Meat Eater Decides to Challenge Vegan Activist
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No thanks virgin god put cows on earth to eat not how to eat them
bruh.. ok
I understand your choice. My choice is that if its not human you're allowed to put it in your mouth.
I do not participate with weakness.
Both sides are intelligent, this is how a debate should be.
Jacob Breath couldn’t agree more, obvs am with Ed but both very informed and considered arguments. 10/10 debate
I disagree, he's articulate but in my opinion not intelligent.
He might be educated, but definitely not intelligent. Source - 19:50
I totally agree
"That doesn't matter because we will be gone in 1 trillion years." That argument was so stupid, he is justifying practically every atrocity that happened, is happening and will happen in the world
"Can I make a point"...... "yes, of course you can".
THIS is how humans should discuss these topics!!
@Szilard Molnar yes I've noticed that with Steven. Even tho I agree with some of his views there was this "change my mind" episode where they discussed socialism. The other guy had great arguments and made me reconsider socialism, but Steven ran out of them and just started going about how the kid made a comment with the word "autistic" and just stopped the discussion. You can find the video on UA-cam I think. But that showed how he didn't want his mind changed, but to just "shove his opinion in the other guys throat".
@@thesadanimations I float about the web sometimes :) thank you!
Actually he cut him off there which is not how a debate works
You cant make a point until the other one is done making his point
It's not as entertaining as two equally braindead angry people violently verbally going at each other though
welcome to britain
"I haven't seen a flying cow"
"Well you haven't gone to space either"
Ed I love you, that was pure gold
ua-cam.com/video/siHfHUm3HGE/v-deo.html
Even as a non-religious person I find it sad that so many people think everything is meaningless and we are “just” a bunch of atoms floating randomly in space.
100% agree.
Nothing about that statement is incorrect though. We are just a bunch of atoms floating in space and for practical purposes animal suffering is just an emotion inside the heads of humans. One of the reasons for the invention of religions is probably to give humans the feeling of a higher sense of purpose.
It's freaking insane. He probably doesn't like the word "soul' but I think he's lacking one
That's how people should discuss ideas. This is how the world should be like.
Exactly! In my opinion, we currently put way to much emphasis on debates, where the goal is to win rather than to inform.
The world would be boring af if everyone was like this, don't you think?
It's good, like Steven Crowder's change my mind
people need to give a shit about becoming more knowledgeable first
I don't get it.. They are discussing shit in this fashion... What's the problem?
Unrelated but I wish I had the ability to just talk and express my ideas clearly without messing up my words or loosing my train of thought. Must be nice
I’m like partially educated in anything I do so I usually just lose confidence in my argument and end up agreeing with the person I’m debating against 😂 these days I’ve learnt to just shut my mouth and listen as I’ve realised I can learn everything I need to know without necessarily debating!
If I find myself headed in that direction I simply just flip the script and just start asking questions instead!
I had this EXACT same thought several time throughout this video omg
Practice
You can do anything
You can actually practice that :) Start small by expressing what you think and why about whatever issue (say where you'd like to eat with friends, how you feel after a conversation or movie) in one or two sentences, starting with your opinion or feeling, then followed by why you feel that way or how it affects you. It might be weird at first but you'll get used to speaking in full sentences including your reason. It will not only make you sound smart in staged debates but make communication with your friends or relationship partners easier and more clear, potentially bettering your relationships with them and also get you in touch with your own ability to justify feelings or opinions even just to yourself :)
If you have no one to practice with, even exploring your feelings or opinions in your own head like that can make a difference.
Also, there is no shame in saying "I'm not sure about this, I don't know enough about this topic to have a strong opinion" (maybe followed by "but i do know about this related issue...") and there is no shame in asking questions in order to learn and form an opinion. You can do everything you want to :) Even voicing your wish to get better at this in the comments here is a real first step.
24:27 "the reason why people aren't hurting other people is because they would be punished for that" - what a depressing thought that everyone on the world would just lose any kind of morale and humanity once no one would be punished. he took "the purge" way too seriously.
It's true if you look back even 500 years, people gathered by the hundreds to watch public executions as a form of entertainment. There's a reason we need laws.
@@scumbag9714 But those people were being executed because of the law
@@scumbag9714 , nah, people were being executed BECAUSE of laws. Look to our closest relatives and you'll see that we, as social beings, aim for harmony within our groups. Sure, fear of punishment can factor, but humans are an animal that bonds, nurtures and cares just as fiercely as it fights.
…is he wrong tho?
Oh boy would you be in a shock if the purge was real 😂
I am from Brazil, and I don’t think there is a cheaper and more practical country to be vegan in the world. Not only well developed countries have easy access to a plant based diet, people just talk about things they have no knowledge of.
Eu to tao feliz pra ler isso : ) Nao sou brasileiro, mas tenho **muitas conexoes ai (familha e amigos), e todos falam q nao e possivel ai. Q eu devo nao o mencionar, ou q eu to ignorante / nao entendo as realidades brasileiras
@@Brandon-os3qr :) imagina, é mais que possível. Inclusive temos restaurantes veganos maravilhosos! As pessoas só querem criticar. Eu vivo na Europa hoje e posso garantir que é muito mais fácil e barato ser vegano no Brasil.
@@mafesimione3967 Brazilian tribes can’t go to vegan restaurants. Kids in the slums can’t go to vegan restaurants
@@richierich2229 they don’t have to.
@@mafesimione3967 Concordo ! Ser vegano na França é um pesadelo...
This goes to show you can't judge an argument by its haircuts
Lool
Well i must say that vegan dude look like he was borned to be vegan xD
Highly underrated comment
😂😂😭
Really liked your comment
Politicians take note. No digs, or over opinions, just educated points of opposing views.
Politicians communicate the way they do because it works. Zingers and complex poblems boiled down to an single line is much more easy to communicate to the masses than long explanations. It sucks, but should it be otherwise we need to reinvent political debates
I'm actually okay with some zings. The problem is politicians can spout some mind-washing stupidity and empty platitudes that appeal to "heart" rather than rationale.
Don't know where you are from. But in my country, the politicians act formally like in this debate.
G Fisher Indeed. Comparing the jeering in the House of Commons to this.
Fornostios what country are you from then?
This is one of my favorite debates. I wish Ed had pushed the other guy on the ramifications of the "it's illegal so I don't do it" line of thinking. In some countries, it's perfectly legal to murder someone if they are LGBTQ+. As Ed said, legality doesn't equal morality.
And unfortunately for people using morality as a basis for any of their arguments, don't actually have an argument because morality is relative.
@@-rr-4172 Nothing matters so anything goes. It seems like morality is subjective, but since that leaves us free to decide for ourselves, I choose kindness over might makes right.
@@hollieinan8329 Exactly, which also means 'meat eaters' have just as much right to kill and eat an animal as you choosing to not to consume (or own?) anything that has resulted in an animal's death.
@@-rr-4172 And to do anything else they want to anyone, including all the worst things people do to each other--rape, torture, murder, etc. It also means people who dislike others suffering have just as much "right" to stop the people who hurt animals from hurting them. If we decide anything goes then... anything goes.
@@hollieinan8329 Welp, that's the truth. Anything does go......If you're a loony. I cant speak for others but i can speak for myself so i shall; morality is totally relative yes, but humanitarianism is not. Here's a thought exercise: since morality is relative, why isn't it ok to take someone else's life? Because as a human being, i can understand other human beings, recognizing that i dont want to die AND killing another of my own species would ultimately do the opposite of prolonging the survival and wellbeing of my species.
Great balanced debate. Really good to see, guys. I went vegan when I had this thought - "If you want to eat it, you have to kill it yourself." I realised that if I'm faced with a pig, sheep, or cow, I'm more likely to cuddle it than kill it. Haven't touched animal products since.
Same with me... Majority of the people can't see their food being killed...but they paradoxically still eat a lot of meat ..Those who comeout of this and resolve the paradox are now vegans...
Imagine a world where people are as educated and have it together as these two...
buddy on the left didn't have a clue what he was getting himself into. You think he's educated? His arguments were weak and not well thought out (just one indication was his revision and contradictions). His counterarguments even weaker. He was able to articulate himself quite clearly, but that's more rhetoric than it is knowledge.
@@orngpeelr9017 I'm not sure about you, but I don't have my arguments for every conceivable debate ready 24/7 in case I am invited to one spontaneously. Considering the guy on the left did this impromptu compared to Ed, who had arguments prepared in advance, I think he held his ground very well.
@@orngpeelr9017 honestly some of ed's counter arguments were childishly nitpicky. He cut the guy off a few times, not much, but when he did i felt that it was only to hinder the dudes thought process as he explained his points.
@@99999george he wasn't invited to a debate though? Out of his own volition he chose to make himself look foolish. You're crediting a guy for making an attempt and I would agree with you IF that attempt was necessary. No one forced him to debate Ed though. He chose to not bring any actual arguments.
@@t-dollas5442 that seems more like a projection than it does to be a logical conclusion given that Ed was clearly "winning the argument" for the lack of a better phrase. So he'd have no need to throw the guy off. Not to mention that the guy did the exact same thing, but ok.
If only the presidential debates were like this.
April Flower I want to age as well as this comment
yep
@@Dance4Israel HAHAHA like fine wine
best comment of the day
May Buzzetti HAHAHAH
Ed... I just want to say. I love you brother. You are such a valuable asset to the world. Thank you for being you 🙂👌❤️
"the reason we don't hurt each other is because of laws" This is just totally empirically wrong on so many levels.
Slavery used to be legal
@@angycucumber4319 yeh by the psychopaths in charge, NOT NORMAL NON CLUSTER B FOLK, we understand morals, and the golden rule.
can you elaborate on that?
I love how this didn't degrade into name calling and screaming
grown ups. they still exist.
This would be a different story if it was feminism lol
@@SHFTPROJECTS why?
@Bobson Dugnut there are many types of feminists. I happen to live with a woman who does a very good job of explaining why she is a feminist and why her ideas work and often how many of the loud feminists miss the point. Don't allow the loudest and most radical of any bunch form your view on a movement or a group of other people.
Because this isn't America.
WOW- this guy did NOT come to play. He knew what he was talking about not only that.. he listened. 👏🏻
janaye C yeah u clearly dont know what ur talking about...
More or less. He completely bailed out on morality, also didn't make a lot of sense in nuances, like saying we have control over parts of the universe or borderline-claiming animals might not be sentient beings. The part that angers me though is how he refers to animal products being used in many other ways than nourishment. Yes, having a pigs heart-valve might safe your life, while breeding and feeding and slaughtering a pig for food not only hurts your environment but also your heart. TBF, he was on the premise of "it is my choice" - which is more than you can say of pretty much anyone else.
They might not have had enough time to get into that but the space he made for the vegan standpoint to park into was way too huge.
In general, good debate and credit to the guy.
@@lookaround1846 It's reversed. "Hearing but not listening" is the term.
@@lookaround1846 And I don't know what he said for you to come to the conclusion he has no heart.
@@user-vv5ju3fj1p he's pretty clearly a nihilist. Something nobody likes
As someone who has been on and off vegan/vegetarian, finding Ed has been so helpful. He is levelheaded, he listens, and gives great rebuttals. It’s refreshing. Thank you.
The man in the white and orange jacket was so kind and respectful good for him
How sad is it that people are impressed that there is a civil discussion going on
It is sad in the sense it emphasizes how rare being civil is. It should be a given that debates are to be civil, but many times it doesn’t end up that way.
@Norm T which is what makes it sad. We stand on the shoulder of giants, great philosopher, world conquerors, and from that we're "refreshed", however you want to put it, that a civil discourse is in play today. THAT is extremely sad. What we may have advanced in technology, we still lack on our foundations. That is fucking terrible. We haven't come far. At all.
Immorality!!! animals don't fuckin use immorality when they kill, if they did, they would've shown it a long time ago.. and I don't mean animals raised by human intervention..😒
I think a lot of people are impressed by their intellect but I do get your point. I feel like a lot of conversations should and could be debates but most of the time they turn into arguments as people struggle to accept an opposing view or just struggle to agree to disagree. A lot of people want everyone to have the same views as them (including a lot of vegans) but as long as their views don't create immoral or unethical actions then try to change their mind but if they don't want to, agree to disagree.
Its because it's a rare sight.
A Wise man once said "The point of a debate is to find the truth not prove you are right".
Krishna Bharadwaj 🙏🏼
The man was wrong. Appealing to emotions is far better than appealing to logic if you want to see things change. It is what it is. Humans aren't robots.
Johannes Westman But we actually build them robots. Every aspect of a robot is embedded inside our skull and has to coexist with the other emotional part. A Human is both of those parts, and the logical part is the one that made this exact conversation able to happen. Or do you think computers, networks and microchips were invented by the logic of our emotions? don’t fool yourself, both parts are critical and are the ones that makes us whole
Whimah Whe
However u could put emotions above logic cuz emotions accept certain morals and customs.. logic just accept the truth and efficiency
As we all know the truth isnt always the solution.. and efficiency can be so immoral..
Watch psycho pass a good anime for robot/human situations
Bob Kundi Not quite. Logic is more like a framework. You need values (as x = 1) to make it work. You can use the truth, which I advise, but you could use your own values, such as a moral system ruled by emotions. The status of actual truth of such value is not related with the status of truth inside the logic framework, that’s why we can think, you are using the framework filling the values with whatever is convenient in order to create a simulation. You should learn programming, this becomes much clear if you know how to code :)
Thanks do much for being at the front line!!
Thanks for all you do for animals and for this screwed up world
He’s at the “front line” of his own sense of moral superiority. These animal “rights” activists act so superior.
@@jupiterinaries6150 uh, the ones who say “humans are superior to animals-therefore who cares if they suffer” seem to have the superiority complex 💀
@@jupiterinaries6150 Someone who stands up for the victimized IS superior to someone who disregards their suffering.
@@mountaingirl1753 nope vegans are not superior to meat eaters. They think they’re doing good in the world by standing up for dumb animals when in reality they’re feeding their own egos. Animals could care less whether they live or die. It’s pure instinct on their part.
lmfao destroyed him @@FloridaSprings12
Wonderfully calm and respectful discourse. Amazing to see.
Most vegans (including myself) have dealt with non-vegans arguing with you saying "oh but meat is so good" or "you don't get enough protein", but watching a non vegan calmly debate with a vegan and not just yell and be ignorant. This is very refreshing!
Right. And it’s been proven that centenarians have a significantly LOW protein diet, with high vegetable intake, and that is the secret to long term living. This has been scientifically proven. It seems that in the “western world” we are obsessed with protein. I’m not entirely sure why. But it’s absolutely killing the people slowly who believe this.
My fear is that I have seen a lot of vegans look sick looking , thats why I veer towards vegitatian or pescitarian way of living. Vegans you have to take a ton of supplements that seem to make it more work to be vegan as opposed to vegitatian
@@danacampbell2960 That’s a bit rude... don’t judge people on how they look.
I honestly have more respect when someone tells me that they just love meat too much
I have no respect for people to try to fling stereotypes at me
@@danacampbell2960 The only supplement vegans need is B-12. In reality, B-12 is hard to get at all.
The unhealthy vegan is the minority
The unhealthy omnivore is the majority
i was prepared for the worst, expected passive aggressive provoking and shit, but i got surprised
This isn’t Stephen Crowder
This isn’t change my mind
Why are you surprised? Outside of the internet, this is normal.
That happens when only one side is intelligent.
Can Somer i dont think intelligence is a factor to this calm discussion.. i mean u can have a ragy and aggressive conversation between 2 high intellectual people... ( i think intelligence is determined by the intellectual ability) however im convienced its not the intelligency that make calm conversations its more the personality and the will..
what defins being intelligent anyway.. 🤔
How refreshing to watch two adults having a mature discussion/debate with mutual respect. As it should be.
Huge respect for both of you, I feel that we do live in a civilized society, but unfortunately on those debates people end up being completely the opposite, so I'm really glad that we do have people who can have such a debate, I'm a fail human being and I'm leaning from this, both in a philosophical and human way. Thank you both again for this debate! 👏🏻👏🏻
Dude both of these guys are extremely educated! Congrats on having a civil discussion!
@D true the meat dude looks like he didn't sleep for 1 week and survives on energy drinks and chicken nuggets
민지김 I’m not saying the guy on the left looks healthy but if you think that vegan looks healthy you really are in denial. Look how PALE (and skinny) he looks.
@@semsm192 first of all I basically described a college student that was nothing against him lol and second of all people can be naturally skinny and being pale has very little to do with your diet
민지김 it has very MUCH to do with your diet. Don’t argue that becaus that simply is a fact.
And what a surprise. ONE OF the manor causes of paleness is a folate and b-12 deficiency😂
It sucks that discussions like this aren't the norm on disagreeing issues.
I think that it is because although both people have a strong belief in their argument, neither are so arrogant that they are unwilling to accept they maybe wrong.
For every screaming idiot there's a rational debate happening. Just because they dont get the clicks doesn't mean theyre in the minority
They are the norm if you just look hard enough.
@@MagnusBringsli I behave perfectly fine, but I can't say the same for plenty of others.
It takes 2 intelligent persons aware of how to discuss, which is rare
This is the most intelligent and respectful debate Ive ever seen. Amazing!
24:27 "The reason why people don't hurt other people, is because you have a system of laws in place"
Frightening view. The reason why I don't hurt people is because it's cruel and wicked and against my own morals.
This guy is a grim figure all round.
@Azur e only you would as that though is in your head, doesnt enter mine. How on earth can you pass judgement on a total stranger? Shocking.
@Azur e you mean you are. I never mentioned killing. You've got an obsession. Put the computer down and go get your medication.
I don't hurt other people because I feel compassion and empathy for them. So sad how many sick people are out there including the guy in the video. You can even see how sick he looks. I wish him the best. Poor guy, probbably has an empathy defecit or something like that.
You say hurting another human being is "cruel and wicked and against your own morals" and yet your words are so hurtful.
@@amazingly_bookish I suggest you visit a slaughterhouse, then you will see what really is cruel and hurtful. Besides which, you cannot see the DISGUSTING abuse hurled at me by this azure person, because they removed their comments.
That wrinkle in the table cloth has me feeling some type of way..
Uncomfortable?
I didn’t notice until I read your comment and now it’s got me fucked up lol
@@ciara9414 exactly this, now I feel sad >:(
Please smooth it out!
It makes me unsettled. I feel an impulse to fix it
I love how calmly this guy listens to and explains his thoughts on veganism, I am trying hard to learn how to do just that. Our world needs to learn how to listen and talk to each other without becoming angry
Meditate
He talked about how he did that in his Harvard video, really amazing I’m trying to as well!
I’m sure it helps a lot that this guy didn’t just show up to troll him with low brow or subjective comments. He’s articulate and calm. His points weren’t exactly accurate and honestly a pretty depressing, but he’s not throwing around comments like “hehe bacon good. me caveman”
It is a very rational, and calm debate. Rather enjoyable to see.
Maybe stop taking it so personal. And try to force others for your choice
Thank you for actually having a calm discussion about your viewpoints with people. It's nice to see people actually talking, instead of screaming in each other's faces.
(Not just talking about vegans there, for the record; People just -don't know how- refuse to calmly discuss "anything" if they have different views, anymore...)
This was surprisingly stimulating. I don't think I've seen this type of conversation go this well.
the fact that im surprised there was no yelling and angry fighting, is probably because im american.
@Jules Juerez This could also be the result of only seeing debates turn out ugly in media, not just their personal life
RosesILoveYou Yeah
UK and Australian parliament are way wilder than our congress though, always yelling and stuff
@Jules Juerez idk, I rarely get angry, and the second someone starts yelling in a debate with me I just end it there because theirs no reason to debate with them at that point, but I'm always surprised to see a debate with no yelling, especially on a topic as disagreed upon as this one
@@77l96 same bro we are the killer
I like how there both respectful and have facts and they aren’t getting triggered.
Edit: to all y’all pressed about me spelling a word wrong. My bad I didn’t realize this was a spelling class.
Where?
the yutber is triggered lol his opinions are based on emotions
partially because they didn't completely disagree with each other. If not giving up eating meat was the stance of one, and the other pushed to make meat illegal and scorning the other for being a meat eater, well, welcome to the real world scenario.
How do you use they aren’t correctly but not they’re 😅
@@habenwoldemelak4507
Explain
Ed, I am watching every one of your videos one at a time, they just get better with each one. You are a treasure to this world, keep fighting for animals, and the rest of us will back you up. People like you are going to change the world for animals.
And animals will continue not giving a fuck about you. You must think animals have a life purpose in their minds. Not even most of us have. Under controlled situations, animals are just energy for a greater good
Thank you for this rich debate. We need more discussions like this one, they promote understanding. It's good and very helpful to take into account the arguments of the ones who disagree with you.
More people need to be this calm when debating ,rather than just screaming at each other.
This is a civilised debate. Anything other is just acting as an animal, who screams louder or is more violent.
A debate by definition is a discussion (heated or not), so if someone is just screaming at someone and/or not listening, presenting counter arguments, than it is not a debate.
If someone starts screaming, I withdraw. Screaming just shows u r an unworthy opponent.
That's what the liberals do
@@NavyGuero83 wouldn’t you say this is better for a real conclusion or to come to a middle ground?
"If the universe is meaningless, so is the statement that it is so."
- Alan Watts
Love Alan Watts!
Interesting thought
Ok whats your point?
@@InfernoFlame99 I didn't say it, ask Alan
Psychopaths are always intelligent
Thank you for the work you do and the knowledge you impart not only to those you speak to, but to your fellow vegans. I learn a lot from you and you give me the confidence to continue on the cruelty free path.
Ed: You and me have the choice to be vegan
The other guy: im not
Ed: I presumed that, don’t worry
Love it 😂
Someone fix the table cloth
😅
Slatt @brennamaykersten
Slatt I see you 👀
Someone OCD
Wish I never read this...>_
Earthling Ed has the clearest mind I know of. It's like he doesn't even have to think before talking. He just comes with the right argument right away.
Experience
Nocolas Pirlet,
Check out Reid of the "Cordial Curiosity" UA-cam channel.
@Sam the Storyteller if he only did that he would post once every 6 months. But he did debate "professionals" in the past
then you need to go out and meet some new people
like politicians right? hahahaha
Impressive debate here, great conversation, intelligent and respectful. In the end empathy wins it for me. Loving the channel Ed!
omg this guy is a piece of work, "we are all resources" im glad u got from that interview alive.
Why do anything is we're all just resources?
@@AnthonyCook78 he is assuming
1 - that we know what we are (made of atoms or whatever he thinks he learn in a book or uni or school)
2 - science has told the public that we are made of inert matter and he is taking it very deeply as a hardcore fact. Therefore we are inert matter and theres no pourpouse to us more than fueling the system (like atoms would).
Now im not saying thats wrong, but that seems to be his justification for beliving this, wich is insuficient... scientists themselves dont know what we are (nor claim to know) nor the reality we live in, we are just assuming things as convenient to us for applications.
@@gutzimmumdo4910 It does not matter what we’re made of, because that’s not what’s being debated with that point. What it is, is the lessening of a moral imperative to do good and avoid harm because it “doesn’t matter”. Just like you laid out in point 2.
Like, personally I believe that we are literally “just atoms” (obviously the deeper we look the more complexity we see), but that doesn’t mean things don’t matter. Whatever “I” or “me” actually is, I can perceive the world around me and I can suffer. I assume both of those facts for all other people and animals, since I can see it happening with my own eyes when humans and animals interact with the world and express suffering from pain stimuli and events (or I can have information about those concepts communicated to me by others), and then I can make reasonable assumptions by correlating these experiences together.
But already with just those two facts of experience and suffering, which the guy in the video would agree with, you can argue towards axioms such as suffering being bad, which would then lead to a moral imperative such as minimising suffering.
Somebody telling truth at it really is...and most of us trying to act like they don't understand ..just for....???
He keeps saying that the UK for example is not ready to go entirely vegan, that it will take about 50 years to adapt their economy and their agriculture to it. For me, that sounds like a great reason to go vegan, because the choices people make are what motivates change. If everyone in the world went vegan today that wouldn’t work. But that is not going to happen. You don’t need to slow down the change by not going vegan, going vegan is what motivates the change.
Agreed. So many jobs can be created by going vegan. People argued that ending slavery would financially cripple the south. However, other industries took over and they were fine. That was with a sudden abolition of a HUGE part of the American economy. In the case of slavery it wasn’t obvious how they were going to move forward, but there are so many possible vegan jobs to be created with a higher demand.
Yeah I will never go vegan, pigs and cows taste nice
breathing Snow would you consider reducing some of your meat even if it’s just for health benefits? What if you just cut out pork and leave everything else? Or try have a vegetarian/vegan dinner once a week? Or perhaps buy a vegan protein bar and have it as part of your lunch? What if you like two types of crisps, you could buy the ones that don’t contain milk? Perhaps choosing the vegetarian pizza? These little choices add up
You don’t have to go strictly vegan but you can reduce your meat consumption which will reduce the amount of suffering if animals. perhaps one less pig will scream in terror as a farmer chops off it’s tail🤷🏼♀️. you will be helping the environment far more than using paper straws and there will be health benefits on top of all that
Would you consider it?
@@putinsgaytwin4272 it's a shame you don't hear people say this much I think you have much more chance of making a positive impact by showing people the benefits of cutting down opposed to outright just asking people to give it up completely...
@@putinsgaytwin4272 Some omnivores might reduce to help the environment, or some for health. If they don't care about animals, they won't care about how many they are responsible for killing.
Americans watching this like: Is that what they call a functional education system?
Pretty much
kiloisnear bruv it’s not tea and crumpets when you go east London , at least in a week a person is killed from knifes from gangs so don’t t listen to your friends
@@danielaziz5611 mong
If I were american I wouldn't be impressed by the British education system... If I were like, rural african I would be
@@christianjamesmiller8388 The only places in Africa that have proper infrastructure and are able to have a worthwhile school system are the ones that the British Empire/United Kingdom had a hand in before leaving.
They are both incredibly well spoken and i enjoyed this very much.
Absolutely incredible content. So well spoken on both sides
I like how the non-vegan's points were based on economy and jobs and not how good the meat tastes.
He referenced taste quite a few times
@@AdelineCowgirl Well it is a factor
He also said morality is subjective so…
Agree
'The meals got quite boring after a while' basically a mention of taste
I was prepared for the worst but got positively surprised.
The Meat Eater just admitted that the legal system is the only thing holding him back from harming humans. It's funny how people are so quick to discard any information that conflicts with their sense of the world. "I'm a meat eater and I'm not ashamed, so therefore everything that this fellow meat eater said is morally correct. Because he represents and reminds me of myself." - Stefanie Dai
@@SplitGoose this is relevant to the original comment... yes
@@websters8665 "positively surprised" Yes, it is relevant. You however are not.
@@SplitGoose ;(
SplitGoose No he didn’t, you completely misunderstood what he was trying to say and twisted his words. You’re not clever.
What a lovely debate. I appreciate how you both were respectful gentlemen.
Very nice talk. Both of you are intelligent and polite. You also don't get angry for disagreeing with each other. Wonderful, usually this kind of debates get very heated. Especially about controversial topics.
Liked it, keep going mate.
I’m watching this from the States. You guys are having a genuine intellectual debate, while over here every conversation about veganism vs meat-eaters is like Erin and Joe Exotic having a boxing match.
Sarah Edwards Yh that’s not vegan
@@gdhsk5749 lol
Sarah Edwards literally 😭😭😭😭
It's not just America. In the UK people would be doing the exact same thing if they weren't too scared to offend people. So I can imagine the less friendly people who I don't see often will be just like you described. And on the internet you usually don't talk to people you don't know, so if you go onto anyone's social media, you're guaranteed to find an arguement.
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I guess you could justify doing pretty much anything if your attitude is "none of this matters in trillion years"
Not if u know ur daughters daughters daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter daughter is adorable and still alive 😁
Bob Kundi nah bro earth won’t be here in a trillion years
@@seercreators716 lol
@@bobkundi8858 or, to quote Busted : "your great great great granddaughter... she's pretty fine"
Pretty sure, I don't agree with that argument.
But maybe I could agree with "If there had not been a problem until now, surely won't be a problem in trillion years".
Huge respect to the guy who came onto the show with Ed! He doesn’t deserve any hateful comments he was very respectful and vice versa, I imagine most of us would have more in common with him than not.
“The reason people do t harm animals is because there out of reach” WTF 😳
This debate should be brought as an example in schools
Leaders in power just laugh at the vegan concept. Just google Theresa May vegan. She slammed a vegan advocate a few years back.
This is better than a debate. It’s two people having a respectful conversation on how to go about the future.
That's what a debate should ideally look like.
A debate is about what’s right not who’s right
I would even say we need more discussions, conversations are random where discussion are used to share about a subject. We need to think things more deeply.
@Lau taro plants are 'important' for the ecosystem of the planet. They're not 'unimportant'
what do you mean anyways, since importance is such a shallow word
something can only be important TO someone or something so it has to describe a relationship
(but you only name one partner)
@Jan Sitkowski lmao
The meat eater seems like he doesn't find much joy in life...or is that just my American positivity and optimism?
I could never have such an educated conversation
"I can get behind the value of life..."
"Humans and non-human animals are resources..."
This bloke makes me nervous...
And, he was honest enough to say it out loud, the most dangerous ones pretend the opposite in public (e.g. politicians) but deep inside they think and act with that in mind!
Aidan BUTLER capitalism 🤝 dehumanising humans
Good one
Do you work? Congratulations, you're a resource
he must be a pro capitalism colonialism
must be a pro global capitalism colonialism
People who blindy follow societys laws without questioning it are the most dangerous type of people
Lounnah I completely agree with your statement.
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@@FABIOof119 you talk a lot about science but link to none... Cite your sources if you want to talk science. Name the dozen nutrients you can't get in plants. Show studies that support your claims about fiber ruining the gut... I'll wait.
@@FABIOof119 a vegan diet prevents and reverses heart disease, obesity, cancers, arthritis, osteoporosis and prevents diabetes. and im not just making that up that is science! also animal products have acidic protein which leeches calcium from your bones!
the china study is the biggest study of human nutrition in the world and it says a vegan diet is the best diet for all stages of life including infancy, pregnancy, and old age. a vegan diet is also the ONLY diet proven to reverse heart disease. if were meant to eat meat why does a very diet REVERSE the diseases meat causes?
also that person is talking about how people just follow society even if society isnt ethical. for instance the same people who owned human slaves - still exist. and they dont own slaves now simply because everyone else doesn't. its not toxic to stand up for animals being raped tortured and killed. its toxic to pay for that to happen just because its legal. would you also try rape women if it were legal? its so simple. ❤
@@FABIOof119 lol! ok fat neckbeard i haven't eaten meat for 3 years and have no milk cheese or eggs (vegan) for 1. guess what! i have abs, im ripped af, definitely stronger than you! i can do human flag, gaining muscle, and youre just probably a fat f***ing neckbeard lmao. niiiiiiiice
Honestly the best conversation I've seen yet. Ben had some arguments I had not yet heard up to this point.
WOW! This debate is so refreshing, so civilized and mutually respectful, itgive me faith and hope for humankind!
This guy could ve just said YOLO. It would ve saved me 27 minutes. GOD DAMNnnn
LOL.
LOL seriously
still, rather support ed through the ads
i hate ads more than my love of Ed.
mmmmmm let that sink in
🤣🤣🤣🤣
After this... American viewers are going to be disappointed with the quality exhibited in their presidential debates.
Before this, after this, if this never existed, i would be always disappointed with our presidential "debates"
This is exactly what happened in the comment section
That’s the secret, Cap...we’re always disappointed
are we forgetting parlament?
After this?
You mean before this?
Idk I've always thought the elections were stupid.
this was a great conversation!
very good debate on both sides and very respectful. love it.
-"This conversation was stimulating"
That has to be one of the nicest debate in the century
Yeah surely the hardest ive seen ed had to work
This is probably the best one I've ever seen 😂 both were intelligent and respectful, It's really refreshing to listen to.
yes, two good guys.
This is like a discussion between two equally intelligent but completely morally opposite people who are also civil about it. I am here for this.
Well you made me see it now.
Meat still wins ma heart :D
Good conversation. Respectful and informative. Well done on both sides.
People with this kind of cold world view cannot get behind the very valid moral arguments made my Ed. Honestly the core belief is unchangeable and any global arguments won’t work because it doesnt actually concern them. This is hard for us vegans to imagine since many of us feel pain knowing how animals are treated. Would be very interested in seeing Ed spread more knowledge on the medical perspective because that would have a better chance of concerning them directly.
people who say meals get boring just dont know how to cook lol
MrAchsas agree! You’re only swapping out one part 😂
seriously.. I've made tastier and healthier meals since taking out animal products and thinking of new alternatives to meals I already love.
theres so many vegan options too theres 80000 plants and only 5 animals that people eat (yuck) and eggs (tortured chickens periods) and cheese (extra yuck)
I agree. I'm not vegan, but I've eaten plenty of delicious plant based meals.
@@user-cq9pd4md8v yea same before i went vegan i always went for quick meals to cook now i actually use my brain xD and do proper meals
Finally an actual DEBATE. Not something where it morphs into personal attacking and things that should be involved in a debate.
Yes, I'm so happy to see this. It's refreshing.
@Sachin how would it be a debate if you agreed with both sides?
The best discussion i’ve ever witnessed…gotta learn alot :)
Ed...continue these debates. You're making a world of a difference. You've changed my life and inspired many others to do so. ❤🌱💪🏻
Same!
and start debating people with a brain
@@connannbarbarin3033 Needle in a haystack 😆
Please
Too bad his rhetoric changed your mind.
Hearing the exchange: "Can I make a point?" "Yes, please you can, of course." was a minor one but arrestingly beautiful, none the less.
“Arrestingly beautiful” that phrasing is so nice
I really like seeing two people debating civilly ❤️ vegans can start the conversation and the thought process he will go away and think about this conversation, I love being vegan , but at one point I didn’t think I could be , so I have hope for the future x
This is one of the best debates, so intelligent on both sides
Sitting here in America's mental health crisis watching this intelligent, civil and healthy debate is surreal.
That's why Earthling Ed is named Earthling Ed sometimes he travels to other planets to discuss veganism. The meat eater is too civil to be from Earth so obviously this is one of Ed's travel vids. It think this one is in Venus
That is because public education is poor in the states.
@@ThoughtProvokingVlogs They have British accents on Venus? Fascinating!
There is a mental health crisis in the United Kingdom too, believe me. I went to this University and there’s a lot of issues on campus regarding mental health. Mental health has nothing to do with having an intelligent & civil conversation.
Just because someone is struggling with mental health doesn’t mean they can’t be civil, or intelligent.
I don’t care about veganism and I never had. But I sat and listened to this entire debate and enjoyed it. I didn’t take any points in because I’m high.. but it was a great debate lads.
that's the spirit
If this doesn't represent the overall population I don't know what does 😂
😂😂
Relatable
i was sipping my coffee whilst simultaneously reading this, and it did not go well
I will say to the "meals got boring" point: that's all on your cooking skills. Look up veggie recipes and experiment! So many meat eaters eat the same boring meals over and over and don't have much variation in their cooking skills.
Agreed, I am a new vegan and I'm eating much more variety now, and am feeling so much healthier. Happier too then no animal suffered for it.
Diff is the meat tastes good and not like crap !
I mean it's not hard to look up meat recipes and experiment either. Both meat eaters and vegans can eat the same boring meals over and over.
My friend, how many people can afford to experiment on a vegan diet when the majority of people wake up at 5, wash their teeth and go to work, work= stress, come back at 16, 17:00.There is no time for vegan bullshit for this life.A vegan diet is good for people who do almost no pshysical work, or sit at home and do almost nothing all day but cook and eat every 2 hours.This diet especially for men is feminizing, look at the majority of vegan males with their feminized voices.
@@PieInTheSky9 Yes, but that's not my point. My point is that if you switch to veganism and the reason you quit is because the meals get boring, that's on you. You are the one making those meals. And that many people don't realize how boring their meal routine is until they cut out meat and realize they weren't making very many variations. But when you go vegan or vegetarian, you are essentially forced to learn to use new ingredients and methods of cooking.
Enjoy life :) nice one guys, you held that debate with dignity, clarity and respect - thanks for sharing
The "We're all floating atoms" argument is dumb. If someone cut off his limbs and as he was writhing in pain came up to him and said "Don't worry mate, we're all just floating atoms," I don't think he'd appreciate it very much.
lol exactly
If you like using science like most of these debaters you can't be more scientific than that we are nothing else but floating atoms moving through space and time and the only reason why we are even talking about this is because unlike all other organisms we were fortunate enough to evolve into an intelligent being. None of this will matter millions of years from now because what is certain is every species will eventually face extinction no matter what and all these ideas about morals and everything humans have will die together with the last of its kind.
First of all the animal has a quick death before slaughter
@@Ik3Devious Sure. Whatever helps you sleep at night.
@@Ik3Devious sometimes. don't think those stun guns always work before the throats get slit.
This is one of the most calm and respectful conversations I have ever seen.
His justification: "I don't give a fuck, really"
Atleast he’s being honest. Not like other meat eaters who talk about economic, land or protein to justify it.😩
It's scary how eloquence doesn't always go with logic and ethics. People following law only from fear of punishment are scary.
THIS ⬆️💔
He was logical.
He was the most logical person that i have seen Ed debate. Usually people claim that Ed "got them or beat them". This guy couldn't be persuaded and Ed didn't have a clear vegan solution for some of the claims that he made.
Exactly, I think there is a psychopath hiden there💀😨
@@FS-ms2md
He was logical, but some arguments were based on assumptions that at least I would not necessarily agree with.
This whole "people only do not do certain things because otherwise they would be punished"-thing for example.
this guys is a lot smarter than most of the people who come on the show
Finally a debate that doesn’t leave me braindead after 5 minutes. This was very interesting to watch!
Had me braindead after 10 minutes though
A debate that makes you braindead after 15 minutes
I'm very intelligent I'm questioning? Or have mental retardation.
Lovely debate my man, its one of the first times I've seen one that both partys were so calm and respectfull
Beautiful debate. Polite, respectful and intelligent. Just beautiful.
I had that kind of total apathy half a year before going vegan. In retrospect it was because I was afraid world is such a dump and nothing can be done about it. Veganism gave me hope. I hope this guy will find the spark too.
And these kind of comments give me hope
Awesome dude!
Well said man. That spark you talk about is a fascinating thing. When the light comes on it's like such a night and day difference. No pun intended.
At the end you could clearly see he was depressed and he was grateful to Ed for talking to him. He doesn't realize his current diet and attitude towards animals only makes him sadder.
Thank you for being open-minded, Grzegorz!! ☺️☺️
What traditional media would look like if we stopped giving microphones to dopes.
I agree but would you watch it? Surely a crackhead saying Religions all bad and the worlds corrupt is more entertaining, pull more viewers and thus money rather than these two here. Not defending it, but something to note
Well "we" aren't giving anyone the mic, they somehow just always end up talking bs and getting applause 😂
@@user-eh1gc7xo7q hello
Finally someone who can have a reasoned intelligent discussion with dear Ed. Then again thete are some brilliant serial killers.
I thought mystery man represented himself really well until he confessed himself a moral nihilist around 20:30.
What is wrong with nihilism? Do you simply not wish to think about anything negatively? You would be denying many harsh realities of this world we live in. It isn't like being nihilistic makes you a psychopath.
@@elofkjellson3906 To say nothing matters because it won't matter at some point in the future is to be completely obsessed with the future and having impact on it. That need itself is irrational and super ego heavy. Meaning doesn't need to be dependent on "later". To me, many nihilists seem to take something obvious, like the eventual death of Earth, and then use it as an excuse to be apathetic (proven link with depression). I don't remember this video super well, but I think it may have been a last ditch effort appealing to futility. As if to say "This doesn't matter much anyways, so I'll eat what I want". Some forms of nihilism are factually true...don't want to get to caught up in that. Experience in each present moment matters, and need not be tied down to influence over anything in the future.