Without defending this technique or the rider (just to clarify some translation errors in the Beerbaum statement) ... The FEI said that planks/poles with edges, nails etc. are forbidden. Beerbaum claims to use "touching" with a round stick which is in accordance with the FEI guidelines. So the FEI did not contradict Beerbaum's statement (if he really used a round pole as he claims he did). Touching is actually allowed. And the "four times a year" were just touching, not pling/rapping (if you believe Beerbaum). Beerbaum claims that the poles shown in the shed were for their fences or were sorted out and not used in training. Think of that what you will ... My horse is at a stable were young horses are trained for higher class show jumping. Weirdly I have never seen anyone crouching behind jumps and "touching" the horses. Yet they jump really well, enjoy what they are doing and they are getting a lot of prizes ... So I don't agree with Beerbaum's "every show jumper does it" and I don't believe that it is necessary to use that technique. Be it touching or rapping. It is not fair to the horse, even if it should prove to be not harmful or causing injuries. You are cheating your partner into thinking that the horse made a mistake. Why would you want that?
@Alicia Aa Yes, it should be banned. I don't see the point in that method. Either the horse is careful on its on or it should not be used in jumping competitions. I bought my horse for jumping, but it turned out that it was not her specialty. So we only jump for fun when she wants to (she will walk up to a hurdle and stare at it, if she wants to jump. And she is VERY persistent at that).
"Touching" is used to protect the quilt. They no more touch the horse than an extremely twisted bit doesn't cut into a horses mouth. They smack the crap out of those horses. If a horse doesn't have the natural talent to jump the higher jumps (as you pointed out), get a different horse that does.
@@janets6474 As long as LDR remains an acceptable technique as long as it is done for 10 minutes or less, "Touching" will be allowed, too, I fear ... This is one of the reasons I stopped going to riding competition. If the FEI and the FN do not change their rules, I won't spend money for tournaments.
I myself have witnessed such cruelty. I was in Lake Placid years ago, watching Grand Prix horse show jumping (just after Barney Ward went to jail for cruelty to animals). There was a break, so I started wandering around the grounds. I noticed someone practicing in a warm-up ring. As I got closer, I was astonished at what I saw. McClain Ward was schooling a jumper over fences. There was a person on the ground with a metal rod, smacking the horse on the stomach every time he went over a jump. I was young when this happened. If I saw this today, I would do the same thing. Take a secret video, then go right up to them and give them a thrashing. How would they like getting smacked in the belly?! This was over 20 years ago. Just think of the number of horses abused in this way and all those who participated without saying a word. This guy isn't the only one who should face charges. Those who stand idly by or help in the abuse should face charges as well
I always felt that McClain Ward should have a lifetime ban and not be permitted to compete purely based on his association with his father’s deeds. He was old enough to make his own choices, knew about it and stood by it. With an atrocity like that, that’s enough! Your story makes me wonder why on earth that hasn’t happened.
@spellywelly Good point! I agree! His dad works with him now, too. I saw a video of him walking through his training stable, and some comments were made by Barney Ward.
@Jon wp You are so right! That's why these Olympians get very defensive when they're filmed secretly behind their closed doors. I don't know how many of you remember the stink that Anky Van Grunsven made over her being filmed using Rollkur on a training horse and then it being leaked! If they were training on the up and up, they would welcome visitors all the time to marvel at their outstanding training skills.
@@jinxkrug7000 If the governing bodies wanted to they could address this situation. They don't. They used to use hedgehog skins on the poles , I shudder to think what they have in the bandages or if they even use electrical shocks. These horses do their upmost never to touch a fence. I think most of us can see a genuine piaffe or one that has been developed with more than a helping touch. So much animal abuse is accepted by the authorities and also the general public. That's why I never eat animals because I know what goes on behind closed doors in the animal ag. industries.
These are the moments I really truly hate our community. The way a lot of people react to this is just disgusting. Maybe even worse than what Ludger did. Don't get me wrong, I detest him for doing this. First of all, I do not understand why in hell 'touching' is allowed. It is simply abusive. Maybe not physically. The average showjumper might hit his/her horse harder with their whips. (not that that's not abusive btw..) But mostly the mental aspect of it is not just unethical, but simply cruel. It's misleading/decieving/befooling your horse. Who thought they did good at that jump, who put all of their effort into the jump, tried their hardest to please the rider. It's just a big FU to your horse.. But what I don't understand, and might despise even more are all the "Oh, this happens everywhere"-people. Honestly, if I would've ever seen any proof of it, I would've taken my phone out immediately and film every single bit of it. And NO, it does NOT happen everywhere. I can name 20 showjumpers who I know for certain do not do this. And I don't even know many showjumpers.. But i've seen enough of their terrain, trainings, talked long and extentively with them about methods in the equestrian sport, that I can say with 100% certainty they won't do this. And again, NO, a great jumper isn't always barred somewhere in their lives. Someone who thinks this probably has never had a actual great modern jumper (since the beginning of his life obviously..). Some really are that careful. And sure, I'm not even nearly naive enough to think he's the only one who does this. In some way it might even be legal.. I doubt it, a simple calculation shows chances are big that stick weights more than 2kg. But that doesn't make this less despicable. I won't say anything about those pointy poles, I don't even have words for that kind of cruelty. I just hope the FEI and FN, and maybe the german government, can come up with an actual punishment. Not some fine he has to pay. Just give him a ban for life.. It's not that difficult. At this point I wouldn't even mind if they ban all 'professional horseriding'. It's the money that causes this, and it simply is impossible to get the money out of the game. So lets just take the game away. I honestly do not know what else could work.
@Claudia - So well written & expressed Claudia. 👍👏👏👏 The FEI needs to come into the 22nd century. Changes need to be implemented ASAP, in regard to: types of bits allowed, banning double reins, a total ban on Rolkur training, a ban on any type of Poling, (or tapping - whatever you want to call it) mandatory daily turnout & weekly days off for all Show/Competative Horses & zero Spurs allowed. These horses give their all, but sadly, most are abused. The big shame is that many riders/trainers STILL don't think they're being abusive (Dinosaurs 🦕) & continue to train the next impressionable generation to think their Old School ways are actually good. I can no longer watch Jumping, Dressage shows, the Triple Crown races & even the Decathalon in the Olympics! I simply can't support cruelty of any type. Until the FEI changes the rules, I hold them equally as responsible for the abuse to horses, as I do the trainers, etc. Finally, why is the FEI so opposed to "Bitless" riders? To me, that should be a rider's choice & shows true partnership between horse & rider. Fear induced training is despicable.
Well said!! The only fitting punishment is banning them from ever showing again. With these strict standards, it will certainly make most people think twice before trying such cruelty. If the general horse population begins to have too much difficulty in negotiating higher, wider jumps, maybe it would be wiser to scale back the jumps. I remember many years ago ( unfortunately, I date myself here) when they used to jump ditches on event courses. But too many horses and riders were getting seriously hurt or dying, so they stopped using them. Time for radical changes for equestrians who are seemingly out of control. Accountability is necessary for riders, trainers, owners, participants and the overarching show officials who allow it to continue.
@@janets6474 - yes! I was at the National Horse Show in NYC, Madison Square Garden (when it was held there) for the main feature - the Sat. Night Jump Off. A horse CLEARED a 7'2" WALL... they FINALLY had the sense to stop it at that point. I thought that was INSANE. I never attended again. So dangerous for the horse... and rider. Goes back to the old quote: Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. 😡
I stopped showing at an early age. I couldn't take the abuse. The horses were so hyped & unhappy. My choice was to take myself out of showing. I didn't want to be part of that group as I respected & loved horses too, too much. I went against trainers/instructors cruel methods & did things my way - no cruelty, no abuse, no crops, no spurs! I wanted horses to WANT to give me their best, not because they were whipped or beaten into submission. Patience & listening to your horse can bring great results & form a true partnership.
Bloody wooden rod, injured, traumatized horse, but" "Everything is alright people, the law wasn't broken, so what is the problem??? " or: "Your Honor, it is true that I beat the victim to unconsciousness, but it was ONLY that 1 time. I always help older ladys to cross the street, and I never kicked a puppy!" what GOOD judge would drop the charges in that kind of a situation??? This is what our world became, not only in relation to animal treatment...
Paul Schockemöhle said he grew up with those technics. So it is more familiar in showjumping and many people know it. What about dressage? Using touching sticks to get legs in higher position?
So.... the FEI, by allowing "tapping" is stating that GASLIGHTING a horse is OK??? 😡🤬 Teaching your horse not to trust their own judgment & that what they are seeing (how high a jump truly is) is wrong. I despise humans who can do this, as well as other kinds of abusive methods like - Shock Spurs, Poling, Rolkur, putting painful objects in boots & leg wraps & on & on. Shame on you FEI. They need to have 50% Horse Centric Veterinarians on the Rules panel.
@@DressageHub - agree, and the way the Judges conduct 'scoring' is so biased & prone to subjectivity. They need to figure out a truly FAIR scoring system. Show Jumping has listed points for faults, etc. & their are no questions as to how a team (rider & horse) are scored - Dressage & FEI needs to wake up & change scoring rules to be fair - ASAP!
Why do you start a sentence with So...? There is no need for this word and your statement is not consequential upon any other prior question- therefore, drop the So at the beginning of a sentence - it sounds demented.
Nur 4x im Jahr, Peter? Bitte beachte doch das rechte Maß zwischen Lob und Strafe, wie die Lobby so schön sagt. Also ich schlage vor : 4x am Tag und jeweils 2 Zuckerstückchen danach. Damit das Vertrauen nicht verloren geht.
touching means hitting a stationary target, while rapping is an active movement towards the legs, which is obviously shown in the video...so it's illegal and should be fined as hard as possible. BTW even touching should'nt be allowed...everybody should try "touching" on his own shin...i can help with this...
I like it. But, fining is not enough. Stricter punishments are in order. Jail time and a banishment from showing are what's necessary. It will also be a deterant for any other person who thinks about doing it.
Something they have also begun to do. Is putting something pointy under the leg protection, so if the horse swipes the bar, it hurts.. Harder to catch on video, as it's hidden under the tack.
It's not new. It's old school and no one does that anymore. If someone wants to abuse a horse, they do it behind closed doors and make sure no one is around. What you saw in this video was not abuse. It's a teaching method!
The german PETA website displayed this wrong and slandered the whole equestrian community, but we all know that this guy does not belong anywhere close to horses
Show jumping large fences is cruel with or without rapping. It puts enormous strain on a horses legs and hooves, this is scientifically proven. People want to jump, not horses. Unfortunately, they are silent sufferers and will do as asked to their own detriment.
My full statement about this video: 1- is it wrong? Yes! 2- should it be banned? Yes 3- the horses should only be trained with love and respect, not tricked! 4- but Ludger is an horseman who knows what he's doing. He is not an animal abuser and I'm sure there are many unfit trainers who do worst than this. Keep an eye out folks.
Exactly! He knows what he is doing; therefore, there is no punishment to small for him or ANYONE who participates or turns a blind eye to those who do!
Money and greed…. Horrific the way they treat these beloved horses, I am an equestrian and I see abuse in many forms tying a horses head down and many other things.. horrific.. If someone is willing to commit animal abuse they have no problem harming humans as well. It’s disgusting snd they will do whatever it takes to win. I love my horse no matter if we win or not.
I think when money and competition are involved it will attract some persons who have a predisposition to be unscrupulous and cruel. It is good this has now been brought to light globally it's the horses version of " Me Too". I hope this brings a better lives for horses everywhere. 🐎🐎🐎
I understand that you take advantage of this stupid buzz but I do not understand that he is attacked and that you associate him with a dressage rider either ....
I do hope justice is served, especially on the horses behalf. It's just so, so, so sick to see this shit go on, and it makes me continuously loose hope in humanity. Like, dear God, how sick do you have to be to do this stuff to an animal that just wants love and to please you?
Do you use a leash on your dog? Do you pull on it when he tries to runaway? Do you watch movies that use animals in their cast? Do you think those animals are just natural actors? Humans TEACH animals to do things! Have you been to a dolphin show? It's happening all around us. If you wanna get sick, they you're sick 24/7. This is not abuse in this video. It's teaching and does no harm!
@@samgolestanian9186 Oh, I've been waiting for someone to say something like this! First of all: You use a leash on your dog to protect yourself and others. You may trust that dog, but law states that it must be on leash. Why? Because dogs are a predatory animal, and they will go after anything, including children. If you want proof, in 2016(?), a young child was attacked by a dog, unprovoked. In 2017-2018 (one of the two), a woman was attacked by two dogs, unprovoked. In 2019, a woman was walking her dog, low and behold, they were attacked. Unprovoked. I could go on. Secondly: The animals used in casts have multiple ways to be trained. Yes, a lot can be abused, however the majority are not. Take the way Dan James trains his horses. Nothing but trust between them both. The horses used in liberty usually are trained with positive reinforcement. Rewarding the animal when it does something with a treat, slowly working to a pat. There are ground rules, but it's just the body language a horse would use, placed on the human body. Nothing that hasn't been seen before in the wild basically. Yes, as stated before, some horses receive abuse to get them to do what they want, but that number is minor, as I am sure they have to have their style approved by vets. To add on, yes dolphin shows are cruel. Cruel in a lot of ways. But here's the difference; dolphins are wild. They were never domesticated. You know what was? That's right, the horse. Good job on guessing that one! Finally: This IS abuse. You must live under a rock, because this is just abuse, and it's abuse in such a clear form, even a non-horse person could see it. How fucking dare you accuse me of not understanding these things, when I first hand know what goes on! For starters, I own a rescue horse, taken from the racing industry. That horse was so damn wound up from what they did, it was extremely hard to calm him down. Second of all, I have seen worse cases from this, and let me tell you now, this is an amazing way to BREAK your horse. Not the breaking in, but the breaking of a soul, of a mind. Yes! This isn't abuse! It's a great way to traumatise an animal. Stay in your lane del, and never tell me I don't know that something isn't what it is, cause I've got experience behind me that can tell me, and others, otherwise.
@@samgolestanian9186 interesting. Because you work with your dog with hard leash pops, because you like to watch SeaWorld and the strong animal abusing bullshit there, don't assume that all others are like you. Learn basics about horses, Dolphins and Dogs. 😉
What a pathetic excuse for doing this. I did something illegal but the fault is someone taped me doing it!! And even German Federation refuses to back him.
Even I don’t hate horses that much. Why punish everyone and the animals for the bad actions of some people or one person ? Ban the person, not the animals.
It’s not just Germans, it doesn’t matter the nationality. There will always be someone cruel and sadistic enough using abusive tactics. You’ll find it everywhere
Cowboys abuse horses, english abuse horses, anyone can abuse a horse. It's not down to where they are from! Don't be racist! And this was not abuse. It was teaching!
@@samgolestanian9186 I am not sure about the last part. That is still for the court to decide, if it was teaching or abuse. And as up to me, I think they should ban this method entirely. Horses usually don't want to crash into bars/poles, so they will jump high enough themselves. I don't see the necessity for this type of teaching.
This is a practice that's been done over 30 years.its not animal abuse,when the horse jumps you put a thiner pole behind the original pole so that the horse hits it and then you come at the jump again and the horse will put more effort.it is not done with every horse just the ones not showing respect for the jump.people need to get over this self rightiousness of judging everything they don't like as bad. unfortunately anytime an animal is being used for any kind of performance there will be instances were in one way or another it will be forced to do what's being asked.itd no different than a parent enforcing their authority and will over their children.
I think it’s quite an interesting thing to debate about..I’m a brilliant classical pianist and no one ever rapped my fingers with a ruler when I was a child
No, I am at a jumping stable, they don't use that technique. I have never seen anyone using that (except in those videos). The trainer at my stable learned her job from one of the top German riders. So I hope that said rider does not "touch" or "pole" or whatever you wanna call it, his horses (I don't know though). I know the rider is using some shady sales tactics though (exaggerating the riding education a horse got etc.)
There is a difference between teaching and abusing. Beerbaum is teaching! Same as dressage riders where they teach a horse to lift their legs by tapping with a stick. I am an animal lover and I respect those who fight animal abuse but what i'm seeing in this video is not abuse.
A dressage reader teaching a horse to piaffe for example is different. The tap on the bum and half halt is a CUE to tell the horse what to do. When a horse is going over a jump and the pole hits him, thats not a cue. You aren’t teaching a horse to pick up his legs what you are doing is teaching a horse to not trust his judgment and get overly stressed.
I agree, also people should realize that horses often hit plain wooden poles on their own accord, sometimes causing injury. In fact it is imperative for a horse to learn by hitting a few poles by mistake, this will teach him to be careful. For instance I can ride to a deep take-off distance and cause the horse to bump a pole which makes him more alert. Yes, some are abusive with this practice and should not be allowed to continue, however Ludgar doesn't appear to be doing this in a mean, aggressive manner.
Without defending this technique or the rider (just to clarify some translation errors in the Beerbaum statement) ...
The FEI said that planks/poles with edges, nails etc. are forbidden. Beerbaum claims to use "touching" with a round stick which is in accordance with the FEI guidelines. So the FEI did not contradict Beerbaum's statement (if he really used a round pole as he claims he did). Touching is actually allowed. And the "four times a year" were just touching, not pling/rapping (if you believe Beerbaum).
Beerbaum claims that the poles shown in the shed were for their fences or were sorted out and not used in training. Think of that what you will ...
My horse is at a stable were young horses are trained for higher class show jumping. Weirdly I have never seen anyone crouching behind jumps and "touching" the horses. Yet they jump really well, enjoy what they are doing and they are getting a lot of prizes ... So I don't agree with Beerbaum's "every show jumper does it" and I don't believe that it is necessary to use that technique. Be it touching or rapping. It is not fair to the horse, even if it should prove to be not harmful or causing injuries. You are cheating your partner into thinking that the horse made a mistake. Why would you want that?
Thanks for the info!
@Alicia Aa Yes, it should be banned. I don't see the point in that method. Either the horse is careful on its on or it should not be used in jumping competitions. I bought my horse for jumping, but it turned out that it was not her specialty. So we only jump for fun when she wants to (she will walk up to a hurdle and stare at it, if she wants to jump. And she is VERY persistent at that).
"Touching" is used to protect the quilt. They no more touch the horse than an extremely twisted bit doesn't cut into a horses mouth. They smack the crap out of those horses. If a horse doesn't have the natural talent to jump the higher jumps (as you pointed out), get a different horse that does.
@@janets6474 As long as LDR remains an acceptable technique as long as it is done for 10 minutes or less, "Touching" will be allowed, too, I fear ... This is one of the reasons I stopped going to riding competition. If the FEI and the FN do not change their rules, I won't spend money for tournaments.
The FEI needs to get rid of that rule. Why they allow this is beyond understanding!
Unfortunately it's all done in the name of money & greed & not caring about the welfare of the horse :(
"Suffering continues when good people do nothing".
Exactly!!!!l!
Exactly, horses cannot report abuse, that is why we have to be their voice.
I myself have witnessed such cruelty. I was in Lake Placid years ago, watching Grand Prix horse show jumping (just after Barney Ward went to jail for cruelty to animals). There was a break, so I started wandering around the grounds. I noticed someone practicing in a warm-up ring. As I got closer, I was astonished at what I saw. McClain Ward was schooling a jumper over fences. There was a person on the ground with a metal rod, smacking the horse on the stomach every time he went over a jump. I was young when this happened. If I saw this today, I would do the same thing. Take a secret video, then go right up to them and give them a thrashing. How would they like getting smacked in the belly?! This was over 20 years ago. Just think of the number of horses abused in this way and all those who participated without saying a word. This guy isn't the only one who should face charges. Those who stand idly by or help in the abuse should face charges as well
I've never liked McLain Ward. I can't understand how the USA idolises him. It's sick. 😒
@Phoenix X He is his father's son!! I guess Daddy helps him around his training facility.
@@janets6474 Very true!
I always felt that McClain Ward should have a lifetime ban and not be permitted to compete purely based on his association with his father’s deeds. He was old enough to make his own choices, knew about it and stood by it. With an atrocity like that, that’s enough!
Your story makes me wonder why on earth that hasn’t happened.
@spellywelly Good point! I agree! His dad works with him now, too. I saw a video of him walking through his training stable, and some comments were made by Barney Ward.
If I watch an international jumping class I can see easily that rapping is widespread. A lot happens behind closed doors.
@Jon wp
You are so right! That's why these Olympians get very defensive when they're filmed secretly behind their closed doors. I don't know how many of you remember the stink that Anky Van Grunsven made over her being filmed using Rollkur on a training horse and then it being leaked! If they were training on the up and up, they would welcome visitors all the time to marvel at their outstanding training skills.
@@jinxkrug7000 If the governing bodies wanted to they could address this situation. They don't.
They used to use hedgehog skins on the poles , I shudder to think what they have in the bandages or if they even use electrical shocks. These horses do their upmost never to touch a fence.
I think most of us can see a genuine piaffe or one that has been developed with more than a helping touch.
So much animal abuse is accepted by the authorities and also the general public. That's why I never eat animals because I know what goes on behind closed doors in the animal ag. industries.
You're about right. It amazes me what people will do. I'm always gonna be disgusted at the equine community when something like this is used.
So what of ALL the people involved with such cruelty. It's not just riders and trainers. Once again, the FEI is 'aol' on its oversight of cruelty.
How exactly can you see this?
These are the moments I really truly hate our community.
The way a lot of people react to this is just disgusting. Maybe even worse than what Ludger did.
Don't get me wrong, I detest him for doing this. First of all, I do not understand why in hell 'touching' is allowed.
It is simply abusive. Maybe not physically. The average showjumper might hit his/her horse harder with their whips. (not that that's not abusive btw..)
But mostly the mental aspect of it is not just unethical, but simply cruel. It's misleading/decieving/befooling your horse. Who thought they did good at that jump, who put all of their effort into the jump, tried their hardest to please the rider. It's just a big FU to your horse..
But what I don't understand, and might despise even more are all the "Oh, this happens everywhere"-people. Honestly, if I would've ever seen any proof of it, I would've taken my phone out immediately and film every single bit of it.
And NO, it does NOT happen everywhere. I can name 20 showjumpers who I know for certain do not do this. And I don't even know many showjumpers.. But i've seen enough of their terrain, trainings, talked long and extentively with them about methods in the equestrian sport, that I can say with 100% certainty they won't do this.
And again, NO, a great jumper isn't always barred somewhere in their lives. Someone who thinks this probably has never had a actual great modern jumper (since the beginning of his life obviously..). Some really are that careful.
And sure, I'm not even nearly naive enough to think he's the only one who does this. In some way it might even be legal.. I doubt it, a simple calculation shows chances are big that stick weights more than 2kg. But that doesn't make this less despicable.
I won't say anything about those pointy poles, I don't even have words for that kind of cruelty.
I just hope the FEI and FN, and maybe the german government, can come up with an actual punishment. Not some fine he has to pay. Just give him a ban for life.. It's not that difficult.
At this point I wouldn't even mind if they ban all 'professional horseriding'. It's the money that causes this, and it simply is impossible to get the money out of the game. So lets just take the game away. I honestly do not know what else could work.
@Claudia - So well written & expressed Claudia. 👍👏👏👏 The FEI needs to come into the 22nd century. Changes need to be implemented ASAP, in regard to: types of bits allowed, banning double reins, a total ban on Rolkur training, a ban on any type of Poling, (or tapping - whatever you want to call it) mandatory daily turnout & weekly days off for all Show/Competative Horses & zero Spurs allowed. These horses give their all, but sadly, most are abused. The big shame is that many riders/trainers STILL don't think they're being abusive (Dinosaurs 🦕) & continue to train the next impressionable generation to think their Old School ways are actually good. I can no longer watch Jumping, Dressage shows, the Triple Crown races & even the Decathalon in the Olympics! I simply can't support cruelty of any type. Until the FEI changes the rules, I hold them equally as responsible for the abuse to horses, as I do the trainers, etc. Finally, why is the FEI so opposed to "Bitless" riders? To me, that should be a rider's choice & shows true partnership between horse & rider. Fear induced training is despicable.
Well said!! The only fitting punishment is banning them from ever showing again. With these strict standards, it will certainly make most people think twice before trying such cruelty. If the general horse population begins to have too much difficulty in negotiating higher, wider jumps, maybe it would be wiser to scale back the jumps. I remember many years ago ( unfortunately, I date myself here) when they used to jump ditches on event courses. But too many horses and riders were getting seriously hurt or dying, so they stopped using them.
Time for radical changes for equestrians who are seemingly out of control. Accountability is necessary for riders, trainers, owners, participants and the overarching show officials who allow it to continue.
Yesssss, I agree 100%.
@@janets6474 - yes! I was at the National Horse Show in NYC, Madison Square Garden (when it was held there) for the main feature - the Sat. Night Jump Off. A horse CLEARED a 7'2" WALL... they FINALLY had the sense to stop it at that point. I thought that was INSANE. I never attended again. So dangerous for the horse... and rider. Goes back to the old quote: Just because you CAN, doesn't mean you SHOULD. 😡
@@mdee860 yes!!
Unfortunately this is an old "practice". I have seen this done in a warmup arena just before going in at least 40 years ago. When will it stop?! Ugh!
I stopped showing at an early age. I couldn't take the abuse. The horses were so hyped & unhappy. My choice was to take myself out of showing. I didn't want to be part of that group as I respected & loved horses too, too much.
I went against trainers/instructors cruel methods & did things my way - no cruelty, no abuse, no crops, no spurs! I wanted horses to WANT to give me their best, not because they were whipped or beaten into submission. Patience & listening to your horse can bring great results & form a true partnership.
Paul Schockemöhle did / does it
Bloody wooden rod, injured, traumatized horse, but" "Everything is alright people, the law wasn't broken, so what is the problem??? "
or: "Your Honor, it is true that I beat the victim to unconsciousness, but it was ONLY that 1 time. I always help older ladys to cross the street, and I never kicked a puppy!" what GOOD judge would drop the charges in that kind of a situation???
This is what our world became, not only in relation to animal treatment...
Paul Schockemöhle said he grew up with those technics. So it is more familiar in showjumping and many people know it.
What about dressage? Using touching sticks to get legs in higher position?
I’ve never seen or heard of that being done done, but it wouldn’t surprise me if some stupid idiots have attempted
Shocking...
So.... the FEI, by allowing "tapping" is stating that GASLIGHTING a horse is OK??? 😡🤬 Teaching your horse not to trust their own judgment & that what they are seeing (how high a jump truly is) is wrong. I despise humans who can do this, as well as other kinds of abusive methods like - Shock Spurs, Poling, Rolkur, putting painful objects in boots & leg wraps & on & on. Shame on you FEI. They need to have 50% Horse Centric Veterinarians on the Rules panel.
Gaslighting lives at the core of equestrian sport
@@DressageHub - agree, and the way the Judges conduct 'scoring' is so biased & prone to subjectivity. They need to figure out a truly FAIR scoring system. Show Jumping has listed points for faults, etc. & their are no questions as to how a team (rider & horse) are scored - Dressage & FEI needs to wake up & change scoring rules to be fair - ASAP!
Why do you start a sentence with So...? There is no need for this word and your statement is not consequential upon any other prior question- therefore, drop the So at the beginning of a sentence - it sounds demented.
Do the horses now have GasTaps?
Used to be called poling when I had horses. Terrible. But cheaters like this will always do it unfortunately. They don't care about horses at all.
I know, they are only in it to win it. Money and fame.💰
Ich würde Ludger Beerbaum auch gerne mal touchieren. Nur 4 Mal im Jahr...
Haha yes!
Nur 4x im Jahr, Peter? Bitte beachte doch das rechte Maß zwischen Lob und Strafe, wie die Lobby so schön sagt. Also ich schlage vor : 4x am Tag und jeweils 2 Zuckerstückchen danach. Damit das Vertrauen nicht verloren geht.
lol
He is one of my favorite show jumpers but now after watching this I am not sure anymore.
touching means hitting a stationary target, while rapping is an active movement towards the legs, which is obviously shown in the video...so it's illegal and should be fined as hard as possible.
BTW even touching should'nt be allowed...everybody should try "touching" on his own shin...i can help with this...
I like it. But, fining is not enough. Stricter punishments are in order. Jail time and a banishment from showing are what's necessary. It will also be a deterant for any other person who thinks about doing it.
Something they have also begun to do. Is putting something pointy under the leg protection, so if the horse swipes the bar, it hurts..
Harder to catch on video, as it's hidden under the tack.
That unfortunately has been happening for years
It’s horrific
It's not new. It's old school and no one does that anymore. If someone wants to abuse a horse, they do it behind closed doors and make sure no one is around. What you saw in this video was not abuse. It's a teaching method!
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They thought they were behind "closed" doors, in their private arena..
McLain Ward got caught doing that.
@@samgolestanian9186 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The german PETA website displayed this wrong and slandered the whole equestrian community, but we all know that this guy does not belong anywhere close to horses
YES CALL HIM OUT!
These people should be banned from showjumping permanently. There is NO EXCUSE FOR CRUELTY!!!
Show jumping large fences is cruel with or without rapping. It puts enormous strain on a horses legs and hooves, this is scientifically proven. People want to jump, not horses. Unfortunately, they are silent sufferers and will do as asked to their own detriment.
Oh yes, in the 80's and 90's I boarded at a place in Southern California and they had these plastic wraps on their poles.
Der Ludger Beerbaum Reiter den hätte ich auch ohne Video so eingeschätzt, dass er für seinen Erfolg auch Tier quälen würde.
My full statement about this video:
1- is it wrong? Yes!
2- should it be banned? Yes
3- the horses should only be trained with love and respect, not tricked!
4- but Ludger is an horseman who knows what he's doing. He is not an animal abuser and I'm sure there are many unfit trainers who do worst than this. Keep an eye out folks.
Exactly! He knows what he is doing; therefore, there is no punishment to small for him or ANYONE who participates or turns a blind eye to those who do!
The argument that there are worse trainers doesnt mean He is nowy guilty what he does
Money and greed…. Horrific the way they treat these beloved horses, I am an equestrian and I see abuse in many forms tying a horses head down and many other things.. horrific.. If someone is willing to commit animal abuse they have no problem harming humans as well. It’s disgusting snd they will do whatever it takes to win. I love my horse no matter if we win or not.
How do you feel about turning in severe abuse? It only continues because good people do nothing.
@@janets6474 We need to speak up and defend these animals as well as children orphans widows..Problem is most people are afraid to speak up…
@Kelly thyben Shame on them. Fear is no excuse. Fear is a weakness and selfish. The defenseless are exactly those we should defend.
I have four horses and cannot stand to see this
I think when money and competition are involved it will attract some persons who have a predisposition to be unscrupulous and cruel. It is good this has now been brought to light globally it's the horses version of " Me Too".
I hope this brings a better lives for horses everywhere. 🐎🐎🐎
We should use this training method on Ludger himself
😰 was für eine furchtbare Praxis
Schockemöhle
I understand that you take advantage of this stupid buzz but I do not understand that he is attacked and that you associate him with a dressage rider either ....
I do hope justice is served, especially on the horses behalf. It's just so, so, so sick to see this shit go on, and it makes me continuously loose hope in humanity. Like, dear God, how sick do you have to be to do this stuff to an animal that just wants love and to please you?
Do you use a leash on your dog? Do you pull on it when he tries to runaway? Do you watch movies that use animals in their cast? Do you think those animals are just natural actors? Humans TEACH animals to do things! Have you been to a dolphin show? It's happening all around us. If you wanna get sick, they you're sick 24/7. This is not abuse in this video. It's teaching and does no harm!
@@samgolestanian9186 Oh, I've been waiting for someone to say something like this!
First of all:
You use a leash on your dog to protect yourself and others. You may trust that dog, but law states that it must be on leash. Why? Because dogs are a predatory animal, and they will go after anything, including children. If you want proof, in 2016(?), a young child was attacked by a dog, unprovoked. In 2017-2018 (one of the two), a woman was attacked by two dogs, unprovoked. In 2019, a woman was walking her dog, low and behold, they were attacked. Unprovoked. I could go on.
Secondly:
The animals used in casts have multiple ways to be trained. Yes, a lot can be abused, however the majority are not. Take the way Dan James trains his horses. Nothing but trust between them both. The horses used in liberty usually are trained with positive reinforcement. Rewarding the animal when it does something with a treat, slowly working to a pat. There are ground rules, but it's just the body language a horse would use, placed on the human body. Nothing that hasn't been seen before in the wild basically. Yes, as stated before, some horses receive abuse to get them to do what they want, but that number is minor, as I am sure they have to have their style approved by vets.
To add on, yes dolphin shows are cruel. Cruel in a lot of ways. But here's the difference; dolphins are wild. They were never domesticated. You know what was? That's right, the horse. Good job on guessing that one!
Finally:
This IS abuse. You must live under a rock, because this is just abuse, and it's abuse in such a clear form, even a non-horse person could see it.
How fucking dare you accuse me of not understanding these things, when I first hand know what goes on! For starters, I own a rescue horse, taken from the racing industry. That horse was so damn wound up from what they did, it was extremely hard to calm him down. Second of all, I have seen worse cases from this, and let me tell you now, this is an amazing way to BREAK your horse. Not the breaking in, but the breaking of a soul, of a mind. Yes! This isn't abuse! It's a great way to traumatise an animal.
Stay in your lane del, and never tell me I don't know that something isn't what it is, cause I've got experience behind me that can tell me, and others, otherwise.
@@samgolestanian9186 Shame on you.
@@samgolestanian9186 interesting. Because you work with your dog with hard leash pops, because you like to watch SeaWorld and the strong animal abusing bullshit there, don't assume that all others are like you.
Learn basics about horses, Dolphins and Dogs. 😉
Fair discussion. I respect you cuz you care for animals and help them. I just don't see this as an abuse. Best of luck to you. 🌹
What a pathetic excuse for doing this. I did something illegal but the fault is someone taped me doing it!! And even German Federation refuses to back him.
Lovely FEI rules
Just look at the champions for stallions all over the world. Their jumps is not natural, they are far over so looking at this is really nothing.
Sport with animals has to be prohibited finally!!!
Even I don’t hate horses that much. Why punish everyone and the animals for the bad actions of some people or one person ? Ban the person, not the animals.
Paul Schockemöhle Dokumentation,
mit Barren
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Wow... German abuses horse .... not new....
Yeah, sure - only Germans abuse their horses ...
It’s not just Germans, it doesn’t matter the nationality. There will always be someone cruel and sadistic enough using abusive tactics. You’ll find it everywhere
Cowboys abuse horses, english abuse horses, anyone can abuse a horse. It's not down to where they are from! Don't be racist! And this was not abuse. It was teaching!
@@samgolestanian9186 I am not sure about the last part. That is still for the court to decide, if it was teaching or abuse. And as up to me, I think they should ban this method entirely. Horses usually don't want to crash into bars/poles, so they will jump high enough themselves. I don't see the necessity for this type of teaching.
Oh i 100% agree they should ban this method. I 100% think animals should be loved and trusted not tricked.
That’s not poling. It’s a touch.
You should see what true poling looks like.
That still doesent change anything? No matter how light the touch is it still teaches the horse that they cannot trust their own judgment
Rapping is horrific in the 60s and 70s sone riders even put barbed wire around the poles too
They use the pointy plastic material from the flooring department now. I think it's for rugs.
Ugh :(
Very interesting in light of recent events.
EVERYONE does this .
He Just got caught ?!
POS
What a shame !
I hate this sport!
I will like and amuse this nonsense sport when the horse are riding the person
Not the person the horse !
Go play golf!
@@samgolestanian9186 who are you ?
Lapuag ka !
None of your business
You go home and take your medecines!
This is a practice that's been done over 30 years.its not animal abuse,when the horse jumps you put a thiner pole behind the original pole so that the horse hits it and then you come at the jump again and the horse will put more effort.it is not done with every horse just the ones not showing respect for the jump.people need to get over this self rightiousness of judging everything they don't like as bad. unfortunately anytime an animal is being used for any kind of performance there will be instances were in one way or another it will be forced to do what's being asked.itd no different than a parent enforcing their authority and will over their children.
I think it’s quite an interesting thing to debate about..I’m a brilliant classical pianist and no one ever rapped my fingers with a ruler when I was a child
Literally every showjumper does this. Every single young stallion that's being shown at a korung was barred prior.
No, I am at a jumping stable, they don't use that technique. I have never seen anyone using that (except in those videos). The trainer at my stable learned her job from one of the top German riders. So I hope that said rider does not "touch" or "pole" or whatever you wanna call it, his horses (I don't know though). I know the rider is using some shady sales tactics though (exaggerating the riding education a horse got etc.)
That’s false information, not every showjumper does this not even the majority. Stick to the facts
No! Not everyone does this, and not all stallions need it!
@@samgolestanian9186 no stallion need abusive bullshit like that. 😂
Not every showjumper does this, and even if it was the case, it's still unacceptable
There is a difference between teaching and abusing. Beerbaum is teaching! Same as dressage riders where they teach a horse to lift their legs by tapping with a stick. I am an animal lover and I respect those who fight animal abuse but what i'm seeing in this video is not abuse.
Aaaah shut up.
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A dressage reader teaching a horse to piaffe for example is different. The tap on the bum and half halt is a CUE to tell the horse what to do. When a horse is going over a jump and the pole hits him, thats not a cue. You aren’t teaching a horse to pick up his legs what you are doing is teaching a horse to not trust his judgment and get overly stressed.
I agree, also people should realize that horses often hit plain wooden poles on their own accord, sometimes causing injury. In fact it is imperative for a horse to learn by hitting a few poles by mistake, this will teach him to be careful. For instance I can ride to a deep take-off distance and cause the horse to bump a pole which makes him more alert. Yes, some are abusive with this practice and should not be allowed to continue, however Ludgar doesn't appear to be doing this in a mean, aggressive manner.
Olympiasieger in der Tiertyrannei....
Ugh!
Sick