It's so unfortunate that Capcom abandoned the "meter selection" system in subsequent titles. The ISM system was unbalanced in SFA3 - due to V-ISM being broken -, but the Groove System in Capcom vs SNK 2 was a step in the right direction.
@@legefy Yeah but you could still be competitive, also could add to the longevity of a game. The amount of time invested you would have to spend to become great with timing/skill with all the groves, pretty rewarding. But I remember growing up was rare seeing someone using P grove, but when they did you knew they were dangerous.
DUDE, I LOVE THE GROOVE SYSTEM! I mostly play C or A groove, but I hella love N Groove, too. So much fun to be had. P is supposedly the worst groove, but apparently this guy is nasty with it! Haha.
Parry gods are always terrifying because everything you know is suddenly wrong, you're forced to abandon your rhythm and timing and every unsafe move your foe throws is a TRAP.
I'm trash at this game but I absolutely love CVS2, the groove system just allows for so much freedom of expression and can make some characters who are bad in some grooves be godlike in others. I really love this game. Thanks for the content JWong, I'll take CVS2 ANY DAY!
After playing _CvS2_ for the first time in years just a few weeks ago (albeit the PS2 version), this'll be right up my alley; I never was very good at parrying and just customized my "EX" style to utilize 'em.
That's the thing! When I was practicing it in Training Mode I had a _much_ easier time parrying in _CvS2_ than I did in _SFIII!_ 🤪 So I figured _maybe_ I could use the former to train for the later… (Heck, if I can Guard Impact in _SoulCalibur_ I should be able to parry, right? 🥴)
Chun Li, Yun, Ken, Ryu, Evil Ryu and Akuma from CVS2 are I think the last original fighting game sprites Capcom made. While yes, the KOF characters ALL have new sprites in each CVS game, it seems obvious in CVS2 that they made the SNK ones first as they don't look as good as the characters I listed. After them, Capcom seemed to then make ones of characters that had sprites they couldn't rip from Alpha like Maki, Kyosuke and Eagle or Darkstalkers like Morrigan (which will always be hilarious due to how out of place her sprite looks in the game compared to everyone else). Finally, it looks like Capcom decided to remake the sprites of the characters that were in Third Strike as opposed to ripping them out of the game (maybe some type of compatibility issue) like they did most the other Capcom characters which could explain their higher quality since they knew that they were going to be the final characters in the game to make and it was mostly shotos and 2 of those were just different versions of Ryu.
Justin you must organize and host a fighting games competition ! With all fighting games like DOA, MK, KOF and SF , Samsho etc... not only new by also old ones ! I m in bro
Justin: "Don't press any buttons because, you know, you are scared at random parries... like that... like that... like that..." 3 times in 5 seconds!!! O__o
Dumb question, does using 3 bar for a lv 1 canceled into a lv2(or vice versa? I forgot the rules for C Groove super cancel) does more damage than just landing a lv3? I see Justin prefers chaining 2 supers rather than just a lv3
For most characters it's more beneficial to do level 2 to level 1 super instead of level 3 super. In most cases doing a level 2 into a special move is more than sufficient.
Nah i don't think so. CvS2 has a bigger appeal than MvC2 for being more accessible and because of the brands. There are people who just don't get into the Marvel system. And in my case, i even prefer KOF to SF so my favorite type of team system is turn based instead of tag based. I respect MvC but can't play it. And speaking of brands, only in the u.s MvC is a huge thing. The scene is modest in JP, while CvS has a fairly lively scene since the beginning until today (for a 20 y.o game). And lastly JP has a bigger SNK appreciation than the u.s, where it's pretty much nonexistent in the old school arcade culture.
@@carlosaugusto9821 It's not a thought. I was there. No one played CVS2 over MVC2 in the day. CVS2 died early, MVC2 stayed big and that's casual. At tourneys, MVC2 also dominated CVS2. In mass market appeal Marvel was well known with well known characters for decades while SNK is still niche today. Sales wise MVC2 also beat CVS2. Finally, Marvel has massive fan campaigns for a return anytime it's gone too long which thus far have always worked. CVS still has yet to return due to Capcom and SNK not thinking it would be financially viable. Your comments are not only wrong but opposite of what has actually happened.
really tight at the end, that was a great set 👌 👍 👏 except too bad i got like 4 advertisement breaks, with 2 ads each, throughout your video, bro...boo 😠😓 that's why i never click on your videos. i just let them preview-play in my feed as I'm scrolling down UA-cam. no commercial breaks at all. that guy has great parry punishes!!
This guy is playing 3S with all those buffered parries all over the place. And, idk how many frames it is, but it's way tighter to parry stuff in general in CVS2.
Im my intire life I used only one team - Sakura Ryu and Kyo using K groove using the strategy for be punched for my oponent and winning the match by special mooves with absurd damage lol
I've done fluke parries that just came out of nowhere in 3rd Strike. So I think they just know how to control their fluke parries or just have better luck at landing the "I didn't mean to parry" type of parries.
It's crazy how much this looks like mugen to me. I think people have gotten pretty good at making Mugen assets. Then again, almost all the assets come from games like this in the first place.
Yeesh. THat parry play reeked of option select (tapping F [neutral] D before every normal move), which is why that style of Parry mechanic needs to never return. I'm not convinced the player was actually anticipating everything that Justin was doing. Is it impressive to watch? Absolutely. But to actually play against that is maddening.
Shoutouts to the people who still lab this game! :)
The FGC is amazing, sad i suck at fighting games
Shoutouts to the people who lab, PERIOD. I ain't got time fo dat shit.
Still booth up my ps2 only to play this gem
@@blackhaze5144 So many memories... One of the best of all times!
Team Yare main here, and am building the offline Dutch cvs2 community back on its feet. :)
It's so unfortunate that Capcom abandoned the "meter selection" system in subsequent titles. The ISM system was unbalanced in SFA3 - due to V-ISM being broken -, but the Groove System in Capcom vs SNK 2 was a step in the right direction.
I dont know man. It just seems like an insane amount of work for both developers and players to wrap their heads around and even more to balance it.
K groove is kinda broken.......
I like the idea but in practice you'd always have a single optimal groove or style.
@@legefy Yeah but you could still be competitive, also could add to the longevity of a game. The amount of time invested you would have to spend to become great with timing/skill with all the groves, pretty rewarding. But I remember growing up was rare seeing someone using P grove, but when they did you knew they were dangerous.
DUDE, I LOVE THE GROOVE SYSTEM! I mostly play C or A groove, but I hella love N Groove, too. So much fun to be had. P is supposedly the worst groove, but apparently this guy is nasty with it! Haha.
Parry gods are always terrifying because everything you know is suddenly wrong, you're forced to abandon your rhythm and timing and every unsafe move your foe throws is a TRAP.
I can tell this guy is a monster because Justin was playing super carefully against him. Haha. Those parries looked UNREAL, bro!
I can beat him well some matches lol ! NB been playing fighting games since 96
I'm trash at this game but I absolutely love CVS2, the groove system just allows for so much freedom of expression and can make some characters who are bad in some grooves be godlike in others.
I really love this game.
Thanks for the content JWong, I'll take CVS2 ANY DAY!
Loving these video showcasing these monsters that aren't really known in the west, keep them coming!
They are actually. Also they have tournies/casuals often Bas and a few other stream alot
I would love to watch the entire set, bro. Mad skills with P-groove from that opponent. I really love to watch CVS 2 peak pro fights!
After playing _CvS2_ for the first time in years just a few weeks ago (albeit the PS2 version), this'll be right up my alley; I never was very good at parrying and just customized my "EX" style to utilize 'em.
You can opt for Just Defend instead if parry is too hard for you, the worst thing that could happen is you block normally....
That's the thing! When I was practicing it in Training Mode I had a _much_ easier time parrying in _CvS2_ than I did in _SFIII!_ 🤪 So I figured _maybe_ I could use the former to train for the later…
(Heck, if I can Guard Impact in _SoulCalibur_ I should be able to parry, right? 🥴)
That Geese combo at the end had my jaw on the floor....
12:28 I was ready for the lets go Justin
So was I. I would've been on the floor if he got Daigoed in CvS2.
If Justin did a master class for fighting games I'd sign up immediately 💯
Chun-Li's sprite is so badass in this game
Chun Li, Yun, Ken, Ryu, Evil Ryu and Akuma from CVS2 are I think the last original fighting game sprites Capcom made. While yes, the KOF characters ALL have new sprites in each CVS game, it seems obvious in CVS2 that they made the SNK ones first as they don't look as good as the characters I listed.
After them, Capcom seemed to then make ones of characters that had sprites they couldn't rip from Alpha like Maki, Kyosuke and Eagle or Darkstalkers like Morrigan (which will always be hilarious due to how out of place her sprite looks in the game compared to everyone else).
Finally, it looks like Capcom decided to remake the sprites of the characters that were in Third Strike as opposed to ripping them out of the game (maybe some type of compatibility issue) like they did most the other Capcom characters which could explain their higher quality since they knew that they were going to be the final characters in the game to make and it was mostly shotos and 2 of those were just different versions of Ryu.
Nostalgia guy: remember the 27 hit parry in CVS2. I think it was a teammate of Daigo back then.
that comeback was crazy and that damage geez dude geese a monster with the right hands.
P-Groove Cammy. That’s my jam.
amazing games Justin!!
Justin you must organize and host a fighting games competition ! With all fighting games like DOA, MK, KOF and SF , Samsho etc... not only new by also old ones ! I m in bro
Congrats on 200k
The Kyosuke slander will never NOT be funny 😂
Why did they make him SO trash in this game lmao
Somebody hated Kyosuke being good in Proj Justice 😂
Just said the truth
Good ole P-groove, my best and only groove I use! I like the way this guy plays!
Parries might be harder in CvS2 overall, but parrying Chun's super is free in this game.
Good game Justin you won this was close I would like to play this game and learn the basics
Great set of videos these are Justin respect GOAT 🤜
Let's go Justin
congrats on 200k justin!!
Ive always loved this game. Where can you get CvS2..cant find it anywhere
This game is timeless, never get old💚💚💚
I have issues fighting Geese with Chun. Geese just so scary and his st HK is so good.
Love how cursed the KOF characters look doing the parry.
Same with Capcom characters doing the KOF dodge. Lol
Justin: "Don't press any buttons because, you know, you are scared at random parries... like that... like that... like that..."
3 times in 5 seconds!!! O__o
Dumb question, does using 3 bar for a lv 1 canceled into a lv2(or vice versa? I forgot the rules for C Groove super cancel) does more damage than just landing a lv3? I see Justin prefers chaining 2 supers rather than just a lv3
yeah it seems to be lead to more damage , levl 2 cancelled into level 1 is the right order
For most characters it's more beneficial to do level 2 to level 1 super instead of level 3 super. In most cases doing a level 2 into a special move is more than sufficient.
Capcom vs Snk 2 is a underrated classic it was overshadowed by Marvel vs Capcom 2 😀
I mean other then having versus in the name the games are pretty different.
@@michaellopate4969 They were out around the same time so people naturally flocked to MVC2 more since it was the bigger deal.
Nah i don't think so. CvS2 has a bigger appeal than MvC2 for being more accessible and because of the brands. There are people who just don't get into the Marvel system. And in my case, i even prefer KOF to SF so my favorite type of team system is turn based instead of tag based. I respect MvC but can't play it. And speaking of brands, only in the u.s MvC is a huge thing. The scene is modest in JP, while CvS has a fairly lively scene since the beginning until today (for a 20 y.o game). And lastly JP has a bigger SNK appreciation than the u.s, where it's pretty much nonexistent in the old school arcade culture.
@@carlosaugusto9821 It's not a thought. I was there. No one played CVS2 over MVC2 in the day. CVS2 died early, MVC2 stayed big and that's casual. At tourneys, MVC2 also dominated CVS2. In mass market appeal Marvel was well known with well known characters for decades while SNK is still niche today. Sales wise MVC2 also beat CVS2. Finally, Marvel has massive fan campaigns for a return anytime it's gone too long which thus far have always worked. CVS still has yet to return due to Capcom and SNK not thinking it would be financially viable.
Your comments are not only wrong but opposite of what has actually happened.
Good use of Morrigan's theme from CvS1.
No cheap W's if you play P-groove. Good stuff =]
Impresionante, un magnifico duelo de Titanes
That red mic is so sick!
That Geese ….sheesh
that was a great game mr. wong ☺️
JESUS... that p groove guy was a GOD. dude was like psychic.
How are you playing this with other people? What platform are you using?
Oooooweee Justin just uploaded *grabs popcorn*
C-Groove is probably the one I'm more familiar with/used to it.
C groove is good for building up meter for super combo moves
Can you daigo parry in cvs2?
@Justin you should fight a guy called Flabber on fighcade, he is a beast with P groove
Is there a food recap? What is the food situation.
really tight at the end, that was a great set 👌 👍 👏 except too bad i got like 4 advertisement breaks, with 2 ads each, throughout your video, bro...boo 😠😓 that's why i never click on your videos. i just let them preview-play in my feed as I'm scrolling down UA-cam. no commercial breaks at all.
that guy has great parry punishes!!
Is this on Fightcade?
Yes
No I played in Japan
@@jwonggg oh gotcha! Thank you!
What’s jwong’s favorite sf?
My Man has a parry button hahaha
Bro the only way you're gonna see anyone winning with Kyosuke is if you watch Project Justice instead LMAO
A game that needs to have a port on modern consoles with online play
Snk vs capcom 2? Lets gooooooo 😃😃😃😃
This guy is playing 3S with all those buffered parries all over the place. And, idk how many frames it is, but it's way tighter to parry stuff in general in CVS2.
Kyosuke with K groove is a beast
Is there a known "best" K groove user? That was the one I used the most and would love to see it.
Where can you play online arcade games ?
Fightcade
He didnt even try to super this guy. He knows japan got it
Im my intire life I used only one team - Sakura Ryu and Kyo using K groove using the strategy for be punched for my oponent and winning the match by special mooves with absurd damage lol
Ggs Justin
I learned what p groove does and how fuckin buggy it is, and im surprised people use it. Hell i use it, but then learned why you never should
i love cvs 2 so much
One of the best games
This was the last good Capcom Fighter to ever come out. End of an era. But glad peeps keep the fire alive!
ill always like for CvS2!
Very spicy
Capcom vs snk3 when?
That’s probably the best Goose best player I’ve ever seen.
🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Less frames as well. you have to be faster. It is wonderful if you succeed though.
Parrying Justin is the new black
i wish someone would parry justins camera into a better camera
That looks like a hitbox user ("parry buttons").
They are playing on arcade machines
@@carlosaugusto9821 Oh, I just assumed it was the usual fightcade setup.
P GOD
His Geese is really sick!!
But Justin's Sagat is just better..👌👌
how are u playing online ?
It's offline. But there's a way to play online too via fightcade.
I personally think the P groove is the best. When it's full the super special combo move you perform will be at maximum power, you can party & run.
Basically X-ism
@@ShaneDouglas713 I remember the A groove of CVS2 is the equivalent to the A ISM of SFA3 & the Excel from SFEX2 Plus
@@joshualowe959 No A Groove is V-ism, C Groove is A-ism...
@@ShaneDouglas713 oh...thanks for the correction. However I was still right about the A groove being the equivalent to SFEX2 plus' Excel.
@@joshualowe959 Yeah it is
I've done fluke parries that just came out of nowhere in 3rd Strike. So I think they just know how to control their fluke parries or just have better luck at landing the "I didn't mean to parry" type of parries.
Parries take skill. So much skill
SNK2!!!!!
It's crazy how much this looks like mugen to me. I think people have gotten pretty good at making Mugen assets.
Then again, almost all the assets come from games like this in the first place.
I wish he had gone Ken against JWong just ONE round
Balrog vs cammy... You mean cammy vs vega🙄🤔
always more cvs2 justin!
How is someone this ready to Parry ?
Actually
Hibiki could be really good in p groove 0-0
Hibiki is already pretty good too, so I could see that exasperating her already pretty turtly style.
P-Rugal is the best P groove player imo
Wei is my fav
Yeesh. THat parry play reeked of option select (tapping F [neutral] D before every normal move), which is why that style of Parry mechanic needs to never return. I'm not convinced the player was actually anticipating everything that Justin was doing.
Is it impressive to watch? Absolutely. But to actually play against that is maddening.
Of course Justin is getting parried in a game that isn't Third Strike
I'm the 2 ND one here
Wei is one of the best P groove
I am the best p groove in the world
Hahaha!!! Your ass is comedic.
1st comment.. Smash like..
This the game I want to practice on but how to get a good fucking version