The EU Parliament's New “Patriots for Europe” Group Explained
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
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Over the weekend, Viktor Orban announced a new far-right European Parliament party - 'Patriots for Europe'. So, in this video, we take a look at what the party represents, the alliance, and which other parties could join them in the coming days.
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00:00 Introduction
01:09 Founding Members
05:12 What Do They Want?
05:51 Who Might Join?
07:51 Too Long
Small error: Pellegrini’s party is not SMER, but HLAS. Smer was his party, until he left and formed a new one. Hlas is now the junior partner in Smer’s Fico’s government.
They're basically the same thing in the end, anyway.
Different parties
Same lies and ideology
It was never his party in the sense that he was never the leader. If i am not mistaken SMER had only one leader and that is Fico.
@@rudolfnosek1748 During the 2020 election, Pellegrini was the new leader of the party - they advertised it as "the new wind in the party", while Fico was still technically a chairman. Pellegrini then wanted to become the new chairman, but Fico disagreed. That's why Pellegrini made his own party accompanied with most of the highest ranked party members. Now SMER is slowly consuming their party which shows on the polls, too.
@@rezolutionist7715 dude in what way was he the leader if Fico was the chairman ? Pelegriny was the face of the party because Fico was controversial and Pelegriny was their candidate for PM but in no way he was ever the leader of SMER.
So many mistakes with this video:
- Pellegrini is from HLAS not Smer
- Kickl is the leader of FPO not ANO
- FPO left ID and ANO left Renew, not the other way round
- Chega left ID not ECR
Pellegrini comes from SMER 2.0. That's all Hlas is.
@majaolexova7378 what's your point? They are still separate parties so the video is incorrect
@@majaolexova7378 it is still a big mistake
@@marskavols1073 i mean define big. If its basically the same party it doesnt really change much. Still an unproffesional mistake but you know... Doesnt make THAT muchof a difference on the whole news story
@@vegemarkr4582 First of all there are no members that cooperate with the Italian Mafia which is significant difference and you can find a lot more
They were so many mistakes in this video
Must be the tight deadlines after their election coverage
I‘m always sceptical about the value of the news if the speaker mispronounces so many names. Makes me question how good the research is.
There were...
Well, when you cover the mistakes that are in the europarliament, it's only fitting.
they dont care.
You mispronounced fidesz- it’s “fides” while s alone in Hungarian sounds like sh
Yeah, he read it like the Polish sz combination, which is indeed [ ʃ ]
@@marcelljozsa6618 exactly
They have been told several times already, I doubt they will ever pronounce it correctly.
You’re absolutely right.
The S sound at the end of Fidesz is the same as the s at the beginning of subversive, saboteur or seditionary...
"Patriots for Europe" sounds like the name of a European wide American football team
Not allowed we already have the Pats
I figured whoever came up with the name played a metal gear game at some point.
TLDR putting so many errors into their videos like they just couldn't care less about EU politics :D
The Danish party, Dansk Folkeparti, has joined the group as well.
I think that’s seven, then. Other commenters say Vox (Spain) and PVV (Netherlands) plan to join.
I don't understand why would Le Pen ditch her own fraction to join another group. She would still have the majority of seats, so it nothing would change. It makes sense for her to take Polish Confederation and some other smaller parties, so Orban's group doesn't have enough countries in it.
Cause maybe she wants the right-wing groups to become more united, like a lot of people do
Because that party will take over and she can be apart of it. Her message will get out on a bigger platform. Win win.
Because RN will have a high position in the group no matter in which one they are. They have 30 MEPs after all.
I think an important element for Le Pen is that she doesn't care too much about European politics.
The main prize for her are the French presidency and parliament for which she needs a majority of French voters in the second round... Which can only happen if she has a respectable image.
She's been working for a while on distancing herself from the History of her party (with some neonazis and extreme stuff).
She has to be super cautious with her alliances because of that, if her alliance gets one big scandal it could scare tons of voters in France who currently don't consider her to be an extremist or a racist.
Le Pen and Salvini biggest mistake was kicking AfD out on the basis of bogus accusations made up by an Italian left wing newspaper. They will need to live with the consequences of a diminished influence at the European level and sleep in the bed they created.
Vox (Spain) and PVV (Netherlands) also joined, so just one party needed
VVD?!
@@boris2307 sorry, i mean PVV
@@breaderikthegreat3224 don‘t bother the video is also full of errors
How things change :) There used to be Austro-Hungarian and now it'll go towards Hungaro-Austrian empire :)
A new empire (Austro-Hungarian or even Russian) will remain a myth as long as there are warmongers on all sides. It can be observed that all warmongering parties in all European countries are losing significantly. Don't think that this has anything to do with whether you are left or right.
@@WALTERNIEDERMAYER I meant it as a joke since they have the feeling that they need to create yet another party lead by Hungarians and followed by Austrians :)
But I doubt that warmongering is the thing that's splitting things... As far as I can tell it's just that people are not bright enough to see real problems and too contempt to do something about them so they are happily lead by others to bark up the wrong trees as that seems to make them feel better.
Kaiser and his boys are back
Soha tõbbé HABSBURGOK! Csak ártottak a magyaroknak.
Az osztrákok azonnal adják vissza Magyarországnak a jogtalanul elvett területet Őrvidéket / Burgenlandot!
@@GwyyshsbakIzjsbsbszjzjzjhh the emperor-king hell yeah
what if we reestablished the monarchy, made orbán king and had the austrian parliament make all the important decisions? that would be really nice (my country is going to shit and the bar isn't very high)
How many videos about Hungary will it take till you figure out that the hungarian 'sz' corresponds to the regular english 's' like in 'soft'
Vox from Spain said that he is joining Orban's party
Chega came from ID not ECR
6:33 WRONG! Pellegrini is NOT a member of SMER (since 2020), most recently he was a member of HLAS
6:46 also WRONG! Chega was a member of ID, not ECR
6:58 also just WRONG
To be faurm HLAS is basicly just puppet party for SMER. With serves to gather votes of people that whould not support SMER due to varius reasons like corruption, extreme russophilia, and more
TLDR focuses on quantity, not quality.
@@thedutchfoxxx they apologised last year for not focusing on quality, guess its slipped recently
what's wrong about 6:58 ?
@@darkless60 bro, the script is written by an American, what the hell do you expect from tehm
@TLDRnewsEU .. It's FIDES, NOT "FIDESH"! No, the Hungarian SZ is not the Polish SZ.
No one cares bruh. This is an anglophone channel
@@table_saltactually a lot of people care! Just read the comments!
Being anglophone doesn't mean you have to be ignorant.
@@tomblade I'd ignore this guy. He's written cringy right wing troll comments across this channel.
theres a small error at 6:59, where you cofused Herbert Kickl (leader of the FPÖ) with the leader of the ANO and their respective european parliament grouping :,)
The thing with chega is that unlike these parties in the patriot group and in their previous group (ID), chega is pro-ukraine, and generally pro-nato / atlanticism (only soft eurosceptic). if they join órban's group they will be a lot of internal pressure in portugal for them to explain why sit side by side with putin's friends. Remember that the pro-ukraine position is very popular in Portugal, it has been actually a pretty hard topic for the portuguese communist party (PCP) which is against support for ukraine, and have a pro-russia stance (they say they are in favor of peace, but everybody knows it would be a peace in putin's terms)
Orban can only speak for himself but in Eastern Europe, Poland, Romania, Baltic nations and Finland do support Ukraine. that is a fact. and Eastern Europe is a conservative region of Europe.
also this so called "friendship" of Orban with Putin is exaggerated nonsense.
Putin's greatest friend before this war in Ukraine was Germany.
Germany made Russia and Putin rich because Germany is the manufacturing industry of Europe and needed Russian energy for all those cars.
Hungary is a nobody for Russia.
and Hungary isn't stupid either to give up on the rest of Europe just to have Russia.
Russian economy is smaller than even the US state of Texas. or Canada and Australia.
@@LevisH21 Your take on Orban, Hungary and Russia presupposes that Orban would put the interests of his country first. Ultra-nationalists rarely do that.
@TLDRnewsEU Chega came from ID not ECR;
There's also the proposed "The Sovereignists" group, supposedly to be headed by Germany's AfD and Bulgaria's Vazrazhdane/Revival. Several small far-right parties were supposedly also interested. Given the fact that Patriots for Europe already would have enough MEPs in terms of absolute numbers, it wouldn't be unreasonable for them to try and get far-right politicians who are their party's sole representative (e.g. the one NIKI/NIKH delegate from Greece) to join them instead of The Sovereignists or Identity or Democracy.
Plus ID indeed is in a weird position right now: with the FPÖ and Chega interested in leaving, it could fall below the seven member country threshold. Of the ten ID parties that got seats in the European Parliament this election, two were removed (AfD& Revival) and two want to leave and are treating themselves as Non-Inscrits (Chega & FPÖ), while a fifth might leave (Lega).
There's a clear splintering and shifting happening on the European far-right. Personally I hope that they don't manage to reorganize themselves, but it's quite likely that the far-right will manage to form two or three working EU Parliament groups.
Personally I could see ID splitting itself between the ECR and Patriots for Europe: the Danish People's Party (DF), the Party for Freedom (PVV), and National Rally (RN) could reasonably switch to the ECR. The DF was part of that group before and the PVV and RN would probably fit in there, too, due to the dominance of Meloni's Brothers of Italy (FdI). Lega and Vlaams Belang might join the Patriots for Europe. None of the parties currently in ID seem like they'd wanna join The Sovereignists. The AfD baggage is too much.
Oh and yes, I also concur with the HLAS/SMER comments. Pelligrini's HLAS might make an attempt to rejoin S&D, but SMER is an open question. I know that the idea to form a group with the Bündnis Sarah Wagenknecht (BSW) failed, but we'll see what those two parties and honestly also HLAS will do in the coming one-and-a-half weeks.
Update: Vox has joined
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6:58 I think you have put the FPÖ on Renew and Babiš on ID here, when it should have been the other way round. 😅😅😅
Yeah they make so many mistakes😂
Hold up where? I don't see how the colors means anything, they just assigned them as random
As a Hungarian, I must correct the pronunciation of FIDESZ... it's not FIDESH as you pronounced, but FIDESZ /s/. The last sound is a double-letter SZ, which is to be pronounced like the "s" sound in the English word "soldier". Other than that, it was a good summary. :)
As a Hungarian, he does not need a group. Its goal is to gain powerful allies in Europe who can lead governments and help him. Having enough parties to form a group is the extra.
Trump will be a great push and ally to Orban, after he won in November. If Ursula finally gtfo, even bigger support.
ANO isn't an acronym; it's the word "Yes" in Czech, so spelling it as you do in the video is quite funny.
Původně to znamenalo "Akce nespokojených občanů", ale ačkoliv je jasné že to takhle pojmenovali jen aby z toho to ANO poskládali tak to stále nějaký význam má a pro lidi co nechápou význam slova to možná i dává větší smysl použít to jako akronym.
It begun as an acronym of "Akce nespokojených občanů"
In Spanish it's "arse".
@@joseparias8995 the spanish recognise an arse when they see one. that's why they have a better prime minister.
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Isn't Chega in the ID party, not the ECR?
CHEGA is ID, not ECR. That cought me off guard too.
chega is in the nazi party
Small correction on a very interesting video. The Portuguese Chega had joined ID, they were never in ECR.
Please stop calling it FIDESH, its not polish, the sz is pronounced as a normal S. (I still hate them though)
It's more accurate to call them "Traitors for Putin."
By this time, the Spanich Vox and tha Dutch PVV, with 6 MEPs each, has joined Orbán...
I think a better name of this group should be "Putin for Europe!"
Unfortunately, Orbán's party is pronounced "Fidess" and not "fidesh".
What?
It's pronounced fas-cist
@@badluck5647 You would pronounce patriotism as fascism too, no doubt.
@@Hardcore_Remixer Patriotism is supposed to be about creating a community with your fellow citizens. Facism prefers xenophobia, which focuses on hatred of the "others." The others" in Orban's case are gays, Muslims, and liberals.
@@Hardcore_Remixer Fidesz's patriotism is for Russia, so basically yes.
Austria-Hungary returns
The letter combination "sz" is NOT pronounced "sh" in Hungarian. "Sz" in Hungarian has the sound of "s". Also, Hungarian is a language that usually stresses the FIRST syllable of a word.
The internal reasoning of Orban why he did not join ID is because they also invited a Romanian far right party, that is very anti-Hungarian, and they don't want to be in the same alliance.
Well the ID is dead now
Chega in ECR? Big mistake
Could you make a video about the corruption cases that are emerging in Spain? I love your content and I think you could explain it very well.
Read Fides, not FideSH
Fidesz not pronounced as “fidesh” rather fides
They are 12 members now.
wait if the FPÖ left ID because it had a fall out with le pen over the afd nazi issue, why would le pen join its group now?
Fides is anti-EU... another party in the group, CHEGA from Portugal, is Pro-EU... I don't understand
yes, they are united in hating each other, we know..
Rushed
Fidesz isnt anti EU but anti EU establishment AND cuckoldry.
It's Fidesss not Fidesh!
It’s should be Fides with an S (in Hungarian sz is read S)
It is actually Fidesz, they are pronouncing it incorrectly
No, it's Fidesz.
In Hungarian "S" = "SH" in English
In Hungarian "SZ" = "S" in English.
That Elmo in thumbnail :D
Patriots for Europe ♥️♥️♥️
Spell the "sz" as the s in "snake" and you will have the pronounciation just right.
You know you can just look up pronunciations? "Chega" is "Sheh-ga" or (as a reasonable English approximation) "Shayga", not "Tchayga"
Some people do pronounce ch as tch tho...
Fidesz is pronounced with an ‘S’ at the end, and ANO is pronounced ‘ahno’ and not a.n.o.
Urban could claim Fidesz is center-right all he wants. It doesn't make it ture.
It is not an explanation, it is just a fkin lies.
As of now, Spain's Vox (ECR) and the Netherland's PVV (ID) have also announced they'll join the group, so Orbán only needs one party from another country. Also, ID is essentially disintegrating at this point and might as well merge with the Patriots as a whole.
Which election night stream does buying the higher tier of magazine give access to? France's? America's?
Pronouncing "Babiš" as "Babbish" is absolutely unhinged, and overwhelmingly British. Eugh.
The "ch" in Portuguese is pronounced like the "sh" in English or the "ch" in French.
Mate, it's not pronounced Fidesh but Fides with British typing. In polish Sz is Sh and S is S but in Hungarian it's the other way round, and sz is s and s is s.
This video could do with a major update by now.
When I watch these videos about Groups of European Parlaiment, I wonder what would change if my country(Turkey🇹🇷) joins EU because Turkey is a large country so political parties in Turkey would gain higher percentages of MEPs than other political parties in other EU members. So if political parties in Turkey agree with Groups in EU parlaiment, those Groups would hit an absolute JACKPOT. For example if Turkey's CHP joins the S&D Group which is really likely to happen if Turkey joins the EU in future, S&D would get a big boost. A similar thing would apply to AKP too. They have a huge voter capacity and it has the 6th highest amount of members as a political party in the world.
CHP would join s&d AKP would join ECR
@@user-zp9nf5qo8j I'am not sure about AKP but I'am sure about CHP because CHP already has ties with S&D Group
@@melonking9752 akp had ties with ecr until 2018
CHP is too chauvinistic party for S&P. It's closer to LePen's nationalistic rhetoric. And there is no chance that Turkey will ever join as long as there is VETO on the table. They have ABUSED their veto so many times and they think that veto is a tool for blackmail till thei get everything they demand.
EU is not an anatolian bazaar and if that country ever joins, then EU would be dissolved within 3 months of staling every progress.
I can't imagine Turkey in the EU even in my worst nightmares.
I genuinely suggest you guys hire some people from actual member states so that you dont have many mistakes regarding political affiliations and policies in your videos. Slight inaccuracies have always been there, but cmon, this video is a bit too much.
Looks like RN will join this group, bringing it to 84 MEPs
Hey TLDR. I noticed a mistake in this video: Chega was supposed to be part of the ID group, not ECR. They weren't in the European Parliament until this election, but they were set to become part of the ID group now.
Edit: ok I noticed several comments pointing out small mistakes. If I were you, I would delete the video and reupload it with all things corrected.
Why not asking the AFD to join?
The thing with European "patriotic" parties is that they are all right-wing (as if a left-wing party cannot love their country?!) and usually consist of people who want to get into power, stay in it, and create a cult of personality around them. They are all following the Asian model of right-wing "republics". Orban is just the current most prominent member of the group in EU at the moment. But you had similar situation in Montenegro until recently ("patriotic" leader who legally ruled for over 30 years), you have the same issue in Serbia ("patriot" in power for 13 years and counting, no indication of him leaving any time soon), in Bosnia as well as well as some other countries in Europe.
They get to power by proclaiming that they are true patriots, and then stay in power by dismantling any and all checks on their power (because they are "unpatriotic") to stay as long as possible and to get as much financial gain as possible.
And people are still falling for it, over and over again. Those leaders sell them some meta stories about world politics while they wallets are getting thinner and thinner - and if you say something about it, it is always the same response "How can you say that, we have bigger issues at hand that threaten our life as we know it! Look at these LGBT people, look at these western NGOs, look at these migrants (that don't want to stay in those countries anyway but go to Germany and Scandinavia region)"... all the while your country is getting poorer, your liberties melt away and those "patriots" get richer than emperors of old.
Basically, Putin-wanna-be leaders... which is why they are all on very good terms with the Euroasian Butcher in Kremlin.
mep that doesnt support eu should just leave their seat unoccupied
Quite surprising that parties that only fucuses on the national interest and personal interest of their leaders have troubles cooperating with each other in the European parliament.
No money for the crimminals makeing me right 👍
S for chist sake... Fidesz ends with a regular "s" not with "sh"
Fidesz with an s and not sh, comes from latin... So annoying you cannot get this right. Avoid using their name if you cannot pronounce it?
ANO doesn't seem sufficiently hard right enough? Or is it just me
They weren't until recently, when Babiš (ANO leader/owner) realized he has a lot to gain with right-wing rethorics. Ever since the presidential campaign in Czechia started, he has been leaning more and more towards the right.
Update: Spain's VOX party decided to leave the ECR to join the Patriots for Europe group.
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+1
Chega werent in the ECR they were in ID
Funny how it took less than a week for Orban to be right ;)
Parties that claim to respect and defend national sovereignty and Europe are actively opposed to the national sovereignty of Ukraine, a nation closer to Europe, with aspirations to be more integrated with Europe, than Russia, a former colony of the Mongolian empire.
1978
Angela Merkel is a university graduate. He is a member of the FDJ, the East German Communist Youth League.
Viktor Orbán attends the English language class at Teleki Blanka High School in Székesfehérvár. KISZ secretary of the high school foundation organization (Communist Youth Association)
What about the afd joining them? Isn’t that very likely to happen?
You're pronouncing Fidesz wrong! In Hungarian, 'sz' = 's' sound and 's' = 'sh' sound 😊
Is the very unimportant hungarian politician Orban still around? . He should just leave the EU and go back to Soviet union. We certainly do not want him
lets make a referendom who leave and who remain. first madam der Layen to bew voted by european citizens. let see
The "very unimportant hungarian politican Orban" is one of the most talked about politician since years.
Not a week can pass without some green-leftwing filth media writing about him.
@@pr0gn0sis65 Media talk about whoever causes problems.
You really need a script editor. You touch on major stories in a broadly accurate and informative manner, but you include many small errors. A pronunciation check is also advisable
In Magyar language, SZ sounds like S (the letter S sounds like Sh by the way)
So Fidesz is pronounced Fides.
well, Europeans don't speak Mongolian, so...
Spain's Vox announced today that they'll be leaving ECR for this new group, so they only need representatives of two more countries to be able to form officially.
Technically they left voluntarily and not kicked out
What about the afd ?? Will it join too ?
No, they also make their own faction with the Bulgarian, Slovakian and Hungarian far right parties. They call their group the "Sovereigntists".
No they've already been rejected for being too extreme
@@faffaf2114 i hope
@@user-gd2rg8xg2y Actually they have been kicked from ID and started forming their own group before Orban did.
@@Hardcore_Remixer I already knew that, and they recently applied to join patriots and were rejected by Orban for being too extreme. They also announced that they will not be forming their own group
Its sctually "russian lovers against europe"
The video doesn't really answer the question posed in the title...
I'm not surprised that HLAS wants to return to S&D, but the jury is still out on SMER since the PM is still recovering from being shot
They have enough MEPs, they can just get 3 more fringe party MEPs from 3 countries, shouldn't be too difficult
Exactly, it's weird how the video focuses on these big parties when this group can just recruit smaller parties to fulfill the requirements (SOS Romania, Greek Solution, Slovak National Party, Bulgarian IMRO etc.)
the fpö also actually although not openly thinks austria should join germany/ is german
It is hard to describe ANO's program, because it doesn't really have any. It started like a liberal (socialy-left) and economicly-center pro-European party with anti-corruption claims taking advantage of people's dissappiontment with established parties. It has succeded after its oligarchic leader Andrej Babiš bought the most influential media company in Czechia (that shoul be a red flag for any voter, but sadly isn't).
The party turned to be a club of loyal servants of economic interest of its billionaire leader whose governance consisted of buing poorer voters and pensionist by increasing public spending, especially pensions, and taking over state structures for Babiš's copanies to more effectively draw European funds and state subsidies as well as getting rid of copetition and preventing investigation of fraud. What pretended to be an anti-corruption platform turnet out to be a capture-state vehicle.
ANO's professional, expensive and effective campaign focuses exlusively on topics important for target audience (which has changed significantly from educated liberals to people from troubled regions and pensionists). During his time as the prime minister, Babiš was prosecuted for fraud and investigated by EU for abusing its funds. He started attacking EU and got into political isolation, which pused him closer to other pariahs like Orban.
The party has been shifting step by step to social-right, focusing on anti-immigration and "anti-war" sentiment without providing any real solutions. His current policy is social-right, economic-left, high-spending anti-establishment mix and his most effective strattegy is blaming others for all problems and attacking any critics, especially journalist, civic society and anti-corruption NGOs. He is a demonstration of how much you can achieve in politics with unlimited funds and no moral restraints.
Babiš has no real policy to push in EU apart from abusing more EU funds. His alliance with Orbán and related steps are solely made to appease domestic audience before Czech parliamentary elections. He doesn't want to leave EU because his companies are dependent on EU funds but he has started to campaign on anti-EU sentiment to gain more voters (this might actually be true for Orbán too).
This Babiš's attempt to establish a new EU group with Orban is an open shift to far-right and clear anti-democracy move, which is both consistent with its party's trajectory and terriffiyng, as it will probably lead to even more radicalisation of his voters and the Czech politics in general.
Both Ano and Smer are not abreviations but words - Yes, direction respectively. ;)
Update: 8 party has joined. (as 7th of July)
Why they saying “fidesh” 🤣. It’s pronounced “Fides”
VOX just joined
A bunch of parties have joined since this video lol they’ll have more than enough to qualify
But why should LePen join? If she would the other 4 couldve just stayed/joined the ID
I don't get it, these crazy people don't know that the Ukraine situation is same that WW2 with the invasion of parts of Czechoslovakia, Churchill already said it , “You were given the choice between war and dishonour. You chose dishonour and you will have war.” Russia is already made up his mind about war with EU, now is about much can we do about it
Please pronounce Fidesz as “fides”. It’s the right way and is much easier.
0:26 hahaha
Los de VOX esperaron a la publicación de este video para unirse a los Patriotas 😂
It is fair to say, this video didn't age too well. I was hoping your assessement was correct but clearly now this group is not only alive and well but the third largest in the EU parliament. 🤨 And LePen wasn't even needed... Time to try not to predict what populist can do in the EU. The EU has no vaccine against nationalist populism and Orban have recognised this weakness ages ago.