Is This Europe's Best Designed Neighborhood?
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- People value excellent urban design. And that's a great thing! However, great urban design can also make areas expensive. Nordhavn in Copenhagen is a fantastic neighborhood with incredible urban design practices. It's also pretty pricey. In this video, we'll look at why good urbanism can make places more expensive and a few solutions that could alleviate the issue.
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It may be eco-friendly in terms of efficiency in materials and energy use, but the neighborhood looks very sterile. As a previous commentator mentioned, there’s hardly any greenery. There seems to be more of it on rooftops than around buildings.
You see many trees in harbors in general do you?
@@basquat76 Pardon, I didn’t realize you have selective vision. I’ll tell you that I do see sidewalks and generous pathways along the waterfront.
@@nosedive1st I'm sorry is that a yes or a no?
@@nosedive1st it does seem like there could be so much greenery I thought as well
In CPHs history, there have Never been so many trees as today,
I'm in heart of Vesterbro, within the last year, about 500 trees
is planted, 10-15-20-25 years old, Havnevigen metrostation opens in few weeks,
yesterday I'd counted 85 trees, might be the most green metrostation-area,
all metrostations had added plenty of trees, and also other vegetaton,
Enghave station got more than three times number of trees,
today I read on a little sign, that more than 5.000 insect freindly flowers
plus more than 10.000 'onions', it is a amazing wiev, and full of insects.
In my backyard, 150x 30 M.is 70 grown up trees, 40 years ago there was none,
in a nabo-karre', is planted 37 new few monts ago.
Sydhavnen also a new harbour quarter, has trees in all steets, many planted before constuction were finished, many canals, and 40 bridges, You will be surprised.
Most of the harbour front in CPH is green in the buttom.
there is streets where it's not possible, but it happends, they find or create space for one or few.
It might be 1-2 years ago I'd 'inspected' Nordhavn on cycle, it might be less green than Sydhavn,
I dont remember, but there is much more trees than before the project.
Video didn focus that much, mostly from above perspective
80 Kejser-linde trees waiting to be planted in the new Carlsberg, as already have many trees and green niches, they might be 25-30 year when they get planted.
I'm from 1954, cycled CPH thin, since I was Six, visited 80 countries, 200 of the biggest cities
and many more.
Well, still many more trees wait to be planted, yaeh here is far more trees than never before.
I must say that it all looks very impressive, but one thing I noticed when visiting Copenhagen is that it really lacks trees and greenery in most of the urban neighborhoods, especially in cental areas. Nordhavn may promote itself as "green" but if you look at the footage, there is still a lot to win. I know that being green is about more than having greenery everywhere. But where are the trees in most streets? There is so much space in many areas, but it has so much asphalt and pavement everywhere. Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love the city, its efficient transportation options, and modern architecture. However, many of the apartment buildings look very basic and nothing special considering the pricing. The affordability is a big issue that should be tackled for sure. How can an average single person afford such high rents?
I agree with you, Markus
I agree, although you ask where the trees are and I see many trees but they're all dormant for the winter. With no leaves.
In many of the shots if you pause and look around for a minute you can see a decent amount of trees. Yes they're young but it's a new development and has only young trees as one would expect.
They have a decent amount of trees and green space, and usually expensive cities are also cities where you make more money in the first place, and where there are more opportunities to do so, than anywhere else nearby
@@JustinJamesJeep I mean, there are trees. But very few. If you look carefully, many streets don't have any or very few. Not even in big parts of the waterfront. For an area like that, they could have added way more trees. Especially considering it's a Scandinavian city. My point is that there is way too much asphalt and concrete that could have been used for greenery. I'm also talking about the other parts of central Copenhagen. I've been there many times and it always surprises me how few trees there are. Amsterdam streets are much greener, but Amsterdam doesn't have as many parks or nature areas nearby.
@@carstarsarstenstesenn I have a different perspective regarding the trees, but that's fine.
Great video! Though I hate modernist architecture.
It’s distinct. That’s about all I’ll give it…
and I love it !
@@trooper1972 you along with about 15%of the population in Denmark and 75% worldwide like modernism, the rest like classical yet 99% build since 1940 is modernist or post modernist=modernist with weird shapes
This isn't modernist.
Im pretty sure CPH or Denmark in general has a law that 25% of residences in all new builds has to be allocated for affordable housing. Also your idea of making buildings taller severly impacts the street life. Jan gehl (great DK urban planner) highlights how more wind is drawn down onto the street and the taller buildings shade from the sun, something that is lacking most of the year in CPH
There has to be a balance in building height and distance between buildings. A city where no building is over 5 floors, but there is no space between buildings and the streets are narrow can have a worse impact on sunlight than a city which has many buildings over 20 floors. It's definitely a weakness of cities like Paris and Vienna, which are otherwise beautiful cities.
@@XandateOfHeaven Generally a building that is 20 floors will create much more shade than spreading out multiple blocks of 6-7 stories. Especially in the DK climate with little sun in winter this greatly impacts the experience of the Urban space at street level
Yes, literally the big building next to the one the author pointed at, is owned by a pension fond and rented as affordable housing.
I live in copenhagen! The area is cold and boring to walk along, nothing to do there. Also lack of greenery, but this is true for most of copenhagen. Nordhavn, like most new developments are just some fancy modernist boxes for rich people.
Its ridiculous with how pretty the old parts of town are that architects and developers have been allowed to build something so ugly and souless
I completely disagree. I live in Copenhagen and work in this area. It is wonderful. So much more succesful than many other new developments. While there hasn't been much space for greenery as the density is high, the water adds a ton to the enviroment.
On nice days it is packed with people visiting from the rest of the city to be near the water and you have everything within walking distance. I love the place.
For me, it's either Seestadt in Vienna or Vauban in Freiburg
Vauban is great, interesting history, eco friendly, TOD and lots of greenery.
Please make a video about Oslo and other Nordic country's cities. Thank you! I just subscribed to support
2:32 The pre-cast concrete elements of this parking garage (Lüders) was produced by the company I work for (or rather worked for, the factory I work at was sold to a competitor last fall).
It is a concrete structure with metal facades. It's not a trampoline park at the top per se, more like an activity area.
2:28 The concrete beam structure of the bridge shown to the far right was also made at the same factory. I was the one making the production drawings for the beams. :)
The main lesson from this is that modern architecture looks horrible. We need to build neoclassical buildings instead
There is more to beautiful architecture than neoclassical. Plenty of modernism styles are beautiful: Art Deco, Vienna Secession, Streamline Moderne, etc
I mean prices are almost purely a product of supply and demand where the most important metric is the salary of the people living there. As the salaries in Copenhagen continue to explode towards the highest in the world, the house prices will naturally follow. The supply constraint that pushes up prices so high is because so many are moving from the countryside to Copenhagen, and there are artificial restraints on building more for political reasons. This is a bit different from what happened in Aarhus, the 2nd biggest city, which is experiencing almost everything Copenhagen did but with a 20 year lag. Aarhus is also quickly becoming extremely wealthy and desirable, but they alleviated the supply pressure by allowing way more construction in the suburbs. As a result, the prices in Aarhus are significantly lower while arguably enjoying the same benefits. The solution is to free the market and allow the speculators to build as more and the prices will stabilize.
There is no need to build taller buildings with how many low quality buildings occupy land in the surrounding area of Copenhagen, which would be extremely lucrative if it was repurposed to office/apartment buildings. Basically the entire eastern coastline is dominated with industrial stuff.
I think you need to look into Bjørvika, Oslo. I think bjørvika is a better designed neighborhood.
Looks horrible. There needs to be more classical architecture.
Gotta say, isn’t it too cramped and concretey?
Are the buildings themselves expensive due to luxurious features, or do the location and characteristics of the area enable the owners to jack up prices and make huge profits? If the latter, isn't that inappropriate for a public agency?
A little disapointing, a guy talking about city infrastructure and housing, doesn't know why they don't allow high rises. You will find it on page one in the city infrastructure book.
How is this better in comparison with "Hafencity" in Hamburg for instance? Doesn't seem too special to me... Most new urban areas in richer cities look like that to be honest 😬
the D is silent mo fuga
Using your own stats parking spaces are actually cheap priced by square foot.
It's cool but the architecture is so bland, cold and sterile to me. I wish developers would do something other than this ugly modernist style
Good video
It's absolutely terrible. I've been there multiple times and every single building is really disconnected from each other, no grander plan other than apartments and a promenade dock, nothing in between such as great architecture, green spaces, even just useful spaces in general. It's not for visiting or coming to explore or take a break, it would even be more interesting to go to Albertslund to do that. Feels like a miniature version of the disaster that was Ørestad.
Lol what are you on about? ørestad is very lively, and extremely well connected, surrounded by a national park, with 20k people living there, mostly families. And Nordhavn is considered to be one of the most attractive places, filled to the brin with life, tourists, small businesses. In the summer there is literally no seating space on the promenade, and most spaces between buildings are used either as secluded micro parks or children’s playgrounds 😂
This is so sick!!! Gotta love Copenhagen!!
I'm so tired of people calling "success" some kind of "crisis".
Why the need to give uncapable people a place next to successful people?
PRIJE JE BOLJE
No, it's not...
It is absolutely hideous and sterile
Cities in texas are affordable and desirable
sure if you have a car
@@carstarsarstenstesenn I've never said otherwise, but at least they have a house
@@agustinarcusa7696 The point being required to own a car significantly decreases the affordability of a place. A neighborhood like this may be expensive, but residents are more likely (and able) to have money from not owning a car (and also from living in a city with a lot more opportunities to make a killing than somewhere in Texas that you have to drive 30+ min to and from). People in these cities make more money and they spend a lot less of it on cars than Texans.
@@carstarsarstenstesenn I get what you are saying, but if you have to pay 500k for an appartment instead of 250k you dont have more. I would also point tha texans have much more disposable income. Finally, dont get me wrong I dont like suburbia, but thinking eurpean cities are a paradise is not real, same thing with cities like amsterdam.
@@agustinarcusa7696 Never said it was perfect. Copenhagen is more comparable to New York than any other city in the US, and even then, it's apples to oranges.
thumb down, way too dense and soulless, it's a fake success, and also where are the trees '??
Nothing modernist is better than traditional cities
I think you need to look into Bjørvika, Oslo. I think bjørvika is a better designed neighborhood.
Nordhavn is expensive because byoghavn has to payback the largest loan in EU. Good urban design has been done to justify the high prices, but not necessarily the driver. Cph is becoming more expensive because there are more and more new Copenhagen’s and housing supply cannot follow the demand. On the top of that; construction costs increased 45% since 2021, and capital costs increased from 0-5%. The high quality of life offered by the city, through good urban design accelerates demand, prices increase due short supply. Good urban design is not necessarily for the few, and can be delivered at lower costs
The rest of us also like to visit shops, restaurants and cinnema in Nordhavn. We come by car so the parking spots are appreciated.
eh..its well good i guess looks like every other fancy mordern "neighborhood" built in late capital 2020s
Houthavens in Amsterdam looks pretty cool, though it's not all that new
The concept of talking about affordable housing, and pairing it with the Nordhavn area, falls flat on its face! The city townhall struggled through most of the 70'ies, 80'ies and 90'ies with low tax incomes. And doing away with the "affordable" part, meant that only families with high incomes can afford these neighborhoods. Yes you will definitely need two incomes to live here.
Just cross the train tracks and move to Østerbro. Way better place to live. Nordhavn is a souless overpriced area that is barren and windy 6 months of the year. If you only show videos of it when it is nice and sunny and plants are still green, you get a very biased impression.
absolutely not, that place is a ghost town for any1 not living there
litterally just a bedroom community for rich people.
A lot of the architechture in this video is not from Nordhavn.
These buildings aren't very pretty, are they?
a comment about the parking spaces, we have a huge problem with not enough parking spaces in Copenhagen, and also way to expensive parking spaces the result being the people who live in these areas park their cars in other neighbour hoods creating problems there, you can't force people not to have cars! the politicians in Copenhagen have tried the past 30 years but the results is more cars due to all the new housing so it's a very bad idea to remove parking from Nordhavn , I don't have a car myself so this is not out of self interest it's just a fact, I prefer all buildings is build with affordable parking under the building, personally I would not to live in the new areas though because it's all modernist ugly buildings with no soul
…… I think it’s very bold to call those buildings beautiful
Hope you'll look into the area 'Carlsbergbyen' as well, @Shortcut Documentaries 🇩🇰
I work in this neighborhood and the best thing to do there is leave. Cold, lifeless, and unwelcoming.
An important downside of these mixed-zone urban design are... the real estate prices. The surrounding commercial buildings skyrocket the real estate prices. Copenhagen is quite expensive for a small country in this regard, and so is Berlin, Hamburg, Munich. And these cities are not like NY with some extremely high populations. Even outside of center real estate is expensive in Copenhagen, despite a lower average income than in the US.
The size of the country doesn't really matter. Singapore is a city state and one of the most expensive cities in Asia. Also Copenhagen is not expensive compared to the main hubs in the USA like San Francisco, LA, New York. The incredibly high prices for developeable land in Copenhagen are mainly a function of that there is almost none left. Nordhavn is already an artificial island. It's the suburbification that bites Copenhagen in the foot here. Areas like Sundby on Amager, Gentofte in the north, the West of Valby, Brønshøj-Husum and Vanløse consist mostly of detached single family homes with a density in the 3-4k per km² range. If you would have built it more like Frederiksberg C or really any of the Bro-kvarter (Amagerbro, Vesterbro, Nørrebro, Østerbro) you could have housed up to 8 times as many people there while simultaneously providing more public functions. And it's no like these places are far away. From the western periphery in Husum - which is about as far out as you can get in Copenhagen municipality to the Indre By it's around 8km - and a lot of people these days would say Nørrebro is the real centre, so that's even shorter.