My Bass-Enhanced version Saga(there's also a "Balanced" version) arrived yesterday. Actually watching/ listening to this video with it. For the price it's good; specially if you're just a casual listener. Build quality is solid, cable and eartips- make sure to get better ones, performance- bass is good, mids and treble are clear enough. So far, sibilance that I've come across are from tracks that are sibilant or not well mastered to begin with. Not really have much to complain. For the price and what you're getting(except for the cable and eartips), and it's performance, it's definitely "bang for your buck". I got the Saga as sort of a replacement for the Rosefinch, which I gave to a friend who was looking for a set of "bass" earphones. She was pleasantly surprised that that kind of bass can be had from an earphone. She was mostly using tws, the ultra budget kind. Yeah, safe to say, she's now got her toes dipped into the hobby; hehehe... I figured, instead of getting another Rosefinch, why not try the Saga which also had a bit more mids and treble, as well as a more open sound-stage, compared to the Rosefinch. I'm glad I did. The tuning of the Saga also allows me to use it with more music genres compared to the Rosefinch. By the way, the eartips that I think(solely based on my personal preference) pairs well with the Saga are(in no particular order): Acoustune AET06(though not so comfortable for extended sessions), Tangzu Sancai Narrow Bore, Radius DeepMount, Dunu S&S, and Spinfit CP 100+(but you will lose some of the rumble and thump). Here's what i hope KZ would do in the future though(like maybe in 2-3 weeks time?). How about a triple-DD(maybe a 14mm, 10mm, and 6mm combo) with the best dynamic driver that KZ has and with a full-metal build. Like a totl version of the Trio or Vader, and tuned by the same guy they had tuning the Rhapsody and the Hydro. I bet KZ can do this for under 40$.
@@readistreet9383 Again, this is all based on my personal listening experience and the way my ears perceive sound; I'm not an "audiophile". I'm just a casual listener who enjoys listening to music, so please do take my 2-cents with a grain(or even a teaspoon) of salt. I just would like to make that clear, lest someone starts castigating me for stuff I've said in my original comment and here in my reply, that they disagree with. In my IEM line-up, the one with the lightest bass is the Saga. I have the Legato, I've had the ZAS and the Rosefinch, and I have the Rhapsody- if you put it on the 1100 setting, the Rhapsody can be even just a bit more bassy than the Saga. Between the Rosefinch and the Saga, the Rosefinch most definitely have the bigger bass. BUT! This also makes it very limited to the type of music genre you can listen with it. The Saga, though bassy enough, would be more versatile. Also, because of the smaller nozzle on the Saga, it's more comfortable compared to the Rosefinch.
@@JaviGómezLozano-x8r The Saga is something I can recommend to someone who's sort of just getting into IEMs and I would like for them to have something that is "familiar sounding" but better in a certain way. Specially those who are not looking to spend much, on earphones. I've met people who think earphones should cost less than 10$, so they content themselves with the dirt-cheap stuff that sounds terrible. And yet they still enjoy their music. But when they are given the chance to listen to decent earphones/IEMs, they actually light up and are pleasantly surprised. This was what happened to my friend. She was making do with the really cheap stuff, and she enjoys heavy bass. So when I let her listen to the Rosefinch, she just went "Wow!", and she said all that time she was listening to "blob" and "mud". So I let her have my Rosefinch(and she was enjoying the heck out of it). But if I already had the Saga then, I would've definitely given her the Saga instead. The tuning of the Saga and it's build quality is, in my opinion, what makes it a really good rec for people like my friend, to just spend a little bit more for something that they will definitely enjoy; and I know for a fact that there are a lot of them out there.
@@JaviGómezLozano-x8r Yeah, i don't think the full potential of a triple-dd set-up has been realized. That set-up right there can cover the 3 main frequencies, Bass, Mids, and Treble. That's why I wonder why barely any company is taking that set-up more seriously. For one, i think that it's because it's dynamic drivers- which means it's not going to be overly complicated(if at all), which also means they can't charge people much. 7Hz has gone through all that trouble of putting together a 5-DD set-up with the Five, which is a novel idea(and yes it's actually on my bucket list), but to me the question is, why aren't more brands doing triple-DD which can cover all three frequencies? I think it's the relative simplicity of it is the reason. It's simple enough that it'd be quite difficult to convince people to pay more than they should. That's why I hope KZ makes improved versions of their triple-DD set-up(and with all 3 drivers independently doing what it's supposed to be doing. I haven't forgotten the lesson of the "Dud Driver Fiasco" KZ got themselves into, a couple of years ago).
@@PaulWasabii too many choices. I would live with one solid set, no worries, but what? Can't audit the things first where I live. Try and return it if you don't like it, is not a thing in my country.
Excellent video! Maybe you should place the part about KZ sets in a separate video so more people can find it. I rewatched the reviews of some of the sets you mentioned and ended up ordering the Trio ($12 on sale 🎉 ), out of curiosity. :) I have the Hydro next on the list of set to get because the tuning seems good and you said they give an idea of what expensive multi driver are like. But am worried about spending $120 on a KZ set. Is the Super Mix 4 a better overall package? I don't mind EQing the Harman out it. 😂 Is there anything else sub $150 you recommend I check during the big A sale this week?
Yep, I will do a KZ wrap up video, maybe towards the end of the year. Just a lot of the same questions recently on those particular sets. As for SM4 or Hydro, I'd still take Hydro with the bass shelf but both are nice sets. SM4 takes a bit more EQ but might fit better. Just my gut feeling, people who are more treble emphasis will take SM4, but the Hydro balance isn't as treble emphasized but it has a lower end that handles more genres with the switches. I also think treble plays better into what Simgot is good at, not just on SM4. If you are EQ'ing, matters less which set but as I said, Hydro is kinda large shell which is noticeable if you have smaller ears.
The tuning looks like an Hola or EDC Pro with more sub-bass. I tend to think that Castor bass, Vader balanced, and the Saga bass, look like a cost effective way to checkout a few different types of tuning. Vader is odd one, the high-res was the one KZ seemed to send to reviewers, and it wasn't the good one. I still think for people that want lots of bass, the KBear Rosefinch is a great budget pick.
Correct, they tweaked Saga a bit for balance, but that is the idea. The Castor/Vader/Trio is slightly different but I agree, Rosefinch is a cool set a lot more bass. Saga is a few db less. Both are nice to have if you are a heavy bass type.
@@I-Am-Attomiik555Khan has some holes particularly at 300hz, and somewhere up top there is another one, the treble is not as natural as I would like, but for the price they are very good. I find they need a lot of power to sound good, I have them on a balanced cable and feed them 500mw, not sure it's enough. Coherence is not excellent.
Yeah, similar but still more. Would I pay that much more for slightly more bass? Nope. As I said, Saga is an affordable way to figure out if that style is for you or not. ZAR wasn't my favorite but if you just care about a lot of bass, its fine.
@@PaulWasabii thank you for your professional opinion and fast answer! The ZAR is at €53 atm so it's not so far away from the price for the KZ ZS10 Pro 2. I own the KZ ZS10 Pro X and the KZ ZS10 Pro 2. Interestingly, the bass on the Pro 2 improved after some time, almost as if it needed a 'burn-in' period. However, I still find it a bit harsh in the mids some time (3k peak?) and, for my taste, lacking just a touch of bass. While I can compensate for this with the "Bass Mode" setting on my KZ AE01 Bluetooth ear hooks, it would be nice to have an IEM that naturally has more bass presence without sacrificing quality in the mids and highs. Don’t get me wrong, I do like the ZS10 Pro 2, but from what I’ve heard, the ZAR is the flagship, so my expectations are pretty high. Maybe I should be asking you more about the comparison in quality of the mids and highs between the ZS10 Pro 2 and the ZAR?
if you have kz module, just take the ZAR, i don't know why but i had ZAR, cca trio, castor harman, vader and AS 16 PRO X but only ZAR is good in kz module( i have XZ10), others when you turn on bass mode will get mid thinner or laid back very much, except ZAR. But need to use foam tip because stock is shit for ZAR.
any recomended 1dd 20$ iem that's has enough bass quantity for basshead, warm and engaging vocals and a bit smooth highs? with no switch either. my castor just died from daily use i think it has something to do with the switch
The best basshead set in that price range is KBEAR Rosefinch. The point at which you ask for basshead bass, everything else is a lower priority as it is super difficult to do it all. Why Fatfreq sets are expensive.
Yes, the bass version is really only for people who listen to bass heavy tracks. Balance will be slightly cleaner, more balanced but still cool metal build. I like EDC Pro though, its not bass shy either and cheap.
Typically decorative. Usually you can look at the marketing diagrams on kztws.com and see. Sometimes there is a pinhole vent under the decorative vents.
@@PaulWasabii yea that's why i was curious. on the kz product page it says they're a "breathable mesh design". maybe this is where the tuning difference is between the two? like the balanced one is semi-open and the bass version is sealed
As I said, the bass style is different, closer to what you find in other brands vs other KZ sets. Rhapsody is really different as it is not a heavy bass set. As I said, you only look at Saga if you like a lot of bass and listen to music with heavy bass. Otherwise grab Rhapsody or EDC Pro.
Better isn't the right word, Saga is more like recent sets from other brands, a heavy subbass emphasis. Works well in R&B/Rap. I like Castro for EDM where its less subbass focused.
balanced version always best otherwise it adds breathing effect on some tracks (like "Suzume" starting hook ru ru rurururu gets messed up) which is not good.
I have both and yes the balanced version suits me better for very slightly less bass (not that much difference despite what the official fr graphs suggests) and a little more clarity in the mids and the upper.
@@quochuynguyen764 yes but in a nice way. Polaris is one of those rare KZ iems that is tuned in a very balanced sound that is almost like plain water. To my ears Saga (bass) is sort of a more matured Castor bass edition while the balanced edition is, well, more balanced with a better treble than Polaris.
To add to what @colddish said, more subbass will pull the stage inward a bit, but Saga is still far from an in your head set like some other recent bass heavy sets. Especially recent KZ sets, most have decent stage and rarely sound intimate.
They should really lean out & simplify their iem lineup; focus on their "better" sets and improve them by generations instead of that spray & pray approach (although the likes of Saga & PRX are quite good ngl). Also, I hope this trend carries on with giving them real names instead of random letter/number combinations followed by Plus/Pro/Max/Mega/Ultra/X Edition.
That is a related point to why I covered some KZ sets and not most of them in the lightning round. Those are the sets I get questions on which is a much smaller list than the list of all their releases. Outside of audio forums or groups, I don't think people pay as much attention to every release. In the groups, it is a constant stream of new sets which are typically refinements on a previous set.
@@PaulWasabii I try and get the last one of any 'series', like the ZVX, which worked out well for me, I really enjoy the ZVX. But it means you have to follow everything so you will know.
My Bass-Enhanced version Saga(there's also a "Balanced" version) arrived yesterday. Actually watching/ listening to this video with it. For the price it's good; specially if you're just a casual listener. Build quality is solid, cable and eartips- make sure to get better ones, performance- bass is good, mids and treble are clear enough. So far, sibilance that I've come across are from tracks that are sibilant or not well mastered to begin with. Not really have much to complain. For the price and what you're getting(except for the cable and eartips), and it's performance, it's definitely "bang for your buck".
I got the Saga as sort of a replacement for the Rosefinch, which I gave to a friend who was looking for a set of "bass" earphones. She was pleasantly surprised that that kind of bass can be had from an earphone. She was mostly using tws, the ultra budget kind. Yeah, safe to say, she's now got her toes dipped into the hobby; hehehe...
I figured, instead of getting another Rosefinch, why not try the Saga which also had a bit more mids and treble, as well as a more open sound-stage, compared to the Rosefinch. I'm glad I did. The tuning of the Saga also allows me to use it with more music genres compared to the Rosefinch.
By the way, the eartips that I think(solely based on my personal preference) pairs well with the Saga are(in no particular order):
Acoustune AET06(though not so comfortable for extended sessions), Tangzu Sancai Narrow Bore, Radius DeepMount, Dunu S&S, and Spinfit CP 100+(but you will lose some of the rumble and thump).
Here's what i hope KZ would do in the future though(like maybe in 2-3 weeks time?). How about a triple-DD(maybe a 14mm, 10mm, and 6mm combo) with the best dynamic driver that KZ has and with a full-metal build. Like a totl version of the Trio or Vader, and tuned by the same guy they had tuning the Rhapsody and the Hydro.
I bet KZ can do this for under 40$.
Saga doesn't seem half bad but that 3DD idea got me salivating
@@TheRebelLion13 wich one has more bass?
@@readistreet9383 Again, this is all based on my personal listening experience and the way my ears perceive sound; I'm not an "audiophile". I'm just a casual listener who enjoys listening to music, so please do take my 2-cents with a grain(or even a teaspoon) of salt. I just would like to make that clear, lest someone starts castigating me for stuff I've said in my original comment and here in my reply, that they disagree with.
In my IEM line-up, the one with the lightest bass is the Saga. I have the Legato, I've had the ZAS and the Rosefinch, and I have the Rhapsody- if you put it on the 1100 setting, the Rhapsody can be even just a bit more bassy than the Saga. Between the Rosefinch and the Saga, the Rosefinch most definitely have the bigger bass. BUT! This also makes it very limited to the type of music genre you can listen with it.
The Saga, though bassy enough, would be more versatile. Also, because of the smaller nozzle on the Saga, it's more comfortable compared to the Rosefinch.
@@JaviGómezLozano-x8r The Saga is something I can recommend to someone who's sort of just getting into IEMs and I would like for them to have something that is "familiar sounding" but better in a certain way.
Specially those who are not looking to spend much, on earphones. I've met people who think earphones should cost less than 10$, so they content themselves with the dirt-cheap stuff that sounds terrible. And yet they still enjoy their music. But when they are given the chance to listen to decent earphones/IEMs, they actually light up and are pleasantly surprised. This was what happened to my friend. She was making do with the really cheap stuff, and she enjoys heavy bass. So when I let her listen to the Rosefinch, she just went "Wow!", and she said all that time she was listening to "blob" and "mud". So I let her have my Rosefinch(and she was enjoying the heck out of it). But if I already had the Saga then, I would've definitely given her the Saga instead.
The tuning of the Saga and it's build quality is, in my opinion, what makes it a really good rec for people like my friend, to just spend a little bit more for something that they will definitely enjoy; and I know for a fact that there are a lot of them out there.
@@JaviGómezLozano-x8r
Yeah, i don't think the full potential of a triple-dd set-up has been realized. That set-up right there can cover the 3 main frequencies, Bass, Mids, and Treble. That's why I wonder why barely any company is taking that set-up more seriously. For one, i think that it's because it's dynamic drivers- which means it's not going to be overly complicated(if at all), which also means they can't charge people much.
7Hz has gone through all that trouble of putting together a 5-DD set-up with the Five, which is a novel idea(and yes it's actually on my bucket list), but to me the question is, why aren't more brands doing triple-DD which can cover all three frequencies? I think it's the relative simplicity of it is the reason. It's simple enough that it'd be quite difficult to convince people to pay more than they should.
That's why I hope KZ makes improved versions of their triple-DD set-up(and with all 3 drivers independently doing what it's supposed to be doing. I haven't forgotten the lesson of the "Dud Driver Fiasco" KZ got themselves into, a couple of years ago).
Zs10 pro x is an excellent set. Sturdy build. Coherent and Laid back sound.
Correct, a lot of people are just looking for one solid set, not tracking every new set that comes out.
@@PaulWasabii too many choices. I would live with one solid set, no worries, but what? Can't audit the things first where I live. Try and return it if you don't like it, is not a thing in my country.
10 pro X my fisrt set of Kz ,,,, and is still one of the best for sure very good sound
I have the Pro 2 version coming. I hope I'm not disappointed. If the sound better than my Soundcore P40s, I'll be stoked.
@@RKZX2 pro 2 have better sound
Excellent video!
Maybe you should place the part about KZ sets in a separate video so more people can find it. I rewatched the reviews of some of the sets you mentioned and ended up ordering the Trio ($12 on sale 🎉 ), out of curiosity. :)
I have the Hydro next on the list of set to get because the tuning seems good and you said they give an idea of what expensive multi driver are like. But am worried about spending $120 on a KZ set.
Is the Super Mix 4 a better overall package? I don't mind EQing the Harman out it. 😂
Is there anything else sub $150 you recommend I check during the big A sale this week?
Yep, I will do a KZ wrap up video, maybe towards the end of the year. Just a lot of the same questions recently on those particular sets. As for SM4 or Hydro, I'd still take Hydro with the bass shelf but both are nice sets. SM4 takes a bit more EQ but might fit better. Just my gut feeling, people who are more treble emphasis will take SM4, but the Hydro balance isn't as treble emphasized but it has a lower end that handles more genres with the switches. I also think treble plays better into what Simgot is good at, not just on SM4. If you are EQ'ing, matters less which set but as I said, Hydro is kinda large shell which is noticeable if you have smaller ears.
@@PaulWasabii Thanks! 🙏
The tuning looks like an Hola or EDC Pro with more sub-bass. I tend to think that Castor bass, Vader balanced, and the Saga bass, look like a cost effective way to checkout a few different types of tuning. Vader is odd one, the high-res was the one KZ seemed to send to reviewers, and it wasn't the good one. I still think for people that want lots of bass, the KBear Rosefinch is a great budget pick.
Correct, they tweaked Saga a bit for balance, but that is the idea. The Castor/Vader/Trio is slightly different but I agree, Rosefinch is a cool set a lot more bass. Saga is a few db less. Both are nice to have if you are a heavy bass type.
@@PaulWasabii Paul the Saga is close to ESX
KZ...
The ongoing (and apparently upcoming) Saga continues...🙂
I wonder how it compares to the classic QKZ x HBB. They look fairly similar by graph. 🤔
hbb khan version was best
@@I-Am-Attomiik555 I think they're both good but I like the og a little more, personally. The balance is better for my basshead preferences.
@@I-Am-Attomiik555Khan has some holes particularly at 300hz, and somewhere up top there is another one, the treble is not as natural as I would like, but for the price they are very good. I find they need a lot of power to sound good, I have them on a balanced cable and feed them 500mw, not sure it's enough. Coherence is not excellent.
Not sure, I'd guess KZ left a little more upper range as HBB likes a bit less. But not sure.
Does the KZ ZAR has more bass then this one? Just wondering as the graphs look quite similar.
Yeah, similar but still more. Would I pay that much more for slightly more bass? Nope. As I said, Saga is an affordable way to figure out if that style is for you or not. ZAR wasn't my favorite but if you just care about a lot of bass, its fine.
@@PaulWasabii thank you for your professional opinion and fast answer!
The ZAR is at €53 atm so it's not so far away from the price for the KZ ZS10 Pro 2.
I own the KZ ZS10 Pro X and the KZ ZS10 Pro 2. Interestingly, the bass on the Pro 2 improved after some time, almost as if it needed a 'burn-in' period.
However, I still find it a bit harsh in the mids some time (3k peak?) and, for my taste, lacking just a touch of bass. While I can compensate for this with the "Bass Mode" setting on my KZ AE01 Bluetooth ear hooks, it would be nice to have an IEM that naturally has more bass presence without sacrificing quality in the mids and highs. Don’t get me wrong, I do like the ZS10 Pro 2, but from what I’ve heard, the ZAR is the flagship, so my expectations are pretty high. Maybe I should be asking you more about the comparison in quality of the mids and highs between the ZS10 Pro 2 and the ZAR?
Zar have way better sound and more quallity bass and loud bass
if you have kz module, just take the ZAR, i don't know why but i had ZAR, cca trio, castor harman, vader and AS 16 PRO X but only ZAR is good in kz module( i have XZ10), others when you turn on bass mode will get mid thinner or laid back very much, except ZAR. But need to use foam tip because stock is shit for ZAR.
any recomended 1dd 20$ iem that's has enough bass quantity for basshead, warm and engaging vocals and a bit smooth highs? with no switch either. my castor just died from daily use i think it has something to do with the switch
The best basshead set in that price range is KBEAR Rosefinch. The point at which you ask for basshead bass, everything else is a lower priority as it is super difficult to do it all. Why Fatfreq sets are expensive.
Should i go for the Saga balance version, i don’t like too much bass nowadays , how is the balance version vs EDC PRO 😄
Yes balanced is really more balanced but expect a good amount of bass as well though not as much as the bass version (difference is minimal)
Yes, the bass version is really only for people who listen to bass heavy tracks. Balance will be slightly cleaner, more balanced but still cool metal build. I like EDC Pro though, its not bass shy either and cheap.
Unfortunately the 11khz peak is brutal for me. With a sharp PEQ cut just there these sound mighty fine.
You do 11k, I do 5k. Most people don't know there sensitivities so you are ahead of the game.
Is the shell shape and fit relatable to the D-Fi?
Yes, but I also don't have D-Fi handy. There is some chance they just changed the faceplate.
Este KZ saga es mejor que los moondro chu 2?? o los Tripowin Piccolo?
Only better if you like more bass. The balanced version might be closer to Chu 2. I would not own both.
This or the kz castor?
I would say Castor. This has 1 driver. Castor has 2
@@RKZX2 ok thanks! I mostly listen to music and asmr lol
Nozzel looks quite long
That's because it is naked. 😊
And kind of thick too...
Ye. You need to oil it up.
It’s actually one of the shorter ones in KZ’s offerings. It’s also very small so I have to push a little every time I wear it.
are those actual vents on the side or are they just for aesthetics?
Typically decorative. Usually you can look at the marketing diagrams on kztws.com and see. Sometimes there is a pinhole vent under the decorative vents.
@@PaulWasabii yea that's why i was curious. on the kz product page it says they're a "breathable mesh design". maybe this is where the tuning difference is between the two? like the balanced one is semi-open and the bass version is sealed
How does it compare with Vader or Rhapsody?
As I said, the bass style is different, closer to what you find in other brands vs other KZ sets. Rhapsody is really different as it is not a heavy bass set. As I said, you only look at Saga if you like a lot of bass and listen to music with heavy bass. Otherwise grab Rhapsody or EDC Pro.
Are they better than the KZ Castor Bass Edition?
It's basically a better built castor .. sound not anything ground breaking
It will also depend on your music library, rap or hiphop which has more subbass will be more noticeable with Saga.
is bass better than castor???
Yeap
Better isn't the right word, Saga is more like recent sets from other brands, a heavy subbass emphasis. Works well in R&B/Rap. I like Castro for EDM where its less subbass focused.
@@PaulWasabii better we mean more texture quallity Boss cheers 👉👌👈🤝✊ you are one of the best reviewers i love your channel and your opinion
Compared to Delci?
As I said, you like a lot more bass and listen to bass heavy genres, that is Saga Bass. Saga Balanced might be closer but not sure.
I LL wait castor pro double DDs have more resolution in my opinion
That's possible. Saga is really for the subbass shelf which I will be surprised if they move Castor Pro to that style.
@@PaulWasabii I wonder why KZ makes always the same tunings.Why they don t a meta for example or a more AFUL style?
Inawaken dawn ms please 🙏
I have it. Nice set, not the bass levels of Saga though, more of a cleaner 1DD.
balanced version always best otherwise it adds breathing effect on some tracks (like "Suzume" starting hook ru ru rurururu gets messed up) which is not good.
I have both and yes the balanced version suits me better for very slightly less bass (not that much difference despite what the official fr graphs suggests) and a little more clarity in the mids and the upper.
Yes, that is why I say the Bass version is really only for people who like that style, otherwise you notice the problems.
What about soundstage?
Is surprisingly good especially with the balanced version but Polaris has bigger soundstage. Everything else Saga is better.
@@colddish does the saga balanced have more bass than polaris? I find the bass quantity on polaris is quite enough
@@quochuynguyen764 yes but in a nice way. Polaris is one of those rare KZ iems that is tuned in a very balanced sound that is almost like plain water. To my ears Saga (bass) is sort of a more matured Castor bass edition while the balanced edition is, well, more balanced with a better treble than Polaris.
To add to what @colddish said, more subbass will pull the stage inward a bit, but Saga is still far from an in your head set like some other recent bass heavy sets. Especially recent KZ sets, most have decent stage and rarely sound intimate.
Paul, thank you for another wonderful earphone review! 👌
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They should really lean out & simplify their iem lineup; focus on their "better" sets and improve them by generations instead of that spray & pray approach (although the likes of Saga & PRX are quite good ngl). Also, I hope this trend carries on with giving them real names instead of random letter/number combinations followed by Plus/Pro/Max/Mega/Ultra/X Edition.
That is a related point to why I covered some KZ sets and not most of them in the lightning round. Those are the sets I get questions on which is a much smaller list than the list of all their releases. Outside of audio forums or groups, I don't think people pay as much attention to every release. In the groups, it is a constant stream of new sets which are typically refinements on a previous set.
@@PaulWasabii I try and get the last one of any 'series', like the ZVX, which worked out well for me, I really enjoy the ZVX. But it means you have to follow everything so you will know.
single driver? Skip