Ukrainian Marines Deploy RBS-17 Missiles
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- Опубліковано 26 вер 2024
- RBS-17 anti-ship missiles have been used in Ukraine since autumn 2022 and we've looked at them in the past [ • Swedish RBS-17 Anti-Sh... ] but some excellent footage of them in use has surfaced necessitating a fresh look.
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Thanks for watching, as always here's the accompanying article for the video (with sources etc). armourersbench.com/2024/08/02/ukrainian-marines-deploy-rbs-17-missiles/
Given enough men, I suppose just about every weapons system is "man portable".
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Man portable ballistic missile? :D
48 Kg is a bit of a heft I'll admit!
I was thinking 48kg sounded more like "men portable"
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Never realized just how big a hellfire is until you see those two dudes carrying one. That loading tray is ingenious.
I thought that about the tray too.
Interesting the system was original made for the Swedish "Marine Corp" that would use Robot 17 as a light anti ship missile, and attack Russian ship that enter the the Swedish archipelago from small islands. Not the missile was not expected to sink a large ship, but to harass them, and the large ships cant continue through the minefield, if the smaller minesweeper was disable by Robot 17 attacks.
Robot = guided missile
As we see, rocket really powerful and any Russian mosquito navy afraid this rocket.
but it seems here attacking buildings
@@janseger1693 Well, you use what you to attack what the enemy has, right? These were originally given to Ukraine when a forced landing in Odessa seemed like something that might actually happen, but as the Russian navy has grown increasingly gunshy in the Black Sea there hasn't been many targets available that the system was developed for. However, the laser targeting system doesn't care if you aim it at an approaching landing craft or a building occupied by the enemy.
A bit like the 'portable' PCs of old. More along the lines of 'luggable'. On the other hand, as long as it is doing a good job for whatever they use it for.
Yup, it was originally designed as an ambush weapon for island hopping amphibious infantry of the Swedish Costal Artillery.
And island is doing a lot of heavy lifting in the context. (Typical Swedish archipelago= area of 40-150 granite cliffs sticking out of the sea in a cluster at the mouth of a river estuary where about half are no bigger above the surface than an average family car, but many are around the size of a hockey rink and the largest are about the size of a major international airport, and any islet big enough to have cracks that's accumulated permanent soil is covered in pines, juniperbushes and thorny wild raspberry vines, with many housing one or more fishing huts, hamlets and summer cottages with jettys and private boats or public commuter ferry stops.
Some of those cottages or fishibg huts however, were not what they appeared to be, they hid bunker entrances in plain sight, and inside those bunkers were small three-five man sonar, or radio listening posts that also controlled a number of local permanent seabed mine blockades that crisscrossed every approach along the entire Swedish coastline deep enough for a soviet ro-ro ship or wide enough for a zubr assault hoovercraft prior to 2003 when the entire Costal Artillery branch was disbanded to enable political tax cuts for the capitalist class...
@@SonsOfLorgar Thanks for the info. Yes, too many politicians were too eager for the 'peace dividend' that enhanced the wealth of them and their friends.
Man portable is certainly stretching the definition lol
Yeah, 5 man team for a reason lol
Single shot, 8km range (assuming that is, you know, on the ocean), 5 guys, think maybe they need to include a mule or something to do the actual hauling.
@@LackofFaithify Mules cost money, conscripts be free!
@@TheArmourersBench gotta have a brigade dissasemble and reassemble a corvette on next exercise. world's first portable ship
Well the Swedish use was as ambush sea attack missile in coastal archipelago. Pretty much with landing boat to a small island one wouldn't think to contain anything (since it doesn't really just one of the thousands, try to guess on which few tens along the coast there is missile team at this moment (given how many missile teams are mobilized at any time), most likely not the obvious one, but the one next to it, or is that the obvious one). As said, land, drag the pelican cases out of landing craft to shore, rug into the island, set up and camouflage the missile launchers. Then wait for enemy to appear or not in the shooting arch. Fire upon arriving enemy and then bug the hell out, since they know "on that nook there is missile, naval fires, air support, make the surface of that island disappear".
As such it isn't meant as offensive mobile fires really. As said it is defensive ambush missile to be put up and moved between strategic/tactical choke points with one hell of a punch, should the enemy try to push through that choke. Like it has to be strategically fast transportable as in, it can be in different place within hours, bit it isn't one to be set up under fire as reactionary asset into the front line. Main benefit is, it is so low profile, even as set up it might be missed. 5 guys.... on an Island, oh that is just observation patrol, lookouts, not worth wasting munitions and announcing presence.... ohhh helll, that is a hellfire flying towards us from those 5 guys. Plus camouflaged under nets, not even the 5 guys are visible nor the launcher, second before the missile leaves the rail. Maybe you saw a flashing glimpse of maybe a single guy on that little Island.
Then again as said, pretty hazardous for the missile team *after the missile leaves the rail* .
Not that “man portable” but it does pack a lot of boom in there. There are advantages to not being so portable.
it needs a twin beside it and mounted to the bed of a Toyota pick up. (make hundreds of pickups like it) Keep feeding them until the orcs go home. Then recover the stolen land! pooty needs to be put in his place.
The Anti Ship models of the Hellfire are usually equipped with Semi-Armor Piercing High Explosive warheads. The original warhead had a hardened blunt nosed steel case with internal scoring, and had a filler of PBXN-109 Aluminised Explosive, in some models with added Zirconium for extra Incendiary Effect.
New model is Thermobaric: "The Hellfire missile now comes with a thermobaric warhead, which is designated AGM-114N. This warhead is of the SDF/MAC type, consisting of a PBXN-112 charge (97% HMX, 3% binder) and an outer layer of aluminum powder mixed with PTFE. At the temperature of an HMX detonation teflon acts as an oxidizer on aluminum, making aluminum fluoride which - unlike aluminum oxide - is a gas at that temperature, so suppresses the formation of an oxide coat."
Both warhead models work very well against bunkers and other structures.
Thanks for the video
The number of weapon systems the Ukrainians have to master is pretty impressive.
Another elusive item to look into is the CV90, I have only seen it driving by on roads, but no combat footage at all. I wonder if some kind of NDA has been set on it..
I wonder about that for a few weapon systems.
I heard they don't share footage so as not to show what area they are operating in. Apparently Russia is hunting for these systems. I have seen one drone video of a CV90 blasting a trench, and dropping off troops in an assault.
@@TheArmourersBench yes, The big Swedish donated systems came with a "please keep out of the media focus as much as possible" rider.
@@the_hate_inside1085 didn't they stop using em after the spring counter offensive, plus it's IFV not an F-16 , IF they are being using we'll see em getting chased by an drone sooner or later
@@Sunshine-sl3kr No, they are used, and from what I hear, to great effect. The Ukrainians have praised them, and are securing orders for more. The Russians have even brought home trophy CV90s.
Marines no matter which nation always find a way to get more gun
I really want a 3-channel DJ mixer looking like the night view of the console... Aesthetic, and practical!
Seems like a pretty useful weapon
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Very interesting usage of AGM-114. They are predominantly used in an anti-armor role in western militaries, which is how I've seen them typically employed. They are laser guided (LTD = Laser Target Designator) and have a range of roughly 10-14 KM, depending on altitude of launch. I'd be curious in their guidance methodology here. Drones with laser target designators? Curious what kind of drone has that power output capability. An LTD isn't just a laser pointer, its a high powered laser which does not appear to the naked eye but is high energy enough to cause severe eye damage and even skin irritation. A drone capable of that is definitely possible, but the power output of that platform definitely makes it bigger than any Mavic system that is typically used in a recon role. Also, why haven't we seen them used against armored formations? Having two or three of these to obliterate enemy tank formations en route would be perfect since these things are designed to hit moving targets...
It seems like Swedish politicians are worried about backlash if the weapons donated are shown killing people.
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This is pretty wild stuff. I bet neither Ukraine nor Sweden wanted these videos on the web. 3:50 looks like an amazing Christmas present to me.
Looking forward to the F-16 episode
General Hecker said two weeks ago Ukraine was a long way from using F-16s in combat. With only 4-6 trainee pilots & 30 maintenance personnel in tech school, he's right.
But the Ukrainians are sure trying to make us think they're already flying combat sorties with fake videos and pictures everywhere.
russias navy in the black sea never had a chance.
Yeah those Russian navy houses are shaking in fear
@majestic._ well obviously they are now using it on normal targets since the russian navy doesn't even dare to come close to kherson since most of it already got destroyed
Besides the first few, the rest all appeared to be deployed around the Dnipro.
No bulsae 4 video?
Even if i must admit it is quite on the edge but i think it is still man portable alright. An efficient use of 5-men team for sure. By the way i'm pretty sure the recent assassionation in Iran was done by something like RBS-17..
Nope. No way, I want nothing to do with carrying that thing in the field. 850 rounds of 5.56mm ss109 is my carry limit. That most Definitely is not an infantry weapon lol.
Well it was supposed to be a light anti-ship missile, but here it is used as basically an infantry gun(destroying targets at substantial range, within line of sight).
It was an ambush weapon for archipelago delaying actions...
Ie. You'd never carry it longer than 150-200m from the assault boat.
@@SonsOfLorgar yeah, I understand the purpose. I, as a former infantryman, still maintain.
Nope. Not carrying it.
@@DJSockmonkeyMusic Well, your choice of carrying it or facing off with a warship with your assault rifle.
@@znail4675 floaty boats are none of my business though. I'm a trees and holes kinda guy.
the configuration remind me of malyutka ATGM
If you can't get the missiles in by Heli or plane, just carry them in on your back I guess...
RBS-17 before MSBS?
I start to think, you made some bet about how long you can delay Grot video :D.
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Using a sophisticated laser-guided missile system to hit -- houses -- within it's 8 km range seems like a very expensive substitute for artillery.
But I'm just armchair generaling over here, what do I know.
Exactly my point.
Tell the Russians to park their navy a bit closer.
@@ZarkowsWorld Exactly. With the feared forced landing in Odessa never ending up happening and the Russian navy running scared there's not really many available targets for these systems. using them in whatever way you can is better than not using them
Not sure about those impact videos. This thing apparently has a 9kg (about 20 lbs) warhead, and those explosions look a bit bigger than that. Though maybe that's accounted for by the kinetic energy of the missile hit? I dunno, just wondering.
Any artillerymen or Seabee (specifically demolition) in here that can comment on whether the bang matches the warhead?
Yeah, which is why I am careful to say 'an impact' rather than 'the impact' see dubious videos with strikes edited in quite often.
Unlike the original Hellfire AGM that provides the missile body and laser riding targeting system, the Rb17 missile has, iirc, a reduced HEAT warhead supplemented by a substantial secondary HE/FRAG charge. The reduced HEAT warhead scaled to penetrate post WW2 ship hulls and allow the HE/FRAG charge to blow up inside the hull and shower the crew and equipment with thousands of metal pellets.
@@TheArmourersBench Yeah, just to be clear, I don't mean to suggest that you've done anything wrong. You've presented the material in a very unbiased manner. I'm just wondering if anybody here has the knowledge to comment on whether or not it's plausible that those impacts are in fact the results of this missile. To me, as a complete layman, it seems on the higher side of what you might expect to see from the supposed warhead this thing carries - but the discrepancy is not so big that I could confidently call those impact shots fake.
@@RaytheonTechnologies_Official my bet as a Swede who's father is a long retired staff officer of the Swedish costal artillery branch a branch that was dismantled in 2003, only leaving a single Amphibious battalion, my best guess is that the size of those house explosions was caused by the Rb17 igniting acuumulated dust and possibly other flammable things stored in the attic as the debris mixed with the air displaced from the shockwave, causing a "hollywood style" fireball effect.
Could be an EBX enhanced blast explosive. Basically adding aluminum powder and ammonium perchlorate to RDX for additional power.
48kg isn’t man-portable. 😒
Sure is, as long as soldiers cooperate some while carrying it.
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A lot of money to take off a roof….. specialised, high tech and high cost systems used for that?
It's designed as an anti-shipping missile. Ukraine is just running out of warships to target so uses them against other targets.
Edit, Sweden has enough Gripen C's to donate. They are not so rare that we can't spare 50 - 60 or so. This "Gripen is too rare" narrative keeps coming up repeatedly so I want to debunk it. Gripen E's, maybe. Gripen C's, no. There are enough Gripen C's to donate. // As happy as I am that these RBS-17 things seem to be helping, I wish we would donate Gripens. As for the elusive CV90's, Archers, and other Swedish goodies, I'm guessing there is a request to not film them in combat since we see so little of them. There was a short Archer video a while back, but it didn't show much firing from what I remember. There seems to be complicated politics involved with the Gripens.
There are two main reasons that Gripens isnt beeing donated, even if it would probably be one of the best planes available for the type of scenario Ukraine finds itself in. The first one is that introducing another type of aircraft at the same time as F-16s wouldnt really work right now, Ukraine doesnt have enough trained pilots and ground crews as it is today, and they are all busy trying to make the most out of the F-16s beeing introduced. The other factor is that Sweden simply doesnt have any spare Gripens, all of the currently existing ones are operational and beeing used by Sweden or other countries...
@@MrAnton275 I agree, as useful as the Gripen would be right now for Ukraine, there are so precious few of them and basically all are in active use. F16 on the other hand is available in decent numbers and many more will be available in the future.
To put it in a different way: Right here and now a handful of Gripen would be very useful for Ukraine. But for Ukraine to be able to start building a large powerful modern airforce with, let's say, a couple of hundred aircraft ... F16 is a good choice.
And yet, I still would love to see Gripen in Ukraine - this is after all exactly the war they were designed to fight.
@@martinsportfoto2423 not only is the F-16 available in much higher numbers but a large percentage of the forces currently using them I believe are looking to get rid of them to upgrade to f35s meaning you have countries that actually WANT to get rid of f-16s
@@MrAnton275 Good points. There's also the relative sizes of the stocks of parts and ammo for each plane-type (though there's, of course, a good bit of overlap in there). There's only so much stuff for Gripens, but there's oceans of support in Ukraine-allied nations for F16s. It's similar to the reasoning that makes the Leopard tanks a better choice in many ways for Ukraine than British or French tanks, which have much smaller support networks and caches in Europe than the far-more-common Leopard.
Donating Gripen Cs only works if a significant number of NATO aircraft are permanently based in Sweden. That in turn might give politicians ideas about being able to cut the size of the air force by relying on NATO air patrols, which certainly wouldn't be a good thing
Did it help a lot?
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It only has an 8km range and a 9kg warhead...
Yes, larger missiles would need to be vehicle mounted, or carried by ships or aircraft. This system is there for small teams of marines to strike e.g landing craft from concealed positions.
The fact that they are using the missiles on fixed targets like buildings is evidence that the Ukranians are still lacking sufficient 155mm ammunition.
It does not. Most of these videos are pretty old.
@@tottorookokkoroo5318 People can't think by themselves lol
Collection of old videos
Well all these videos date from 2023, it's just that they're pretty interesting in showing more use of the weapon.
No interesting description why they use ir
It changes nothing - Ukraine receives too few weapons and it takes too long. The capabilities of the Ukrainian fighters justify that they should receive much more support.
Too late
Needed them last year
All these videos are from last year. Only one of them is from this year.
Fort-600 video when 😭🥺
Yes! I need to do the MSBS first!
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Seems like a waste to use an advanced missile like this on something that could be hit with an artillery round.
Utilizing expensive, limited in number , anti ship weapons on targets that should have been left to the artillery.
considering they are not gonna being using them on ships anytime soon and that this is much more accurate than an artillery shell, I don't see the problem. sure they're limited in number but they're also have limited use so if they have the opportunity to use it I don't see why not.
Good training
@@rklkify and tbh, those things were in Swedish cold war stockpiles from when we were able to mobilise a bit over 10% of the total population as pre-trained conscript reserves with stockpiles scaled to support that army for up to a year of nation-wide defense in depth and guerilla warfare against a significant part of the contemporary Muskovite tyrant's forces in their objectives to secure Norwegian Narvik port and Swedish Kirunavaara iron mine in the Arctic, Gotland in the center and the passage out of the Baltic sea and Danish Bornholm in the South.
There are hundreds of thousands of the things, idk how many were donated though.
Not exactly a stealthy system. Sort of stands out.
Takes time to get into a toon too.
Can be concealed with e.g a good cammo net if one is on position, same with the group operating it, you set up a concealed post, not that much different to having a concealed observation post when conducting old school route/zone reconaissance.
Why not use the Hellfire 2 ground mount? DUH
DUH there is a reason for this
They're pretty similar
The Rb17 mount was the first ever ground mount for the Hellfire family...
Hmmmmm, you have Marines....but no Navy....?.....how the fuck do they get anywhere....they don't have Airborne, so it's not by plane.....?.....that would just make them Army. I mean Ukraine's entire military is Infantry and like 10 Pilots!
They did have a navy before 2014, it was stationed in Crimea and russians blocked the exit and forced a surrender of almost entire Ukrainian navy. They still had a frigate, a bunch of gunboats and a couple of landing ships and a frigate, but the frigate was undergoing repairs in Mykolaiv and since it looked like Mykolaiv might fall it was scuttled. In the end it wasn't taken but the repairs on said frigate don't seem to be feasible.
@@nylkul9933 Also they have recived a lot of small attackboats from sweden
The naval forces consist of five components - surface forces, submarine forces, naval aviation, coastal rocket-artillery and naval infantry.[9] In 2022, the Ukrainian navy had 15,000 personnel, including 6,000 naval infantry.[1]
The headquarters of the Ukrainian Naval Forces was, until the annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation, located at Sevastopol in Crimea.[9]
Ukraine had been scheduling to rebuild its naval forces since 2005[10][11] by building the domestic project 58250, the first Ukrainian designed and built corvette, as well as ordering four patrol boats in 2013 from Willard Marine.[12][13] Ukraine has also restarted the production of its Gryuza River Armed Artillery Boat.[14]
The navy previously operated in the Black Sea basin (including the Sea of Azov and Danube Delta). However, Russia has since gained complete control of the Sea of Azov and significant control of the Black Sea during the ongoing conflict.[9] Distant operations of the Ukrainian Navy are limited to multinational activities, such as Operation Active Endeavour and Operation Atalanta in the Mediterranean and Horn of Africa.
The Ukrainian flagship was scuttled in March 2022 during Russia's invasion to prevent its capture, and Russia's navy blocked Ukraine's access to the Black Sea.[15] This was overcome by using sea drones
You could say the same about Russia. They have loads of Naval Infantry and Airborne/Air Assault brigades who fight just like any other infantry. The fact that you think this is unique to Ukraine shows your general ignorance about military history. All airborne and marine forces across the world are either very small and specialised or just another flavour of regular soldiers for 99% of the time.
Bruh. U are so uninformed holy shit 🤦♂️
Are you still gonna do a video on the SCAR 16 and 17 in Ukraine?
3:00 Thats Good Stuff right there 🪓💥👻
Range?
8km, this video has more background armourersbench.com/2023/12/24/swedish-rbs-17-missiles-in-ukraine/
Rover?