Oh yes, that looks much better! I really like how smooth everything seems to be. The only thing that I can think of that could further speed it up cycling wise, is to move the deck shutes back on the way up instead of when the table has reached the top. This could dump the pins way faster. :)
Love seeing how this has evolved. It went from a mini Brunswick A2 to an AMF 82-70 type design now to a design that combines the revolving turret of the A2 with pin lift of the newer GSX machine. Combining the pin and ball lift was cool. Cuts down on parts and complexity.
That is just awesome! Love the improvements. I am hoping to be able to buy one someday. I still plan on coming out to see it. I will get in contact with you when I am ready to come out. Great work!!!
I love this scoring system and it’s even similar to the AMF Accuscore XL (BOSS) Scoring but more advance than the actual BOSS Scoring. I love this pinsetter much smoother and runs faster. Edit: Great Video !
Been watching you for the last couple of years. I have a strong interest for mini bowling inside the home. I pray eventually i'll have enough cash to afford this. The only other company im aware of sales an arcade machine called the Roller Ball. Those machines go for 35,000 and up and only operate with string pin setters. You have Ball Bowler currently going for 22,000. Add tax and it is 24,000. I hope you make good money . I hope you keep this price range because ill be looking towards you when the time comes. Keeping it in a more affordable price range or at the least closer to one. Thank you for all your hard work. I truly appreciate it . I hope your business starts booming .
This machine is absolutely incredible! I'm a certified A2 mechanic, it's very interesting seeing how this machine was inspired by A2s. Being able to move away from everything being belt-driven to lots of smaller motors controlled by a computer seems like a great solution, it allows for so much more control and probably has a lot less wear on the parts. I really like the combined elevator, it seems very reliable; though it does concern me a bit that ball returns are so closely tied to pin returns. I could see a situation where a ball didn't return because the elevator system paused due to the 5-pin not being ready to load. Probably not nearly as much of a concern on a machine that clearly isn't meant for tournament play, but it stuck out to me a bit. That aside, this whole machine is incredible, and I'm amazed at the engineering that went into it!
Thanks for the kind words. As for the possibility of the ball returning slow on occasion, I told the 2 Brunswick machanics that are working on these machines they are much faster than what they're used to. After a short period of constanatly watching balls run through the machine, they understand what I meant. I'll see if I can't post a video soon.
@@coasterp2199 I was very impressed with this. I have worked on Brunswick A/a2 pinsetters and gs series machines. I love how they are both represented here. There elevator really impressed me(takes care of pins stuck in ball door like gs).
Once again, bravo, great work. More videos, please! I'd love to see the pins leave the lift and get oriented (orientated?) as well as see how the pins are aligned in the lift.
What a beautiful piece of engineering! I wish I had the space, and the money. But I have been spreading the word-of-mouth (and of Facebook) on the Ball Bowler, so ya never know. Maybe one or two of my wealthier friends will put in an order!
Great update! If pins are worn down, will they still re-align well on the belt? You covered it briefly but how does it ensure that the pins are deposited on the belt facing the right direction every time?
Rest in piece to the ball auger! I loved that design but using the elevator does save on parts. I thought I caught a glimpse of it, but are you using some time of ball kicker built into the elevator frame to eject the balls but not the pins? On the Sherman duckpin machine it's a very similar design except our pin and ball kickers are spring loaded to more accurately decide what is pin and what is ball (since the balls are only .25 of an inch larger in diameter)
It was a little tricky to get it all working due to the size difference between the ball and pins. Having the ball and pins closer in size would have actually made things a lot easier.
Are 2 balls able to fit onto an elevator shovel? Or if there is 1 ball and 1 pin does it eject both? Also what happens if pins get caught in the elevator or a shovel gets caught does it have anyway to detect a jam
@@nicholaslloyd5623 Two balls could fit on a lifter (shovel as you called it). A ball and a pin will not fit together. If there is a jam, the drive system is designed so that the drive belt simply slips on the drive motor pulley. I do not have a way to detect if there is a lift jam. It would show up as no pins being spotted eventually.
Sweeeeet! Would it be possible to have computer control the turret to bypass openings and only drop selected pins for spare shooting? Run the machine with only 10-12 pins to keep from getting backed up since you would only be setting a few pins at a time. As it is now though, I know I would be spending too much time playing this thing all day!
Yes it is possible to configure the machine to only set certain pins. It would be a custom upgrade and add quite a bit of cost to the machine. If someone wants it though, it can be done.
This is fantastic stuff! .. It is important for the bowling industry to develop a better, more efficient way of pin setting. String pins are not going to save the bowling industry (they suck). In fact, I think string pins are ultimately going to hurt the bowing industry. It is paramount that we develop much more efficient and simplified free fall pin setting machines that require much less maintenance and energy to operate. I look at current pin setter designs and just shake my head at the incredible complexity. Lots of room for simplification and improvements. I have my own idea of potentially using electro magnets, but that would require a modification to pin manufacturing. However, my electro magnet idea would remote about 80% of the moving parts of a current design.
We are building to order. As for the ball return, depending on what a buyer wants, we can have a ball return for each lane or a shared ball return in the middle. The entire system is very modular and allows for customizing very easily.
I love all your improvements except for the ball return. Would be a problem if there were a few "full deck" circumstances and the lift keeps shutting off.
@@riverdealer Jan is correct about 22 pins being run. On occasion the lift does shut off for a couple of seconds. It has not impacted operation though, as typically the ball is back before the sweep goes back up on first ball, even if the lift did stop for a couple of seconds during the cycle.
Our current list price is $22,900, plus shipping and installation. If you would like me to give you a formal quote, please contact me through the contact page on our website: www.minibowlinglanes.com. Thanks, Phil
Shut up and take my money (if i had it lol). This is awesome. The engineering is very nicely done. Do you happen to have a pricing catalog of the accessories and equipment?
We use 22 pins. I've run it with 20 and it's still very fast but every now and then a pin sits in the middle of the disk in the pit. With 22, it's never an issue if this does happen.
We can customize them to meet length available. The minimum area you would need is 20 feet long. Our current price is $24,900, plus shipping and installation. Please contact me at ballbowlerinfo@gmail.com if you would like more information.
Our standard lane is 28.5 feet from "foul line" to rear of the pinsetter. While we recommend a length of 35 feet to put a standard size lane in, we can also easily customize lanes to fit in areas as short as 20 feet. We are the manufacturer. Each lane is custom built to meet the buyers requirements. Our current price for a standard, base model lane is $24,900. You cab find more information on our website: www.minibowlinglanes.com or contact us a ballbowlerinfo@gmail.com.
@@coasterp2199 ok i don't have that much but i do appreciate the response back. I hope in the future i will be able to get one. I used to bowl but it got to expensive for me. So i still want to bowl when i seen ur lane. I was like that would be awesome to get and have but i will have to build up my money for one.
Our current list price is $22,900 for the whole lane. Shipping and installation are extra. You can find all the information on our website www.minibowlinglanes.com
My machine can easily be scaled up. The problem is too many people buying bowling lanes today know very little about bowling. They think you install the lanes and print money. Even the string machines need maintenance.
So basically years ago you thought of a mini pinsetter and then decided you actually were going to produce one? Once every change/update is done and the pinsetter is 100% completed you should do a video showing every update starting from scratch
The design is 100% complete as you see it. I do not plan on making any other changes. As for showing all the updates, the videos posted previously do show most of what took place. There have been several sweep revisions for example.
@@christopherrodmell1694 Yes. I planned to build a half size bowling lane and a pinsetter to go with it. Once people started seeing videos and commenting, I decided to design it for sale, which is why it took so long to complete it.
Impressive.....I would like to find a building that houses at least 10 units. I live in a small town called Cottonwood, Arizona, and there's absolutely nothing for teenagers to do. I also think that this would be great for the elderly and the young kids, as there is a ten pin bowling alley about 20 minutes away, but the balls are heavy. This would be ideal for a lot of groups. Please contact me. Stephen Garner.
Steve, I sent you a message. If for some reason you didn't get it, please go to our website and contact me through there: www.minibowlinglanes.com Thanks, Phil Kaiser.
@@elijahrosado3816 It's actually harder to make something work in miniature. Most people don't realize that. You have half the tolerance you have on a full size pinsetter. our machine is actually much more precise than a full size machine.
@@lindamartin7145 I tried to report, but YT won't let me without claiming it's mine, so I refused to continue. Apparently, YT won't take it down, and that sucks!
Love seeing the progress. I like the speed improvements, looks a lot smoother now. Keep up the good work.
I think you should upgrade to this instead of the hand operated pin setter
Or just buy a pk2 pinsetter
I ,as a child,often thought someone should make a mini bowling lane like this one. It would be cool to have one in a basement rec room. Great idea!
I’d love to see the machine working while a full game is run with different angles it’s mesmerising! Loved the vid
That's coming.
Oh yes, that looks much better! I really like how smooth everything seems to be. The only thing that I can think of that could further speed it up cycling wise, is to move the deck shutes back on the way up instead of when the table has reached the top. This could dump the pins way faster. :)
Actually a great idea. Not something I had thought about. I will see if doing this will create any issues.
Nice, hope it works out!
@@ThinkCleverAndSmart It did. Nice catch on noticing that.
That’s great! Thanks. :)
Love seeing how this has evolved. It went from a mini Brunswick A2 to an AMF 82-70 type design now to a design that combines the revolving turret of the A2 with pin lift of the newer GSX machine. Combining the pin and ball lift was cool. Cuts down on parts and complexity.
It is very similar to the old Bowl-Mor/Daifuku Z2 pinsetters.
That is just awesome! Love the improvements. I am hoping to be able to buy one someday. I still plan on coming out to see it. I will get in contact with you when I am ready to come out. Great work!!!
Wow... really cleaned up the design. Awesome work!
These videos are all great and much appreciated.
Amazingly elegant design. I love this!
A lot smoother than the last video.......Great Job!!!
this looks awesome
I love this scoring system and it’s even similar to the AMF Accuscore XL (BOSS) Scoring but more advance than the actual BOSS Scoring. I love this pinsetter much smoother and runs faster.
Edit: Great Video !
Absolutely brilliant in every way.
This is amazing. I wish that more bowling companies would sell half scale bowling pins, balls and equipment
These are great improvements!!!! Keep up the good work! You should try and put rubber on the ball rails in the machine.
OMG :0 That is absolutely amazing! That is some beautiful engineering Phil!
Thank you. Can you send me a message through my website: www.minibowlinglanes.com. Would love to chat with you about your design.
This is the coolest thing I’ve seen. As a pin setter nerd, this is really sweet to look at. Great work!
Thanks from one nerd to another. Hopefully you've checked out my other videos. They give a lot of history on how I got here.
Love the A2 Sweep
Been watching you for the last couple of years. I have a strong interest for mini bowling inside the home. I pray eventually i'll have enough cash to afford this. The only other company im aware of sales an arcade machine called the Roller Ball. Those machines go for 35,000 and up and only operate with string pin setters. You have Ball Bowler currently going for 22,000. Add tax and it is 24,000. I hope you make good money . I hope you keep this price range because ill be looking towards you when the time comes. Keeping it in a more affordable price range or at the least closer to one. Thank you for all your hard work. I truly appreciate it . I hope your business starts booming .
Thanks Jeffery. We currently have no plans to raise the price on our base units. Looking forward to an order from you when the time is right.
This machine is absolutely incredible! I'm a certified A2 mechanic, it's very interesting seeing how this machine was inspired by A2s. Being able to move away from everything being belt-driven to lots of smaller motors controlled by a computer seems like a great solution, it allows for so much more control and probably has a lot less wear on the parts. I really like the combined elevator, it seems very reliable; though it does concern me a bit that ball returns are so closely tied to pin returns. I could see a situation where a ball didn't return because the elevator system paused due to the 5-pin not being ready to load. Probably not nearly as much of a concern on a machine that clearly isn't meant for tournament play, but it stuck out to me a bit. That aside, this whole machine is incredible, and I'm amazed at the engineering that went into it!
Thanks for the kind words. As for the possibility of the ball returning slow on occasion, I told the 2 Brunswick machanics that are working on these machines they are much faster than what they're used to. After a short period of constanatly watching balls run through the machine, they understand what I meant. I'll see if I can't post a video soon.
@@coasterp2199 I was very impressed with this. I have worked on Brunswick A/a2 pinsetters and gs series machines. I love how they are both represented here. There elevator really impressed me(takes care of pins stuck in ball door like gs).
Nice work man!
Thanks.
Once again, bravo, great work. More videos, please! I'd love to see the pins leave the lift and get oriented (orientated?) as well as see how the pins are aligned in the lift.
I'll be posting one that shows that soon.
What a beautiful piece of engineering! I wish I had the space, and the money. But I have been spreading the word-of-mouth (and of Facebook) on the Ball Bowler, so ya never know. Maybe one or two of my wealthier friends will put in an order!
Thanks Gene. I would love nothing more than to send you a check for $500. Best of luck to both of us.
Dude you are my idol! This thing is so cool!!! I wish I could afford one for my basement!
This is so awesome!!
Question... will the cushion be sturdy enough for impact of the ball and pins if someone happens to throw it faster?
You can throw it as hard as you want. I've tested it several times.
Awesome! Awesome! Awesome! Man I wish I could afford one and had the room for this!
How much room do you have? We can shorten the lane if needed, which also reduces cost.
@@coasterp2199 Thanks! Right now no room at all!
Great update! If pins are worn down, will they still re-align well on the belt? You covered it briefly but how does it ensure that the pins are deposited on the belt facing the right direction every time?
Even worn pins will be aligned correctly. I will cover the whole aligning process in the next video.
Very nice.
Looks like you moved into a larger space. Are you planning any extended testing runs to finalize design modifications?
Rest in piece to the ball auger! I loved that design but using the elevator does save on parts.
I thought I caught a glimpse of it, but are you using some time of ball kicker built into the elevator frame to eject the balls but not the pins? On the Sherman duckpin machine it's a very similar design except our pin and ball kickers are spring loaded to more accurately decide what is pin and what is ball (since the balls are only .25 of an inch larger in diameter)
It was a little tricky to get it all working due to the size difference between the ball and pins. Having the ball and pins closer in size would have actually made things a lot easier.
Are 2 balls able to fit onto an elevator shovel? Or if there is 1 ball and 1 pin does it eject both? Also what happens if pins get caught in the elevator or a shovel gets caught does it have anyway to detect a jam
@@nicholaslloyd5623 Two balls could fit on a lifter (shovel as you called it). A ball and a pin will not fit together. If there is a jam, the drive system is designed so that the drive belt simply slips on the drive motor pulley. I do not have a way to detect if there is a lift jam. It would show up as no pins being spotted eventually.
Sweeeeet!
Would it be possible to have computer control the turret to bypass openings and only drop selected pins for spare shooting? Run the machine with only 10-12 pins to keep from getting backed up since you would only be setting a few pins at a time.
As it is now though, I know I would be spending too much time playing this thing all day!
Yes it is possible to configure the machine to only set certain pins. It would be a custom upgrade and add quite a bit of cost to the machine. If someone wants it though, it can be done.
this is great
This is fantastic stuff! .. It is important for the bowling industry to develop a better, more efficient way of pin setting. String pins are not going to save the bowling industry (they suck). In fact, I think string pins are ultimately going to hurt the bowing industry. It is paramount that we develop much more efficient and simplified free fall pin setting machines that require much less maintenance and energy to operate. I look at current pin setter designs and just shake my head at the incredible complexity. Lots of room for simplification and improvements. I have my own idea of potentially using electro magnets, but that would require a modification to pin manufacturing. However, my electro magnet idea would remote about 80% of the moving parts of a current design.
Also, it looks like you have the room but would you be able to reverse the direction of that ball return track to accommodate odd and even lane setups
The ball return can be put on whatever side a buyer wants. It is also designed to easily serve a pair of lanes too.
A lot of improvement from 2 years ago till now. So are you mass producing it now? And how would 2 lanes hook up to one game?
We are building to order. As for the ball return, depending on what a buyer wants, we can have a ball return for each lane or a shared ball return in the middle. The entire system is very modular and allows for customizing very easily.
When I get my future house..... WANT!!!
I love all your improvements except for the ball return. Would be a problem if there were a few "full deck" circumstances and the lift keeps shutting off.
he was running 22 (at least) pins in the machine...if you only run 20 then there would be no chance of the turret shutting off the elevator
@@riverdealer Jan is correct about 22 pins being run. On occasion the lift does shut off for a couple of seconds. It has not impacted operation though, as typically the ball is back before the sweep goes back up on first ball, even if the lift did stop for a couple of seconds during the cycle.
the Pins that go up the lift that are backwards how does the machine put them on the conveyer belt so that they fall off bottom first?
Orientation of the pins is based on the belly of the pins. It doesn't matter which way the head is facing as they are brought up.
@@coasterp2199 yeah but how does the machine make them all base down on the conveyor belt?
How much does it cost? I may want to get one :)
Our current list price is $22,900, plus shipping and installation. If you would like me to give you a formal quote, please contact me through the contact page on our website: www.minibowlinglanes.com. Thanks, Phil
Shut up and take my money (if i had it lol). This is awesome. The engineering is very nicely done. Do you happen to have a pricing catalog of the accessories and equipment?
You can find pricing on our website www.minibowlinglanes.com
Phil, near the end of the vid what part of new York did you say?
COCG D3CR1PT3R he said Rochester
Thanks!
COCG D3CR1PT3R No prob
coastersp how do you get the mini bowling balls and bowling pins
I sell the mini pins and balls can be bought from Epco Manufacturing.
Question: How many pins are in the lane and machine altogether?
i.e. on the lane, in the pinsetter, etc.
We use 22 pins. I've run it with 20 and it's still very fast but every now and then a pin sits in the middle of the disk in the pit. With 22, it's never an issue if this does happen.
@@coasterp2199 Thank you 🙂
How much do these go for and what is the space needed for one?
We can customize them to meet length available. The minimum area you would need is 20 feet long. Our current price is $24,900, plus shipping and installation. Please contact me at ballbowlerinfo@gmail.com if you would like more information.
Hello how long is the lane ?? Do u make and sell them ? But the most important question how much do they go for if u do sell them ?
Our standard lane is 28.5 feet from "foul line" to rear of the pinsetter. While we recommend a length of 35 feet to put a standard size lane in, we can also easily customize lanes to fit in areas as short as 20 feet. We are the manufacturer. Each lane is custom built to meet the buyers requirements. Our current price for a standard, base model lane is $24,900. You cab find more information on our website: www.minibowlinglanes.com or contact us a ballbowlerinfo@gmail.com.
@@coasterp2199 ok i don't have that much but i do appreciate the response back. I hope in the future i will be able to get one. I used to bowl but it got to expensive for me. So i still want to bowl when i seen ur lane. I was like that would be awesome to get and have but i will have to build up my money for one.
very cool machine how much one cost???
Our current list price is $22,900 for the whole lane. Shipping and installation are extra. You can find all the information on our website www.minibowlinglanes.com
And also how do you want us to get in touch with you to come see it?
Joe the pro I emailed him and were scheduling when I can come see it
COCG D3CR1PT3R okay thank you
Joe the pro No problem
Any Idea of the cost when you make available
These are currently available. Price at the moment for a standard full length lane is $26,500. You can find more info. at www.minibowlinglanes.com
It’s like the Brunswick pinsetter
It looks a little bit like them but operates very differently.
I wish I have this pinsetter
You can buy one from here: www.minibowlinglanes.com
What would I do if I have $125.000.000
What happened if the pin move off spot but the pinsetter cant pick it up what happens
The machine runs through an offspot cycle. The deck goes back up and then the sweep also goes up. It's all automatic.
@@coasterp2199 ok
Ohh can u also do a video of a whole game?
Check my other videos. I already did that.
Well one with the improvements to the pen center and the new scoring
Pinsetter
7:48
This looks like A2 Pinsetters
It looks a little like an A2 but it works much differently. This machine is actually patented.
I would so buy one but my mom won't let me
How long is it overall
28.5 feet. We can shorten them to meet your needs if you don't have the required space.
How much does one of your mini bowling lanes cost
We are no longer producing lanes due to COVID supply issues and inflation.
Are you still making these?
I will consider custom single lanes.
@@coasterp2199 how can I message you?
@@MajorChubbageOfficial ballbowlerinfo@gmail.com
How does a Bowling Pinsetter Work?
Lock here >> ua-cam.com/video/Iod6uwUGM2E/v-deo.html
How much is thiscand do pins react like pba?
Pin action is just like full size. You can see the cost here: minibowlinglanes.com/ball-bowler-mini-bowling-lane-pricing/
why not the pinwheel
I couldn't gain enough height with a pinwheel.
you should work on a full scale machine to stop the string machines from taking over
My machine can easily be scaled up. The problem is too many people buying bowling lanes today know very little about bowling. They think you install the lanes and print money. Even the string machines need maintenance.
Do you want to make another mini bowling machine?
I want to make many more machines. Just need more people to buy them.
My son is building one
Any videos of it?
So basically years ago you thought of a mini pinsetter and then decided you actually were going to produce one?
Once every change/update is done and the pinsetter is 100% completed you should do a video showing every update starting from scratch
The design is 100% complete as you see it. I do not plan on making any other changes. As for showing all the updates, the videos posted previously do show most of what took place. There have been several sweep revisions for example.
Also did you think of a mini pinsetter and thought you were going to do it?
@@christopherrodmell1694 Yes. I planned to build a half size bowling lane and a pinsetter to go with it. Once people started seeing videos and commenting, I decided to design it for sale, which is why it took so long to complete it.
Impressive.....I would like to find a building that houses at least 10 units. I live in a small town called Cottonwood, Arizona, and there's absolutely nothing for teenagers to do. I also think that this would be great for the elderly and the young kids, as there is a ten pin bowling alley about 20 minutes away, but the balls are heavy. This would be ideal for a lot of groups. Please contact me. Stephen Garner.
Steve, I sent you a message. If for some reason you didn't get it, please go to our website and contact me through there: www.minibowlinglanes.com Thanks, Phil Kaiser.
$22,000.00?! Why did you make this so expensive?! My dad's never going to buy this!
You should see the price of the full size lanes. They're more than double.
@@coasterp2199 I already know how much the regular-sized lanes are. I'm talking about this machine.
@@elijahrosado3816 It's actually harder to make something work in miniature. Most people don't realize that. You have half the tolerance you have on a full size pinsetter. our machine is actually much more precise than a full size machine.
Okay, so, it would take months if other people wanted to build something like this, and to get it to work correctly?
@@elijahrosado3816 Yes, months to years.
First
Get custom crown pins
8:15 your finger was in the way
Oops. It happens.
Coasterp somebody stole your video
Who?
@@coasterp2199 Pharaoh khafra
Search up Pharaoh khafra pinsetter
@@lindamartin7145 I'm aware. I reported him. Of course youtube jumper right on it...not. I've reported again. maybe they'll do something this time.
@@coasterp2199 thanks, I reported Pharaoh khafras channel too, hope they take it down.
@@lindamartin7145 I tried to report, but YT won't let me without claiming it's mine, so I refused to continue. Apparently, YT won't take it down, and that sucks!