Stop Flinging Poo Over Politics
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- On this episode of Common Sense Soapbox, Bob mocks San Francisco influencers and the crap they have to deal with. Instead of falling prey to our own condescension, Seamus suggests we treat these as teachable policy moments.
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Written by Sean Malone, Lou Perez, and Seamus Coughlin
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Voiced by Seamus Coughlin and nosoup4knowles
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Produced & Edited by Sean W. Malone
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I converted 1 BLM guy, by showing him the actual crime stats.
He said, "This can't be true..." then did his own research.
A week later he was posting, "The news has been lying to us the entire time!"
Then he was posting memes.
But he was still able to critically think. He wasn't 100% indoctrinated.
That is a good man, so I am glad you saved him.
This was more common when you could post links in YT comments... and before many astute comments were 'hidden' by the algorithm.
LOL. I tried to post the actual link in a comment. It was deleted and I got a warning that youtube may delete my entire channel. This was TODAY! @@TexZenMaster
Hard to find them. I've found so many completely brainwashed people who just want their side to be right even if they deny or ignore facts. Seems like many have picked a side and there are not too many in the middle anymore.
Thank you for hope.
I'm 50/50 on this. The majority of the people I've seen on social media that complain about how bad it is are the same gaslighters who said it wouldn't happen, and activly worked to shame and harm anyone who said otherwise.
The hand is always extended, but the arm isn't infinite.
Great analogy. If they're willing to come over to you, you can give them a hand but if they keep walking away and flip you off, it isn't your duty to extend the arm further than what you can reach
Social media isn't the place for what he wants to happen. The person has no reason to listen to you over the mountain of other responses even if you were being kind and helpful. If you were their friend you could open a conversation and maybe convince them, but this kind of person long since anyone who would talk them off the ledge out of their lives. So the only function their public shaming serves is just that, from the left they make an example out of the person in the harshest way possible to enforce their cultish social order, the right instead shows the folly of a behavior in an 'I told you so' fashion and third parties who see both things can decide what lesson they want to learn from it. That's who is really reached on social media.
Basically you tell two people that touching a stove is bad. Both of them don't believe you and mock you, but one of them touches it first. In their agony they cry about it and you say 'I told you so' and someone else tells them they're just being a big baby and it's not that bad. The second person who had not yet touched the stove has now seen what it does, and gets to decided whether they trust you and their own eyes now or the group of people with casts and skingrafts. The person who initially touched it isn't really important anymore, their contribution to society is now an illustrative lesson on what not to do, and there's no point in try to help them because to do so probably takes more effort than you're able or willing to spend. They'll never admit they should have listened to you, their paradoxical pride and shame swelling to match how much they mocked you before. The only point at which their shame will be laid bare and able to be dealt with is when they are at rock bottom, broken and alone, and then maybe they can get over themselves, but not a second before.
Surely the scorpion won't sting me THIS TIME!
So?
I miss when politics wasn't people's entire life and personality
That would be the effeminate political order of the Left. If you are a moderate Left-winger it is still a thing to note: that the issue is from the Left; and that their own male effeminate-influenced minds become overly feminized with the introduction of female voters.
Women never should have voted *statistically speaking.
This is in contrast to the *politically masculine-minded women.
Remind me which party decided to force politics down everyones throats?
@@trikstari7687 all of them.
(After learning nothing from this video) Blame the Democrats! You voted for this!
@@dkstudioart both sides are bad, some are definitely worse than others but both sides as far as politicians go are terrible
I've been trying to get through to my lib family members for the past 10 years, using logic, reason, facts, evidence and emotion.
If i can't get my own family members to reconsider their support for the people ruining my city, how the ufck am i supposed to convince some rando on the Internet?
Exactly. They are religious zealots at this point. There is no changing their minds. For conversation to happen, both sides have to want to talk. They don't want to talk. That's what he doesn't get with this vid.
You can’t logic people out of positions they didn’t logic themselves into.
@@pretikewl76 Moderates do exist. Finding common ground to start with is always a good way to start a conversation as well.
@@Meloncholiacwe have they are right wing now because the left went so Fucking far that moderate lefties are extreme right
@Meloncholiac the person they're referencing in the video is not a "moderate." By no stretch of the imagination, with the introduction she herself gives us, can we assume she's moderate.
If a person is open to learning & changing perspective, show them compassion. If they choose willful ignorance, let them suffer those consequences.
Insults are not letting them suffer the consequences, ignoring them would do that.
Most arguments are disguising the mockery as other actions, that is a fallacy.
@@alfredosaint-jean9660 the consequence of being a dumbass online is being called a dumbass online. most of these people have no idea what they are talking about and won't be directly affected by it even if they end up achieving their goals. and what fallacy? mocking people while engaged in an argument isn't a fallacy.
@@davidlewis6728 Disguising the mockery as other actions, like for example "letting them suffer the consequences", is the fallacy, not the mockery.
At least you acknowledge that it is mocking them.
And this IS NOT about the consequence of being a dumbass online, is about the consequence of their political group's actions.
@@alfredosaint-jean9660 how is saying "let them suffer the consequences" a fallacy? for better or worse, they'll suffer the consequences of their own actions regardless, and i don't see any sort of error in reasoning from the statement itself.
@@davidlewis6728 My comment is right about yours, read it well.
Rule one of running a corrupt government: Divide and conquer.
Bob being a total savage 😂
Call out people when needed, but for good reasons. Be FIRM but FAIR
Only if they are willing to listen. This video was a dud for me as it ignores the problem that many of those who get called out, were those who pelted those that tried to warn them with negative titles, bad names, threats of ruining their lives, and of course, trying to gaslight people who voted against their favorite democrats.
And the biggest problem here? Most of those who got pelted with Poop by problematic people are those who would still vote blue no matter how many kind words or helpful advice you give them, and in many cases, you get verbally assaulted, or threatened for trying to help them, by the same person you try to help.
I say "Give advice and help to those who want it, don't just needlessly give it to the first sob storywriter, as chances are, they will throw your help back in your face".
@@Victor-056
Well said, we tried to warn people like this for 4 years when Trump was president and during the 2020 ellection lawsuit period.
Sadly most normies tend to have a "if it's not in my backyard..." mentality so they only see how much they fucked up after they really fucked up which is annoying to try and tolerate
@@Victor-056 that's B-brains for you "it's not about the nail".
@@Victor-056 "Don't cast pearls before swine" is a bible verse I see a lot of commenters seem to forget exists when they're trying to say it's biblical to bend over backwards to be nice to people who scorn you. If the person is incapable of listening then trying to tell them things is pointless.
Amen. To that I can agree to.
As someone over 40, we tried to reason with them a long time ago. It didn't work. It never works.
Well mockery apparently doesn’t work and the only other possible solution (Stalinist authoritarianism) isn’t great when you have any of the 99% incapable of having such power being at the head. It’s either civil discussion or genocidal chaos that we cannot back out from once it begins.
Exactly. When you've had the conversation 10,000 times and 100% of those conversations ended with the person continuing to advocated for and vote for exactly the same people and policies which created the problems they're complaining about, you realize that while what Seamus is advocating sounds nice and like the right course, in reality it's a complete waste of time and energy. These same toxic people will scream in your face about your political positions, call you every vile name they can think of, and continually drag you and all of society down with them, then get mugged by the reality of their choices over and over again, year after year, issue after issue, and never change their thinking or behavior one bit.
"We"? "Them"? There's the issue right there. If all you see on the other side of the political divide is an indifferentiable mass instead of individuals, you will never make any progress. "We" (however you define that) are never going to make "them" see the light...but we can reach out to _someone_, one at a time.
For example, I saw no daylight between being a Christian and being a Republican. But then I saw how evil Donald Trump is and how some of the people I had lionized had gone from being Christian to becoming Trump apologists. If I were given up on, or worse, if I were made fun of because he was part of "my" team, then I would have never come to the political stances I have now (I consider myself right of center); I'd be team Trump not because I agree with him, but because there be nowhere else where I'd even be close to welcome.
I'm only 35, but I share your sentiment. Redemption is a good thing, but it absolutely requires repentance. I see no evidence that the normie lefties who are beginning to suffer from their previous political advocacy are in any way sorry for their actions. They are not sorry, they are merely learning cause and effect.
If they show regret then I'll change my tune, but until then I will get as far away from them and their evil communities as I can and let them reap what they sow.
Yep, they've been calling us nazis for having any opinion on any matter they don't agree with.
The problem is, even when you do take the time to try to have an intelligent, rational, evidence-based conversation with people, the overwhelming majority just insult you because they are ideologically attached to their political, social and religious beliefs. You cannot use logic to get someone out of a position they didn't use logic to get into in the first place.
The critical point he misses with this video is for conversation to happen, BOTH sides have to want to talk. They don't want to have a conversation. They are basically religious zealots.
@@pretikewl76 If you're talking about the extremes, yes. Both extremes suck and for the same reason. They are effectively religions, weilding pitchforks for their favored faith. It's a lot of the people in the middle who aren't part of the political cults that can have these conversations, but they don't tend to be in charge because they don't appeal entirely to emotion.
@@BitchspotBlogEh found the redditor. Religion bad bro.
If people can convert religions you'd think this wouldn't be a problem. Muh boff extremes. Hey fun fact mate, you can be extremely dead set on a policy that is very centered and still be a massive issue.
@@pretikewl76It's definitely not easy to find people who want to convert. Even my sister is being groomed, to think life is an anime and she can be as strong as any man. But not EVERYBODY is hopeless. Heck we're doing our best with her. I think Sheamus just wants to remind the large population of people here not to shoot before identifying your target. There are people who can be helped, and they're more valuable than a middle goer or even a dead enemy ever will be.
@@jackbishop8610 He picked a bad example because the woman in the video he's essentially parodying is unrepentant and indignant that her choice policies have anything to do with it. There is no talking to such a person, just mock them and hopefully somebody else will look at them, laugh at the funny comment and piece together that unless they want to end up like her then they shouldn't do what she does.
As a monkey, I find it extremly offensive for you to tell me to stop my cultural heritage.
Go back to your jungle!
Ok fine but stop replaying planet of the apes at the movies 24/7
@@jare3459 Ok, ok, I have a selection of movies for you to choose: King Kong, Curious George, Congo, Space Chimps, Monkey King... And more!
@@Dabeyoun Curious George is a war criminal
@@Dabeyoun Congo followed by Monkey King please.
Had many a talks with people like that, like her. They can see and recognize an issue, but refuse to shift from their way of thinking. Saw it with my own relatives who I used to think really highly of. Saw it from people on social media, and even a friend of mine.
Logic and constructive conversations aren't things most of us forget exists, it's what THEY toss out the window each and every time, because emotions and feelings or some nonsense like that. Ridicule may be the best alternative.
Right! She doesn't even admit that SHE was wrong with her decision making. Just shocked Pikachu face with 💩 smeared all over it!
Has ridicule ever made you change your mind?
@@magnusprime962 No. But it can easily work on those with progressive and shallow ideas. They shame each other into changing positions all the time.
“Don’t cry, you voted for this” I like how it’s trying to reintroduce the middle to center
I used up my compassion when I tried warning these idiots of the consequences of their voting habits a thousand times before they made those choices. Sometimes I got called a mid 20th century German as a result.
I've got nothing but mockery, apathy, and a whole lot of 'I told you so' to give now.
This is why I gave up on the inner city black communities and moved away as well. These people do not learn until the problem is placed on their doorstep.
It's a religion, and they are zealots. You can't change the minds of people who would literally see you dead before talking to you.
We should just allocate black identarian & lib-left Americans their own territory and forcefully deport them from the mainland.
In 20 years time they'll have voted themselves into extinction.
@@pretikewl76 Yeah the Berkley riots were a great example of this. Especially the leftist teacher who clubbed a passive intervener with a bike lock just because he was in clubbing distance.
By all means move away, but do you expect anyone to join your cause when you demonstrate your side to be the one with no empathy, compassion or understanding. It sounds like you care more about being “intellectually right” than actually about affecting change. Cowardly
I do miss the old days when we could agree to disagree on topics as I never expected to reach an point where I am both Extreme right winger and leftist depending on the topic or both if I am stuck in the middle on an issue. Social media has to be one of the worse inventions in the history of the world.
This is the nature of living in a government system, especially one that values an individual’s beliefs, like democracy or a republic. Perhaps you might find Hoppeanism interesting.
Well I dont think social media is bad the people who took over have changed it to keep us fighting and divided
It's more about the media response to Trump than social media. Twitter and Facebook, as well as their predecessors, existed long before 2016. Yet issues that used to be common ground suddenly became highly polarized. Democrats would often talk about the issues caused by illegal immigration even if they'd never actually do anything to stop it. Hillary Clinton had comments about it as recently as 2015. But the moment Trump started campaigning with a promise to actually do something about it you had to be an alt-right neonazi to have a problem with illegal immigration.
the primary issue is that politics used to be people agreed about what was good, but not how to do it. they would argue and debate about how to reach that commonly understood good. but now politics is simply a matter of good or evil. either you believe X is morally good and everyone needs to accept it, or X is morally evil and everyone who believes it is a criminal who needs to be locked up
@@johnathanrichardson the left has become so authoritative
It's hard to have empathy for people who so smugly believe they're right until reality hits them in the face. It's like telling a grown adult over and over again that he shouldn't touch the hot stove. Instead of listening to you, the dummy calls you a racist, flips you off, touches the stove, and starts crying. Someone that stupid can only learn things the hard way, and they need someone to tell them "See? I told you this would happen."
These people don’t deserve empathy. They refuse to admit their mistakes and disregard those trying to help them. All they do is continue their cycle of insanity and act superior.
@@John-2989 WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE??
Usually while crying they blubber out "why did you do this to me?" These people aren't open to changing their views, they just look for new ways to blame their opposition. Look at New York. They get sent 13,000 illegal immigrants, a fraction of what enters Southern states every year, and all they do is blame Republicans for putting the burden on them.
It depends. Not everyone is set in their ways. And the average citizen is not. The extremists can be, but there are plenty of normal and conservative people in California. I often have to keep reminding myself that San Francisco is not the same thing as California. Sympathy for people like this consists of showing how things got there and how things can be fixed in addition to showing compassion. Only a small minority of people actually had a decent idea of what they were signing up for, while the rest just voted on what sounded nice. That minority are the people that don't deserve sympathy and most likely don't want it because they think its a small price to destroy cities for a few woke points.
@@joshsolders5543- voted on what sounded nice. And kept voting for it. And didn't connect the dots as things grew steadily worse, despite vast volumes of history, information, "influencers," neighbors, family members, and other avenues to see differently.
Hence - "You voted for it!"
The problem though is that they're always so willingly blind. "It doesn't matter the block's on fire, the protest is still peaceful because it's not my house that's on fire!" and stuff. It's impossible to reason with people like that, so when a teachable moment arrives, it has to be taken advantage of as loudly and clearly as possible so even they can understand.
yup. they are 3yo's and must be treated as such. I mean they drink starbucks daily. essentially ice cream for breakfast. they are failed adults.
We tried telling them cordially and they spit in our faces and called us racistsexistbigothomoohobes. Im with bob on this one
We're in the popcorn phase.
We told them, they didn't care, now we eat popcorn and watch them suffer the consequences of their ideas.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz I prefer mine with extra butter.
@@real_exodus ive been snacking on hot cheese popcorn at work. Didnt think I'd like it so much but I may as well have bought a case for how many bags ive eaten so far.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz Good analogy. I will sit in the balcony to get as far away as possible.
@@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballzCalifornian speaking here, I’m in that phase, just that I’m in the middle of the fire lmao.
When I was in college, I took a fascinating class called "Politics of Mass Psychology" that went over the way that politics intersect with how people think. The most fascinating part of it was that research found that the political affiliation that people hold is similar, if not identical, to religious affiliation. This means that your political identity tends to have a position higher than your actual ideology.
In practical terms, this means that if the political party you align with changes its ideology in a way that you dislike, you are far more likely to change your ideology to match your party than you are to change your party to match your ideology. My favorite experiment that was done with this (and forgive me, I took this course 15 years ago and can't remember the citations, so feel free not to believe me) was where they took a group of respondents to a survey and asked them what party they affiliate with. They then gave them a set of random policy positions and assigned those to a random party, meaning the policies are all jumbled. So the questions would be things like this "Democrats have expressed support for repealing gun control laws, how do you feel about this?" or "Republicans are considering introducing a bill to enshrine a right to unrestricted access to abortion on demand, how do you feel about this?"
What they found was that politically engaged respondents would call them out and correctly identify it as nonsense, but the majority of the respondents would agree with whatever position was assigned to the party they affiliated with. In practice, this means that Joe Biden could go out on stage tomorrow and announce support for expanding fracking, and the majority of the voter base would immediately switch their position to being heavily in support of it. In practice, strategically this would be untenable because the people with power would revolt against it, so I'm not saying this is viable for a public figure to do, but what this does show is that voters are extremely malleable, and it's very easy to make them abandon convictions that were previously deeply seated in culture so long as the elites controlling the party decide it to be so.
Basically, the only way to make someone betray their party is to violate a core of their identity that a person holds at a higher rank than their party affiliation. The most common one is a person's identity as a parent, which is why a children are a cudgel wielded by both parties in every election. If you can convince someone that their party is harming their children, they will switch parties.
I half agree with you, there are a lot of people like that who didn't accept the truth before everyone always tells them it's not their fault, sometimes a slap on the head is a good way to wake someone up from their delusions, But I do agree that it is necessary to raise the level of people's speech in order to lower the tension in the country today
The deliberate omnipresence of politics is killing us. Politics: Satan's masterpiece.
Masterfully put
Lots of folks are trying to keep politics out of their hobbies, yet there are some in the crowd are saying "Everything is political Deal with it". Comics and movies are done for, gaming is on its way. Anime still has a bit of pushback because the hobby originates outside of America.
Everything is politics. Being left alone to skateboard is a political decision. You either support the people leaving people alone or allow the people who demand control to win.
@@randomanonymousperson3603 The fact is, everything is political....
Plato
One of the penalties for refusing to participate in politics is that you end up being governed by your inferiors.
Okay, then. If people insist everything is political then why does it have to be American politics? I am not American, so I don't care about stuff Americans care about like Trump or Biden parodies.
I would have thought hobbies should be neutral where everyone regardless of inclinations get together, relax and have fun. Why do Americans have to insert contemporary politics and every single piece of media has to say something about modern day talking points?
Unfortunately when you've been censored, lied about, mocked, demonized and at this point persecuted, arrested and KILLED with no care, compassion or even the slightest sense of meaningful empathy from your supposed fellow neighbor... It REALLY has a way of making you grow cold and bitter as a person. It REALLY makes you rethink your view on your beliefs, the world and people in general.
Hell it makes me rethink on history, how much of history were we lied to? If no one is telling the truth on things now? Were they even telling the truth back then? Forget JFK, I wanna know what it was REALLY like in each decade, each region, each city over the past 100-150 years, there's too much nuance to realize that maybe bad people may have had a point in some areas, maybe those things deemed evil may have had a point to them considering what humans have practiced for thousands of years. or maybe there's a reason why people treat certain tribes the way they do? Maybe there's a reason besides blind ignorance of a person's skin color, religion, or sexual preference, as to why people were discriminated against or even hated.
I feel ya brother. The time for niceness is over. If they didn't want this to be personal, maybe they should have given a shit about how we were treated then.
Bro's posting from the grave 💀
When you've had the conversation 10,000 times and 100% of those conversations ended with the person continuing to advocated for and vote for exactly the same people and policies which created the problems they're complaining about, you realize that while what Seamus is advocating sounds nice and like the right course, in reality it's a complete waste of time and energy. These same toxic people will scream in your face about your political positions, call you every vile name they can think of, and continually drag you and all of society down with them, then get mugged by the reality of their choices over and over again, year after year, issue after issue, and never change their thinking or behavior one bit.
If you’ve has the conversation 10000 times and 100% of peopel disagree, maybe it’s time to change your method of conversation. It’s always been about 50;50 for me
While i do agree that people finally showing concern that things are going from bad to worse should be seen as a moment to teach these people good policy, therein lies another frustration: the same peoples’ stubbornness to compromise and/or understand why the initial policy was flawed.
A lot of people who are now wondering why things are as bad as they see them still see the values that led to the situation as nothing but a net positive. They also don’t comprehend the nuance of how a well-intentioned policy or dogma can lead to an undermining or exploitation of the system because the policy as they envisioned generated a loophole and rather than re-evaluate the policy, they would double down on it.
It gets to the point where people who would’ve been happy to explain the whys of an issue will cynically dismiss the concerns and sum it up with “You get what you voted for!” Chicago is one such example of never learning from mistakes.
I'd love to think that the compassionate approach works... but at this point, I think we've been saturated with people who are impervious to reason.
When your streets are overflowing with feces, addicts, and looters and you're still willing to vote for the party that's been in power for the better part of a century... can you really be affected by even the gentlest of rebukes?
I usually like his vids, but he's completely wrong on this one. You can't reason with these people. You can't change their minds. They are religious zealots at this point. The time for conversation and talking has long since passed.
We don’t have it anywhere as bad over here in Britland, but the local populace turns out to vote the same ol’ Left Wing council in term after term.
@@clogs4956On paper your government is more corrupt and by population there is far more death or at least there was when I checked. Somethin somethin knife crime, acid attacks, and car bombs.
@@clogs4956 What makes it worse is that there actually _Isn't_ a "Conservative Party" in the UK. It died after Margarat Thatcher stepped down.
There is only the UniParty, with the same exact left-wing politicans, who play a big old theater game of "Pretend that our parties are seperate".
Exactly. He is right in that just calling out people won't work, but they never listened to reason and voted on good feelings and hope instead. And after reality hits them in the face they still refuse to understand.
It's really hard to not make fun of these people when THEY ARE STILL voting for the same thing that got them to this situation in the first place.
True true
Tbh this is very accurate. Poorly made choices and plus, due to very divided extremism. People would mock at the politically inactive who aren’t really into any political group
In high school, some students used to tell my poly sci teacher 'I don't really care about politics.' 'That's fine,' she would retort, ' the problem is that politics cares about you.'
Being politically inactive is no longer an option. If you stand in the middle of the road then you'll get run over.
@@Lightspectre1 was never an option; we are where we are because 3 generations chose to be *politically inactive*.
we went from "politically inactive" to "choose a religion or die."
@@DarkSpyro707 Yea. Thank God things are finally beginning to change.
@@Lightspectre1 change how? we're still in this heated situation of cult like behavior from top down and we're divided more than ever.
Telling people that what they experience is the direct result of their actions is absolutely helpful.
Sure, 'you voted for this' is schadenfreude but it also provides the absolutely necessary connection between policy and outcomes that is for some reason completely absent in these people. If nobody hammers it home they'll never make the connection themselves. And yes, they really do need to stay where they are and fix the problem, not infect other areas with the same problem.
Yea, I would prefer if they stayed and made California great again.
It's also possible that they didn't vote for this and just went along with it just like America went along with "81M votes". It's entirely possible that the people that have been controlling the votes for decades might be a little crooked.
Ah yes the "teachable moments" are valuable because it's not impossible at all to convince people their ideological beliefs are wrong.
You can't change a zealots mind.
@@pretikewl76 I think this person being sarcastic , I could be wrong though.
What are you on about?! It's totes easy to rationally explain why someone's emotional stance is just that, emotional! Super easy! BARELY an inconvenience! 😂
John Stossel. Candace Owens.
Amala Ekpunobi.
Officer Tatum.
All were purely convinced of their points of view. When presented truth, they fought a bit and then began to believe.
I am compassionate to those who learned, but not to those who would never have learned.
Most never will learn.
A rare Seamus miss, the reality of the situation is that the mockery is targeted at people who were never going to have the capacity to evaluate their interactions with the multiple systems they interact with.
This is a function of retardation, where you have one group who would choose to simplify things (muh racism), pretend they know what is going on (an ethnic group is to blame), and move on with their 60 seconds of TikTok posts. Meanwhile, you have people who can evaluate the systems at play, show how they interact and manipulate each other and the individual, and still go about their day-to-day.
Seamus, you are suffering from the inverse of Dunning-Kreuger, where you believe your capacity is shared amongst the population at a higher rate than it really is. I promise you the San Fran chick is incapable of absorbing the data required to decide outside of what movie to watch that day.
The reality is you can't save everyone, and the only real solution to the problem is to protect the people willing to save themselves.
Exactly...the goal wasn't to reach that one woman and change her mind, the goal was to reach everyone observing and convince them to change their minds. Some people's only purpose in life is to serve as an example to others of what not to do.
here is your pretentious comment of the month award king 🥇
@@lachlanmc2335 you know, if you choose to use certain words, you should know what they mean.
:EDIT: Man, after looking at your playlists, being a dopamine addict with a taste for little anime girls while trying to cast dispersions doesn't hit as hard as you may think. I know I'm not betraying any false sense of superiority towards you. :EDIT:
I think the real problem is dog piling in this video. It's just the sheer amount of people doing it. If it was 1 or 2 people from the side that wants them back they could take it. But 1000s of comments laughing at her. gonna feel some pressure fore sure. But honestly those people need to face the fire and save themselves rather than sit in it cause they can't take the comment section calling out their poor policy decision.
@@domg6041 unfortunately I found someone more pretentious then you and I have to revoke your medal 😔👌☕
Lady: “Have any of you ever changed your mind about something after being attacked by a bunch of condescending trolls?”
Bob: (stares awkwardly in the direction of Seamus)
he had to go into the future to get an education by his own merits, so technically it's not the same, but honestly, as someone who has been convinced of things by condescending trolls, and someone who often is a condescending troll, and considering he was basically just attacked by a different condescending troll while he was in the future, i'd say this is valid.
Seamus has never "trolled" Bob at any point in this series.
@@CommonSenseSoapbox True, but this is how Bob *perceived* Seamus. Remember his horror at seeing Seamus's preserved intelligence in the far future? He's reformed now, but the memory is probably still awkward for him, in the same way that thinking about the people we were in grade school is awkward for us. Or maybe that's just a me thing. XD
“What’s the point of talking if nobody ever learns?” -Huey Freeman, The Boondocks
I love all the people in the comments that are going to be commenting that "Oh yes I wish politics weren't mean like the good ole days," completely glossing over the past forever in politics. From the beating the living day lights out of a guy in congress from the 1840s, to having hired goons break into the offices of your opposition, calling the supreme court appointees of the other party rapists back in the 90s, and who can forget that time Will Farrell got on stage for 2 hours and called bush a child like moron who was ok with killing black people and wanted to cheat on his wife. Oh yes, the much kinder politics of yesterday when people just didn't pay attention at all.
*Incidents* of bad things happening in the past do not indicate nationwide *trends* trickling down to the very foundations of society. The civility and "agree to disagree/live and let live" attitude of the past was as pervasive as the rabid division of today in society. Maybe that's what commenters are talking about.
@@Tusitala1967 So basically: "I was okay with other people being treated like dirt over their politics, but I never expected it to happen to me."
*What a wonderful sentiment.*
Exactly. Put politics back in the closet.
@@Lightspectre1 Every incident the OP mentioned was not half of society out to destroy the other half of society. Dumb comedians talking shit about a president, rigorous confirmation procedures for higher office revealing past sex abuse, criminal activity such as what Nixon did, and the occasional brawl on the senate floor are not what we have going on now. Your take on what I wrote is silly, my dude.
I prefer Roman politics far more straight to the point.
idk, it really makes me feel better about myself to see people like her face consequences for their bad decisions. The "i told you so" situation is very cathartic after years of being told i'm evil. I'd rather be on the side mocking her for being stupid and telling her not to bring that crap to my state. The teaching phase ended 10 years ago, now they gotta live with it.
Social skill issue, you'll die alone.
You said it!
These people have been saying to us all the insults they know not only for our opinions, but for saying the truth with data on our side.
@@TheSpidersider Better than living with those people.
Understandable, and for some of us we still live with this. However, if we are to see the change we truly wish to see, we do have to show kindness back despite the hardships thrown at us.
@@BlazeLycan I've seen a los of youtubers being kind to the people who decided to change their mind.
It just show us that, sometimes, before you can learn, you may have to suffer a little bit.
The best teachings comes with a little of pain.
There are people in this world that can not be reasoned with.
People that, no matter how much you attempt to find middle ground with, will vilify you for something as petty as ideological differences.
Why should I feel bad about becoming a "monster" when I know full well they will never apologize for making me one?
What happens when your graciousness and mercy gets abused so much that you only leave yourself vulnerable to the consequences of their unchanging behavior?
You leave and rightfully mock them so others in the community don't go astray.
Matt 5:10 Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness’ sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.
It’s hard and hurtful. However, I believe necessary.
Shaming people into compliance?
How that makes us different from the wokes?
@@mikegillettify that sounds like an excuse to never stand up for yourself. Christians aren't called to be doormats. There is a correct way to defend against persecution.
@@Sonick92I agree there is a way to do stand for right righteously. That isn’t what you suggested in your original post, last paragraph.
People have said this for so long but I don’t know… I’m seriously changing my mind on this. You look at the standard types of political content. It’s literally all “HAHA let’s point and laugh at this stupid person” or “this person is an insane demon” that’s basically the two types of things we have been doing for the last 15-20 years and we have been tragically losing across all of the western world.
You ask a woman why she’s liberal, it’s almost always going to be something to do with being “nice”. If we are just seen as the assholes who mock *anyone* who’s on the otherside then nobody will want to come to us. The point of the video is that there’s a right time and a wrong time to point and laugh and mock. Sometimes we do it when people are too far gone, but we must be mindful of when people are on the edge and we can win them over to our side by being compassionate and understanding and without the sense of “i told you so”
The ONLY way to wake up the SF zombies is to:
1) dress homeless
2) Smear Nutella on your hands
3) Run up to them screaming jibberish and wipe your hands on their faces.
Note: This may even work better if you scream leftist attacks at them. Call them a Trumper, Nazi, Bigot... Maybe they will do a bit of self reflection.
As someone who regularly does this on weekends just for funsies, I can confirm that wakes people up.
@@Lightspectre1 Bless your heart!
Gonna be real, showing compassion is good and all but NY, CA and Chicago HAD chances to change the leadership before end of term because it was THAT BAD but did not.
I dont feel sorry for them
That's what he glances over big time in this vid. They've had chances to change this, but didn't. I feel no sympathy for them.
Californian here, it's easy to hate on Californians from a-far but it's kind of hard to sway our elections back to the right when our state's government is importing literally millions of immigrants per year for the purpose of keeping them in power. Plus, a majority of the counties in California are pretty conservative, but the four major metropolitan areas of Los Angeles, San Francisco, San Diego and Sacramento completely out weigh them because they keep building dirty, crowded apartment complexes to house the endless stream of multicultural imports.
And don't be so smug, buddy. Just 40 years ago California was a right-leaning swing state; the home of Ronald Regan. If it can happen to our state, it'll happen to yours in due time.
“Have mercy on them, for they know not what they do” Very teachable moment from Our Lord. We should never rejoice in someone’s punishment for their own actions. All human suffering is a tragedy and we mustn’t dehumanise our brothers due to their own poor choices. If this was your daughter would you sit back and scoff and say “i told you so” and watch gleefully as she was murdered? Don’t dehumanise your brothers. Always be there for them, no matter how tempting it is to turn away and laugh.
@@Flame1500"All human suffering is a tragedy and we mustn’t dehumanise our brothers due to their own poor choices."
What if they kept IGNORING what you have been flat out trying to warn them about all that time and all they did was Sneer, Mock or even outright try to beat you up?
What then?
There is a Point where you cannot even call it "Dehumanizing" when they not only ignored your warnings, but also outright tried to silence you either with loudly shouting you down or even trying to _permanently_ silence you... And yet, all they do is constantly condemn you for _THEIR_ own failure.
Remember, God _can_ forgive... But after a certain point, even God _cannot_ forgive when they keep poking him in the eye. Their Sin is of _Arrogance,_ thinking they are not in the wrong, and that it must be someone _else's_ fault that they live in Squalor, intentionally ignoring that they voted for the system that troubles them now.
For those who did not vote for the problem system, I wish them the best and hope they come out okay... But the Woman in the video not only voted for the problem, but she has also constantly disregarded warnings from other people about voting for the current establishment, outright INSULTED and Mocked them, and most _recent_ videos from her have only shown how much of a Bag of Hot Air she turned out to be with her sincereity.
@@Victor-056 That’s for God to judge them then. If God cannot forgive them then that’s between them and God. We are called to forgive our neighbour as we are forgiven by God. No sin is too large for God to forgive so long as we go to him with a contrite and repentant heart. God has forgiven us the unforgivable so in turn we must try our hardest to manifest this lovingkindness in our life as we wish for forgiveness at the end of our life. Don’t exalt yourself above others because you happen to be on the right side of this issue. It may well be in the future you are dreadfully wrong about something and wish to swallow your pride and turn to the other side of things. If that ever is the case would you not wish to be received happily and with open arms?
And when we give them compassion and understanding, and try to educate them, and they throw it back in our face, what then?
"Then Peter came up and said to him, “Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?” Jesus said to him, “I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven." -Matthew 18:21-22
Those who are in the right needn't fear being mocked. It's the ones who are unsure of their conviction that have to be proven right in the eyes of men.
@@SoybeanAK Jesus also told his disciples to shake the dust off their sandals when they were not received.
@@ProfDragonite When they'd given the gospel and been rebuffed, they were not to cast their pearls before swine, sure. But they were never instructed to react by berating and belittling those who hadn't yet seen the light. If God can forgive those who sin against him again and again, surely we don't need to be acting superior to those who've not got it yet.
@@SoybeanAK Honestly, there's no point in berating. Better to let their Sodoms and Gomorrahs immolate themselves.
@@ProfDragonite Can't argue that, but the video was specifically calling out those who berate and belittle the ones on the fence. Anyone wavering shouldn't be met with nastiness, but understanding. What you refer to is an entirely separate issue.
I would agree with the general premise of treating these people with kid gloves and those that are willing to learn. Here is the thing, most will not learn unless it is shoved so far and deep into their face that they can't ignore it. Yes, that may involve crying on their part, but not unlike children, they have to take responsibility.
Trolling may not change her mind, but it can deter her from moving closer to her trolls and turning their state into a hellhole.
4 D Chess. I like it!
I am adding this argument to my arsenal. Thank you, @xanthippus9079.
That's not how people work.
When you alienate someone for being wrong, they return to what's familiar.
@@JJ-yc2sv Hitler, Stalin and Mao killed their Useful Idiots... so we wait.
It is more likely to do the opposite.
Shamus is wrong on this one. You don’t hear the people complaining about the problems on their cities say, “I was wrong,” so all you can do is mock them. They still don’t think they are the problem (voting for the problems they are causing).
You cannot help someone until they admit they have a problem first.
It's beyond that. To have a conversation you have to be willing to talk. They don't want to talk. In fact, they would literally rather see you dead than talk to you about anything.
the other side are hardliners and cultists that will never change, if we allow leniency and compassion towards them we'll only keep losing ground. no mercy, no surrender, no quarter given.
I keep saying this. They would literally rather see you dead than talk to you about anything. I have no compassion for these people. It only ever leads to loss.
Trying to be polite and rationally explain ourselves to the left is how we got here...
Nazis use facts and stats, Bigot!!!
Exactly. These zealots would literally rather kill you than talk to you.
Correct, its almost war time, no wait the war has already begun given the number of left wing terrorist attacks.
It's more fun to watch the joy drain from their eyes as you prove that their entire worldview is built on a bed of lies, and everything they hold dear is nothing more than a carefully crafted facade used to keep pedos in power... And they voted for it.
Lol the right has literally always been like this.
It's why the right has always been so easy to villainize. People prefer that little cathartic feeling they get by acting smug and superior to actually doing anything effective.
The right always fetishizes losing, though. Like how even after so many years (it's been 8 years since 2015), there is never anything but resistance to the idea of acting outside of the "Do nothing or fight a revolution against the government" dichotomy. In other words, anything which could actually be effective or work. The right won't even organize on the most basic community level. Like even just having barbecues together to increase communication is way too much work.
The woman in question (the "San Francisco influencer") was not simply some random victim of all of this, she was (and as far as I know still is) a passionate advocate for these self-destructive policies, and delights in castigating anyone to the right of Mao. So forgive me if my sympathy for her is distinctly muted. If there are no consequences for people who advocate these policies, then they will simply continue to push them on all of us without concern. At some point they have to concede error and back away if anything is going to change.
With all of that said, I do agree that "flinging poo" isn't likely to be a useful technique, as it simply encourages both sides to retreat into closed systems of ideological intolerance. We should welcome those on the Left who are willing to reach out and build bridges (and we on the Right should do so as well), even as we deplore those who cannot or do not choose to do so.
Funny thing is, many on the right have been doing that for years, extending olive branches to those who are willing to accept them.
Its just that too few have accepted the offers.
@@Victor-056 I cannot disagree with you, far too often our extended olive branches have been used to beat us over the head, but if we give up, then what is the alternative? The Left will always find it easier to recruit useful idiots, and if we don't offer any escape hatch for those who realize the error of their ways, we are doomed.
You have more faith in people than I do. Seeing the rats leaving California and such only to institute the same policies where they move...No, I don't think they are teachable.
This. This is the real problem. We should openly welcome people who want a better life. People who loved their home but hated seeing it destroyed by psychopathic politics.
But people running from the mess they helped make? Dodging responsibilities to fix the damages they cause? Moving to a new car without understanding or caring why the last one died? That's the real issue with the mass exodus of California
They seem to think it was the party ideology that created that situation but just that location is "getting bad". Or just the unique political situation of California. ...that being a Democrat supermajority in the legislature and almost every major town completely ran by Democrats.
Then they travel to a new location and think, oh the Democrats here must be better or trust what the news lies to them about.
lived in california left the dem party after being a dem all my life
@@jackhhun2698 Stay there. We don't need or want you to spread.
@@stevenschnepp576 Dude you can F off i'll be coming to your town just practice with my gun
This is, unfortunately, a duly warranted backlash. We've been dealing with so much shit from "the left" up and down the board that it's legitimately mind boggling that people are only NOW waking up to the consequences of their choices. That said, this is the turning point in America. We've taken the progressive route and now things are out of control, even for the layperson. Now's the time to be finding solidarity in functional policies.
The woman who this video is based on went on to lie about who accosted her and why. I get it, it sounds nice to be nice but there's value in calling people out bluntly. The point isn't to change her mind, because that's likely impossible. The point is to make sure anyone watching sees the truth.
Looking for Tim Pool's comment as this feels like a friend calling out a friend in the most indirect way possible.
Tim pool would NEVER point at the camera with an angry expression and shout "you voted for this" multiple times per video. That is totally unlike him.
They voted for those who made this mess, then keep voting them to remain in office.
I understand what you are trying to say but I can’t agree, or at least completely.
The right has tried to explain things for years. I would suggest that even in this situation, if it happened to be a man who tried reaching out to her, she would likely condemn him for “mansplaining.” If someone tells us to f-off for years then when what we told them was going to happen, happens, why should we make an effort to coddle them?
If that woman were to say, “I was wrong. Now I understand what you were trying to tell me,” I would be much more interested in reaching out to her. I don’t say that to be antagonistic, but rather because I know that it would not change a thing if she didn’t have some self realization. It is often said that you cannot resolve a personal problem if you don’t acknowledge that you have a problem. In this situation she knows there is a problem, but she has not yet admitted that she helped bring it about. If she does not stop and say, “I voted for this,” then the problem will not be resolved. For us to put our arms around her and say, “Poor baby,” will not help her. It would best be described as enabling.
While it is true we need to have a civil discussion more often, the problem is, can we have one given the circumstances and hostility towards having one? If so many people will attack you and see your comment won't they attack you too leaving the person to believe your just part of the problem?
Good point, another issue is that unless you have the patience to deal with potential freakouts because "Evil Drumphf" if somebody leans left but is looking to move more right for example
I know I wouldn't for shit since I have eyes and they were open enough that I saw how he was treated during the last (almost) years simoly for speaking out, my patience has simply run out and I don't have the patience to explain to people why Joe's plans won't work, California ia going to shit, etc..
Or maybe they’ll see your comment and recognize your graciousness and mercy in a sea of bitterness and hatred.
@@danielboone8256
Do you want to take that chance and guide them by their hand like a literal child towards actuall facts? I would have no patience for that as mine died during the 2020 ellection lawsuit period.
The big risk of course is being told to fuck off by everyone who doesn't want change and/or maybe even being deplatformed entirely.
These people would literally see you dead before trying to talk to you. They are religious zealots. But sure, try "talking" to them and see how far you get.
@@anelbegic2780 loosing your job possibly the environment is way too toxic.
One thing that this kind of scolding does bug me about is... there's no example of what TO do differently. Just "Stop That." Yes, "she might be open to a teachable moment" or something, but actually demonstrating that teachable moment should be shown, as well, I think. I feel a little bad pointing this out at Freedom Toons, which usually does a decent job of actually showing a positive action to take, but it's a real peeve of mine.
I get it a lot from the sorts of people who also will say, "We shouldn't stand for this!" and imply revolution or whatnot, but can't ever articulate what actually TO DO. I doubt they even know what they really want to see happen, not in a specific sense.
What exactly could we say to those people? The only example I can recall of someone changing their view was literally beat up by a homeless dude with a water bottle. Nothing I can say will be as impactful as a metal jug to the face.
The point of dog piling on with the "you voted for this" is to demonstrate social disapproval.
"You voted for this" kind of is using it as a teachable moment. Teaching doesn't require compassion. The "analogy" of the insults at the mom aren't even trying to "teach", just to insult. The two are not the same.
It’s also something that politicians, especially corrupt and selfish ones, thrive on.
It’s easier to divide a community and paint the other side as ‘the enemy’ if the people are already doing it themselves.
honestly this is the time to play the victim card to those people. When you talk to them say you saw me as your enemy called me out for things I've never done and damage my reputation. Pull up their history of the past. Make them feel bad but welcome them back in. shame works but not if everyone shames them only a handful of people should. Tell them expect people to call them out on their post. Tell them to apologize to those people and watch how some of those people would welcome them back in.
these people go out of their way to get people fired for normal views. I do not care if I miss a teachable moment for them
Every time we reach out a hand to help those on the left, it’s slapped away. I’m tired of being blasted for trying to reach out. If they want help, they need to be the ones reaching out now.
A first step would be to not be offended all the time, just because somebody has a different opinion. These days, people get beat up on University Campus for not going along with the woke crazies. And a majority of University Students want to ban free speech, because they are so easily offended.
One would think "you voted for this" would be a learning moment to connect how the current state of things connects to one's own civic priorities
Best we can hope for is more female tech ceos getting what thry voted for.
As Saul Alinsky put it, "ridicule is man's most potent weapon." Flattery is not going to motivate people to change the way shame does!
The whip-lash of seeing exactly what happened in the video right in these comments is truly profound.
There is NO reaching people on that side.
Also, our side needs every little boost to morale we can get.
It's a cult. Plain and simple. It's like trying to change the minds of religious zealots. They would literally rather see you dead than talk to you about anything.
Hard to agree when the vast majority of experiences involve me assuming good faith and getting nothing but bile in response. Even from members of my own family. My circle of friends isn't people I agree with, but the few people I can trust to have an adult conversation.
No, these ppl get no sympathy from the right.
They genuinely never learn.
That's what I've been saying. They don't want to talk about anything. They just want you dead. That's literally what it is. They deserve nothing but the grief they've brought upon themselves.
@@pretikewl76 right wing forgiveness incentivises fence sitters to allign with authoritarian left also, cuz there is no punishment for being wrong.
The people who comment online are not the people most open to having their minds changed anyway.
Telling them you reap what you sow IS A TEACHABLE MOMENT!!!!
People have limited compassion/ empathy. I save mine for those that deserve it.
There ain’t no Christian love in modern politics
If the only thing they hear on the "news" are lies, the voters aren't going to understand the situation. That is why a free press is essential to a free society. We have neither ATM, just a glitsy copy of Pravita.
Nope. Mock them. Spent years trying to be nice and reach out. They need to feel the pain of their choices if they will ever learn.
Imagine how different politics could be if we all just committed to portraying dissenting opinions accurately and honestly, instead of twisting them to make that person look evil.
You make some good points. Actually, I have used condescending comments as a teachable moment for myself and others. Usually, it does provide helpful insight of what others are thinking and how your ideas are being perceived. Language and narrative is important.
This was attempted. After all, the country got this bad as the right were trying to take the high road and be better than the bame callers. Many of them just got tired of the constant insults and strawman arguements.
Peace was attempted, it was flown in our faces, and now were done trying to be the nice guy.
The sad truth is that embarrassment often changes behavior more than rationality. You don't want them to feel angry, you want them to feel ashamed and ostracized. I wish it didn't work that, way but it does. The last decade or more proved that.
Mainly because for the last six years, THEY have been the ones Shaming and Ostracizing people for voting Red! Now that is has backfired on them, they expect pity!
@gaelanwhite8842 I didn't say trolling and vitriol, I said shaming.
Trolling is purposely making people angry with the only intention is to annoy. Vitriol is apoplectic rage.
Shaming is telling people they don't meet your standard for being a decent person, that you are judging them and find them to be insufficient in virtue, and that you won't associate with them until they shape up.
What you claim I am suggesting is just making people angry, but what I actually suggest is hold people to high standards, and don't compromise on them.
@gaelanwhite8842 Your entire comment basically says that people shouldn't be connected to the consequences of their political decisions (voting). Most of the time, the negative consequences of a person's vote is either significantly delayed, or impacts other people more strongly than the one voting for the bad politician. Combine that with no shaming or ostracization as a result of their choice only serves to ensure they will CONTINUE to make bad decisions. The way to counteract that is to ensure they DO feel significant and immediate consequences, as I described. You can find it distasteful all you want but the fact of the matter is that this IS an effective strategy, which the left has been employing for a LONG time to great effect.
@gaelanwhite8842 I will say it again, you may find it distasteful, but shaming works. Reinforcing the idea that voting a certain way is worthy of derision and ridicule is what made the left gain dominance from the late 90s to today.
You can intellectualize it all you want, but the fact is MOST people are "normies" who vote with what they perceive is popular, and the only way to sway them is to make sure the wrong choice is as UNpopular as you can make it.
@gaelanwhite8842 My proof is the last 30-40 years of political reality. Close your eyes to it all you want, it doesn't make it not so.
Seamus just made the case against Mr. Birchum.
Hard to find compassion when the effects of inflation and price hikes mean I and all my family and friends, their children and childrens children have effectively taken a 50% pay cut for the rest of time. Getting mocked on the interwebs is nothing compared to what I want to do.
Bring shaming people for being stupid back.
Okay, so, I get what you're saying Shamus, but after nearly 15+ years of being blamed for all the wrongdoing in the world and being told I'm 'ontologically evil,' for refusing to celebrate cultural suicide, I find it *VERY* hard not to feel a deep sense of satisfaction when those same people are being forced to deal with the consequences of their own actions.
Nope. The time for trying to help these people is OVER.
I somewhat disagree.
People very often do not wish to be "educated" or even "warned" about the possible consequences of their actions, such as voting for bad policies. Only once they themselves start to suffer these consequences will they be open to learn from it, but at this point they might try to scapegoat it on something else. So directly confronting them and telling them that they are responsible is perhaps the best way to start any kind of self-reflection... though I concede that many will just double down because they refuse to believe they were wrong and just make up excuses as to why things turned out the way it did.
That's what we have been seeing for the past few years now. First Trump was responsible for everything bad that people voted for, then the pandemic was responsible and now it's Putin and the Ukraine situation that causes all the world's problems.
Florida man saying "Hitler!?!" was so funny i dont know why
I really miss when people could discuss politics like rational people. We could disagree on something, have a real dialogue and no need for insults, swear words and fights.
I have this weird nagging feeling people are trying to "go viral" with their snarky takes. If I can only be a big enough shithead my comment might get recognized for 5 seconds, which is like an eternity in internet time.
Oh yes the good ole days of........never. You only think those exist because you started paying attention five minutes ago. I still remember Romney wanting to put blacks back in chains, Clinton joking the only thing a republican could create is shit, and decades of movies declaring Regan loved killing the gays
Yeah. That never really happened.
Democrats have been calling republicans Hitler for over 60 years.
What you think you are remembering is neighbors and friends talking to each other about politics. People that already MOSTLY agree due to them being together in the same culture. You generally agree with those in your immediate area.
But in reality, if you would go 100 miles and talk about your politics, this would happen. What we have is that 100 miles being negated via the internet.
It does make it more difficult when the people on either side of any particular argument will say "but the government will pay for it and do it perfectly." Those folks that think taxes disappear into the ether and that the government wouldn't be in charge if the people in it were incompetent need a lot of convincing on exactly how some of these things go wrong. But if it were easy, it would be over already.
@@FilmFlam-8008it’s interesting because I grew up 20 years in the south hearing nothing but hate for democrats, even though they had little control over anything in my area.
1:40 just blew raspberrys in public
I just lost another friend because I told him a man could never be a woman :( it sucks… I miss him
Well, He just went and proved you wrong.
If it wasn't over that it would have just been over something else he's ideologically captured about.
It's his loss. There's no friendship worth the cost of truth and reality. A relationship built on lies is always doomed to fail.
It sucks but maybe one day they will realize that. =/ There is no magic to change gender or sexuality. They need to accept they are them.
You can’t save her, she don’t wanna be saved. J Cole
We tried to explain, got called "evil bigots" , and even after everything backfired, many still refuse to listen
There was a time when I cared about rational, civilized discourse, but at this point I'm too blackpilled to give a flung poop anymore.
Sh..poopposting and trolling is honestly more rewarding than trying to make any kind of difference.
When they are beaten down by their own bad policies, point at them and laugh. When they cry that you're laughing at their failure, point and laugh harder.
I've tried explaining. They either censor me, name call me, or at best treat me like I'm speaking another language. It's a waste of time. The information is out there, they will find it when they're ready to be open minded.
The difference is we told them this would happen for years and they called us every evil thing and wish for us to lose everything. So we are enjoying Schadenfreude
100% agree, while they did vote for it, we should educate them instead of mocking them. Mocking them only pushes the dem city voters to harden their support for dem policies.
but they don't listen
we probably shouldn't use the phrase educate them either, as its condescending. rather we are offering new viewpoints
Unfortunately, its become much like dealing with narcissists. The only way they learn and change for the better is they have to burn their own world down around themselves trying to get what they want using ways that don't work first.
@@alexphilipose1351this. They're part of a cult, and adamantly refuse to hold their side accountable.
They never learn. That's the problem
We on the right tried that for years, it didn't work. Now we play by their rules.
Nah. Keep mocking and shaming them until they're forced to confront their own stupidity to make it stop.
YoungRippa59 said this is what happened to him. Back when he was a liberal, some dude was wrecking his shit in a debate and started mocking and shaming him once it was clear who was right. Rippa left that debate furious, but realized that it was just going to happen again if he didn't improve his knowledge of the issues. When he went to do so however, he realized that it was his views themselves that were wrong, and corrected them. He is now a libertarian.
not just a libertarian, an Anarcho-Libertarian, and a really based one at that
So the issue with indoctrination over rhetoric is that when the calm discussion of politics is attempted the immediate response of the woman in this example is to brush it off.
While I do agree with you Seamus, you have to keep in mind a lot of people now treat their politics as part of their faith, and even if they question like the video example did, it may not mean anything. trying to make it teachable may not even work anyway for a variety of reasons, including them not being in the sense of mind to actually look at it from another's perspective and instead just be on the attack.
I've definitely been bullied into taking the opposite stance because I didn't boot-step in line and hate the people I was supposed to hate.
It doesn't seem to matter when we make reasoned arguments. As someone who habitually leaves actual arguments instead of baseless insults, I can tell you that people like this aren't even listening. My arguments are always perceived as whatever the opposite political extreme of whoever disagrees with it is. If I'm suggesting that we shouldn't allow cops to stomp all over someone's civil rights, I'm a left wing, cop hating communist. If I'm suggesting that cops should be allowed to defend themselves against a knife wielding lunatic, I'm a Right Wing, Boot Licking bigot.
If anyone is interested in having a nuanced conversation, I'm more than happy to have that conversation. Until I find that person, I'm probably not going to find much common ground with people.
The lines have been drawn. Those who have yet to see light never will. At some point y ou have to close the door on them. They're getting what they deserve whether they understood what they're doing or not.