I live in upstate NY in the Finger Lakes area. We up here like fresh air, real trees and clean water. We hate high crime, big government, large crowds, and traffic jams. People in upstate say hello to each other. We talk to our neighbors and look after each other.
I'm in the Mohawk Valley. I think the reason a lot of new York state is sparsely populated is because there is a ton of agricultural land here. You don't think of new York as a farming state but it is! Our highest exports are agricultural! Orchards are a type of farm too.
My profile pic was taken at the NY State Fair, where I heard "I can't do that." more every hour than I have heard at any other fair in all the times I played them put together. Not an embellishment. I call NY The I Can't Do That State.
Just moved up to the Glenns Falls area from Long Island. It was the best decision I ever made. The houses are cheaper and the cost-of-living is better up here. The only thing is you need to have a job lined up but the quality of life is definitely better up here
@@sean7134 Do you know what the average house costs in places like the San Francisco Bay Area, or the Los Angeles Area? Californian's in general may much more in Taxes. I'm guessing, like my relatives in New York, you could not afford a house in California. I own property in Texas and the taxes and other infrastructure fees are no picnic.
@@sean7134 The average cost of a house in the state of New York appears to be about half a million, while the average cost of a house in the stat of California is about eight hundred thousand. If a person does the math ten percent of eight hundred thousand is greater than twelve percent of half a million. Californians also pay a significant tax on fuel, utilities and other infrastructure. The sales tax may vary from county to county in each state, overall, it seems, California is a bit higher than New York state. That seems to be the basic subject of this video, many people live and relocate to the upstate New York Area due to the lower cost of living, not so much for the weather or an overabundance of high paying jobs. Based on your available financial information, I guess I understand why you do not want what you can or can’t afford to be widely known.
@@sean7134 I moved from Texas to NY last year. I prefer it up in Central NY because Texas companies pay far less than NY companies. It doesn't matter if I get taxed a few percentage points more if I end up with a 20-30% pay increase with a lower cost of living. What I pay in Rent and utilities in CNY is less than just the rent cost in Texas. Plus I don't have to spend 200-300 a month during the summer for electricity because of ERCOT's incompetence.
Being from Buffalo, my biggest annoyance is the lack of infrastructure and the public transport. All these taxes and we don’t see any of them being used for the city we live in. Another thing worth mentioning is NYC gets the energy generated from Niagara Falls, and in return we get their garbage in our land fills gracefully placed right next to the falls.
Property tax rates may be high, but it doesn't matter much if houses are cheap. When I bought a house in Binghamton in 2009, a really nice house in a nice location was $100-$130K. We paid ours off in 10 years, and even if you throw in 30 years of "high" property taxes the total would still be less than what people are paying in other parts of the country.
I live in Amherst, NY(suburb of Buffalo.) There are people paying more for a condo the size of one of my bathrooms than my whole house costs. The property taxes suck but there are a lot more amenities here and you don't have someone else living right on top of you.
@@albert-gf6qf I agree, but I wouldn't even say the property taxes suck. I guess they must suck in theory, because they are high in percentage terms, but the actual amount of money I hand over is less than my family members pay in other states, since houses here are far less expensive.
Lived in Huntsville, AL. Ft. Lauderdale/Jacksonville Fl. (about 10yrs) Upstate NY. between Utica and Rochester in small/medium towns the other 40. Love the snow, the hills, the lakes, and autumn is absolutely gorgeous. I am here to stay.
@@JamesThomas-dn6hz I spent decades as a journalist in upstate New York. People in CNY would claim they were upstate and no one else was. People in the North Country claimed they were upstate and no one else was. The argument is so parochial. I do love upstate New York.
@@JamesThomas-dn6hz Understood, I'd argue that 'upstate' has become a catch-all term meaning not NYC. When I mention New Hartford, I add 'not Connecticut' and when I refer to Newark, I say 'Not New Jersey'.
@@ntucson669 Yes! In.high school the further north you lived the more status you had. There were tons of businesses that used north or northern in their names.
I was born in Rochester NY in 1959 when Rochester was alive and humming with Xerox, Kodak, Bausch and Lomb, Champion sportswear and Nalge Plastics running at full steam. My Dad worked for Xerox and I worked at Kodak. Stayed at Kodak for several years before going off to university. I even graduated from Syracuse University in 1982. It was a wonderful time to be a western New Yorker. My grand parents lived in the Bronx, so I got plenty of time in NYC as well. Unfortunately, times have changes and western NY has changed with it, but I still have many friends from Brighton High School that NEVER left Rochester to explore the world. Rochester was a great place to grow up and I do miss western new york at times.
"NEVER left Rochester to explore the world", this is the way. In my 30s been here since a baby. Rent is dirt cheap (homes are prices are currently going down), essential stores are at a maximum 30 minutes away. Good home base, easy to save. My lady and I like to travel. I do think this guy overexaggerated a lot of this information.
Without NYC, upstate would’ve been as poor as the entire state of Kentucky, which is dirt poor. We taxed the living hell out of NYC, to keep upstate afloat
friend lives upstate....and i gotta say its a pain to go anywhere....nearest costco is 40 miles away. EVERYTHING is minimum, 40 miles away....very harsh on the car, and forces you to become dependent on town's resources....
Moved to Orchard Park 2 years ago from Cape Coral Florida, it honestly feels like I've found a hidden paradise. It's so quiet and peaceful, and cheap. My pay also doubled for literally doing the exact same job I used to do in Florida, and my rent halved, even though I went from a duplex to a house with a 1 acre backyard. The state parks up here are so beautiful and I never have to deal with crowds of people. The snow comes down, then it melts, then it comes down again. Getting dark at 4:30 is a difference too, but overall much better lifestyle up here. Now everybody stay the fuck away so it stays that way. Go to Florida.
LOL, I live about 15 minutes away from Orchard Park. And our last 3 winters have been unusually mild. You have not experienced a true western NY winter yet. And whatever you are smoking I want some. NY is many things but a paradise is not one of them. A large percentage of us are looking to get out.
2 years, eh? Your car likely has about another 2 or 3 years left before it rots out from under you due to the road salt. That's one big drawback that was overlooked in the video.
@kjjosker well, paradise is subjective. You're from here and therefor have had all of your negative experiences here. As someone who's from Uticas and currently living in Rochester I can confidently say that there are many way worse places to live. Florida was awful, as was Louisiana, Texas was cool, Virginia is an open air prison and their cops are essentially gestapo, most of the western U.S. is desert and uninhabitable, the Midwest is more abandoned than upstate, where would you like to go that's so much better?
I live in Syracuse. The NYC and Upstate divide has always been an issue. NYC gets better funding for schools and transportation while Upstate pays for Buffalo Bills Stadium. We ALWAYS get dumped with snow and average well over 100” a season but we have top notch snow removal. Our winters are like Arizona summers where you spend more time indoors. Unless you like winter sports. We don’t have snow all winter but in bursts so it does give relief. My big issue is the lack if sunlight. We have the best apples and love Beak n Skiff alone with our wineries. There are so many parks and things to do outside all year round. We don’t want to be like Florida or Texas and don’t want the heavy population and industry to destroy our water and land. You can do that in any Red State. Yes we pay more but we also get the benefits that people don’t get in other states.
Texas is no where near being paved over. It’s still massively and has an insanely large rural area. You can play google street view tourist to get an idea. Florida also has a large rural area, tons of land is state/national/county parks and forest, but not as much is the kind of rural where I’m going crazy because my job is to arrange for home health care for patients and no one has any availability within a 50 mile radius like in Texas.
I'm also in Syracuse. I've lived in Syracuse for almost 30 yrs. If we split from downstate, we'd lose most of our state tax revenue. NYC has more economic activity than most nations. It's 8% of the entire NATION. There is something like $100 trillion in capitalization just on Wall Street One thing they do downstate that is horribly irresponsible is they pay a drastically lower property tax rate bc the real estate is so much more valuable.
@@mar.c1one party rule because of urbanites. The governor doesn't tend to represent NY state. Even Hochul said if you don't vote a certain way you should leave.
@@rumble2468 right? people dont understand taxes at the federal level. most of the country is subsidized by a hand full of economic power houses in the country
80% of all N.Y.S. tax revenue comes from downstate. We pay high taxes downstate in addition, NYC pays a city tax. Upstate N.Y. is chronically depressed and is largely subsidized by downstate.
Here in the lower Hudson Valley we get the best of both worlds. Easy access to nature, particularly the Catskills and easy access to NYC. This week I met a friend for dinner in Harlem. Many transplants from NYC like myself resettle here when tiring of hardcore urban life. It’s a very vibrant and creative area with a mix of red and blue politics and and ideological diversity. Plus, the winters are not nearly as harsh as farther upstate
In the fall, the Adirondack Northway (I-87) from Saratoga to the Canadian border is considered the most beautiful in the country showing off brilliant leaf colors.
I moved from California to the Syracuse area 3 years ago specifically because of the snowy reputation, 2 of the most mild winters according to the locals followed… just this week we’ve had a pretty hard snowfall though, I’m stoked
TO FAR!! All you needed to do is move to northern California over to Colorado. Utah is also snowy down to Cedar City... I know.. lol.. We lived in Washington st. As well as Va, Nh, Ga, Ok, Nv, with layovers in many places. Btw, if you have kids, Utah has one of the best educational systems in America .. top 5 . I believe it was 2nd. And wat cheaper to live then NY.
@@u235u235u235 i did move away in my 20's and went to nevada for about 8 years had to move back due to my dad coming down with dementia where i live its not as bad as where my dad lives but im close enough to get over there when needed
Born in Utica, NY, population of 120,000 in 1960, about 40,000 today. Though the capital is in Albany, NYC runs the legislature. NYS Rt 5 from Albany to Buffalo was the first continuously paved highway in the country. In most of the cities and towns it passes through it's known as Genesee Street. Utica was the site of land grants given to the Baron Von Steuben, a Prussian trained Pole and Washington's Inspector General who wrote the first manual of arms for the Continental Army. The Oneida Nation was the only member of the Iroquois Confederacy to side with the Revolution, the rest allied with the British. The Oneida Nation was the signatory of the first Indian Nation treaty, with the government of the Articles of Confederation. During this period, NYS cheated the Oneidas out of most of the land granted by the original treaty which included the Mohawk River valley in perpetuity. The lost their bid to restore the land in the USSC in 2009, I think. When Washington was president based in Philadelphia, the chief and his primary wife visited. Martha took the wife shopping hand bought her a shawl, one of the Oneida Nations most treasured possessions. The first spade of dirt for the Erie Canal was turned over in Rome NY, just north of Utica. The canal created so much wealth that three local families, Munson, Williams and Proctor went on an art buying spree all over the US and Europe, including one set of the river in the wilderness allegory of the seasons of life. They planned a museum, the people in NYC found out and the Guggenheim was born. A museum in Utica was finally built, a concrete block suspended from steel girders with the entire first floor having walls of glass and all of the staircases suspended from above. It used to be on a list of 20 buildings in the northeast that architect student were required to visit and sketch. Troy NY is home to the first engineering school in the US, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, founded in 1824. Most of the bridges, canals and railroads in the US were designed and built by their graduates. While Colonel Roebling who started the Brooklyn Bridge went to Berliner Polytechnic, his son, who finished it when his father died, went to RPI. A guy named Ferris went there too, he created this really big wheel. A chemist there invented one of the first successful formulations of baking powder. I met retired professor emeritus there who invented the pulse dialer relay systems for phones. In 1978 the US military began a tri service winter training at Fort Drum NY because it has colder temperatures and more snow than the location of the west coast winter training in southern Alaska. The counties of Madison, Oneida and Herkimer were once in the top 20 dairy producing counties in the US. Herkimer Cheese was the featured extra sharp cheddar in delis across the US. There used to be a coop with state support incorporated as Sealtest that sold milk, butter, cheese, ice cream, and yogurt, in all the grocery stores. They even came out with a high end ice cream to compete with Hagan Daz, they called Frujen Gladje that had a map of Denmark on the label. Subsidies for almost all agriculture ended, the last coop outlet store closed in 2002, and most dairy in the area is bulk shipped to Vermont and processed and sold as Vermont dairy product Before the civil war, Vermont was 70% farms and 30% forest. During the war they met farmers from Ohio that told about plowing for a mile without hitting a stone or a tree root. Today Vermont is 70% forest and 30% farmland. Similarly, before WWII over half of the Fortune 500 companies had headquarters in NYS. After the ware, the low wages and lack of labor unions, in the south, kept that way to as part of their Jim Crow culture and their low taxes led to an exodus of companies from NY, all the fabric mills, then the tooling companies, then the rest. The influence of organized crime in the unions were also a factor. Utica used to have a GE plant, Rome used to have a Revere Copper plant, Corning had locations everywhere, Pettibone Heavy Constructions Equipment, Utica Tool and others all left. Utica hung on by the strange fact that over 20 union pension funds were headquartered there. Now fewer than 50 of the Fortune 500 are based in NYS Utica is also home to the second oldest continuously operated brewing company in the united states. The F. X. Matt Brewing Company, at the West End Brewery make Utica Club beer, the first beer legally sold when prohibition ended. They've reinvented themselves and are one of the largest craft brewers with the craft brand of Saranac. Try their Adirondack Lager (Sam Adams wishes their Boston Lager was as good) Utica is also home to the second oldest continuously operated pizzeria in the US. I don't remember the name. It was also one of the earliest locations of Woolworths. (the company is now known as Foot Locker) Utica also used to have the largest number of live in mental health facilities within a 20 mile radius in the US. A finger of the lake effect snows follows NYS Rt 5 and I 90 to reach Utica. In Upstate NY, poor DPW performance in a big snow storm could lose the next election for mayor. In some cities in upstate NY, with larger homes converted to multifamily dwellings, the parking by the curb in front of your house belongs to you. If you park there, shovel it out and go on errands, come back and someone else not living in your house is parked there, you can call the police, they will issue a ticket and have the vehicle towed. Where this law doesn't exist locally, a lot of people who take spaces others have shoveled out, get their car buried. The same people who do this will also shovel or plow driveways and sidewalks for their elderly or disabled neighbors. The smallest city in NYS is 40 miles west of Utica, Sherrill NY. Population is about 2000. The town was built by Oneida Ltd Silversmiths, once the largest producer of flatware in the world. The company originated as one of the 3 religious movements of 19th century America, the Oneida Community. They had enough influence in the state legislature to get Sherrill incorporated as a city in the 1920s, designed and built as the perfect city for their factory workers, wide streets with storm sewers, curbs, 3 foot right off way with grass and trees, sidewalks front porches, big back yards, Victorian, Queen Anne, Cape Cod, Denver Squares, Colonials, a mix of housing types. An athletic club with basketball, tennis, bowling for all employees and a free youth center for all resident children in the 70s, 75% of families had one member working for the company. Most middle class families in Sherrill had a back yard swimming pool, their Red Cross program is excellent and lifeguard recommendations usually get a job at any of the state parks. And most middle class families have one snowmobile for every member of the family, plus an extra one or two for when one of those breaks down or needs service. Forget the backseat of a car at 16, try a snowmobile shack in the woods at 14. Besides the high taxes, the Niagara Mohawk power company has some of the highest utility rates in the country. In the 1980s my parents in Rome NY, had a February heating bill of over $2000, their budget billing after one year came to over $240/month. I have fond memories of summers and winters in upstate NY. We all ice skated, some played hockey, the oldest continuously operated winter camping training program in the Boy Scouts of America is based out of the Iroquois Council in Rome NY, held on Lake Delta in February. It was started in the 1930s, I attended in 72 became an instructor in 73. It was called Gawasa, a Seneca Nation word for winter games. A snow snake carving and throwing competition was always a part of it; its now a part of the BSA national high adventure program that was developed in the Minnesota boundary waters with the help of the guys who developed the US Army's winter training in the late 80s.Thats called Ookpik, an Innuit word for the arctic snow owl. So winter snow camping, snow shoeing and cross country skiing were added to my list of upstate NY winter activities. I lived in Colorado for 40 years, had no idea there had been any forest fires in upstate NY. In the Adirondack region, if the roads are impassible, fire engines will often follow a plow across a frozen lake to get to a fire. If there's a February thaw, 5 or more snowmobilers die of exposure and/or drowning in upstate NY. The late singer songwriter, Harry Chapin, said he once spent a week in Watertown NY on afternoon. The finger lakes are one of the premier wine growing areas in the world, especially the west shore of Cayuga Lake. One of my classmates' father had the last independent dairy farm in Oneida county, 300+ head, a homogenizer a pasteurizer, 6 delivery trucks, he and his brother became engineers. Another classmate had on of the largest maple syrup operations in the county, he and his brother took orders for premium grade A gallons for &7.50, and sold packets of maple sugar shaped like maple leaves. An the twins' father had a cider mill, selling most of it unpasteurized, making it popular to buy a gallon on Tuesday to take to the game on Saturday.
Thanks for the info, it was interesting to hear but got a bit boring half way through, like Harry Chapin spent lots of weeks in a lot of places. you started strong and kept me interested, but yeah. Thsnks for taking the time to write what youve written.
Downsides of the memories. Upstate voted for George Wallace in 68. Never realized till I left that the Klan had a presence there. During the Watts Riots in LA, there were 4-6 lynchings in a few of the small cities, with resulting riots.q
Fascinating details about upstate that I never knew before, even though I was born and grew up in Buffalo (til age 15). Thanks especially for describing the Sealtest dairy co-op ... I certainly remember their milk, cream,, and ice cream! Not sure you're right that Baron von Steuben was a Prussian-trained Pole -- he was born in Magdeburg, Prussia, per Wikipedia but of course could have Polish ancestry not mentioned there. (I've been interested in his history since childhood, as my dear maternal granny and her large family, all close to me in childhood, were from a small village in NW Steuben County, near Dansville.)
@ well I don't know what my name would have to do with the fact that I'm born and raised here. And the fact that you think a person's name represents what they know PROVES you don't know much 🤦🏾♂️
I'm a native of Upstate NY; born in Binghamton and raised in a rural area just south of Oswego where we received several feet of snowfall each year, sometimes with a few hours due to the squalls and drifting effect. It was great for those who loved to play in it. It was a coin-toss for me due to frostbite and having a negative reaction to the "severe" cold that region received. Despite living out of state in several moderate zone areas, which I enjoyed, I returned; not for the snow and cold but for family and a very special someone whom I married then lost. Lake affect snowfall is normally worst within the range between 5 - 20 miles away from the shores of Ontario and is considered in both a positive and negative perspective simultaneously by the natives who grew up here. Syracuse may get abit of snow, but it's nothing IMO compared to the communities north of it. Overall, what you shared here is true. However poor it may seem in its outlook and residence, Upstate --apart from the large cities-- is still nowhere's near as dangerous as NYC/Long Island with its crime rate. I tend to stay away from anything larger than Oswego if I can. Some vary of course. IMHO NYC/Long Island need to secede from Upstate to become their own state or territory, because they (both residents and the political corruption) are tearing the whole state down. Those who have never been to Upstate, specifically from the metropolis area, think the Upstate area to be a jungle. Overall, it's merely "the country" compared to realm of that city. There are many fine people in both zones just as there are unsavory creatures walking amongst the rest of us.
The crime rate on Long Island is nowhere near that of upstate. Here are the 10 most dangerous cities in NY State ranked; Herkimer Albany Watertown Oneida Binghamton Rochester Schenectady Syracuse Troy Buffalo That's right, NYC is not even top 10 per capita!
What a great video. I live in Upstate NY, and you've pretty much nailed it. I would love to see a split from NYC, there is no love for it up here, not from the locals at least.
You must be a slow hillbilly. Without NYC the state would collapse no economic growth. Look at Albany, Syracuse, Rochester an buffalo 😂 and everything in between decaying like a rust belt city.
I work for Siemens Energy in upstate NY. Get NY wages with only a portion of the NY prices. You can still find starter homes here for under 120k... Theres a bunch of manufacturing around me including Corning Glass. Its beautiful here... and the wine country is nice. This place of the country offers a lot. It's just the type of work isn't popular to the point of bringing in new residents. And the weather doesn't do it any favors.
Because of the population imbalance, Upstate NY has no say in the state government, Upstate is basically forced to comply with any idiotic idea NY City politicians come up with. Think taxation without representation. What does NY City do with it's garbage? Putting 3000 tons of garbage on a train and hauling it 300 miles to the Finger Lakes is the law and "good for the environment". The agricultural land Upstate is being covered with wind turbines & solar panels (i think you covered the bit about gray skies and no sun) ruining the most fertile land in the state cause NYC politicians voted for "cheap clean energy". The "City" boomed when the Erie Canal created a path through Upstate allowing resources and food from every port on the every Great Lake to be shipped to NYC for export and consumption. As for the snow: get your food and vices and partner and stay home til they get the roads plowed which is completed 24 hours after it stops snowing. Vernacular "gonna hunker down". No tornadoes or hurricanes to blow your home over, no forest fires, mud slides or killer natural disasters. The summer weather: low humidity, temperatures in the eighties. If you are the type that wants to live with people literally living on top of you, in a concrete jungle, with the stench and filth and rats and noise and crime, then NYC is for you. Speaking of crime, Laken Riley would still be alive if NYC would have deported Jose Ibarro when they had him in custody. Instead, cause NYC is a "sanctuary city", he was never handed over to ICE, he left the state and.....
As a lifelong Rochesterian, with family who have lived in Buffalo for over 100 years. We are definitely not practically empty. Buffalo metro area has about 1 million and Rochester metro area has about 750,000. North of Syracuse is where it really thins out and that's pretty much due to snow and cold. Its just too dang cold coming off of Lake Ontario, in the Adirondacks, and in the St. Lawerance region.
I live in Schenectady, NY which is obviously located in upstate New York. I enjoyed the video and even learned a couple new things. I was a little disappointed on how there was both a high level of inaccuracies and stereotypes that were presented as fact. But overall nice video. I’ll be showing it tomorrow to my kids in the classroom. All your videos are always age appropriate and professionally done. You might want to keep a closer eye on your fact checker though. Even though you haven’t done a full face reveal I was floored to hear and see your voice belonging that body. I was expecting to see a grandpa!
Schenectady wasn't really covered in the video. He mostly focused on the cities hit by lake effect snow. Schenectady and Albany don't really get much snow anymore like they used to mostly due to global warming and too far away from lake effect snow.
@ No i definitely understand what you are saying but I wasn’t even referring to any of the snow or weather that occurs here. I was a senior in high school in 1993 when we got the snowstorm of the century. What a great time that was and I seriously mean it. I went to junior college in Herkimer which outside of Rome and Utica and we used to get some of the lake effect snow.
You know I really like this video. It helps visualize how I explain to people that New York State outside of the cities is like a southern farming state mixed with mountain folk fighting the barren winter. And people elsewhere often think of only the cities when they hear new york
Upstate does not want to be associated with The City. Thats why we say, "we're from Upstate" ... but in recent times it's an utter embarrassment to even be a New Yorker.
The embarrassment is upstate. A bunch of ghetto cities combined with hillbilly culture. Contributes nothing of value to the state. While downstate is virtually one of the global capitols
It’s never embarrassing to tell people I’m from NYC. I love my city.. don’t let these gaslighting videos fool you. Compared to growing up in the 80s during the crack era , living here has never been safer..
@@daviddawes293agreed. And I have always found people from upstate saying they're from New York, which people automatically assume is NYC. They totally do it on purpose. 😂
FYI: Upstate NY is red, VERY red. So if that bothers you ...... Many lakes in NY-I have launched my boat in Lake George, Lake Champlain, The Finger Lakes, and The St Lawrence River. The neat thing is that I leave my boat keys, electronics, and fishing gear in the boat and no one steals anything. It's the way it is, the people are grand!
Omg... so true. We have our own special breed of redneck. The more rural you get, the more "red" the thinking. Which is a pity, because most folks are friendly... they're just closed minded.
I live in the Catskill Mountains. Upstate New York. I exist. I was homeless and now I own two successful businesses. I would love a couple of good workers who want to eventually take over.
I live "upstate" (Binghamton area). Back in the 90's most of IBM moved down south where taxes were lower. My oldest uncle who graduated high school in the late 70's had a graduation class close to 600 students. I graduated in 2001 with a class just over 300. Gotta move to where the work is.
I feel like if you have a degree... you could probably find a job somewhere other than that cesspool called New York! My degree has allowed me to live in 4 different states and 2 different countries. I move where I want.
It's basically the same reason that 3/4 of Oregon wants to become greater Idaho... The rural people are tired of being held hostage by the shitty policies of the big cities. What works for large cities doesn't necessarily work for the rural areas.
Let's not forget that Native American tribes like the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois Confederacy) and Algonquin-speaking peoples were living in what we now call New York for centuries before the Dutch ever arrived. Tribes like the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, and others had thriving communities, governance, and trade networks long before European contact. Their history and influence in the region go back thousands of years!
Upstate NY is beautiful. Experience all 4 seasons. Away from big city. Lots of nature, winter activities, D1 college football (SU), Lakes and beaches. ect..
People don't realize we're surrounded by water from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic, the St Lawrence to the Hudson River. I'm on the Finger Lakes and there are waterfalls and streams and rivers all over the place, plus the canal system. So, if you are into boating, canoes, fishing, swimming, or water sports Upstate has it. From Musky, pike, Trout, Bass, down state Oysters, Mackerel, clams and Bl. claw crabs...
Live in Niagara falls it's a disaster roads are horribly falling apart they put traffic cones in sinkholes that have been in the middle of some streets for 3 years our city officials are corrupt the manipulate the funding in ways where they get the money or their friends and family businesses that don't even perform the jobs The only thing that possibly could have helped was the revenue from the casino's but all the money goes to New York City which is a rip off for our city that desperately needs proper funding
Building out is not as sustainable as building up. Cities across the US cannot keep up with the bill to sustain the roads and infrastructure that comes from building out.
All that said i still love my city. (Niagara Falls) The traffic is great in and around the city, Lots of great places to eat and a very diverse community. Our weather is great for the most part as the Lake effect just misses our city. I am quite interested in the New Asian style Como restaurant menu as well.
Democrat policy. Not their policies per se, but the way they campaign on problems, like poverty, poor infrastructure, etc, if those problems are actually addressed and fixed, well, why would anyone vote for them again?
Born, raised and educated in post WWII Ca. Didn't learn much about NY upstate OR down. In Ca., they told the history of NY in anecdotes, and the general consensus of our education was that America was settled in 1603. Pretty much had to get to college before ya' learned anything about New Amasterdam. ("that's what they used to call it"). No hard feelings, it's just nice to see this much of the whole story in one place and well told. I hit Like every time. . Thanks.
Hello from Oswego! I live here and I love it, its a nice cozy town that is not too small and not too huge. Our winters here are known worldwide for the intensity of snow we get. Funny we just got our first "bad" lake effect snow event for this year over the last 2 days. We got at least 2 feet of snow yesterday alone, closer to 3 feet I'd say. Some snow drifts behind my house are over 6 feet high right now! It has been very windy so the snow drifts are insane around town right now. I deliver for Canale's Restaurant in town as well, that has been fun lately! (Post Malones favorite Italian restaurant by the way ;)) Great video as well! Upstate New York has over a century of history that is varied and incredible. Some of the biggest companies of the world started in Upstate. It is starting to grow and improve a lot over the last decade however, especially in Oswego where I live. I highly recommend a visit for anyone interested! Lake Ontario is beautiful and Oswego is right on the southern beaches of it. In the summer and spring months its beautiful here, and Lake Ontario is so large that you cant see land looking out over it, so it basically feels like an ocean from our towns perspective.
@@johnroberts9922yes it did. I witnessed it first hand when Iived in several areas of NYS. All that’s left in many areas are Universities and health care as industry. Upstate used to have lots of major industrial companies, but has very little big industry left, with more and more companies leaving even now. You can’t do business in NY.
@ like the video states, a great deal of product in upstate is agricultural, which does not need vast sums so employees like manufacturing does, neither does the mining operations. Some corporate headquarters are also in NYS, far enough from NYC to count as upstate. They don’t make anything there so they don’t employ many, but the corporate $$ passes through that office, so it counts. A lot of the GDP number is also nonsense. The point of the video is to explain what happened to Upstate when it used to have jobs and make stuff. Remington Arms and Perrelli Tire just left.
@@porcelainthunder2213 The video is completely wrong. You do not get to $650 billion of GDP with agriculture. GDP is not calculated by where the corporate headquarters are located. Christ, my daughter is earning $145k as a chemical engineer in Buffalo.
Without downstate NY, population density of upstate NY is still larger than most southern states, especially if you ignore the absolutely massive state park. Also a ton of agriculture and forestry. Calling upstate NY empty is completely ridiculous.
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
My daughter lives in St Regis Falls. I was living on Wisconsin for 70 yrs moved to Arizona . Been here for 6. Yrs . My daughter wants me to move with her Back to Snow Cold Mosquitoes Wood ticks. And cloudy skies. Not sure what to do. But this video helped me to think more about the pros and cons. Another awesome video . Thank you . I can almost smell the coffee.😊
Upstate New York is beautiful. I like the Finger Lakes area. Of course I am one for the more remote areas. There are only 20 counties east of the Mississippi river that are remote with low populations less than 10 people per square mile. Lake effect snow is no joke.
@@maxwelljacobfreedom To a degree, but upstate schools are just as bad as the City's. IMO, the NYC dwellers live in a very compact space where anything you need is 15 minutes or less away by foot or by public transit. This makes it hard for them to understand Their concerns are urban, they can't understand the concerns and needs of suburban and rural communities. They tend to believe what policies work for them are the best policies for the state as a whole. Since they live in a cess-pit of confirmation bias and mob mentality, and they conclude that we are a bunch of rubes. Those of us in Upstate resent the city because they pretty much dictate everything in terms of legislation. It's a textbook example of why the Electoral college is needed.
Exactly. I’m from Brooklyn but live near Syracuse and years ago in Rochester and the diversity of the counties and villages within the counties and cities are amazing and vast.
I grew up in Corinth NY. spent first 25 years of my life there. Your research is spot on. The International Paper Company left Corinth in the 90’s it was a ghost town shorty afterwards but surprisingly as of lately their population has grown. Thanks for doing a video about upstate it’s where my heart is. You should do a story about Allen Town NY it’s also called the town of Day. I knew the people who lived there.
Sigh…. “Practically empty”. Granted the Syracuse metro is only ~ 650k, but Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany metro are all over a million people. I think each of those beat the entire states of the Dakotas, Wyoming, Alaska, Vermont, or Delaware.
Rochester and Binghamton are not the prosperous cities they were in the 80s. When Kodak, Delco, RPD, Xerox, and IBM left these cities, they aged. The same thing happened to Michigan when the automotive lost sales and pulled out manufacturing while living there.
14 million can have that cesspool, upstate NY has a ton more room to breathe and being in a medium sized city has quite a few advantages over a huge metropolis where everyone is on top of each other with an insane cost of living.
Love your videos :) I live in rochester-ny.... and been to every city you spoke of and well ny struggles due to taxes and most all decisions and funding go to nyc and ignore the rest of the state. We also have a ton of crime here sadly. Also yes one of the cloudiest places in the country. But still not a bad place to live :)
I live in Niagara Falls and i love my states weather and the diversity of things to enjoy here. We have 4 distinct seasons and the traffic is great. Local alcohol production is some of the best in the country and Rochester is home to my favorite cidery (Blue Toad). The difficulties faced due to increment weather build strong communities and good neighbors. I've seen people help one another out countless times here. Plus homes are more affordable and prices on food are lower than most places. Some of the minor price controls New York State has are great such as the retail price limit put on milk products.
A native of Syracuse, NY, our official snowfall average is 115". The Tug Hill on the eastern shores of Lake Ontario, receives an average snowfall of over 300". Three major corporations in Syracuse was Carrier Corp. Once employed 12,500 hourly and salary workers, now less than 100 are still on a 42 acre site. The other was GE. General Electric Corp. Employed 31,000, now barely hitting 1,000 employees. The third was General Motors Corp. Employing 10,500 employees, today ZERO. Rochester had Kodak Corp. that made the famous Kodachrome film, paper and various camera models.
Think I saw him in a NYC Starbucks buying candy and water. Then later coming out of a taxi near the George Washington Bridge heading to a nearby Greyhound Bus station. That was in early December 2024. Lots of people look like him.
I was born in Staten Island and I am SO glad my mom moved the family to Saratoga Springs, NY in 1997 when I turned 10 and I have lived here ever since. I love it up here! The city is smelly, run-down, overcrowded, overly expensive, and down right scary. I will stay up here in my quiet little town and enjoy my Adirondack State Park and all the lovely lakes and camp sites I go to. I will take nature and rural land over an urban city any day.
New York born and raised.I've lived in every part of the state .At one point I left New York State and ventured to Florida where all I thought about was "why did I ever leave NY".The changing seasons,the mountains,the rivers , all of it makes New York what it is.Currently in Northern NY where the lake effect has quite an effect and as any true New Yorker will tell you if we could saw off NYC we would be so much better off.Nice video.
Not sure what you meant "pay for". 14 millions pay a lot more tax than 6 millions. Property tax, school tax, trash collection tax, income tax, import and export tax, sale tax, gas tax, business licensing fee...
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
@@calvintrainer1212 Taxes paid vs benefits received. NY spends most of the state budget on NYC and spreads the leftovers very thin. Upstate pays more taxes than the state spends on them while NYC receives more than they pay even though NYC makes more money.
@@janet6421 100% false. NY is one of the few states where the Lower districts ( towns, cities, villages) have more power than the actual counties they live in. If less money is being spent update, that's the local jurisdictions that are doing so not the counties or the state as a whole. I've been doing property tax work for the last 15 years.
@@sheesh16 Cranberry Lake, look for NYS Forest Ranger school, Wanakeena. Start walking the maintenance road. If you want amore interesting walk through virgin forest, about a quarter mile in, on the left is a wilderness trail. Most of the markers knocked down in a wind storm in 47. First thing inside the forest is the largest known American Beech tree. About nine miles in, there's a creek where 100 fly fisherman could fish for days without knowing anyone else is there. DO NOT go in June, black fly season. Bring lots of DEET, the towns spray for mosquitos, you're on your own. And bear protection.
Western New Yorker here, we love our bonfires. Also as kids we would play dodgeball with apples towards the end of the season when they were starting to fall off the trees as they would splatter on impact haha
Grew up in upstate NY and escaped to live in NYC and finally California. Upstate NY is an excellent motivator to move elsewhere and still many people elsewhere don't realize NY state is not NYC.
Look there are jobs here and what is on paper doesn't always reflect what is on the ground. I've lived upstate NY my whole life and you keep who you have and we keep who we have ! 🤝 Deal
I live in Oswego county 8-10 miles east of lake Ontario. Between yesterday and today I plowed 4 feet of snow. In 2000 give or take we had 91" of snow over 72 hours. Syracuse (25 miles south of us) doesn't get shit compared to us. There has never been a wildfire within 100 miles of us that I ever heard of. Also, we do not have alligators, venomous snakes (not that anyone I ever met has actually seen), no hurricanes, no floods, no earthquakes and an occasional minor tornado that always seems to find a barn with 2 cows in it.
He said snowiest PLACE but what he should have said was snowiest CITY (1st in the US & 6th in the world). There are MANY places that get WAY more snow but as for cities its only beat by 3 in japan and 2 in canada.
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Upstate would dearly love it if NYC fell off the state. The scenery of upstate is some of the choicest in the country. I grew up in Oswego County in the snow belt. I only left because in the legislature in anti gun !!!!! And the legislature is super democratic. I am an independent !!!!
Let us secede from NYC, Long Island and Albany and upstate will thrive. Our state-wide higher tax rates come from disproportionally supporting those regions. Similar dynamics are in CA.
I can't believe you missed the blizzard of '77 that hit Buffalo... first time in history that a national emergency was dictated by the president. it was a serious storm. shut down the city for about a week after, several feet of snow a day over several days, 12 foot drifts...
I recently moved to the Catskills area. I went off grid, it's cold but peaceful. I went away for month got back to my Amazon package intact. As well all the other stuff left unattended. Left NYC, l feel safer and at peace.
I can tell you right now as someone who lives and works in the Captial district. We hate the city. The city is a leech on upstate we suffer so much cause of the city.
I am 68 years old and was born & raised in the Bronx. I enlisted in the USAF at 18. I have lived in Texas, New Mexico, 65 days in Germany, a year S Korea, TDY of 19 days to the PI, 6 years in Louisiana, 42 years in the Hudson Valley of NY. I am now retired there. The four seasons are great in NY. To me I have the best weather out of all of the areas that I have experienced in my lifetime due to the four seasons. The changes of season are at times difficult no doubt but I still love living here.
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I live in upstate NY in the Finger Lakes area. We up here like fresh air, real trees and clean water. We hate high crime, big government, large crowds, and traffic jams. People in upstate say hello to each other. We talk to our neighbors and look after each other.
Sounds wonderfull.
Its incredible. 585
move to a college town, local government is as corrupt as NYC, you said everything true but the part about the government.
I like that my Brother's Keeper concept.
Eh, kind of.
coming from upstate ny those 14 million can stay down there. we like our small towns.
I'm in the Mohawk Valley. I think the reason a lot of new York state is sparsely populated is because there is a ton of agricultural land here. You don't think of new York as a farming state but it is! Our highest exports are agricultural!
Orchards are a type of farm too.
My profile pic was taken at the NY State Fair, where I heard "I can't do that." more every hour than I have heard at any other fair in all the times I played them put together. Not an embellishment.
I call NY The I Can't Do That State.
@angryhairpeice that's pretty accurate.
NY apples, especially macintosh, are the best!
Go to the local orchards and buy fresh...
I heard a long time ago the reason why the the agricultural/farming system is almost vanished is because the soil is no longer fertile
I remember going to an apple orchard upstate (don’t remember which one) probably 40 something years ago, a few times
Just moved up to the Glenns Falls area from Long Island. It was the best decision I ever made. The houses are cheaper and the cost-of-living is better up here. The only thing is you need to have a job lined up but the quality of life is definitely better up here
Glenns Falls is a lovely area. And there's so much history to Upstate as well.
Yea it’s cheaper cause it’s a shit hole. Meanwhile Nassau county is one of the wealthiest counties in the USA. Top 10 actually
the trick to keeping it that way is to leave your city mentality behind. think "southern hospitality" just without the accent.
Glenn's Falls is beautiful.
Just please tell your buddies downstate to stop voting for idiots.
Property taxes are ridiculous.
You should try Texas, or California, maybe Colorado?
You are implying New Yorkers are simple minded, whiny people.
Or is that just you?
Its a joke. All the money goes to NYC to pay for migrants
@@sean7134 Do you know what the average house costs in places like the San Francisco Bay Area, or the Los Angeles Area?
Californian's in general may much more in Taxes.
I'm guessing, like my relatives in New York, you could not afford a house in California.
I own property in Texas and the taxes and other infrastructure fees are no picnic.
@@sean7134 The average cost of a house in the state of New York appears to be about half a million, while the average cost of a house in the stat of California is about eight hundred thousand.
If a person does the math ten percent of eight hundred thousand is greater than twelve percent of half a million.
Californians also pay a significant tax on fuel, utilities and other infrastructure. The sales tax may vary from county to county in each state, overall, it seems, California is a bit higher than New York state.
That seems to be the basic subject of this video, many people live and relocate to the upstate New York Area due to the lower cost of living, not so much for the weather or an overabundance of high paying jobs.
Based on your available financial information, I guess I understand why you do not want what you can or can’t afford to be widely known.
@@sean7134 I moved from Texas to NY last year. I prefer it up in Central NY because Texas companies pay far less than NY companies. It doesn't matter if I get taxed a few percentage points more if I end up with a 20-30% pay increase with a lower cost of living. What I pay in Rent and utilities in CNY is less than just the rent cost in Texas. Plus I don't have to spend 200-300 a month during the summer for electricity because of ERCOT's incompetence.
Being from Buffalo, my biggest annoyance is the lack of infrastructure and the public transport. All these taxes and we don’t see any of them being used for the city we live in.
Another thing worth mentioning is NYC gets the energy generated from Niagara Falls, and in return we get their garbage in our land fills gracefully placed right next to the falls.
Property tax rates may be high, but it doesn't matter much if houses are cheap. When I bought a house in Binghamton in 2009, a really nice house in a nice location was $100-$130K. We paid ours off in 10 years, and even if you throw in 30 years of "high" property taxes the total would still be less than what people are paying in other parts of the country.
I live in Amherst, NY(suburb of Buffalo.) There are people paying more for a condo the size of one of my bathrooms than my whole house costs. The property taxes suck but there are a lot more amenities here and you don't have someone else living right on top of you.
@@albert-gf6qf I agree, but I wouldn't even say the property taxes suck. I guess they must suck in theory, because they are high in percentage terms, but the actual amount of money I hand over is less than my family members pay in other states, since houses here are far less expensive.
@@stabbysmurf I agree. My 6 older siblings live in much more expensive parts of the country.
Lived in Huntsville, AL. Ft. Lauderdale/Jacksonville Fl. (about 10yrs)
Upstate NY. between Utica and Rochester in small/medium towns the other 40.
Love the snow, the hills, the lakes, and autumn is absolutely gorgeous. I am here to stay.
If you lived in "upstate", you would know that isn't upstate. Upstate is the St. Lawerance region. You lived in western-central NY.
@@JamesThomas-dn6hz I spent decades as a journalist in upstate New York. People in CNY would claim they were upstate and no one else was. People in the North Country claimed they were upstate and no one else was. The argument is so parochial. I do love upstate New York.
Once you leave the flatlands of N.Y. metro area, N.Y. it is quite beautiful.
@@JamesThomas-dn6hz Understood, I'd argue that 'upstate' has become a catch-all term meaning not NYC. When I mention New Hartford, I add 'not Connecticut' and when I refer to Newark, I say 'Not New Jersey'.
@@ntucson669 Yes! In.high school the further north you lived the more status you had. There were tons of businesses that used north or northern in their names.
I was born in Rochester NY in 1959 when Rochester was alive and humming with Xerox, Kodak, Bausch and Lomb, Champion sportswear and Nalge Plastics running at full steam. My Dad worked for Xerox and I worked at Kodak. Stayed at Kodak for several years before going off to university. I even graduated from Syracuse University in 1982. It was a wonderful time to be a western New Yorker. My grand parents lived in the Bronx, so I got plenty of time in NYC as well. Unfortunately, times have changes and western NY has changed with it, but I still have many friends from Brighton High School that NEVER left Rochester to explore the world. Rochester was a great place to grow up and I do miss western new york at times.
Nice I currently live in Rochester. East Irondequoit to be specific 🙂
@ my parents first house was on Cooper Rd in Irondequoit. Small world.
"NEVER left Rochester to explore the world", this is the way. In my 30s been here since a baby. Rent is dirt cheap (homes are prices are currently going down), essential stores are at a maximum 30 minutes away. Good home base, easy to save. My lady and I like to travel. I do think this guy overexaggerated a lot of this information.
@7866Tapes "rent is dirt cheap" that's not even close to true. The rent is what everyone is so annoyed about.
@ $800 two bedrooms, living room full basement in the wedge. I was paying $1500+ studio outside LA. I stand by what I said.
Keep them down there. Upstate's fine "empty".
I would rather live Upstate NY than really here in the city! Right now, I am good, however I want to move!
Without NYC, upstate would’ve been as poor as the entire state of Kentucky, which is dirt poor. We taxed the living hell out of NYC, to keep upstate afloat
@@nate_reatcz Your county, city and Governor have most to do with that.
2101 has it right.We're fine up here empty.
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I loved the joke about upstate NY:
what’s great about upstate are the FOUR seasons - almost winter, winter, still winter & CONSTRUCTION!
The joke in western NY is that there’s only two seasons: Winter & the Fourth of July …
🤣🤣🤣🤣 100%!
Yup. Construction everywhere in upstate.
Better than floods and hurricanes and fires
@@roydrink Obviously you don’t live in Western new York…You can keep your fires hurricanes and floods
Shh it's peaceful here.
And, BEAUTIFUL!!
Not in Rochester....it's pretty much baby Chicago.
and we aren't exactly friendly to people who come visit from the city.
friend lives upstate....and i gotta say its a pain to go anywhere....nearest costco is 40 miles away. EVERYTHING is minimum, 40 miles away....very harsh on the car, and forces you to become dependent on town's resources....
@JamesThomas-dn6hz i used to live in Fairport, beautiful area, but the dam government has been Democrat tyrannical control.
90% of what you are calling "Upstate" NY, is the Adirondack Mountains, and over half of that is designated as National & State parkland.
Thank you, as a resident of that area I was gonna clarify. But you saved me the trouble
he's out of stater....it's the city or upstate.
I stopped the video at the point when I realized 6 million people isn’t no one lol.
Compare to the rest of the world it is@@mattwimad
Adirondack Park is bigger than some states.
Moved to Orchard Park 2 years ago from Cape Coral Florida, it honestly feels like I've found a hidden paradise. It's so quiet and peaceful, and cheap. My pay also doubled for literally doing the exact same job I used to do in Florida, and my rent halved, even though I went from a duplex to a house with a 1 acre backyard. The state parks up here are so beautiful and I never have to deal with crowds of people. The snow comes down, then it melts, then it comes down again. Getting dark at 4:30 is a difference too, but overall much better lifestyle up here. Now everybody stay the fuck away so it stays that way. Go to Florida.
LOL, I live about 15 minutes away from Orchard Park. And our last 3 winters have been unusually mild. You have not experienced a true western NY winter yet. And whatever you are smoking I want some. NY is many things but a paradise is not one of them. A large percentage of us are looking to get out.
2 years, eh? Your car likely has about another 2 or 3 years left before it rots out from under you due to the road salt. That's one big drawback that was overlooked in the video.
😂 i know and agree totally. They already ruined the Poconos.
@kjjosker well, paradise is subjective. You're from here and therefor have had all of your negative experiences here. As someone who's from Uticas and currently living in Rochester I can confidently say that there are many way worse places to live. Florida was awful, as was Louisiana, Texas was cool, Virginia is an open air prison and their cops are essentially gestapo, most of the western U.S. is desert and uninhabitable, the Midwest is more abandoned than upstate, where would you like to go that's so much better?
@@suzannelatorre3199who is “they”?
I live in Syracuse. The NYC and Upstate divide has always been an issue. NYC gets better funding for schools and transportation while Upstate pays for Buffalo Bills Stadium. We ALWAYS get dumped with snow and average well over 100” a season but we have top notch snow removal. Our winters are like Arizona summers where you spend more time indoors. Unless you like winter sports. We don’t have snow all winter but in bursts so it does give relief. My big issue is the lack if sunlight.
We have the best apples and love Beak n Skiff alone with our wineries. There are so many parks and things to do outside all year round. We don’t want to be like Florida or Texas and don’t want the heavy population and industry to destroy our water and land. You can do that in any Red State. Yes we pay more but we also get the benefits that people don’t get in other states.
Yet the state itself would be so poor if not for all the money NYC brings in. So it makes sense.
Texas is no where near being paved over. It’s still massively and has an insanely large rural area. You can play google street view tourist to get an idea. Florida also has a large rural area, tons of land is state/national/county parks and forest, but not as much is the kind of rural where I’m going crazy because my job is to arrange for home health care for patients and no one has any availability within a 50 mile radius like in Texas.
I'm also in Syracuse. I've lived in Syracuse for almost 30 yrs. If we split from downstate, we'd lose most of our state tax revenue. NYC has more economic activity than most nations. It's 8% of the entire NATION. There is something like $100 trillion in capitalization just on Wall Street
One thing they do downstate that is horribly irresponsible is they pay a drastically lower property tax rate bc the real estate is so much more valuable.
@@mar.c1one party rule because of urbanites. The governor doesn't tend to represent NY state. Even Hochul said if you don't vote a certain way you should leave.
And you have Dinosaur BBQ
It would be nice if we were our own state……we don’t need a divorce, we need a total separation. Besides it’s prettier here. ❤❤❤❤
My Uncle and Aunt moved from upstate NY because their taxes were horrible. They got tired of subsidizing NYC.
And now NYC subsidizes them.
@@rumble2468 right? people dont understand taxes at the federal level. most of the country is subsidized by a hand full of economic power houses in the country
The north never subsidized NYC- just watch his video! But NYC subsidizes all those Red states!
Suffolk & Nassau are too.
80% of all N.Y.S. tax revenue comes from downstate. We pay high taxes downstate in addition, NYC pays a city tax. Upstate N.Y. is chronically depressed and is largely subsidized by downstate.
Here in the lower Hudson Valley we get the best of both worlds. Easy access to nature, particularly the Catskills and easy access to NYC. This week I met a friend for dinner in Harlem. Many transplants from NYC like myself resettle here when tiring of hardcore urban life. It’s a very vibrant and creative area with a mix of red and blue politics and and ideological diversity. Plus, the winters are not nearly as harsh as farther upstate
In the fall, the Adirondack Northway (I-87) from Saratoga to the Canadian border is considered the most beautiful in the country showing off brilliant leaf colors.
WE LIKE TO GO TO Montreal CANADA.
I moved from California to the Syracuse area 3 years ago specifically because of the snowy reputation, 2 of the most mild winters according to the locals followed… just this week we’ve had a pretty hard snowfall though, I’m stoked
TO FAR!! All you needed to do is move to northern California over to Colorado. Utah is also snowy down to Cedar City... I know.. lol.. We lived in Washington st. As well as Va, Nh, Ga, Ok, Nv, with layovers in many places. Btw, if you have kids, Utah has one of the best educational systems in America .. top 5 . I believe it was 2nd.
And wat cheaper to live then NY.
lived in nys most my life except a short period in cali, I cant believe anyone moved to ny from cali for the snow. mind boggling
Upstate NY is beautiful and awesome skiing!!! I’d move there except for their taxes !! Love UP NY 💕💕
i live in dutchess county my yearly taxes is about 7500
my dad pays a bit over 20k in westchester county which is right above nyc
There's a local ski resort a mile from me. Right now we have 4ft of snow on the ground!
Yes, upper N.Y. State is beautiful.
@@mrkouki180sx if you have school aged kids it's worth it.
i'm guessing you have a job in ny or you'd move if it's so bad.
@@u235u235u235 i did move away in my 20's and went to nevada for about 8 years
had to move back due to my dad coming down with dementia
where i live its not as bad as where my dad lives but im close enough to get over there when needed
Born in Utica, NY, population of 120,000 in 1960, about 40,000 today. Though the capital is in Albany, NYC runs the legislature. NYS Rt 5 from Albany to Buffalo was the first continuously paved highway in the country. In most of the cities and towns it passes through it's known as Genesee Street.
Utica was the site of land grants given to the Baron Von Steuben, a Prussian trained Pole and Washington's Inspector General who wrote the first manual of arms for the Continental Army.
The Oneida Nation was the only member of the Iroquois Confederacy to side with the Revolution, the rest allied with the British. The Oneida Nation was the signatory of the first Indian Nation treaty, with the government of the Articles of Confederation. During this period, NYS cheated the Oneidas out of most of the land granted by the original treaty which included the Mohawk River valley in perpetuity. The lost their bid to restore the land in the USSC in 2009, I think. When Washington was president based in Philadelphia, the chief and his primary wife visited. Martha took the wife shopping hand bought her a shawl, one of the Oneida Nations most treasured possessions.
The first spade of dirt for the Erie Canal was turned over in Rome NY, just north of Utica.
The canal created so much wealth that three local families, Munson, Williams and Proctor went on an art buying spree all over the US and Europe, including one set of the river in the wilderness allegory of the seasons of life. They planned a museum, the people in NYC found out and the Guggenheim was born. A museum in Utica was finally built, a concrete block suspended from steel girders with the entire first floor having walls of glass and all of the staircases suspended from above. It used to be on a list of 20 buildings in the northeast that architect student were required to visit and sketch.
Troy NY is home to the first engineering school in the US, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, founded in 1824. Most of the bridges, canals and railroads in the US were designed and built by their graduates. While Colonel Roebling who started the Brooklyn Bridge went to Berliner Polytechnic, his son, who finished it when his father died, went to RPI. A guy named Ferris went there too, he created this really big wheel. A chemist there invented one of the first successful formulations of baking powder. I met retired professor emeritus there who invented the pulse dialer relay systems for phones.
In 1978 the US military began a tri service winter training at Fort Drum NY because it has colder temperatures and more snow than the location of the west coast winter training in southern Alaska.
The counties of Madison, Oneida and Herkimer were once in the top 20 dairy producing counties in the US. Herkimer Cheese was the featured extra sharp cheddar in delis across the US. There used to be a coop with state support incorporated as Sealtest that sold milk, butter, cheese, ice cream, and yogurt, in all the grocery stores. They even came out with a high end ice cream to compete with Hagan Daz, they called Frujen Gladje that had a map of Denmark on the label. Subsidies for almost all agriculture ended, the last coop outlet store closed in 2002, and most dairy in the area is bulk shipped to Vermont and processed and sold as Vermont dairy product
Before the civil war, Vermont was 70% farms and 30% forest. During the war they met farmers from Ohio that told about plowing for a mile without hitting a stone or a tree root. Today Vermont is 70% forest and 30% farmland.
Similarly, before WWII over half of the Fortune 500 companies had headquarters in NYS. After the ware, the low wages and lack of labor unions, in the south, kept that way to as part of their Jim Crow culture and their low taxes led to an exodus of companies from NY, all the fabric mills, then the tooling companies, then the rest. The influence of organized crime in the unions were also a factor.
Utica used to have a GE plant, Rome used to have a Revere Copper plant, Corning had locations everywhere, Pettibone Heavy Constructions Equipment, Utica Tool and others all left.
Utica hung on by the strange fact that over 20 union pension funds were headquartered there.
Now fewer than 50 of the Fortune 500 are based in NYS
Utica is also home to the second oldest continuously operated brewing company in the united states. The F. X. Matt Brewing Company, at the West End Brewery make Utica Club beer, the first beer legally sold when prohibition ended. They've reinvented themselves and are one of the largest craft brewers with the craft brand of Saranac. Try their Adirondack Lager (Sam Adams wishes their Boston Lager was as good)
Utica is also home to the second oldest continuously operated pizzeria in the US. I don't remember the name. It was also one of the earliest locations of Woolworths. (the company is now known as Foot Locker)
Utica also used to have the largest number of live in mental health facilities within a 20 mile radius in the US.
A finger of the lake effect snows follows NYS Rt 5 and I 90 to reach Utica.
In Upstate NY, poor DPW performance in a big snow storm could lose the next election for mayor.
In some cities in upstate NY, with larger homes converted to multifamily dwellings, the parking by the curb in front of your house belongs to you. If you park there, shovel it out and go on errands, come back and someone else not living in your house is parked there, you can call the police, they will issue a ticket and have the vehicle towed. Where this law doesn't exist locally, a lot of people who take spaces others have shoveled out, get their car buried. The same people who do this will also shovel or plow driveways and sidewalks for their elderly or disabled neighbors.
The smallest city in NYS is 40 miles west of Utica, Sherrill NY. Population is about 2000. The town was built by Oneida Ltd Silversmiths, once the largest producer of flatware in the world. The company originated as one of the 3 religious movements of 19th century America, the Oneida Community. They had enough influence in the state legislature to get Sherrill incorporated as a city in the 1920s, designed and built as the perfect city for their factory workers, wide streets with storm sewers, curbs, 3 foot right off way with grass and trees, sidewalks front porches, big back yards, Victorian, Queen Anne, Cape Cod, Denver Squares, Colonials, a mix of housing types.
An athletic club with basketball, tennis, bowling for all employees and a free youth center for all resident children in the 70s, 75% of families had one member working for the company.
Most middle class families in Sherrill had a back yard swimming pool, their Red Cross program is excellent and lifeguard recommendations usually get a job at any of the state parks. And most middle class families have one snowmobile for every member of the family, plus an extra one or two for when one of those breaks down or needs service. Forget the backseat of a car at 16, try a snowmobile shack in the woods at 14.
Besides the high taxes, the Niagara Mohawk power company has some of the highest utility rates in the country. In the 1980s my parents in Rome NY, had a February heating bill of over $2000, their budget billing after one year came to over $240/month.
I have fond memories of summers and winters in upstate NY. We all ice skated, some played hockey, the oldest continuously operated winter camping training program in the Boy Scouts of America is based out of the Iroquois Council in Rome NY, held on Lake Delta in February. It was started in the 1930s, I attended in 72 became an instructor in 73. It was called Gawasa, a Seneca Nation word for winter games. A snow snake carving and throwing competition was always a part of it; its now a part of the BSA national high adventure program that was developed in the Minnesota boundary waters with the help of the guys who developed the US Army's winter training in the late 80s.Thats called Ookpik, an Innuit word for the arctic snow owl.
So winter snow camping, snow shoeing and cross country skiing were added to my list of upstate NY winter activities.
I lived in Colorado for 40 years, had no idea there had been any forest fires in upstate NY.
In the Adirondack region, if the roads are impassible, fire engines will often follow a plow across a frozen lake to get to a fire. If there's a February thaw, 5 or more snowmobilers die of exposure and/or drowning in upstate NY.
The late singer songwriter, Harry Chapin, said he once spent a week in Watertown NY on afternoon.
The finger lakes are one of the premier wine growing areas in the world, especially the west shore of Cayuga Lake.
One of my classmates' father had the last independent dairy farm in Oneida county, 300+ head, a homogenizer a pasteurizer, 6 delivery trucks, he and his brother became engineers.
Another classmate had on of the largest maple syrup operations in the county, he and his brother took orders for premium grade A gallons for &7.50, and sold packets of maple sugar shaped like maple leaves.
An the twins' father had a cider mill, selling most of it unpasteurized, making it popular to buy a gallon on Tuesday to take to the game on Saturday.
Thanks for the info, it was interesting to hear but got a bit boring half way through, like Harry Chapin spent lots of weeks in a lot of places. you started strong and kept me interested, but yeah. Thsnks for taking the time to write what youve written.
I think this is the longest comment of youtube ever...
Greetings from Italy
Downsides of the memories. Upstate voted for George Wallace in 68. Never realized till I left that the Klan had a presence there. During the Watts Riots in LA, there were 4-6 lynchings in a few of the small cities, with resulting riots.q
I've got Onieda tools, flatware, etc., all have been used for decades and are of the highest quality. Shame, not much American steel to be found.
Fascinating details about upstate that I never knew before, even though I was born and grew up in Buffalo (til age 15). Thanks especially for describing the Sealtest dairy co-op ... I certainly remember their milk, cream,, and ice cream! Not sure you're right that Baron von Steuben was a Prussian-trained Pole -- he was born in Magdeburg, Prussia, per Wikipedia but of course could have Polish ancestry not mentioned there. (I've been interested in his history since childhood, as my dear maternal granny and her large family, all close to me in childhood, were from a small village in NW Steuben County, near Dansville.)
As a resident of Buffalo, NY, this is one of the most misinformed videos I've ever seen 🤦🏾♂️
Your name implies you don't know much
@ well I don't know what my name would have to do with the fact that I'm born and raised here. And the fact that you think a person's name represents what they know PROVES you don't know much 🤦🏾♂️
I'm a native of Upstate NY; born in Binghamton and raised in a rural area just south of Oswego where we received several feet of snowfall each year, sometimes with a few hours due to the squalls and drifting effect. It was great for those who loved to play in it. It was a coin-toss for me due to frostbite and having a negative reaction to the "severe" cold that region received. Despite living out of state in several moderate zone areas, which I enjoyed, I returned; not for the snow and cold but for family and a very special someone whom I married then lost.
Lake affect snowfall is normally worst within the range between 5 - 20 miles away from the shores of Ontario and is considered in both a positive and negative perspective simultaneously by the natives who grew up here. Syracuse may get abit of snow, but it's nothing IMO compared to the communities north of it.
Overall, what you shared here is true. However poor it may seem in its outlook and residence, Upstate --apart from the large cities-- is still nowhere's near as dangerous as NYC/Long Island with its crime rate. I tend to stay away from anything larger than Oswego if I can. Some vary of course. IMHO NYC/Long Island need to secede from Upstate to become their own state or territory, because they (both residents and the political corruption) are tearing the whole state down. Those who have never been to Upstate, specifically from the metropolis area, think the Upstate area to be a jungle. Overall, it's merely "the country" compared to realm of that city. There are many fine people in both zones just as there are unsavory creatures walking amongst the rest of us.
The crime rate on Long Island is nowhere near that of upstate. Here are the 10 most dangerous cities in NY State ranked;
Herkimer
Albany
Watertown
Oneida
Binghamton
Rochester
Schenectady
Syracuse
Troy
Buffalo
That's right, NYC is not even top 10 per capita!
Thank you very much. Well said!
What a great video. I live in Upstate NY, and you've pretty much nailed it. I would love to see a split from NYC, there is no love for it up here, not from the locals at least.
You must be a slow hillbilly. Without NYC the state would collapse no economic growth. Look at Albany, Syracuse, Rochester an buffalo 😂 and everything in between decaying like a rust belt city.
NYC needs upstate NY to bare all the responsibility for their immaturity
I work for Siemens Energy in upstate NY. Get NY wages with only a portion of the NY prices. You can still find starter homes here for under 120k... Theres a bunch of manufacturing around me including Corning Glass. Its beautiful here... and the wine country is nice. This place of the country offers a lot. It's just the type of work isn't popular to the point of bringing in new residents. And the weather doesn't do it any favors.
Syracuse, Ithaca, Albany, Buffalo are all upstate new york cities. Theres plenty of populated areas separated by tons of farm and forest towns
ROCHESTER
We are western NY! If you look at the map we are the west half!
@@Entertainmentsmackdown We call ourselves western NY but that more of a locals thing i think
@@EntertainmentsmackdownNo one in the rest of the world cares about these ridiculous specifics. Theres 3 NYs. Upstate NYC and Long Island.
@@jdmaine51084 everyone forgets Rochester, we aint got shit here.
Because of the population imbalance, Upstate NY has no say in the state government, Upstate is basically forced to comply with any idiotic idea NY City politicians come up with. Think taxation without representation. What does NY City do with it's garbage? Putting 3000 tons of garbage on a train and hauling it 300 miles to the Finger Lakes is the law and "good for the environment". The agricultural land Upstate is being covered with wind turbines & solar panels (i think you covered the bit about gray skies and no sun) ruining the most fertile land in the state cause NYC politicians voted for "cheap clean energy". The "City" boomed when the Erie Canal created a path through Upstate allowing resources and food from every port on the every Great Lake to be shipped to NYC for export and consumption. As for the snow: get your food and vices and partner and stay home til they get the roads plowed which is completed 24 hours after it stops snowing. Vernacular "gonna hunker down". No tornadoes or hurricanes to blow your home over, no forest fires, mud slides or killer natural disasters. The summer weather: low humidity, temperatures in the eighties. If you are the type that wants to live with people literally living on top of you, in a concrete jungle, with the stench and filth and rats and noise and crime, then NYC is for you. Speaking of crime, Laken Riley would still be alive if NYC would have deported Jose Ibarro when they had him in custody. Instead, cause NYC is a "sanctuary city", he was never handed over to ICE, he left the state and.....
Exactly
NYC needs to keep their garbage down there. They are ruining some of the most beautiful land in this country.
Liberals ruin everything and blame Trump
As a lifelong Rochesterian, with family who have lived in Buffalo for over 100 years. We are definitely not practically empty. Buffalo metro area has about 1 million and Rochester metro area has about 750,000. North of Syracuse is where it really thins out and that's pretty much due to snow and cold. Its just too dang cold coming off of Lake Ontario, in the Adirondacks, and in the St. Lawerance region.
I live in Schenectady, NY which is obviously located in upstate New York. I enjoyed the video and even learned a couple new things.
I was a little disappointed on how there was both a high level of inaccuracies and stereotypes that were presented as fact.
But overall nice video. I’ll be showing it tomorrow to my kids in the classroom. All your videos are always age appropriate and professionally done. You might want to keep a closer eye on your fact checker though.
Even though you haven’t done a full face reveal I was floored to hear and see your voice belonging that body. I was expecting to see a grandpa!
Schenectady wasn't really covered in the video. He mostly focused on the cities hit by lake effect snow.
Schenectady and Albany don't really get much snow anymore like they used to mostly due to global warming and too far away from lake effect snow.
@ No i definitely understand what you are saying but I wasn’t even referring to any of the snow or weather that occurs here. I was a senior in high school in 1993 when we got the snowstorm of the century. What a great time that was and I seriously mean it. I went to junior college in Herkimer which outside of Rome and Utica and we used to get some of the lake effect snow.
@@u235u235u235He didn’t mention Watertown which gets much more snow than Syracuse. Second to Buffalo.
I’m from Schenectady as well. Was a student at Union. Hope your class enjoyed the video!
In other words not enough black people. Always the victim
You know I really like this video. It helps visualize how I explain to people that New York State outside of the cities is like a southern farming state mixed with mountain folk fighting the barren winter. And people elsewhere often think of only the cities when they hear new york
Upstate does not want to be associated with The City. Thats why we say, "we're from Upstate" ... but in recent times it's an utter embarrassment to even be a New Yorker.
The embarrassment is upstate. A bunch of ghetto cities combined with hillbilly culture. Contributes nothing of value to the state. While downstate is virtually one of the global capitols
Awesome. We never recognized you 😁
Why the embarrassment. Expain.
It’s never embarrassing to tell people I’m from NYC. I love my city.. don’t let these gaslighting videos fool you. Compared to growing up in the 80s during the crack era , living here has never been safer..
@@daviddawes293agreed. And I have always found people from upstate saying they're from New York, which people automatically assume is NYC. They totally do it on purpose. 😂
FYI: Upstate NY is red, VERY red. So if that bothers you ......
Many lakes in NY-I have launched my boat in Lake George, Lake Champlain, The Finger Lakes, and The St Lawrence River. The neat thing is that I leave my boat keys, electronics, and fishing gear in the boat and no one steals anything. It's the way it is, the people are grand!
Omg... so true. We have our own special breed of redneck. The more rural you get, the more "red" the thinking. Which is a pity, because most folks are friendly... they're just closed minded.
Not around the colleges
No blacks, we get it
Barker new york ,14012 here. My very existence began here in up state . I love it ,hence I ❤NY.
I live in the Catskill Mountains. Upstate New York. I exist. I was homeless and now I own two successful businesses. I would love a couple of good workers who want to eventually take over.
Yep, and you still need to pay taxes to support NYC without receiving anything in return.
@@janet6421 yeah I don't know why all my family is hell bent on staying there, nice place to visit in the summer... THATS ALL
Good luck on finding a youngster that wants to actually work .. they out there, just few n far 😒
what kind of work? i might be interested
Yes, what kind of work?
No mention of wine country?
True!! Or Kake George and Champlain, but that's OK
Of course not... that would be a positive and this video is focused on the negative. 🤣
Finger Lakes area and grapes-wine.
I live "upstate" (Binghamton area). Back in the 90's most of IBM moved down south where taxes were lower. My oldest uncle who graduated high school in the late 70's had a graduation class close to 600 students. I graduated in 2001 with a class just over 300. Gotta move to where the work is.
I feel like if you have a degree... you could probably find a job somewhere other than that cesspool called New York! My degree has allowed me to live in 4 different states and 2 different countries. I move where I want.
Southern tier I believe you mean. 😉 👉
@@TheInquisitiveShark yes Binghamton is in the Southern Tier
@jimmydepersis3130 agreed. Yet everyone refers to that as Upstate. 🤦♂️
Egocentric outlook.
It's basically the same reason that 3/4 of Oregon wants to become greater Idaho... The rural people are tired of being held hostage by the shitty policies of the big cities. What works for large cities doesn't necessarily work for the rural areas.
Let's not forget that Native American tribes like the Haudenosaunee (Iroquois Confederacy) and Algonquin-speaking peoples were living in what we now call New York for centuries before the Dutch ever arrived. Tribes like the Mohawk, Oneida, Onondaga, Seneca, and others had thriving communities, governance, and trade networks long before European contact. Their history and influence in the region go back thousands of years!
Upstate NY is beautiful. Experience all 4 seasons. Away from big city. Lots of nature, winter activities, D1 college football (SU), Lakes and beaches. ect..
spring and fall is ok in NY the rest is trash imo.
Love upstate NY, taxes drove me out.
Six months of rain, snow and gloomy overcast. The other six months aren't bad at all.
People don't realize we're surrounded by water from the Great Lakes to the Atlantic, the St Lawrence to the Hudson River. I'm on the Finger Lakes and there are waterfalls and streams and rivers all over the place, plus the canal system. So, if you are into boating, canoes, fishing, swimming, or water sports Upstate has it. From Musky, pike, Trout, Bass, down state Oysters, Mackerel, clams and Bl. claw crabs...
@@eveny119 no Whole Foods where you are!!
Live in Niagara falls it's a disaster roads are horribly falling apart they put traffic cones in sinkholes that have been in the middle of some streets for 3 years our city officials are corrupt the manipulate the funding in ways where they get the money or their friends and family businesses that don't even perform the jobs The only thing that possibly could have helped was the revenue from the casino's but all the money goes to New York City which is a rip off for our city that desperately needs proper funding
visited there many times while living in western ny. I was always happy not to be mugged.
Building out is not as sustainable as building up. Cities across the US cannot keep up with the bill to sustain the roads and infrastructure that comes from building out.
But but but Hochul just gave over $800 million to build the new Bills stadium...that's goooood, right?! 😅
All that said i still love my city. (Niagara Falls) The traffic is great in and around the city, Lots of great places to eat and a very diverse community. Our weather is great for the most part as the Lake effect just misses our city. I am quite interested in the New Asian style Como restaurant menu as well.
Democrat policy. Not their policies per se, but the way they campaign on problems, like poverty, poor infrastructure, etc, if those problems are actually addressed and fixed, well, why would anyone vote for them again?
Syracuse resident here, its not so bad & with climate change happening more people will move up here eventually.
No major natural disasters, hence why after 40 yrs living in 13 different states and 3 other countries, we’re moving back to CNY
Born, raised and educated in post WWII Ca. Didn't learn much about NY upstate OR down. In Ca., they told the history of NY in anecdotes, and the general consensus of our education was that America was settled in 1603. Pretty much had to get to college before ya' learned anything about New Amasterdam. ("that's what they used to call it"). No hard feelings, it's just nice to see this much of the whole story in one place and well told. I hit Like every time. . Thanks.
This video is pretty badly researched.
Hello from Oswego! I live here and I love it, its a nice cozy town that is not too small and not too huge. Our winters here are known worldwide for the intensity of snow we get. Funny we just got our first "bad" lake effect snow event for this year over the last 2 days. We got at least 2 feet of snow yesterday alone, closer to 3 feet I'd say. Some snow drifts behind my house are over 6 feet high right now! It has been very windy so the snow drifts are insane around town right now. I deliver for Canale's Restaurant in town as well, that has been fun lately! (Post Malones favorite Italian restaurant by the way ;))
Great video as well! Upstate New York has over a century of history that is varied and incredible. Some of the biggest companies of the world started in Upstate. It is starting to grow and improve a lot over the last decade however, especially in Oswego where I live. I highly recommend a visit for anyone interested! Lake Ontario is beautiful and Oswego is right on the southern beaches of it. In the summer and spring months its beautiful here, and Lake Ontario is so large that you cant see land looking out over it, so it basically feels like an ocean from our towns perspective.
ALL - bin - EE Not
AL - bin - EE.
Butchered Iroquois as well.
Butchered a lot of facts too.
@@heywoodjablowme7941 Totally.
In NYC, is it pronounced "Smallbany." They love to poke fun at how tiny Albany is.
The incorrect pronunciation is a tell for a foreigner.
Why? Mario Cuomo…thats why. Thanks to taxes, all the industry left. NY used to be the Silicon Valley of the US, but pretty much all the tech left.
NY has a 2 trillion dollar economy. No, industry did not leave that state.
@@johnroberts9922yes it did. I witnessed it first hand when Iived in several areas of NYS. All that’s left in many areas are Universities and health care as industry. Upstate used to have lots of major industrial companies, but has very little big industry left, with more and more companies leaving even now. You can’t do business in NY.
@@porcelainthunder2213 Then why does Upstate NY contribute $650 billion to our national GDP? That is far greater than 44 states provide.
@ like the video states, a great deal of product in upstate is agricultural, which does not need vast sums so employees like manufacturing does, neither does the mining operations. Some corporate headquarters are also in NYS, far enough from NYC to count as upstate. They don’t make anything there so they don’t employ many, but the corporate $$ passes through that office, so it counts. A lot of the GDP number is also nonsense. The point of the video is to explain what happened to Upstate when it used to have jobs and make stuff. Remington Arms and Perrelli Tire just left.
@@porcelainthunder2213 The video is completely wrong. You do not get to $650 billion of GDP with agriculture. GDP is not calculated by where the corporate headquarters are located. Christ, my daughter is earning $145k as a chemical engineer in Buffalo.
Half the reason for the problems in the U.S. right now, came from individuals treating homes as investment commodities to maximize profits.
A home is literally an investment and upgrading it is also an investment. Not sure what point you were trying to make tho...
No it's liberals and people like you with their heads in the sand using their college education to justify ignorance
Without downstate NY, population density of upstate NY is still larger than most southern states, especially if you ignore the absolutely massive state park. Also a ton of agriculture and forestry. Calling upstate NY empty is completely ridiculous.
Upstate New York needs a divorce.
Hell yeah. NYC just a 2nd puerto Rico. Am i right brother? 😂
@@FallingAwake16 Miami too with the Cubans
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
Yes , Yes we do.
Nyc and upstate are different worlds
For example in rochester: Video shows images of buffalo subway and city streets
That's nothing....the shots of Niagara falls were the Canadian side of the border.
More: The shot of Rochester transit at 13:11 was of Rochester... Minnesota.
@@shabichadwell Meh...potato patato....
My daughter lives in St Regis Falls. I was living on Wisconsin for 70 yrs moved to Arizona . Been here for 6. Yrs . My daughter wants me to move with her
Back to Snow Cold Mosquitoes Wood ticks.
And cloudy skies. Not sure what to do. But this video helped me to think more about the pros and cons. Another awesome video . Thank you . I can almost smell the coffee.😊
Upstate New York is beautiful. I like the Finger Lakes area. Of course I am one for the more remote areas. There are only 20 counties east of the Mississippi river that are remote with low populations less than 10 people per square mile. Lake effect snow is no joke.
NYC should hold a referendum on leaving upstate.
where would their prisoners go?
Lived in the Syracuse area in the late 80s. Absolutely loved it.
It has to be said. Many Upstaters (including some people on Long Island) and NYC residents don't have high opinions of each other.
Hard work/common sense vs college indoctrination/DEI
@@maxwelljacobfreedom To a degree, but upstate schools are just as bad as the City's. IMO, the NYC dwellers live in a very compact space where anything you need is 15 minutes or less away by foot or by public transit. This makes it hard for them to understand Their concerns are urban, they can't understand the concerns and needs of suburban and rural communities. They tend to believe what policies work for them are the best policies for the state as a whole. Since they live in a cess-pit of confirmation bias and mob mentality, and they conclude that we are a bunch of rubes. Those of us in Upstate resent the city because they pretty much dictate everything in terms of legislation. It's a textbook example of why the Electoral college is needed.
What's amazing is how different each town is, One hour up is farm land, and hour down is highrise buildings, its amazing how didferent it is.
Exactly. I’m from Brooklyn but live near Syracuse and years ago in Rochester and the diversity of the counties and villages within the counties and cities are amazing and vast.
@@MsE711 Of course man, I live near Syracuse and the culture, Lingo, Style, Ect all follow from New York, and the diversity is truly wild.
I live in Syracuse and I love it! Lots of open space, reasonable housing prices and I can get anywhere I want in half an hour.
Watchin this while i'm sitting in Western New York in eternal darkness. :)
Heck yeah, same here.
Cheer up, the days are getting longer and we'll never have to worry about fresh water.
I love upstate NY after moving from Nassau County on Long Island. It’s peaceful and quiet for raising a family.
Government regulations on
Manufacturing are why upstate
New York has become destitute
Which regulations, specifically?
I grew up in Corinth NY. spent first 25 years of my life there. Your research is spot on. The International Paper Company left Corinth in the 90’s it was a ghost town shorty afterwards but surprisingly as of lately their population has grown. Thanks for doing a video about upstate it’s where my heart is. You should do a story about Allen Town NY it’s also called the town of Day. I knew the people who lived there.
If it wasn't for upstate N.Y., NYC wouldn't have water. Funny how he doesn't talk about NYC crime.
The villains are in charge
Sigh…. “Practically empty”. Granted the Syracuse metro is only ~ 650k, but Buffalo, Rochester, and Albany metro are all over a million people. I think each of those beat the entire states of the Dakotas, Wyoming, Alaska, Vermont, or Delaware.
Rochester and Binghamton are not the prosperous cities they were in the 80s. When Kodak, Delco, RPD, Xerox, and IBM left these cities, they aged. The same thing happened to Michigan when the automotive lost sales and pulled out manufacturing while living there.
14 million can have that cesspool, upstate NY has a ton more room to breathe and being in a medium sized city has quite a few advantages over a huge metropolis where everyone is on top of each other with an insane cost of living.
Love your videos :) I live in rochester-ny.... and been to every city you spoke of and well ny struggles due to taxes and most all decisions and funding go to nyc and ignore the rest of the state. We also have a ton of crime here sadly. Also yes one of the cloudiest places in the country. But still not a bad place to live :)
Love those "plates"!
I live in Niagara Falls and i love my states weather and the diversity of things to enjoy here. We have 4 distinct seasons and the traffic is great. Local alcohol production is some of the best in the country and Rochester is home to my favorite cidery (Blue Toad). The difficulties faced due to increment weather build strong communities and good neighbors. I've seen people help one another out countless times here. Plus homes are more affordable and prices on food are lower than most places. Some of the minor price controls New York State has are great such as the retail price limit put on milk products.
@@Torgo1969 Nick Tahou was a legend.
A native of Syracuse, NY, our official snowfall average is 115". The Tug Hill on the eastern shores of Lake Ontario, receives an average snowfall of over 300". Three major corporations in Syracuse was Carrier Corp. Once employed 12,500 hourly and salary workers, now less than 100 are still on a 42 acre site. The other was GE. General Electric Corp. Employed 31,000, now barely hitting 1,000 employees. The third was General Motors Corp. Employing 10,500 employees, today ZERO.
Rochester had Kodak Corp. that made the famous Kodachrome film, paper and various camera models.
Your “anonymity” is a small price to pay for the consistently great stuff you provide for us. Thanks, sincerely..
He doesn’t speak English he isn’t trying to stay anonymous😂
Think I saw him in a NYC Starbucks buying candy and water. Then later coming out of a taxi near the George Washington Bridge heading to a nearby Greyhound Bus station. That was in early December 2024. Lots of people look like him.
I was born in Staten Island and I am SO glad my mom moved the family to Saratoga Springs, NY in 1997 when I turned 10 and I have lived here ever since. I love it up here! The city is smelly, run-down, overcrowded, overly expensive, and down right scary. I will stay up here in my quiet little town and enjoy my Adirondack State Park and all the lovely lakes and camp sites I go to. I will take nature and rural land over an urban city any day.
You always talk about interesting topics going on in the world. Im learning lots. 😂...cheers
New York born and raised.I've lived in every part of the state .At one point I left New York State and ventured to Florida where all I thought about was "why did I ever leave NY".The changing seasons,the mountains,the rivers , all of it makes New York what it is.Currently in Northern NY where the lake effect has quite an effect and as any true New Yorker will tell you if we could saw off NYC we would be so much better off.Nice video.
All of NY has to pay for NYC
Not sure what you meant "pay for". 14 millions pay a lot more tax than 6 millions. Property tax, school tax, trash collection tax, income tax, import and export tax, sale tax, gas tax, business licensing fee...
"People feel like they are not represented like all of upstate is run essentially by the New York City liberals and small group that are running the entire state,"
@@calvintrainer1212 Taxes paid vs benefits received. NY spends most of the state budget on NYC and spreads the leftovers very thin. Upstate pays more taxes than the state spends on them while NYC receives more than they pay even though NYC makes more money.
@brokeboypobre Show me a link showing how much NY state pays on infrastructure in upstate NY VS tax revenue collected
@@janet6421 100% false. NY is one of the few states where the Lower districts ( towns, cities, villages) have more power than the actual counties they live in. If less money is being spent update, that's the local jurisdictions that are doing so not the counties or the state as a whole. I've been doing property tax work for the last 15 years.
Don't forget about the salmon fishing. Wold class
@@sheesh16 Cranberry Lake, look for NYS Forest Ranger school, Wanakeena. Start walking the maintenance road. If you want amore interesting walk through virgin forest, about a quarter mile in, on the left is a wilderness trail. Most of the markers knocked down in a wind storm in 47. First thing inside the forest is the largest known American Beech tree. About nine miles in, there's a creek where 100 fly fisherman could fish for days without knowing anyone else is there. DO NOT go in June, black fly season. Bring lots of DEET, the towns spray for mosquitos, you're on your own. And bear protection.
i swear i've heard this exact voice on like 30 other channels and that shit is always unnerving.
Western New Yorker here, we love our bonfires. Also as kids we would play dodgeball with apples towards the end of the season when they were starting to fall off the trees as they would splatter on impact haha
Grew up in upstate NY and escaped to live in NYC and finally California. Upstate NY is an excellent motivator to move elsewhere and still many people elsewhere don't realize NY state is not NYC.
Most of us aren't gay though
Look there are jobs here and what is on paper doesn't always reflect what is on the ground. I've lived upstate NY my whole life and you keep who you have and we keep who we have ! 🤝 Deal
I live in Oswego county 8-10 miles east of lake Ontario. Between yesterday and today I plowed 4 feet of snow. In 2000 give or take we had 91" of snow over 72 hours. Syracuse (25 miles south of us) doesn't get shit compared to us. There has never been a wildfire within 100 miles of us that I ever heard of. Also, we do not have alligators, venomous snakes (not that anyone I ever met has actually seen), no hurricanes, no floods, no earthquakes and an occasional minor tornado that always seems to find a barn with 2 cows in it.
Umm, what about Blue Mtn??? 1984 and a few more since then.
@@lisabishop6266 No idea what you're referencing
@@Book-Gnome earthquakes 😂 lil shakers
He said snowiest PLACE but what he should have said was snowiest CITY (1st in the US & 6th in the world). There are MANY places that get WAY more snow but as for cities its only beat by 3 in japan and 2 in canada.
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The figures that you give for stats on NY are incorrect. Do you work for the WEF?
Upstate would dearly love it if NYC fell off the state. The scenery of upstate is some of the choicest in the country. I grew up in Oswego County in the snow belt. I only left because in the legislature in anti gun !!!!! And the legislature is super democratic. I am an independent !!!!
Let us secede from NYC, Long Island and Albany and upstate will thrive. Our state-wide higher tax rates come from disproportionally supporting those regions. Similar dynamics are in CA.
Indeed
Albany isn't much different trust me
The last thing New York needs is more government funding. What has the government fixed in our lifetime because you gave them more money??
Central New York is just different.
CNY is decrepit
Go there during the fall. The leaf colors are simply amazing.
The finger lakes are not only beautiful, they are full of wineries and breweries.
Very good. I like videos that tell you things you normally wouldn't know about. There are a lot of interesting facts about NY.
I can't believe you missed the blizzard of '77 that hit Buffalo... first time in history that a national emergency was dictated by the president.
it was a serious storm. shut down the city for about a week after, several feet of snow a day over several days, 12 foot drifts...
Yeah, it was a disaster. Buffalo got what it gets in two days in only one.
Just messing around. Hello from Saratoga.
I recently moved to the Catskills area. I went off grid, it's cold but peaceful. I went away for month got back to my Amazon package intact. As well all the other stuff left unattended. Left NYC, l feel safer and at peace.
"Here in upstate NY"
*immediately shows NYC*
POV: You're watching this while living in upstate NY
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I haven’t seen these videos for a while but sitting and looking at you narrate it feels weird 😂
LOL at 17:15 think WATOP meant 19 feet not 19 inches (just over a dusting for Syracuse NY)
Rochester Winters are no joke. I learned to drive in winter, and took my road test at Emmerson and Glide in March, 2000
I have found they are nothing compared to Buffalo and Syracuse….heard it’s because Syracuse sucks and Buffalo blows.
I can tell you right now as someone who lives and works in the Captial district. We hate the city. The city is a leech on upstate we suffer so much cause of the city.
Love the content brother. ❤.easiest way to say it. Good job 👏
17:02 you do realize that 19 in of snow is nothing for upstate New York. It's more like 19 in fell in a 24-hour period then all year.
I am 68 years old and was born & raised in the Bronx. I enlisted in the USAF at 18. I have lived in Texas, New Mexico, 65 days in Germany, a year S Korea, TDY of 19 days to the PI, 6 years in Louisiana, 42 years in the Hudson Valley of NY. I am now retired there. The four seasons are great in NY. To me I have the best weather out of all of the areas that I have experienced in my lifetime due to the four seasons. The changes of season are at times difficult no doubt but I still love living here.