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Dorothy Day, I think you mean, who passed in 1980. Doris, who passed today, was a 1960s actress and animal rights activist. I don't know if she was even Catholic. But, I have made exactly this mistake before.
Oh, and I wondered how on earth they managed to proclaim Dorothy a Servant of God when she died just yesterday. But yeah, this was all a jest. When I heard that Doris Day died, I thought to myself - wasn't she dead for quite some time now? Realizing that it's a different Day, I decided to include the mistake in the video :D
Doris Day was an Ex-Catholic. Dorothy Day was a convert to Catholicism and friend of former Russian Orthodox /Catholic convert Catherine de Hueck Doughtery. Both did the same time of work. My senior citizen apartment looked like yours yesterday when I was looking for my note on your much earlier video about attaching a 3rd class relic to your icon of St. Spyridon. I plan on doing the same thing with my icon of the Righteous Seraphum Rose, but I have to have the monks touch a cloth that I will send them with a donation of course.
Bible Illustrated Hands Saint or no, she was practically musical Patron of the Black Hills, where my Mother grew up. ua-cam.com/video/HcXsLN8yIdw/v-deo.html Is there a striking similarity between the Black Hills and the Romanian Highlands?
I really don’t get how you can hold the idea of Papal Infallibility AND the claim that Popes have been fake since 1958, together, in your mind. If the papacy had that power, why would God allow such a usurpation? How could Antipopes have been allowed total sway for 61 years? Or maybe legitimate Popes ARE fallible, in which case we have to conclude that Orthodoxy was correct all along. It’s a bitter pill to swallow; I get the motivation. They didn’t want to feel like the efforts of the Roman See from 1054-1958 had all been at least partly misguided. Not entirely, to be sure, but we should have been PATIENT, to solve our differences within Orthodoxy, not force issues for expediency.
@@luisnuke8389 I was a convert, and as a convert I was very vulnerable to false information. I watched a few documentaries and the Diamond Brothers. They convinced me and I was Sede for about a year. At this point, I was very sad because there were no SSPX chapels near by and rad trads were quite mean spirited to anyone who wasn't cursing the current pope.
@@zionparks7502 thanks for sharing. I too have seen many videos from the diamond brothers and they can be very convincing. They sure made me think twice but I'm not totally convinced. I'm still trying to think this through and "figure it out", whatever that means... Let us be humble and ask the Lord to guide us in these confusing times Amen.
From what I understand, the college of cardinals (or whoever’s second in line or someone up there) would have to formally declare that the seat is vacant for sedevacantism to be valid, but this usually only happens with the death of a pope. And those sedevacantists must have the goal of having a new bishop of Rome, otherwise they excommunicate themselves and are basically Protestants. So sedevacantism could potentially be valid in some cases, but those who are just upset with Vatican 2 are invalid sedevacantists, and aren’t Catholic. Honestly, as a Catholic convert, I’d much rather be Orthodox than an invalid sedevacantist. It’s much more consistent, and although I strongly believe in the papacy, I’d rather abandon it entirely than (sort of) believing in it when I feel that its purpose has failed. I enjoy your videos, as well.
I don't understand how anyone can be a Sedevacantist unless they are fully unaware of Orthodoxy. And Anglicanism. And Coptic Church. And anything else.
The frustrating thing is that they do. But they fully insist that the Catholic church is true, it but somehow there is no pope. It's ... it just doesn't make sense.
They want it both ways; they don’t want to admit that Papal Infallibility is wrong, yet can’t accept the Popes from 1958-now. So they’ve taken a grain of truth, (admittedly more then a grain, a nugget of truth actually, catholictradition.org/Eucharist/v2-bombs.htm ) and exaggerated it into a grand conspiracy. Bugnini was, undoubtedly, the biggest snake to EVER sneak close to the Seat of Peter, an Antichrist to be sure, but I think his was a relatively small operation, and JP2’s principle negligence was deciding to put the optics of the Iran Hostage crisis BEFORE fixing Bugnini’s sabotage of the Vatican 2 liturgy, which he then, in turn, spent his entire career trying to change by persuading diplomatically, instead of taking a controversial stand against, letting the globalists whittle away bit by bit at orthodoxy. One can teach tacitly as well as overtly, and this was teaching via an error of omission: the Liturgy can be meddled with as whim fancied. Yet, I don’t think that was his intent, only his failing. But it makes the notion of infallibility seem like a cruel joke to me. If the man they claim was the true pope had been cheated, how did God allow that if the See was special beyond First Among Equals? The other Patriarchal Seats have been defiled by puppet bishops, while more Orthodox men were passed over. Was John 23 a modernist heretic and infiltrator? Probably not, Hanlon’s Razor and the evidence in the Link suggests it was entirely Bugnini to start with and the rest up to 2013 was the Vatican trying to very gradually fix the problem as quietly as possible, then FRANKIE took over. Can you believe he is conservative and traditional by typical Argentina standards over the past 50 years? You couldn’t pay me to attend mass in that shithole, unless it was Western Orthodox, of course. Whoa, nelly, the Orthodox must not be popular there, nope, missionary work will be an uphill battle against an avalanche in an environment that hostile to sanity.
@@eldermillennial8330 Your analysis is true and you are right. It's sad how Papa Frank is in some ways a stable relief for darkly low expectations, and I pray his successor like possibly Cardinal Sarah breathes back some real tradition and sense into Rome, and cleans up the mess. But as for Sedes, I kind of get the feeling there is a sense at least subconsciously of desperately clinging onto this safe familiar image despite knowing there is a higher truth beyond the lies and scandals and corruption of the modern RCC. I think the ones who are aware of Orthodoxy are almost scared to take a leap, and disguise that fear with faulty, haughty reassurances of Petrine supremacy. In any case, I know that most of them have good intentions and I should not judge but instead pray for their clarity and journey towards Orthodoxy. Lord have mercy on all of us.
The thing is, they do believe in Papal Infallibility, but a twisted version of it! They believe the Pope is a robot that spouts dogma whenever he speaks.
Bump after 5 years. Happy to hear you say she could be a saint. One thing that really scares me about becoming Orthodox is the idea that the holiness of the saints I’ve venerated for years are ubiquities and beyond knowing. Thank God for your work dude. It gives me hope for uniting myself with the Orthodox Church.
@@BanterWithBojan ohhh! lol - In English, we say, "I about had a heart attack!" or "I almost had a heart attack!" :) or "It gave me a heart attack!" it is interesting how different cliche's develop!
Bojan sometimes you may or may not read my posts.however my sponsor into the orthodox Christian faith wrote a book called sedevecantist delusion making a case for eastern orthodoxy it's on Amazon
I think more of them would become Orthodox if They became aware of Western Orthodoxy. Preserving sound Latin liturgy is the main point, now they just have to let go of Papal Infallibility. It’s incredible cognitive dissonance to believe in that AND argue against the last six Popes. I don’t get how Vatican 1 could have ever been an Authoritative council even by Vatican standards. It never properly concluded! In ancient times, if a council was aborted, what progress was half made was automatically null, dogmatically speaking, until which time it could be taken up again. The first thing on the Vatican 2 docket should have been to finish V1! But they went on as If that was unnecessary. I just can’t hold onto those ideas anymore. There are a lot of great theories, don’t get me wrong, from 1054-1563, ideas that could always have found an Orthodox solution. Heck, what finally convinced me to start becoming Orthodox was finding out that, while not a dogma, Filioque CAN be a valid opinion within Orthodoxy, as long as you explain it properly.
@@eldermillennial8330 I wish I could help, I guess when I return to twitter if I encounter them in my community I'll guide them to WO haha. Although in general I think spreading actual historical education among all Christians will help them discover and realize Orthodox truth.
Lol, confused the saint with the actress, I've made that mistake before. But yes, Dorothy Day, who started the Catholic Worker movement was a saint. Sanctus Dorothy Day, ora pro nobis.
What are your thoughts on the Black Nazarene devotion in the Philippines? There's so much people devoted to the Black Nazarene (since there are lots of OFWs abroad, some churches even placed a statue in it) I want to know your comments...
@@BanterWithBojan thank you!! 😄 I want to hear comments from you, this devotion has received a lot of negative comments by Protestants (they say it is idolatry).
Does this opinion also extend to the, fairly recent, increase of Catholic theologians accusing the pope of heresy? Its an interesting mess to watch unfold although I take no joy in seeing it happen.
I really do enjoy most of your videos, but I gotta disagree with you on this issue. I will admit, I'm biased on this simply because I AM Sedevacantist, but I've personally never felt pride in being so. Antipopes have existed in the past, and Catholic doctrine has provisions as what constitutes a pope. Older Catholic catechisms state that heretics cannot hold papal office. And there have been cases where a claimant to the papacy was excommunicated for heresy. You of course have your opinions, and while I might disagree, you have a right to them. I'm just trying to say that there is Catholic precedent for the Sedevacantist position.
But dont you see a problem? Saying "No pope is a heretic because when a Pope is a heretic he only appears to be the pope" seems not very coherent, especially since the offical list of popes includes an arian pope! so you gotta acknowledge atleast one heretic pope
The Pope is not directly chosen by the Holy Ghost. The modernist Mariano Rampolla was elected Pope by the cardinals initially in 1903, but God's providence intervened. Emperor Franz Joseph I vetoed the vote and Giuseppe Sarto AKA Saint Pius X was elected who was one of the best Popes we ever had. Had that not happened the modernist and possible freemason Ramolla would have been elected. It is completely possible for the cardinals to fail to elect a true Pope if by God's providence they are allowed to do so.
I have friends who are Sedevecantists they say that the new church that we have with the new mass and new teachings are not catholic because they miss the 4 holy marks of faith . I don’t remember all of them but I know that holy teachings are one , and the new mass has 0 . I have however always found it foolish to try and change a system by leaving it . If you don’t believe in the new mass and new teachings stay with those who do and preserve the tradition of old by example . Every saint has done this , St.Catherine of Siena , St.Robert Bellarmine, St.Charles Borromeo , and St.Ignatius Loyola .
Because they each have rich cultures that have developed over the years, like how the Greek jurisdictions have Byzantine chanting whereas the more Slavic jurisdictions have a different style of hymnography. Really each city/ country should have one bishop under one Orthodox Church and one ecumenical and local synod and one jurisdiction however over the ages the different cultures that developed alongside different cities formed ethnocentricity which complicated/es the establishment of churches in non orthodox countries. Regardless the ecumenical patriarch is just the “first among equals”, the honorary figure head of the church. Ethnocentricity is probably one of the biggest problems orthodoxy faces in nonorthodox countries
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Am I the ONLY ONE who caught the Umbrella Corp reference in the thumbnail? :D Resident evil?
No,I did too
Know why I used the logo? B-)
@@BanterWithBojan Because they spread like a disease?
David J Y - oof...... ¬.¬
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Dorothy Day, I think you mean, who passed in 1980. Doris, who passed today, was a 1960s actress and animal rights activist. I don't know if she was even Catholic.
But, I have made exactly this mistake before.
Oh, and I wondered how on earth they managed to proclaim Dorothy a Servant of God when she died just yesterday.
But yeah, this was all a jest. When I heard that Doris Day died, I thought to myself - wasn't she dead for quite some time now? Realizing that it's a different Day, I decided to include the mistake in the video :D
Doris Day was an Ex-Catholic. Dorothy Day was a convert to Catholicism and friend of former Russian Orthodox /Catholic convert Catherine de Hueck Doughtery. Both did the same time of work. My senior citizen apartment looked like yours yesterday when I was looking for my note on your much earlier video about attaching a 3rd class relic to your icon of St. Spyridon. I plan on doing the same thing with my icon of the Righteous Seraphum Rose, but I have to have the monks touch a cloth that I will send them with a donation of course.
@@BanterWithBojan see my comment under your comment. Good video and I glad some one else is like a tornado when looking for something.
We can hope that God has mercy on Doris Day and that she will pray for us from heaven.
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Saint or no, she was practically musical Patron of the Black Hills, where my Mother grew up.
ua-cam.com/video/HcXsLN8yIdw/v-deo.html
Is there a striking similarity between the Black Hills and the Romanian Highlands?
I was once a Sede. It was a terrible experience.
Glad you got up from being a sede.
I'm very curious to hear about your experience
I really don’t get how you can hold the idea of Papal Infallibility AND the claim that Popes have been fake since 1958, together, in your mind. If the papacy had that power, why would God allow such a usurpation? How could Antipopes have been allowed total sway for 61 years?
Or maybe legitimate Popes ARE fallible, in which case we have to conclude that Orthodoxy was correct all along. It’s a bitter pill to swallow; I get the motivation. They didn’t want to feel like the efforts of the Roman See from 1054-1958 had all been at least partly misguided. Not entirely, to be sure, but we should have been PATIENT, to solve our differences within Orthodoxy, not force issues for expediency.
@@luisnuke8389 I was a convert, and as a convert I was very vulnerable to false information. I watched a few documentaries and the Diamond Brothers. They convinced me and I was Sede for about a year. At this point, I was very sad because there were no SSPX chapels near by and rad trads were quite mean spirited to anyone who wasn't cursing the current pope.
@@zionparks7502 thanks for sharing. I too have seen many videos from the diamond brothers and they can be very convincing. They sure made me think twice but I'm not totally convinced. I'm still trying to think this through and "figure it out", whatever that means...
Let us be humble and ask the Lord to guide us in these confusing times Amen.
Sedevacautists.
Underrated
Sedevaxxers
@Moe Gibbs Why so angry?
Hey, I know you.
From what I understand, the college of cardinals (or whoever’s second in line or someone up there) would have to formally declare that the seat is vacant for sedevacantism to be valid, but this usually only happens with the death of a pope. And those sedevacantists must have the goal of having a new bishop of Rome, otherwise they excommunicate themselves and are basically Protestants. So sedevacantism could potentially be valid in some cases, but those who are just upset with Vatican 2 are invalid sedevacantists, and aren’t Catholic.
Honestly, as a Catholic convert, I’d much rather be Orthodox than an invalid sedevacantist. It’s much more consistent, and although I strongly believe in the papacy, I’d rather abandon it entirely than (sort of) believing in it when I feel that its purpose has failed.
I enjoy your videos, as well.
Thanks for the additional info, Dean!
Thank God I became Orthodox instead of taking a Sedevacation. That resort is one people often check into and do not leave.
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@@major5554 Okay, dude.
I don't understand how anyone can be a Sedevacantist unless they are fully unaware of Orthodoxy. And Anglicanism. And Coptic Church. And anything else.
I actually know someone that was one and was fully aware of orthodoxy. He recently decided not to be one
The frustrating thing is that they do. But they fully insist that the Catholic church is true, it but somehow there is no pope. It's ... it just doesn't make sense.
They want it both ways; they don’t want to admit that Papal Infallibility is wrong, yet can’t accept the Popes from 1958-now. So they’ve taken a grain of truth, (admittedly more then a grain, a nugget of truth actually, catholictradition.org/Eucharist/v2-bombs.htm ) and exaggerated it into a grand conspiracy. Bugnini was, undoubtedly, the biggest snake to EVER sneak close to the Seat of Peter, an Antichrist to be sure, but I think his was a relatively small operation, and JP2’s principle negligence was deciding to put the optics of the Iran Hostage crisis BEFORE fixing Bugnini’s sabotage of the Vatican 2 liturgy, which he then, in turn, spent his entire career trying to change by persuading diplomatically, instead of taking a controversial stand against, letting the globalists whittle away bit by bit at orthodoxy.
One can teach tacitly as well as overtly, and this was teaching via an error of omission: the Liturgy can be meddled with as whim fancied.
Yet, I don’t think that was his intent, only his failing. But it makes the notion of infallibility seem like a cruel joke to me. If the man they claim was the true pope had been cheated, how did God allow that if the See was special beyond First Among Equals? The other Patriarchal Seats have been defiled by puppet bishops, while more Orthodox men were passed over. Was John 23 a modernist heretic and infiltrator?
Probably not, Hanlon’s Razor and the evidence in the Link suggests it was entirely Bugnini to start with and the rest up to 2013 was the Vatican trying to very gradually fix the problem as quietly as possible, then FRANKIE took over.
Can you believe he is conservative and traditional by typical Argentina standards over the past 50 years?
You couldn’t pay me to attend mass in that shithole, unless it was Western Orthodox, of course. Whoa, nelly, the Orthodox must not be popular there, nope, missionary work will be an uphill battle against an avalanche in an environment that hostile to sanity.
@@eldermillennial8330 Your analysis is true and you are right. It's sad how Papa Frank is in some ways a stable relief for darkly low expectations, and I pray his successor like possibly Cardinal Sarah breathes back some real tradition and sense into Rome, and cleans up the mess. But as for Sedes, I kind of get the feeling there is a sense at least subconsciously of desperately clinging onto this safe familiar image despite knowing there is a higher truth beyond the lies and scandals and corruption of the modern RCC. I think the ones who are aware of Orthodoxy are almost scared to take a leap, and disguise that fear with faulty, haughty reassurances of Petrine supremacy. In any case, I know that most of them have good intentions and I should not judge but instead pray for their clarity and journey towards Orthodoxy. Lord have mercy on all of us.
The thing is, they do believe in Papal Infallibility, but a twisted version of it! They believe the Pope is a robot that spouts dogma whenever he speaks.
Bump after 5 years. Happy to hear you say she could be a saint. One thing that really scares me about becoming Orthodox is the idea that the holiness of the saints I’ve venerated for years are ubiquities and beyond knowing. Thank God for your work dude. It gives me hope for uniting myself with the Orthodox Church.
I was curious about the metaphor you used about your "kidneys had given away"??
Just what I say when I'm nervous, that my organs are literally failing me due to stress.
@@BanterWithBojan ohhh! lol - In English, we say, "I about had a heart attack!" or "I almost had a heart attack!" :)
or "It gave me a heart attack!"
it is interesting how different cliche's develop!
Bojan sometimes you may or may not read my posts.however my sponsor into the orthodox Christian faith wrote a book called sedevecantist delusion making a case for eastern orthodoxy it's on Amazon
Link pls
I think more of them would become Orthodox if They became aware of Western Orthodoxy. Preserving sound Latin liturgy is the main point, now they just have to let go of Papal Infallibility. It’s incredible cognitive dissonance to believe in that AND argue against the last six Popes.
I don’t get how Vatican 1 could have ever been an Authoritative council even by Vatican standards. It never properly concluded! In ancient times, if a council was aborted, what progress was half made was automatically null, dogmatically speaking, until which time it could be taken up again. The first thing on the Vatican 2 docket should have been to finish V1! But they went on as If that was unnecessary.
I just can’t hold onto those ideas anymore.
There are a lot of great theories, don’t get me wrong, from 1054-1563, ideas that could always have found an Orthodox solution. Heck, what finally convinced me to start becoming Orthodox was finding out that, while not a dogma, Filioque CAN be a valid opinion within Orthodoxy, as long as you explain it properly.
@@eldermillennial8330 I wish I could help, I guess when I return to twitter if I encounter them in my community I'll guide them to WO haha. Although in general I think spreading actual historical education among all Christians will help them discover and realize Orthodox truth.
Lol, confused the saint with the actress, I've made that mistake before. But yes, Dorothy Day, who started the Catholic Worker movement was a saint. Sanctus Dorothy Day, ora pro nobis.
I didn't confuse them when I started recording the video, it was a jest, but I was confused when heard of Doris' death :D
I think you mean Dorothy Day. She died in the 1980s. But, thanks for the condolences; she was a great lady and a wonderful actress and singer☺
The Sede i know tried to convert me to be one for so long.
Not surprised, they have zeal but not according to reason :-)
@Tango Mike They literally believe that the Church is headless. What's more to it?
@Tango Mike Dude, listen, I'm really not a fan of your dismissive debating style, so I'll leave you with a farewell. :-)
@Moe Gibbs Why are Sedes always so aggressive and angry? You guys are like the Calvinists of Catholicism
Dorothy day died in 1980 and she is a Servant of God .Doris was the actress.
I have away saw the pope is the head of Christendom
The "Pope" is the Anti-Christ
What are your thoughts on the Black Nazarene devotion in the Philippines? There's so much people devoted to the Black Nazarene (since there are lots of OFWs abroad, some churches even placed a statue in it) I want to know your comments...
Will answer :-)
@@BanterWithBojan thank you!! 😄 I want to hear comments from you, this devotion has received a lot of negative comments by Protestants (they say it is idolatry).
Sedevacation Resort 😄
Five stars!
Does this opinion also extend to the, fairly recent, increase of Catholic theologians accusing the pope of heresy? Its an interesting mess to watch unfold although I take no joy in seeing it happen.
Much less so - those theologians aren't accusing Francis of not being a true pope to being with. :-)
I really do enjoy most of your videos, but I gotta disagree with you on this issue. I will admit, I'm biased on this simply because I AM Sedevacantist, but I've personally never felt pride in being so. Antipopes have existed in the past, and Catholic doctrine has provisions as what constitutes a pope. Older Catholic catechisms state that heretics cannot hold papal office. And there have been cases where a claimant to the papacy was excommunicated for heresy. You of course have your opinions, and while I might disagree, you have a right to them. I'm just trying to say that there is Catholic precedent for the Sedevacantist position.
Well, thank you for your honest, first hand input :-)
Bible Illustrated Hands no problem. Hope you channel goes on for the better
But dont you see a problem? Saying "No pope is a heretic because when a Pope is a heretic he only appears to be the pope" seems not very coherent, especially since the offical list of popes includes an arian pope! so you gotta acknowledge atleast one heretic pope
@@davidcope5328 the issue is the Pope promulgating and approving heresy
The Pope is not directly chosen by the Holy Ghost. The modernist Mariano Rampolla was elected Pope by the cardinals initially in 1903, but God's providence intervened. Emperor Franz Joseph I vetoed the vote and Giuseppe Sarto AKA Saint Pius X was elected who was one of the best Popes we ever had. Had that not happened the modernist and possible freemason Ramolla would have been elected. It is completely possible for the cardinals to fail to elect a true Pope if by God's providence they are allowed to do so.
Completely agree, while I think your read on Papal Supremesy is a LITTLE misinterpreted you are completely correct
I have friends who are Sedevecantists they say that the new church that we have with the new mass and new teachings are not catholic because they miss the 4 holy marks of faith . I don’t remember all of them but I know that holy teachings are one , and the new mass has 0 . I have however always found it foolish to try and change a system by leaving it . If you don’t believe in the new mass and new teachings stay with those who do and preserve the tradition of old by example . Every saint has done this , St.Catherine of Siena , St.Robert Bellarmine, St.Charles Borromeo , and St.Ignatius Loyola .
The Orthodox here pick and choose their jurisdiction. Why not promote your ecumenical patriarch?
Because they each have rich cultures that have developed over the years, like how the Greek jurisdictions have Byzantine chanting whereas the more Slavic jurisdictions have a different style of hymnography. Really each city/ country should have one bishop under one Orthodox Church and one ecumenical and local synod and one jurisdiction however over the ages the different cultures that developed alongside different cities formed ethnocentricity which complicated/es the establishment of churches in non orthodox countries. Regardless the ecumenical patriarch is just the “first among equals”, the honorary figure head of the church. Ethnocentricity is probably one of the biggest problems orthodoxy faces in nonorthodox countries
I lost 7min of my time
I guess it's prayer time.