Subaru AWD Redeemed?! X-Mode/VDC/CVT hill test!
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Subaru AWD Redeemed?! X-Mode/VDC hill test! - Авто та транспорт
Another awesome review of your Subie Forrester . . . I really liked your approach of not taking a running start at the grassy hill. So, you genuinely tested the available Subie all-wheel drive modes - I'll need to watch the finer details a couple times to fully absorb the options I should select in my current model Outback. Keep the videos coming :-)
I think i solved the problem.
When you are on a steep hill try pressing the gas pedal firmly for 1 second and then add more throttle. What you are doing is giving a chance for the belt to grab and not slip. When you put the pedal to the metal in order to climb a hill the belt wants to slip. Thus causing the ECU to cut engine power to prevent belt slippage.
So i think either get a slow rolling start or firmly press the pedal for a second to give the CVT a chance.
Its kinda like a clutch system. You have to let go of the clutch but you dont do it instantly. You first reach the "biting point" and then let go completely.
If Subaru wants to have a CVT it obviously should incorporate a very much needed low range like the cvt atv's have.
I agree
Yeah, my 4cyl Jeep YJ had less power than a Crosstrek, but in 4low, it would run out of traction before it ran out of torque on a dirt climb.
@@RKmndo exactly, and a really steep and long hill won't overheat the transmission because the transmission isn't putting out anymore work than it normally does in high on flat ground.
So I've been thinking about the issue with the CVT just bogging down.
I think it may be counter intuitive but I might try LESS throttle. It's just a thought that someone suggested but the logic makes enough sense to experiment.
All the times that I've bogged mine down and just had it 'stall' with no wheel spin is when I've had it floored.
All the times that it's just climbed up like a little mountain goat are when I was between 25-75% throttle.
Just a thought.
Keep up the good work!
Hmmm... I'm very skeptical, but it's definitely worth a try. I think I'll air down and give it a go next time I'm out in this area. Hopefully the snow isn't on the ground.
Dude, thanks for watching and stopping by to offer some thoughts. Love your channel.
What you say makes perfect sense if the CVT was programed to protect itself then less throttle would mean less chance of it going into a “stall mode”. I’ve owned 6 Subarus now and loved them all. My current car (2015 Outback 3.6r Limited) has the high-torque CVT. I haven’t gotten that to stall yet. Subaru is very good at making vehicles that do things that few other vehicles can do and they make them reliable as well. Part of making things reliable is to make sure they don’t destroy themselves. Honda is good at making automatic transmissions that eat themselves.
@@porsche558 Maybe back in 2004. Now they're good to go. Their engines are leagues better than Subaru's though.
Very nice video ! you have a very clear understanding on these Subarus!! There is a learning curve to these cars! they get a lot of bashing because of a lack of understanding.
I love your videos. You do a great job filming and editing. Car mounted cameras would be beneficial.
In defense of TFL videos, they seem to have the same criticisms as you do. Need more power (2021 answers this) more torque. And the CVT needs improvement. I am glad I found your channel because you do approach your reviews from a different angle. Pun intended.
I have a Subaru 2014 and really like the CVT for my highway driving. I think Subaru should add the startup gear thing to their CVT for offroading operation that Toyota just released on their CVT for luxury vehicles. This way you would get the wheel spin. and solid driving.
Great vid. Great points. More power.
I have a 2015 Outback 3.6r with the awesome 3.6 liter H-6 motor. Subaru put in a “high-torque” CVT in that which is great because it allows the car to tackle harder environments than the 4 cylinder models. I think what might help the 4 cyl Subarus would be if they just used the beefier CVT from the Forester XT and WRX in all of the non 6 cylinder models.
We don't know this for certain, in fact there isn't any information that supports the ECU permitting more torque to the wheels in similar scenarios as these. I'd hope that would be the case, but we don't know that's true or not.
Great test
I got stuck in a huge snow drift and found similarly that none of my wheels were spinning under full throttle. At the time the car was new and I hadn't considered turning off VDC. From what I've read at least that's a good first step if you dont want to limit wheel spin. I always leave VDC on for regular driving but not for getting out of my snow-filled driveway. I see from this video things are a bit more complicated that that.
Yeah, if you need wheel spin, which is usually recommended in mud, snow, etc then you will need to turn VDC off.
Not sold on CVT yet. I'll stick with old school for now. Tear that thing up! : )
I apprecieate you beating up your car for these videos.
These real-world tests give me faith in my new 2020 Forester.
Also, It would be cool if Subaru let you test the 2019 with the revised X-Mode, in that same place/scenario.
Kiss Kiss yes! The X Mode on the 2019 has the deep snow/mud which allows wheel spin.
I was curious about that too. wonder if it would make a difference?
The xmode in the 2019 is more ch better I know I own a sport been fantastic thus far and 100% stock has gone through shot I didn’t think it would
Wolves Den Gaming same
I have been driving subarus for years, have owned 3 and I can say I will never buy a new Subaru now. Why would they put a cvt in it, makes me sick.
Hill climb needs a special direct drive foolproof stump pull mode. You could damage something in the old days if you kept that low mode on.
The cvt is the only thing keeping me from buying a subaru =(
Buy a manual then
Great video. I just bought a '15 Outback 3.6R so am enjoying all the UA-cam content about them and especially XDrive and lifts. BTW, that tan thermal looks military? :-)
Aka the waffle top. Those are the best cold weather gear
What did you do to make your Subaru it sound like that?
What kindof cross bars are those on the roof? Thanks
My Honda Ridgeline with VTM-4 only works up to a speed of 18mph. Fun Video good stuff.
QUESTION? There on the farm, is there any sink holes from lead mining years ago? In Potosi/Rockville, Wi. across the river, Kuster Farms has lots of holes open up into an abyss below.
No sink holes and no mining in this area per my knowledge. This one is in Central IA. I think the most the mining you find out East.
I wonder if this is where the "High-Torque" from the turbo comes into play. Sure it is STILL a CVT but again, higher torque clamp force..
I wondered the same and wish I could test it!
A couple things that continue to baffle me...
First being when people say they turn VDC off. That button is for traction control, you can't turn VDC off. What we've seen in other makes/models for years is that since VDC is still active TC can still be intrusive. Even in the off position, especially at slow speeds, and even on flat ground. In these situations the vehicle with open diffs actually starts to work against itself while it hunts for traction using the brakes.
Second is anyone who continues to blame the CVT because this is not the fault of the transmission. I don't know where this got started but just like 'VDC off' someone somewhere said something and it just stuck because people didn't know any better.
I've been taking my 15 Outback off road since shortly after I bought the car new. Understanding how the nannies work and how they can can limit you is key to getting around. I'll be very curious to see how X mode 2.0 will perform in these same situations.
VDC is not traction control... it is a combination of several systems that monitor wheel spin, throttle control, vehicle position and movement relative to the steer direction, etc. Yes, you CAN 'turn VDC off'. This doesn't disable all systems that encompass VDC, but it will disable or at least limit how much the ECU limits throttle input essentially permitting more wheel spin and RPM.
The ECU is limiting throttle input to protect the CVT. Period.
It’s not simply the ECU HighjakSecondary, it’s still active traction control. The car will spin wheels all day long at higher than crawl speeds. From a stop or at low speeds, even on flat ground, it will remain active. We know this because if you pull the fuse for TC it will spin in your video conditions as well.
A locking front and rear diff and no nannies probably would have crushed the hill like a kid stomping a cricket on a sidewalk.😅
Not using momentum is a good way to test. I'm now curious what would happen trying to start on a high traction (dry asphalt) but extremely steep surface. Are there hills where you have the HP/Torque but the drivetrain disconnects to protect the CVT
ua-cam.com/video/oaxggGLwWHE/v-deo.html
The video speaks for itself.
The CVT is perfectly fine.
Its just that the tranny is not made for heavy modifications I guess. There are a few man from the local Subie group that have stock 2014 Foresters and do crazy snow climbs. They all turn off the Traction Control and X-mode and use L gear.
Good video
What size KO2 are you using?
See, this is something I have yet to see anyone test the new Subaru Ascent. I suspect because it is rated to tow 5k, and has significantly more power, that either the transmission is different, beefed up, or programmed differently. I have seen a video of the Ascent pulling a 4,500 lb boat up a 30 degree muddy boat ramp (was not paved) and it was putting the power down to keep it moving. I highly suspect due to Subaru having to beef up the CVT for the higher HP and tow capacity on the Ascent, it will in turn do better in this exact scenario. Now just need someone to test it.
Potentially yeah. It'd be a fun test.
Seeing as how Subaru has built a “high-torque” CVT already and put it in the 6 cylinder Outback (2015 up), I’m going to guess that is what went into the Ascent. Given that the new 2.4 liter turbo 4 cylinder engine in the Ascent makes 265 horsepower and the 3.6 liter 6 cylinder makes 256 horsepower it would stand to reason they used the same transmission in both.
As far as I have heard the CVT in the Ascent is the same that is in the late model XT's and WRX, but is equipped with a transmission cooler.
I am thinking of buying my first subaru forester and looking at the 2008-2012 versions and if possible an XT version.You reckon those would go further with the simple tranny compared to the ones now?
Hard to say. Would have to do an apples to apples test. Technically the XT CVT which is the high-torque CVT should be tougher, but I don't know if the ECU is nerfing it the same way and at the same torque it would for the N/A models.
No kidding about the TFL video. At least when they made it up the hill they sort of admitted they didn't give enough credit. They do better with truck vids.
TFL hates subaru..... they do nothing to hide it.
@@lfish21. - The Outback here suffered the same shortcoming as the TFL Subaru - it simply “stalled”, and was unable to spin a wheel at WOT.
I saw another video where a fuse “for the computer system” was pulled, and the car performed like any open-diffed 4WD - dirt went everywhere! It did not stall.
Seems to me Subaru has gone overboard with its electronic controls.
The lower-end Jeeps have a system that operates in a functionally same manner, and it outperforms the Subie system in situations like those in this video.
I have not driven the newer dual X-mode system, but from what I’ve heard, that new build addresses many of the shortcomings we viewed here.
@@sking2173 for sure. One of those things where 99.99999% of Subies will never see more than a gravel road. So the electronics that they have will never limit those folks.
I currently own 2 subarus (outback and Forrester) and never had a time that I needed x mode. But also, I have never been on more than a dirt/gravel road.
Would slightly holding the brakes help to lock up the CVTs AWD?
No. In fact, it would likely do the exact opposite. The computer needs to see the wheel spin in order to react appropriately. However, in this case there really wasn't any wheel spin anyway.
This is why I got a '17 FXT instead of a 2019 Forester, I want the extra torque. 258 lb-ft in the XT, versus 176 lb-ft in the 2019, and 174 in your 2015, it just isn't enough in the NA models. I wish Subaru would do something about it, but unfortunately mass appeal will almost always beat enthusiast's needs
Torque has nothing to do with this test. The issue here is the ECU limiting the power sent to the wheels and there is no evidence to support the FXT functions any differently. The FXT however does have a "high torque CVT" in order to handle the higher hp/torque of the turbo CVT Forester and WRX, but again, there is no evidence right now that supports the idea that the ECU is functioning any different in a scenario such as this.
So you are thinking for CVT vs open diffs being the problem? I will have to think about that one for awhile. I have had similar episodes in the Crosstrek, but in the end I have been able to make it up my "problem" hills...To me it seems like on the Crosstrek anyway, that the wheels spin like crazy, but just don't grab...if we had a way to "lock" the real wheels together maybe it would work? cool Video brother.
I am also curious if the 235's weight is robbing a lot of torque as well?
Here I believe the problem lies solely with the CVT not being tough enough to handle this torque and Subaru playing it safe to protect the transmission. The 4EAT would spin all the way up to full throttle and max RPM on this hill. I don't believe it's related to the diffs at all. Granted, having lockers would help loss of traction, this wasn't even an issue with traction so much. It was an issue with the ECU not allowing enough power to get to the wheels to even spin them once on the side of the hill. I honestly question if the Subie could do this grade of a hill when all 4 wheels had traction. Wish I had a way to test that theory. Or potentially with X-Mode it's doing such a good job at recognizing the loss of traction that wheel spin is minimal to none thus the ECU isnt' allowing the needed torque on essentially 2ish wheels. I feel like the former is more true though.
I'm not convinced the tire size is killing that much or any of the hill climbing ability here. Having seen these issue occur on a few other CVT Subies to include TFL's Outback which was completely stock all around, I don't think the tires have much to do with this one.
Cool man, something for me to mull over. Appreciate the video. Great job.
Cool, just throwing it out there.
I'd love to get an XT but the CVT worries me. Just seems rather unreliable and it just seems far too complicated. Wish they just kept the 4EAT box or had the manual dual range option.
HIll climbing without speed gain needs to be done with xt model that has the right amount of power for such things
. For the 2.5 or 2.0 need more speed gain or original wheel and tire size for the cvt to work properly in this case.
Try climbing this same hill in a sport mode with traction off and xmode off) works for me on similar hills.
Speed gain? You mean momentum? This isn't a momentum test as anything can over this with enough momentum, but as you can see it made it up.
I have a 17 and I keep thinking some tires and a small be it’ll be great etc but then I see this I’m im just 😮. Definitely thinking I’m gonna trade it for a gx now. Jesus I can’t imagine seeing a hill and flooring it and just feeling helpless like that. Totally blows
Yep! Not impressed with the Subaru CVTs.
I find sport#, helps
No such thing on this model/year.
Shots fired! lol
The XT is the only variant for this type of test.
I don't wish they'd beef up the CVT. I wish they'd just use a geared transmission.
The downside there is that they simply won't get the MPG with the standard tranny and with all the regulations these days improving the overall fleet fuel economy is becoming high priority. For off-road use the standard tranny is definitely better/tougher... but what percentage of buyers push their vehicles to this limit? 1%? Less? Likely. Thus whether we like it or not I think we're going to have to just get used to the CVT and hope they do some solid improvements in years to come.
@@HighjakSecondary Yeah I get it. I've just never liked CVTs. Some are better than others, but ugh...I have heard that some company is supposedly developing a CVT that can handle more torque. That's likely going to be the best bet for Subaru moving forward.
@@thedefinitive6296 i think nissan is working on a high tq cvt. looks really interesting. www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/car-technology/a25412165/nissan-double-toroidal-cvt-explained/
This video clarifies ALL of the things we discussed under the latest TFL outback video... The car somehow understands the slope and cuts the power (torque) to the tranny to protect it.. I was thinking that this is true if VDC is ON but we learned that whatever you do to the settings, it's cutting power.
I think that there is no such behavior if there is no slope...
I agree. The ECU must 'understand' how much torque is being requested by the driver based on throttle input and it's then allowing it or not based on some input factor/s it's receiving to protect the CVT. Disappointing. This was a tough hill and not doable for the older 2010 with 4EAT tranny either, but that model at least would continue to spin tires.. the ECU never cut power with VDC off. My hopes are that Subaru sees owners noting this as a complaint and they beef up the CVT to a point where it can handle more torque.
There’s two ways to spin the tires. Do what Bruceyyy did and disconnect a certain fuse (I’ll link his video in a reply to this comment). The other way, is to have a FXT, put the transmission in sport #, and mash the gas pedal. I’m going to have to make a video about this.
You asked for a more robust CVT and the V6 outbacks and the Forest XT’s have the HT-CVT or high torque CVT. I don’t think it would make a difference, as spinning wheels is pretty and all, but like Bruceyyy’s video explains... Subaru’s AWD system is smarter than us. Just give it more momentum or turn around 😃. Now let me find that link.
Here’s the link:
ua-cam.com/video/xLEyk5Y9fPo/v-deo.html
Time to make new theories
That's a bad idea since removing that fuse completely disables the 'LSD' element of the traction control system and while you MAY be able to spin more wheel you're back to the old one wheel wonder.
HighjakSecondary yeah, I wouldn’t pull any fuses. Hats off to bruceyyy for taking one for the team. What’s the use of spinning tires if there’s isn’t much benefit.
As far as the other method. I believe it’s only available if you have S# mode in the FXT. Engine will rev to redline, the CVT ratio is truly locked, and the wheels will spin. I’ll need to demonstrate this when I get the chance. Thanks for putting in the time to do all the tests. I think too much blame is being put on the CVT, when the blame might simply be on the VDC system. If you’re not going to make it, you’re not going to make it, and the VDC system just wants to let you know. Maybe they should have the car talk to us and say “fail! Send it harder! Use more momentum foo 🤣”.
Lol yep! No kidding. Yeah, I saw that vid of his a week or two ago - good stuff!
Makes me wish they put the HT CVT in all the Subies. Gotta be a cost thing. I still feel like Subaru is using the ECU to limit torque and protect the CVT, but maybe it's poorly programmed and the CVT can actually handle it. If so (which would be great) then that would simply be a quick ECU update at the dealer once a new version is released. Lol - I like the car talk method.
HighjakSecondary not only to protect the CVT, but all the other parts that they have lightened in the drive train to achieve higher fuel economy. The crazy thing is Jeep does the same thing in the renegade and liberty (probably the lower grade Cherokee’s too). TFL has some videos of the Jeep crossovers bogging down just like the Subaru Outback 2.5.
How many miles you got on that forester?
Sitting right around 40k right now. Probably 35k-ish in this vid.
HI Highjack :) In the end you came up to the top because it took more run-up; in the first attempts you climbed too slowly ... the traction of the car doesn't hit anything, it would have happened with any 4x4.
Yeah... as I mentioned in the video it was due to momentum. No it wouldn't have... the issue here is that wheel spin doesn't even occur because Subaru is killing power to save the transmission. Watch the video.
@@HighjakSecondary So a weak product CVT is the issue? Need a more sturdy product so don't have to clamp down so much to prevent their product from getting hurt.. :) ??
wouldn't have happened in a landcruiser, 4 runner, Tacoma, wrangler, landrover... but that's unfair, subaru is not targetting the true off road 4x4 market and it shows by not offering lockers and true off road features.
I just got my first Subaru. And I’m glad it don’t have the cvt
This is so frustrating that the cvt doesnt allow the tires not to move, this is making me not wanting to buy this year forester
Agreed. If you want to do any amount of soft or off-roading I would advise against buying this year Subaru and likely any Subaru with the CVT. Give a look at JonDZ Adventuring channel - he has a Honda Passport and goes into the advantages of that system vs the newer model Subarus.
@@HighjakSecondary Do you know anybody that owns a 2004-2008 forester xt and that has done this same test before? Though the difference in years are a bit extreme the transmission is 4speed auto rather than cvt.
@@dylanschmidt4607 Nope, but it wouldn’t do well. That model sits too low and is an open diff wonder. It would not drive this.
Thanks for calling out TFL
My old 4sp auto forester would do it no problem
Not without a lift and a run off it won't. How old we talking? Open and viscous coupling rear diff old? In that case it'd be a double no.
Love Subaru, but best off road vehicle is still the Jeep Wrangler, Land Rover. I love my Subaru for every day driving and light off reading.
Jeep makes a great vehicle but the Toyota FJ Cruiser is no doubt one of the best off road cars made. Stock the FJ can kill it off road and be a nice daily.
It's not CVT lack of ability to handle torque. It can handle enough torque to spin the tires. It doesn't take much. The computer shuts down when you have wheel spin but no forward motion. It limits you but it keeps you from digging in and getting stuck. Lots of off road and I've never been stuck. Sometimes can't make it but never stuck.
The computer doesn't shut down when there is wheel spin and no forward movement... if that were true these vehicles couldn't pass the two wheel diagonal roller and one wheel roller tests, but they do that just fine.
@@HighjakSecondaryThat's my point exactly! There is forward movement in the two wheel diagonal test since there is traction on two of the wheels. Computer senses this, brakes the spinning wheels and off you go.
The two wheel diagonal test requires much much more torque than spinning the tires in dirt and the CVT handles that just fine. It's not the CVT torque limit. It's the computer shutting it down. If you had enough traction you would move - like you do in the two wheel diagonal test.
If you put all four wheels on rollers the computer would shut it down and not spin the wheels even though zero torque is required.
@@moondoggie481 There is forward movement... but only after the ECU has had time to sort out WHY there is no forward movement initially thus braking the spinning wheels which then results in said forward movement. I'm calling bullshit.. if you put 4 wheels on rollers the ECU is not simply going to cut all throttle... it will continue to search for traction and spin wheels.
Hi @@HighjakSecondary thanks for responses and discussion! Love your channel. I have a lifted skid plated forester too. Curious what you think about this ua-cam.com/video/xLEyk5Y9fPo/v-deo.html Any actual use offroading?
Finally someone gets how it works.....
I agree with you. It looks good but what use is it when shit hits the fan and ya can't get anywhere. 😔
Need wheel spin sometimes
Is yours an XT with more HP and more torque?
No. 2.5i
@@HighjakSecondary ok.... wondering if the extra hp or torque would have made a difference
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The cvt will be subaru's downfall. Vehicles have gone away from utility and toward fuel economy and emissions. Awd or 4x4 in the majority of new vehicles Is just a gimmick that doesn't habe the balls to stand up against a true awd or 4x4 vehicle. This really sucks as I wheel alot, and there's no new sport utility vehicles I'd own because of this whole issue. It's so sad.
Theres literally like 2 offroad suvs the 4runner and wrangler. Then some trucks
Prior marine? I see the FROG gear haha
Former Army. :D We called 'em "Waffles".
Waffle and ninja suits are the way to go lmao saved my ass in below 14 degree weather
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Don't roast the CVT or the center diff...
TNTNight This isn’t how you hurt the CVT. The ECU has built in protection as seen here. This vehicle does not have a center differential...
Wow this video talked me out of a Subaru. I really wish the driver had more control over throttle in many off-road situations. This would be a great car with a manual transmission. That CVT just kills it.
Honestly, I've wished for more out of the CVT Subaru's as well, but in the end this is a tough obstacle to overcome for any vehicle without some momentum or lockers. If you really want to drive this terrain often I wouldn't let the CVT talk you out of it, but rather the ground clearance and lack of suspension articulation in these vehicles. I love Subaru, but they don't make any true off-road vehicles.
Prancer cise ua-cam.com/video/pl7w8L7zVyM/v-deo.html
There are channels dedicated to subie offroaders like this one ua-cam.com/video/QRD4l55ypTw/v-deo.html there’s a 2015 stock foz with cvt offroading. If I were you I would rather watch true offroading first before deciding ✌🏻
Great video, but very very bad result... I would by a Forest but now i will get a CRV.... with this kind o result there is no point to buy a Forest instead a CRV
Right.....go buy your junk.....
There's no guarantee the CRV will do any better, in fact it will likely do worse, but you might not be as limited if it doesn't have the CVT. I think the new Rav4s would be a better option than a CRV.
@@HighjakSecondary - My wife decided she liked the Cherokee instead of the Forester because of this problem.
In my JK.....engage 4WD.....drive straight up hill.
until you roll over a cigarette butt and get the death wobble....
@@DRONERAMO Cheap fix compared to unservicable CVT transmission or head gasket failures.
If you want to off-road a Forester, GET THE MANUAL TRANS.
John C. Thompson There are cons to the manual as well. Since there’s no low range getting started in difficult low speed terrain I can be very hard on components to include the clutch, suspension, etc. Give that Black Bear Pass video a watch with that early 2000s manual Forester. It’s cringe worthy, yet fun.
@@HighjakSecondary I agree, too hard to go slow. I sold my 2010 Forester for 2018 Grand Cherokee Trailhawk mainly for Low Range, rear locker and 32" tires w/o lift. The forester had better cargo space, visibility and handling (my hands would be tingling after a long drive but I was connected to the road). It would climb great, but if crawling up long steep hill and I needed more gas there was none. I miss the forester, but the stock trailhawk is amazing.
The answer is simple. Get a dual range gearbox, DCCD and a rear e-locker. You won't even need off road tyres. ua-cam.com/video/r2s5J0jwGiQ/v-deo.html
Quit feathering the throttle on your approach to dramatize the video...
Wut???
now I know why you owned so many Subaru's , you beat the crap out of your cars and for what possible gain ?
To do something that you likely know nothing about - to learn ...
Just shortened the life of the CVT by 50,000 miles.
Should have bought a wrangler
you know that you can't tackle this simple hill because your tires are too big. if you had stock or skinny tires, this would be a simple task
Ditch the CVT Subaru. I would like to buy my wife one of your cars. Not with a CVT though.
Ебат т вы долго ;))
Aaaaannnndddd..that's how I burned out my transmission on my 2015 forester 2.5
And that's the reason why I wouldn't buy a Subaru. It sell with a technology package that it's not doing really anything.
If that's your takeaway from this then I bet you don't work a job making enough money to afford a Subaru anyway.
@@HighjakSecondary Yeah I know people have a strange perception towards Subaru’s They actually offer so much for the money and so underappreciated
dumbest off road test possible
Hey fanboys get yourself a 2020 Toyota Rav4 TRD Pro.
A RAV4 would go up with ease.
i know waiting for my title to come in from the state. going back to toyota
CVT killed Subaru
Go look at sales......
Cvt sucks,
X mode on vdc off ppt on cjp off ddtvvt off jyz on XXX mode off LGBTQ+ mode on = Subaru.
Engage 4WD and lockers if needed = Jeep
And that's the reason you don't buy a Subaru !!!!!