Kailash Nadh, CTO

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  • Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
  • Welcome to #ScalerPod by Scaler where our host Arnav talks the leaders of the biggest tech companies from India about software engineering challenges they are solving!
    About Dr. Kailash Nadh
    Dr. Kailash Nadh, Zerodha's CTO is famous for his countless side projects on his github, his blog that thousands of software engineers follow and for building the tech infra at Zerodha that is run by only 35 engineers but supports over 1 crore traders! Let's talk with him about hacker culture, working on open source projects, and how to scale up tech and tech teams with common sense
    What is Software Engineering?
    Software engineering is a branch of computer science that focuses on the design and development of computer systems and application software.
    Software engineers are experts in programming languages, software development, and operating systems and they use engineering principles to create software.
    Who are software engineers?
    Software engineers are experts in programming languages and software development, and they use engineering techniques to produce software.
    Coding projects
    A coding project is a task or problem that can be solved using a programming language. These projects can range in complexity and scope, from simple scripts that perform a specific function, to large software applications with many features and capabilities. Coding projects are often used to learn new programming skills, develop solutions to real-world problems, or create software for personal or professional use.
    What is a tech stack?
    A tech stack is a combination of programming languages, frameworks, libraries, and tools used to develop a software application or platform. It includes both the front-end and back-end technologies, and can also refer to the specific versions of each component.
    #zerodha #scaler #podcast
    Timeline
    00:00 Teaser
    02:10 Intro
    03:00 A day in the life of Kailash Nadh
    05:00 Writing code as a CTO
    06:30 How to react to regulation as a Fintech team
    09:40 Maintenance windows and reconciliation/settlement time for trading apps
    13:20 How Zerodha manages with such a small team of 30 people in tech?
    22:00 Tech Culture at Zerodha's Tech Team
    25:00 How engineers can grow more to learn product/business domain
    33:00 Why all companies must focus on better tech culture
    35:00 Team dynamics that make tech teams grow better
    39:40 Learn technology by building projects
    46:00 Kailash's dns.toys side project and why he made it
    50:30 Arnav's sharetime side project
    54:45 Open source is important for engineers as well as orgs
    1:04:00 Getting started with open source for those new to it
    1:07:00 Hacker culture among Indian engineers
    1:17:00 Open-source is, in a way, altruism
    1:21:00 Future of tech in fintech domain
    1:28:30 Why Zerodha picked Flutter for mobile?
    1:36:00 (Arnav ranting about hyped up tech stacks 😅)
    1:38:00 Zerodha's backend tech stack
    1:46:00 When Zerodha first started using Go lang
    1:49:00 Database choices, and Clickhouse and Postgres
    1:52:00 Managed services vs doing things in-house
    1:59:00 CI/CD setup at Zerodha
    2:04:00 How to take good tech-stack choices early on?
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 148

  • @SCALER
    @SCALER  Рік тому +18

    Do check out our earlier episodes of SCALER POD
    1. Amod Malviya (CTO Flipkart, Founder Udaan) - ua-cam.com/video/KBy7CYOqjNU/v-deo.html
    2. Jiten Agrawal (CTO CARS24, VP Hotstar) - ua-cam.com/video/-eK4CxBvZqY/v-deo.html
    3. Subhash (CTO Dukaan) - ua-cam.com/video/a5kKRtMmhzQ/v-deo.html
    4. Jacob Singh (CTO, Grofers) - ua-cam.com/video/QEZMSbeziEw/v-deo.html

  • @1littlecoder
    @1littlecoder Рік тому +84

    I'm almost at the half way through the podcast. While Dr. K's Engineering philosophy and approach is a very well-known wonder, I'm genuinely impressed by Arnav's impromptu questions and comments from his personal experience. I can see Arnav's improvement as an interviewer from the first episode, this is quite commendable. Great work Scaler team!

  • @abhimanyusaxena
    @abhimanyusaxena Рік тому +69

    I'm already hooked to the calmness of hearing Kailash speak, and the depth of knowledge! Can't wait!

  • @shivamsingh1221
    @shivamsingh1221 Рік тому +27

    This series would have been incomplete without Kailash Nadh. Thanks for bringing him.

  • @akashgoyal722
    @akashgoyal722 Рік тому +8

    Highly underrated guy
    He is the man behind Zerodha’s success!!

  • @kaverimurthy
    @kaverimurthy Рік тому +35

    Didn't realize that 2 hours went by. It is difficult to be simple these days!

  • @Shubham-zm9xj
    @Shubham-zm9xj Рік тому +29

    The depth to which this podcast went could have been only possible because of the interviewer's knowledge and questions, Great stuff Arnav. This podcast is gold. The last 30 mins gave me value worth 10 Sys Des courses.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      That's awesome! Thanks! 😄

  • @ShivaSomapur
    @ShivaSomapur Рік тому +22

    I usually don't play videos > 10-15 mins but chose to play this one just because Dr K was in it. And I'm glad that I opened it. Two hours passed like so quick. Changed my entire perspective on how I think in terms of designing my systems. Its all about first principles from now onwards.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks! Keep an eye out for more such videos! 😃

  • @vivekshah2867
    @vivekshah2867 Рік тому +20

    Kailash Nadh is an inspiration. He know how to solve a problem. Too good.

  • @Hasaber8
    @Hasaber8 Рік тому +5

    What a beautiful podcast, Kailash’s voice and pace is so soothing. And his knowledge base is so vast!

  • @shubhkcodes
    @shubhkcodes Рік тому +26

    Being stuck in WFH culture since about last 2 years and not being able to get insights of real engineering culture.
    These podcasts have been proving boon for tech community(who all are actually hungry)

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Glad this was helpful! 😃

  • @sm-vr9xo
    @sm-vr9xo Рік тому +11

    Man such folks should teach us languages, frameworks, projects, and all. He should be ytuber.

  • @vijaytembugade
    @vijaytembugade Рік тому +3

    I have been inspired from K and always look forward to understand his perspective of engineering. There are lot more to learn from him.

  • @damercy
    @damercy Рік тому +3

    Kailash Nadh really drove the idea of building from scratch & getting into the rabbit hole. Inspiring stuff, thanks a lot for this Arnav & Scaler. ❤

  • @kumarmanket
    @kumarmanket Рік тому +5

    Kailash what a brilliant engineer and the quality of questions Arnab ask 👏🔥

  • @SurajSharma-dr2lw
    @SurajSharma-dr2lw Рік тому +7

    By far Scaler has delivered a GOLD !!
    Dr. K - GOAT

  • @SCALER
    @SCALER  Рік тому +3

    Can't wait!

  • @lalitvavdara5841
    @lalitvavdara5841 Рік тому +7

    Awesome, kailash is an inspiration!! Very insightful podcast!

  • @bas5rocker311
    @bas5rocker311 Рік тому +10

    Nice to know elliot from Mr.Robot is now CTO of Zerodha

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      😂😂😂

  • @sounishnath513
    @sounishnath513 Рік тому +6

    Kailash Nadh sir is very unique. He is inspirational, wondered, and great philosophist. Countless things we can learn from him. I came to know him from the very unique and great solution for large newsletters and mailing service he made - ListMonk. Pranam sir. ❤🙏

  • @PrateekNarang27
    @PrateekNarang27 Рік тому +10

    Absolutely Gold, must watch for hungry techies. Great work Arnav, and Kailash's story is really impressive.

  • @MrAvinashss
    @MrAvinashss Рік тому +4

    Awesome podcast 👍🏼 Kailash is an inspiration 🙂 and Arnav himself is a genius guy and a host.. asking and highlighting important topics for the
    techies. Great work Scaler 🤗

  • @palaninathanrajee4064
    @palaninathanrajee4064 Рік тому +2

    wow what a person humble clarity on thought great long live

  • @priyakumariop
    @priyakumariop Рік тому +5

    Such a beautiful content here! Keep it up my friend! You're allowed to scream, you're allowed to cry, but don't give up! Keep going! You are great with what are you doing! It deserves all success around and I don't forget to give my full support for you!......

  • @namangarg3933
    @namangarg3933 Рік тому +12

    Absolute gold.
    @arnav: Asking the right questions is an art and you nailed it really well.
    And, the way Dr K expounded upon the concepts was mind-blowing.
    Thank for hosting this.
    This was a great learning opportunity.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Glad this was helpful! 😃

  • @hiranyavenkataraman1222
    @hiranyavenkataraman1222 Рік тому +6

    I just want to say, huge shoutout to the interviewer for asking such in depth and well researched questions

  • @-rpm
    @-rpm Рік тому +5

    Things that stuck with me from this interview:
    - A: How can a 30 people tech team build a company as large as Zerodha? Dr. K: It's less about technical skills but how closely people gel together, and have fun while building things, technical skills come later. My thoughts: Trust on team mates is the key predictor to success.
    - Dr. K: We can't break down creative functions into units, so it doesn't make sense to me when someone says building something takes 6 human units. My thoughts: Companies should focus on having lean / efficient processes, head count is a weak predictor of success. Examples quoted whatsapp, zerodha.
    - There is no tech-enabled business anymore, now all business are or have to be tech businesses.
    - Go (language) was pretty helpful in blitzscaling Zerodha (low latency, high throughput)

  • @astrix8812
    @astrix8812 Рік тому

    Beautiful Pod! Absolutely loved how they managed to talk about most of the aspects of software development.

  • @CUXI
    @CUXI Рік тому +2

    awesome podcast. I am not a developer, but i like postgresql so much that given i was not able to contribute to postgresql as a developer, i try to provide support on slack. In the beginning i had this thing around what would a community of 20k people think about my opinion on a problem, but the postgresql community is so awesome where everyone is able to give an opinion. That way, if the solution is not great, someone then jumps in to update the answer with a more correct version. That was the best way to get involved with the community with my hours of support with whatever i know or can discover and learn more to help.

  • @rahulsbhatt
    @rahulsbhatt Рік тому +6

    I feel so validated when he said he started with writing python scripts and doing automation 😍.
    Anyways, such a brilliant conversation you guys had, learned a lot.
    Thanks Scaler for posting this 🙏❤️

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thank you so much! Super glad to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @akhilsahu_
    @akhilsahu_ Рік тому +3

    this podcast is satisfying 😌

  • @amitawasthi2826
    @amitawasthi2826 Рік тому +2

    Thanks a lot. Great learning.

  • @sandeep6452
    @sandeep6452 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for the podcast!!

  • @prakharmj
    @prakharmj Рік тому

    Just wish I could think for myself and create architecture like Kailash does. Great Talk.

  • @themeniacs7376
    @themeniacs7376 Рік тому +8

    Crazy man, the best CTO podcast i have seen♥️

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @automateddude
    @automateddude Рік тому

    The Team formation knowledge is great, thanks!

  • @yafiwala
    @yafiwala Рік тому +3

    currently working on Db design and System Design for my project

  • @rohitkamra1628
    @rohitkamra1628 Рік тому +2

    Amazing it is...

  • @jaydharamshi8358
    @jaydharamshi8358 Рік тому

    This podcast is GOLD. Thank you so much Dr. Kailash and Arnav for sharing your knowledge and inspiring us engineers to think of problems from first principles.
    I'm truly inspired by your views on Open Source Software contribution and having that itch to tinker and build solutions that solve real life problems. I now have a deeper understanding of why people contribute to open source project and the fulfillment they get from it.
    Thanks #ScalerPod team. Keep up the good work!

  • @roshanhegde
    @roshanhegde Рік тому

    The phrase most by Dr. K and the biggest takeaway from the interview "First Principles" lovely interview so pleased to know about the thinking process of the mind behind the tech behind the markets 👍

  • @akshayashok391
    @akshayashok391 Рік тому +3

    Great podcast

  • @greatmentors391
    @greatmentors391 Рік тому

    its a delight to hear Kailash talk and its a pain when the hosts talk

  • @mukulr5171
    @mukulr5171 Рік тому +4

    Kaafie Lit 🔥🔥

  • @baibhabmondal1740
    @baibhabmondal1740 Рік тому +1

    Finally!

  • @ayushkhandelwal8284
    @ayushkhandelwal8284 Рік тому

    Gold mine of knowledge.

  • @GreenSyntax_
    @GreenSyntax_ Рік тому +1

    Thanks for this video. You can see the passion when he talk about his pet projects. Biggest take way is FOSS and Best programmers in this world are the self-taught programmers.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thank you so much! Super glad to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @technav
    @technav Рік тому +1

    In Sales. But listening to K is subscribing to a masterclass

  • @aashishgoyal1436
    @aashishgoyal1436 Рік тому +2

    Kind of stuff we need. Kudos to scaler and Arnav

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks! Glad this was helpful! 😃

  • @himanshupratap29
    @himanshupratap29 Рік тому +2

    Such a wonderful podcast. Enjoyed throughly. So many take aways.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks! Keep an eye out for more such videos! 😃

  • @multid22
    @multid22 Рік тому

    great Convo, got lot of ideas and information.

  • @niksud
    @niksud Рік тому +2

    Superb insights ,well researched questions great time listinging the conv for a techie like me.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks! Keep an eye out for more such videos! 😃

  • @nakulbageja2232
    @nakulbageja2232 Рік тому +4

    This is so informative. Loving it. Thank you🙌

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks! Glad this was helpful! 😃

  • @abhnvrmn
    @abhnvrmn Рік тому +9

    Really inspiring content, easily the best podcast style deep tech conversation I've seen anyone anyone doing in this country. This has to become more common. These podcasts also contribute in enabling the engineering culture.
    Great work.

    • @ArnavGupta
      @ArnavGupta Рік тому +2

      Thank you Abhinav!

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      That's awesome! Thanks! 😄

  • @amanksdotdev
    @amanksdotdev Рік тому +1

    I've watched 2+ scaler pods of CTOs and one common thing they all say including Arnav is learning by building.

  • @sashankdeb7337
    @sashankdeb7337 Рік тому +1

    He is the man behind Zerodha's success

  • @user-kt6ql5xe9j
    @user-kt6ql5xe9j 4 місяці тому +1

    Very informative 👍

  • @narutokunn
    @narutokunn Рік тому +1

    What a fantastic interview. Thanks for this

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @geekySRM
    @geekySRM Рік тому +1

    Woah

  • @spat6922
    @spat6922 9 місяців тому

    This is the best thing I saw this weekend.. thank you

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  9 місяців тому

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @ragsbigfella
    @ragsbigfella Рік тому

    Respect!! 🫡

  • @syedmuizzahmad
    @syedmuizzahmad 5 місяців тому

    Awesome

  • @SnakeCaseGuy
    @SnakeCaseGuy Місяць тому

    Sometimes re-inventing the wheel is a great way to move forward blocks.

  • @saisumithchetpally2460
    @saisumithchetpally2460 Рік тому

    Kudos to team Sacler and Arnav.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Thanks a ton!😊

  • @Ankit-vt1ps
    @Ankit-vt1ps Рік тому +4

    the chad tEcHbRo Dr. Kailash:
    "Thanks for providing me with an avenue to vent"
    super nice job video editor 😭

  • @SubscriptionPostbox
    @SubscriptionPostbox Рік тому

    He and his team has literally built the product from scratch. Also he has managed all other tools/software needed for business process also inhouse thereby saving millions for the organization. I hope he has enough equity in the company to make him also billionaire :)

  • @yourengineerbro
    @yourengineerbro Рік тому

    Great Podcast

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому +1

      Thanks! Keep an eye out for more such videos! 😃

  • @iamsmitthakkar
    @iamsmitthakkar 11 місяців тому

    Last question should have been - what is the first principle ? 😉
    Other than that, loved the deep dive into tech stacks and CI/CD. You got a subscriber !

  • @harshpersonel6300
    @harshpersonel6300 11 днів тому

    Kailash sir can be a good teacher perhaps

  • @yogeshbhandakkar8808
    @yogeshbhandakkar8808 Рік тому +1

    Loved it.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @YashRaj-ce1rh
    @YashRaj-ce1rh Рік тому +2

    Super insightful !

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @AkshayPaunikar
    @AkshayPaunikar Рік тому +2

    There should be some way to work with such companies and people's even if it is for free you will get so much to learn

    • @ArnavGupta
      @ArnavGupta Рік тому

      Contribute to Dr. K's open source projects no? That's the best way to work with him :)

  • @sagarkanojia
    @sagarkanojia Рік тому +1

    🤩🤩🤩🤩🤩

  • @Sarah-ft8jr
    @Sarah-ft8jr Рік тому +1

    I believe this man is the founder of cv maker. Warning to anyone who is duped into paying a small fee for a cv template, you’ll be charged unknowingly every month £15 and when you try to cancel they demand more money from you.

  • @OneLastWo
    @OneLastWo Рік тому

    1:14:00, A big issue with big tech companies is they want to be efficient and the typical leet code / design interviews are currently the most efficient way to hire someone. Although efficient, it isn't the most accurate. I have seen people who ace the typical interview but daily performance is much weaker comparing to people who did well on the interview. Trial week isn't something new. In fact it is the go to approach in many non-tech industries like culinary, electrician, renovation, and etc. Yes it is a longer approach but it allows the team to work with the candidate and therefore provide a better view of the candidate. With the massive redundancy layoffs, it may be a signal for companies to start adopting this "new" way of interviewing, or at least something similar.

  • @somayajisubs
    @somayajisubs Рік тому +1

    Don't no how many people fell into angular js framework and regretted then saved by vue /react.

  • @younusfarveaz8983
    @younusfarveaz8983 Рік тому +1

    I loved the chat. Amazing video.

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  Рік тому

      That's awesome! Thanks! 😄

  • @shwetatiwari7910
    @shwetatiwari7910 Рік тому

    where else can i find out podcast where folks are genuinely talk about application development like K does here?

  • @ramak.prayaga8000
    @ramak.prayaga8000 Рік тому

    👌💫

  • @ManideepReddykanduri
    @ManideepReddykanduri Рік тому +1

    How the open source culture is endured by the capitalists in US and if the culture has just faded out in India or US as well, now that the business teams have caught up with tech unicorn businesses! How would that effect the average pay scale of Engineers across different stages of product development and allow them to try something new, or cater resources for something new, when open source scales up and comes as a cheaper and easier alternative!?
    And the concept of one has to keep growing once they start, is the core pillar of capitalism, to sell more we need to pump more money or keep printing more money for that reason. The ultimate application of tech or full scale adaptation would result in cost reduction across the value chain of consumption economy and that should bring some kind of deflation?
    Like the current state of Japan..?

  • @harish8231
    @harish8231 Рік тому

    🎉🎉🎉

  • @xae1229
    @xae1229 Рік тому

    Yeah

  • @abhishekgupta7231
    @abhishekgupta7231 Рік тому

    Hey Why are you not making a playlist of it. It will be easy to share for scalar POD talks.

    • @ArnavGupta
      @ArnavGupta Рік тому

      Here it is ua-cam.com/play/PLLhBy6YSIT0DjPC-a9j-Alz21GHOjzrVe.html

  • @kk-uk9hg
    @kk-uk9hg 11 місяців тому

    This is my third time watching this POD

    • @SCALER
      @SCALER  11 місяців тому

      Happy to hear that! 🙌🏼

  • @souravkumarsahoo1779
    @souravkumarsahoo1779 Рік тому

    😍

  • @sumacshekar6111
    @sumacshekar6111 9 місяців тому

  • @khushaltrivedi9829
    @khushaltrivedi9829 Рік тому +1

    can u pls invite rushbh mehta also on ua podcast? One of most FOSS spreader built frappe and erpnext

  • @allunderoneroof3974
    @allunderoneroof3974 Рік тому

    What is the website which Arnav built for share time?

  • @filmilaal
    @filmilaal 11 місяців тому

    Good

  • @jeringeojoseph187
    @jeringeojoseph187 Рік тому

    uff,what a maan.

  • @sunilsharma8509
    @sunilsharma8509 Рік тому

    Good-One, Key Points 2:00:23.

  • @JasleneSerranoj
    @JasleneSerranoj 2 місяці тому

    It's a boon for the self-traders, it doesn't affect the mood, it's just that the returns are so low

  • @bhavneetsingh5864
    @bhavneetsingh5864 Рік тому

    Flutter + Golang ❤❤

  • @everyonetravelauniquejourn8752

    Interviewer struggling to come to a question , what we hear more are um , like , you know ,just ,like ,like ...but answers are Cristal clear

  • @abharti
    @abharti Рік тому +4

    at one point you realise lots of this architecture selling stuff are consultants or consulting business being insecure about themselves

  • @Joe-qv2jo
    @Joe-qv2jo Рік тому

    Was there no intro or personal questions

  • @animeshparihar7630
    @animeshparihar7630 Рік тому

    Interviewer : Please stop saying like like like .....
    Kailash is an ideal engineer everyone should look upto

  • @riskylovers
    @riskylovers Рік тому +1

    36:20

  • @shreyanshsinha37
    @shreyanshsinha37 Рік тому +1

    Plz bring Arpit Bhayani in future.

  • @_parassolanki
    @_parassolanki Рік тому +2

    30 passionate people will beat 1000 not passionate people in the company.

  • @nitinkale4985
    @nitinkale4985 Рік тому

    I want to follow the interviewer on twitter..Can somebody plesase tell me his name?.