The TurboTrain - The Sikorsky Aircraft Promotional Film

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  • Опубліковано 4 гру 2024
  • Released originally by the Surface Transportation Systems of Sikorsky Aircraft Division of United Aircraft in 1968. Includes excellent footage of the TurboTrain demonstration runs.
    From the original Sikorsky Aircraft promo material released with the film: "A sleek, new lightweight passenger train, the Turbo-Train, enters service in 1968 in the United States and Canada. The TurboTrain is lighter, faster, quieter, smoother and more reliable than conventional trains -and cheaper to run. The TurboTrain, conceived on aerodynamic principles, and powered by aircraft-type gas turbine engines, was designed by United Aircraft Corpo-ration. It is being developed and marketed by Surface Transportation Systems, Sikorsky Aircraft Division.
    The TurboTrain is a modern, streamlined, high-speed intercity passenger train designed by aerospace engineers and based on the principles of flight.
    Powered by aircraft-type gas turbine engines, it was designed to provide comfortable, high performance service on existing railroad trackage. The TurboTrain can travel at speeds up to 170 mph but initial top speeds in passenger-carrying service this year will be about 120 mph. "
    This film is being posted for educational purposes only. To learn more about the CN UAC TurboTrain, visit the largest audio and video collection of Turbo links at High Speed Rail Canada - www.highspeedra...

КОМЕНТАРІ • 86

  • @rontroy3843
    @rontroy3843 2 роки тому +29

    I rode a Turboliner from GCT to Boston many years ago and back; smooth, quiet, great experience.

  • @uncinarynin
    @uncinarynin Рік тому +56

    They should have preserved one in a museum.

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  Рік тому +11

      very sad indeed none were saved

    • @Bammer2001
      @Bammer2001 7 місяців тому +6

      They were all scrapped. 😭

    • @richardjames3356
      @richardjames3356 6 місяців тому +5

      The American attitude to history right there. Bin it

    • @therandomytchannel4318
      @therandomytchannel4318 6 місяців тому +2

      Yes, I often wonder why turbine technology never really caught on in the railway industry. Steam or gas, that Baldwin turbine locomotive was massive 🎉

    • @thatguycarmine1
      @thatguycarmine1 5 місяців тому

      @@richardjames3356A very good principle.

  • @bernardmueller5676
    @bernardmueller5676 6 місяців тому +43

    Funny that they blame the TurboTrain for failing and NOT the bad track condition as well as the many railroad crossings.

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  6 місяців тому +4

      Yes track quality definitely played a part in the Turbo's demise.

  • @dancostello6465
    @dancostello6465 Рік тому +16

    Only train I ever liked. Knew a lot about UAC back then. For years one of these was sitting in Moncton on a siding. Those were too cool for school. They had some teething problems. Tracks were too old to got fast on. Brakes needed tweaking. Etc.

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  Рік тому +2

      very cool for sure.

    • @fritzfam5
      @fritzfam5 4 місяці тому

      Hey I'm looking into the UAC, and I would like to know if you by any chance know what the horn of the UAC is. Or atleast describe what it was like?

  • @stickynorth
    @stickynorth 2 роки тому +21

    Still breaks my heart that this was well before I was born and yet runs faster than todays services which here in Alberta are close to 0...

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  Рік тому +3

      so true.

    • @vincentb893
      @vincentb893 6 місяців тому

      There was a lot of really cool equipment a hundred years ago, like electric cars, commuter trolleys on every other street,100 mph trains,but for some reason they just disappeared

  • @trainglen22
    @trainglen22 6 місяців тому +12

    Loved the early morning Turbo from Montreal to Toronto. Faster than the current Via trains these days.

  • @BudTheDrummer
    @BudTheDrummer Рік тому +9

    I saw the first Turbo Trains to hit the New Haven in the mid to late '60's. They looked and sounded spectacular, especially when they spooled up after stopping for a red signal.But they proved troublesome and were sold off quickly.

  • @johneddy908
    @johneddy908 Рік тому +11

    Sikorsky Aircraft is today part of Lockheed Martin.

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  Рік тому +1

      thanks for that info.

    • @johnblair8146
      @johnblair8146 6 місяців тому

      @@Highspeedrailcanada1 United Aircraft changed its name to United Technologies Corporation in1975. It merged with Raytheon a few years ago and is now known as Raytheon Technologies.

  • @ManiacRacing
    @ManiacRacing 5 місяців тому +1

    The horn section in this soundtrack gave all my houseplants Autism, even the plastic one.

  • @lambertax
    @lambertax 5 місяців тому +3

    France has also developed a similar train with two Turboméca helicopter engines. It was a very nice machine, but the oil crisis of the 1970s killed it quickly. These machines consumed more than airplanes!

  • @XxBec3509
    @XxBec3509 5 місяців тому +1

    Greetings from England. The turbo train looks great.

  • @gargoyle7863
    @gargoyle7863 6 місяців тому +3

    Sikorsky's Great Gearbox Horror Show.

  • @desertmodern7638
    @desertmodern7638 6 місяців тому +3

    I was completely unaware of these. Gearboxes tend to be relatively high maintenance, so perhaps that was an issue. Diesel-electric and electric trains use of electric motors for power at the wheels would seem simpler and lower maintenance.

  • @michaelbonet3783
    @michaelbonet3783 4 місяці тому

    The TurboTrain sounded so cool and groovy. Tee hee hee. :)

  • @jimdieseldawg3435
    @jimdieseldawg3435 6 місяців тому +6

    How To Compete With Airlines. 1, add wheels to a fuselage. 2, use turbine power but not with direct thrust utilisation nor driving efficient multi-bladed variable-pitch propellers. 3, use complex and unproven gearboxes to funnel shaft-drive directly to some of the wheels, completely ignoring the facts that (a) driving a generator or alternator to provide current to traction motors had already long been proven to be more efficient; (b) that decades of locomotive experience had clearly proven the superior reliability of power-electric drive over power-mechanical (and power-hydraulic) drive; and (c) that UP had unequivocally demonstrated that even turbine-electric propulsion was excessively fuel-hungry compared to diesel-electrics of similar power to the rail and less than optimal in the reliability stakes. 4, run the passenger services at about a third of the speed of a period airliner due to the inconvenient presence of track curvature and altitude variations between and over annoyingly hard and unyielding geographical and man-made features. What could possibly go wrong?

    • @blainedunlap4242
      @blainedunlap4242 6 місяців тому +1

      But they throughly tested the concept for all contingencies.

    • @troykir
      @troykir 5 місяців тому +2

      CN definitely pitched this train like a Boeing 747 on wheels with overpriced Concorde business class ticket prices. Hardly nobody could afford using this thing as a regular highspeed commuter train like you see in Europe and Asia today.

  • @alexandermathar7780
    @alexandermathar7780 Рік тому +3

    And they chose the PT6 with the least power rating! Imagine how fast it could have been with the 1300 HP PT6A-67! I think it could have hit 200 MPH !

  • @F7Aengineer
    @F7Aengineer 11 місяців тому +2

    This is amazing

  • @CSX_Doolittle
    @CSX_Doolittle 2 роки тому +6

    Hmm that horn in the first clip reminds me of a certain manufacturer

  • @BHARGAV_GAJJAR
    @BHARGAV_GAJJAR Рік тому +12

    Doesn't hurt to put an aerodynamic low drag nose on every high speed train although I wouldn't apply direct mechanical power via 90 degree gear boxes that's gonna be bad. I would use turboprops to drive generators and put motors on each of the carriages

    • @Misophist
      @Misophist 6 місяців тому +4

      That is actually how the ICE 3 works, every second carriage has one motorized bogey. This way, top speed doesn't depend on the length of the train, and both train ends can be used for seating right up to the engineer's cockpit.

  • @timtim8468
    @timtim8468 6 місяців тому

    Using right angle gear boxes, we can add as much engines as we please. We don't worry about fuel economy, noise, we're just zipping from downtown of one city, to another, in comfort!

  • @AndrewVanDay
    @AndrewVanDay 5 місяців тому +1

    So what was its downfall? I would presume the lack of dedicated high speed track. If you could run a train at 170 on regular track then the UK wouldn't need to build HS1 & 2. Fuel cost must have been eye watering too.

  • @dmrr7739
    @dmrr7739 6 місяців тому +2

    The soundtrack is hilarious!
    “The Turbotrain… in color!”

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 5 місяців тому

      Color was high-end then. Eastman Color Original (ECO) 16mm was only introduced in 1958.

  • @garryferrington811
    @garryferrington811 5 місяців тому +1

    A phone call to Japan would have been easier.

  • @samtrak1204
    @samtrak1204 Рік тому +4

    There was so much hope and dreams that never materialized.

  • @ontariocbclub
    @ontariocbclub 5 місяців тому +1

    Too bad it doesn't exist today

  • @prakashd7397
    @prakashd7397 Рік тому +5

    like concord this also a thing of past

  • @kiefershanks4172
    @kiefershanks4172 5 місяців тому +2

    They just wanted to stick gas turbine in everything back then. The blind optimism clearly clouded their judgement. They forgot the whole reason rail is competitive: its energy efficiency. Gas turbines aren't exactly fuel sipping.

  • @demonmucker4734
    @demonmucker4734 7 місяців тому +11

    Canada was great in the 70's

    • @PaulLangan
      @PaulLangan 7 місяців тому +2

      Well said

    • @hanksenkow7313
      @hanksenkow7313 6 місяців тому

      AND IS GREAT TODAY. POLILIER WOULD LOVE TO ROLL BACK PROGRESS & BECOME A WANNABE MINI-TRUMPER FASCIST DICTATOR.

  • @linesided
    @linesided Рік тому +18

    Thanks auto lobbyists for crushing high speed rail in North America.

    • @voidjavelin23
      @voidjavelin23 Рік тому +2

      And thanks naive and easily mind controlled people for pushing auto lobbyist, you should need to go to school

    • @GBOAC
      @GBOAC 5 місяців тому

      You are posting this under a vid by a helicopter engine lobbyist

    • @garryferrington811
      @garryferrington811 5 місяців тому

      Don't leave Big Oil out of this.

  • @billwendell6886
    @billwendell6886 6 місяців тому

    A few years ago there was one in Schoharie NY. There were a pile of them in Providence Ri for years. They were POS. Constantly breaking.

    • @johnblair8146
      @johnblair8146 6 місяців тому +1

      Not the same trains. The ones you are thinking of were built By Rohr Aircraft using a French design.

    • @billwendell6886
      @billwendell6886 6 місяців тому

      Thanks, I always had thought they were Bombardier.@@johnblair8146

  • @christopherlucy1772
    @christopherlucy1772 5 місяців тому

    NH..loved the light weight tilt a train idea..it had some success in Europe but never got off the groud here..service was a sore point on The..PC$$⚠️

  • @tronn_carter
    @tronn_carter 6 місяців тому

    Looks like a Florida Brightline train concept

  • @richardkudrna7503
    @richardkudrna7503 6 місяців тому +1

    One issue they had was lack of torque from a start. So why couldn’t the electric motor be used there?

    • @billwendell6886
      @billwendell6886 6 місяців тому

      They needed to keep the weight down. But a 2 speed transmission would have made sense. I wish there was more on the drivetrain tech out there.

  • @Schlocks
    @Schlocks 10 місяців тому +1

    Sexy Turbo in silver w/blue 8:14

  • @christopherlucy1772
    @christopherlucy1772 5 місяців тому

    Living in Boston then having visited montreal..1972/1973 using via 2 toronto i never saw or rode It or rode Acela later & indy we went in 69!

  • @fritzfam5
    @fritzfam5 4 місяці тому

    Anyone know what horn this is 0:02

  • @peterhogan9537
    @peterhogan9537 Рік тому +3

    why did they pull these trains out of service after only 12 years ?

    • @dancostello6465
      @dancostello6465 Рік тому +5

      They were experimental and everything that could go wrong did. Then the engineering was far ahead and the market didn't have a profit earning position for a turbine train. They would have flown off tracks with full speed.

    • @Highspeedrailcanada1
      @Highspeedrailcanada1  Рік тому +3

      never were winter tested,and track quality they ran on was not great

    • @WA1LBK
      @WA1LBK 6 місяців тому +3

      Reliability issues were the main culprit. I rode the Turbo only once, on the former New Haven railroad mainline, between Providence RI and New York City. From a railfan’s point of view, it was great sitting in the front seat of the power dome car & literally looking over the engineer’s shoulder! - I remember us passing the northbound Tropicana orange juice train with 3 bid 6-axle GE locomotives & about 100 cars (it’s much shorter these days).
      If you were in one of the coaches rather than the power dome car, the ride on the old New Haven’s jointed rail left a LOT to be desired, as the single- axle coaches wheelbase was about the same as a length of jointed rail, resulting in a loud “CLUNK - CLUNK, CLUNK- CLUNK”, noisy bumpy ride. This was in the Penn Central era, when the former New Haven mainline was in rough shape, in contrast to today’s smooth all - welded rail Northeast Corridor mainline. The ride in the Turbo’s coaches was basically similar to the failed experimental high - speed trains that Pat McGinnis foisted on the New Haven during his disastrous presidency in the 1950’s; trying to do high-speed rail “on-the-cheap” with Talgo - style trains while deterring proper track maintenance. In contrast, Talgo’s can deliver a smooth ride on PROPERLY MAINTAINED welded rail; Amtrak’s Talgo’s running in their Northwestern “Cascade” service are quite popular.

    • @jamesstuart3346
      @jamesstuart3346 6 місяців тому +1

      I remember seeing the Turbo in ugly VIA yellow rotting in the Toronto yard...sad ending 😢

    • @Solar55
      @Solar55 6 місяців тому

      @@WA1LBK Yeah I was 11 years old and obsessed with everything Turbo. My parents finally booked a trip as a surprise and to my dismay the Turbo arrived an hour late, being pulled by a regular diesel engine. No a/c in the coaches and it was a hot, slow, disappointing trip. :(

  • @weareallbeingwatched4602
    @weareallbeingwatched4602 5 місяців тому

    Gas turbines are usable on trains but probably not cars - the hot exhaust is terrifyingly hotter than bothered. The only way to use a turbine properly is to derive the heat as a useful commodity - turbine trains would be ideal for a mobile factory which can process resources during transport - a bakery and processing/packing line would be perfectly appropriate. So would a hotel or hospital. Stalin had his personal militarised power train. Train cars were the private jets of the 19th century in the USA.

  • @j.sterling9167
    @j.sterling9167 6 місяців тому +1

    If they can't keep the tracks & roadbeds up to class 1 railroad standards then how can the tracks carry a train capable of 170 MPH when they can't even handle normal freight trains at 60 mph.

    • @billwendell6886
      @billwendell6886 6 місяців тому

      LOL most of the time Acela runs 125 because they never got the right of ways straight enough, some places it hits 175. Built for constant 200. But it is something to be standing on the platform when does 125 thru the station. Every now and then some TikToker would get sucked into the side trying to get a vid be the vacuum. eeewwww. There is an "Acela" line 5 feet back in Attleboro, at least the last time I took the T.

  • @LeftIsBest001
    @LeftIsBest001 6 місяців тому +1

    Lol, sounds like a DC-9 flew passed you at head height watching it go by..

  • @mosquito7459
    @mosquito7459 5 місяців тому

    C'est vrai qu'on retrouve la silhouette du H 19 vu le nez de la motrice