huge mass in her leg, and needed surgery. All went well with the surgery and she now has no leg pain or swelling. If she listened to her doctor, like many people do, she'd have ignored it, figured it really WAS her mental illness, and who knows how it would have turned out? Her doctor had blamed other symptoms in the past, as "It's all in your head" stuff. She's since found out those were 'real' medical issues, which are all being treated now. How can doctors be so quick to use the 'AIYH' label, just because you have a mental illness? It's horrible when people judge you out of ignorance of mental disorders. It's worse when it's your own MD. Shame on all of them!
      I hope you are doing well and getting the respect you deserve. Thank you for your comment. Sorry I wrote so much, but this stigma has to end. The stigma with drug abuse has to end, too. People don't get help because they know they will be judged for both of these illnesses.

    • @hillarybillary21
      @hillarybillary21 2 роки тому

      You’re still nuts if you think he just needed “help”. He was a psychopath. He could’ve gotten help if he truly tried.

  • @MrAdrienmartinez
    @MrAdrienmartinez 3 роки тому +1

    Thank you for all your content and your thorough professional analysis's. I was curious if you were familiar with the case of Vince Li the Canadian bus murder? Would be interested in your analysis.

  • @jaxbutterfly9186
    @jaxbutterfly9186 Рік тому

    Now you've done it, Dr. G...my defences are "stripped or stripped, hehe... Aviation is my passion. I've seen all of the aviation videos from any & all sources I can find. Imagine my absolute delight when I saw this. Thank you. ✈️

  • @brittanjawild8149
    @brittanjawild8149 3 роки тому +2

    I am German and I think the doctor is not allowed to give this information to another party. Only if he has allowance from the patient. But I as a doc would rather be prosecuted as staying silent. But that’s just my thoughts- not sure if there’s a extra rule who allows the doc to step in legally.

  • @mutra6
    @mutra6 3 роки тому +17

    Dr.Grande have you thought about doing an analysis of Patrick Bateman.

  • @veroniquecastel9582
    @veroniquecastel9582 3 роки тому +10

    Please do Sylvia Plath next. :-D

    • @deanwright7611
      @deanwright7611 2 роки тому

      I think there is a time limit on YT videos. Seriously though she was a great poet who suffered terribly. Aside from that I was once put in an office with a woman who seemed to regard me as some kind of ogre. She had a book of SP's poetry on her desk. After a really horrible period before she left having dragged me through the mud I asociated the experience, this woman and SP indelibly in my mind.

  • @Melissa0774
    @Melissa0774 3 роки тому +5

    I know you normally do videos about specific people since this channel got popular, but I have an idea for a video I'd like to see you do that goes a little off that format: I'd like to see you do a video about the differences in mental health laws in different countries. Like in this video, you said that a clinician can only call the police if the patient states a direct specific threat. Are there other countries where that is not the case? Are there countries where it is a lot harder or easier to involuntarily commit a person, than it is in the United States? Are there countries where clinicians can share a lot more information about their clients than they can here? Talk about that kind of stuff in a video.

  • @traceyreed9167
    @traceyreed9167 3 роки тому

    This incident caused me to have my first “flash back” after I suffered amnesia from a car crash. I fell to the floor gasping for breath because I could see and feel the impact for the first time months afterwards. I will never forget.

  • @jared8038
    @jared8038 3 роки тому +7

    I liked this because I enjoyed it...

  • @davidsoto4394
    @davidsoto4394 3 роки тому +4

    Please do a video similar to this one about Isac Newton the scientist.

  • @richardmccoy9276
    @richardmccoy9276 3 роки тому

    So horrific for those poor souls in their last minutes.....Rip

  • @3szt3rk3
    @3szt3rk3 3 роки тому +2

    I flew the day after....it was a chilling few hours at the airport and on my germanwings flight.

  • @tangentiallearning
    @tangentiallearning 9 місяців тому +1

    Probably a mental health break... But I had insomnia, anxiety, malaise, and vision changes from a severe iron deficiency. I lost mobility and thought I was dying. No doctor identified the deficiency; I found out by reading the lab reports. Thankfully a hematologist agreed and saved my life with IV iron infusions. Mental health CAN have a physical health cause behind it. Sadly people are often on their own in trying to advocate.

  • @christinley5213
    @christinley5213 3 роки тому +4

    Wow..I could onley imagine what that flight was like:(

  • @ArianandStar
    @ArianandStar 3 роки тому

    Thanks dr

  • @claudiap.6838
    @claudiap.6838 3 роки тому

    Wow. I had this dream 2 nights ago. It was terrifying because I realized it and started to panik and knew in a few seconds the lights would turn off.

  • @socialglitch2663
    @socialglitch2663 3 роки тому +6

    Hi Dr Grande. Great analysis.
    Can you analyze the case of David Hahn, from “The Radioactive Boyscout”? He was a man who reportedly built a neutron source in his shed at seventeen.

    • @user-zr9hu3tf1y
      @user-zr9hu3tf1y 3 роки тому +1

      didn't he do that again as an adult. or no he tried to and got caught stealing americium from a smoke detector

    • @socialglitch2663
      @socialglitch2663 3 роки тому +2

      I believe so. It’s difficult to get reliable information on what happened in his adulthood but it sounds as if he suffered from some kind of psychosis toward the end of his life. I’m not sure if this was secondary to his drug addiction or if he had other mental health issues.

  • @vanessajohnson4547
    @vanessajohnson4547 3 роки тому +3

    Dr. Grande, can you do an analysis of the Wichita Horror case from 2000? It was committed by the Carr brothers, Reginald and Jonathan, where 5 persons were murdered over a week-long series of brutal crimes. There was one survivor. I think it would be interesting because it was committed by brothers, was especially horrific, and could reveal interesting mental health and personality disorders.

  • @cottontails9003
    @cottontails9003 3 роки тому +7

    Dr Grande I found your analysis of this case extremely interesting I believe that if his clinician found he had symptoms of psychos and severe depression he should be allowed to notify the air lines authority it could have stopped all the people being murdered that is just my opinion Thank you Dr Grande.

  • @bm-ub6zc
    @bm-ub6zc 7 місяців тому +1

    I currently work at the hospital where he has been "treated". Disturbing.

  • @meinorha9370
    @meinorha9370 3 роки тому

    Has it already been five years? My parents were on a business trip back then and were scheduled to fly over the same area on the same type of plane on the same day; by the time they were boarded and on the way, they knew the crash had happened but nobody knew why yet... they thought it was a plane type issue and were understandably pretty nervous while crossing over the alps. The truth turned out to be even sadder than a simple plane malfunction. Such a horrible event!

  • @JS-bt8ul
    @JS-bt8ul 3 роки тому +3

    I was hoping you would analyze this guy. I always fly with Lufthansa so this was very upsetting to me.

  • @anythingforselenas806
    @anythingforselenas806 3 роки тому +2

    Yaaas Dr Grande Werk.

  • @meisterlymanu5214
    @meisterlymanu5214 3 роки тому

    A mother and her screaming 7 month old baby, a mother and daughter, father and son, several high school girls with their teachers, work colleagues, one about to collect her doctorate, many others visiting family in Germany, and a professional opera singer. All of them had 3 minutes to endure the panic and terror of what they thought was probably a hijacking or dramatic engine failure. The mountains would have become larger and closer very quickly. But what gets me most, what leads me to comment, is the knot in the stomach. That roller coaster terror which normally lasts a few seconds, lasted 3 minutes. Im just glad their end was at 400 mph, instantaneous and painless. This one is one of the toughest to sink in.

  • @livewellwitheds6885
    @livewellwitheds6885 2 роки тому

    about the cockpit: there are 3 settings. normal, where its locked and then you have a code to unlock. unlocked (self evident). and override/lock, where no code works.
    note- in some planes, but not this plane, you can override the locking system as the captain
    also when you increase rate of descent, you increase your airspeed (different than groundspeed) so the crash would be more deadly