yep this is a must buy for me, been wanting a synth company to do something like this for a couple years, Korg to the rescue and another great video by loopop! Congrats on the book mention!
Duty cycled pink noise can be used with spectrum analysers to check the absorption and reflection parameters of a room when setting up a studio as you can send a noise pulse into the room and then see what comes back during the silent period. You can then use this information to a: add sound absorption if an area is sending back something nasty, and b: balance the sound of a room using graphic equalisers. Pink noise is used because it's closer to the response of the human ear than white noise.
"Pink noise is used because it's closer to the response of the human ear than white noise." -- no, you're thinking of grey noise. Pink noise is used because it has the same acoustic energy across all octaves. The problem with white noise is that, because it's equal loudness across the spectrum, higher-frequency sounds sound louder than lower frequency sounds - 70dB of soundwaves vibrating 1,000 times per second has a lot more energy than 70dB of soundwaves vibrating just 100 times per second.
While writing this I heard increasing bleeps from the vid and thought Loop became his old G self swearing off 😁 Really useful and most of all fun and boosts the nerd level, also the gadget form factor in general is really nice. Makes me want a granular NTS
11:26 ❤️ This kind of offhand esoteric joke is not why I watch your videos, but every time I catch a subtle bomb that you’ve dropped it sparks joy. (This is a train wreck of a mixed metaphor. I think I just made it worse. I clearly need to re-watch your mixing videos.)
Very cool! It's really nice to see a music/modular-focused 'scope in a nice portable form factor, and to see the NTS series expanded. In addition to an old analog oscilloscope, I do have a device called an Xprotolab, which is a tiny 'scope - 1"×1.6", with a 1" OLED screen - that's meant to pop into a breadboard, and which I've designed a Eurorack module to house; it does some of the things this does, but not as well. (Sadly, the manufacturer has discontinued the Xprotolab. And to give appropriate credit, Division 6 made a PCB that could be turned into a module similar to the one I'm working on; it was a giveaway at Knobcon 6.) I've found it very useful for all the reasons you mentioned, in addition to my electronics development work.
Could barely contain my excitement. FINALLY. A scope/tuner. Is this a colab with Bjooks? It seems to be the perfect pair- book and scope. Like an invitation for knowledge.
Just got mine today, the standalone unit (no book) and it was simple to assemble. I'm testing it now with Dixie2+, switching octaves, pitch, lfo/vco mode, and using different outputs. There's a bit to learn, but after watching the video and playing around with it for about a half hour, most of it is simple to figure out. I don't have the splitters yet, but patching 4 Dixie waves through my Joranalogue Switch 4 and outputting them through the two switchable channels, I can easily cycle between all 4 waveforms with just a pair of regular TS patch cables, so I can view sine + sub, or saw + flip or whatever combo, at the simple turn of a knob - Rather a nice way to use those 2 channels that I hadn't considered previously. Also interesting to view the odd/even harmonic outs from the MN Spectraphon. Also very handy for tuning multiple oscillators - I can get XPO and Rings and 0-Coast/0-Ctrl all working together in harmony in just a few seconds, or tune them at intervals for use with a sequential switch or shift register. It's a bit battery hungry, I noticed the power indicator drop after just an hour's use with fresh Energizer Max alkaline batteries, with battery mode set to alkaline. I'd definitely recommend using the usb cable as much as possible to save money on batteries. Later on, I'll upgrade to the Mordax Data, but this is a great little starter unit. I'm planning a lesson for my kindergarten students, I'll take in some modules and the NTS 2, and let them play around with either the Tetrapad or 0-Ctrl and see how the visual waveforms change as the sound does. We'll have a box with salt/sand to do the vibration patterns over the speaker cone thing as well, get them thinking about sound as a medium we can interpret with our other senses besides our hearing. If it was good enough for Beethoven, it's good enough for me. It's a shame the screen doesn't port out to an external display over the usb, but we can always film the screen with a cellphone and mirror it. Should be fun. Thanks again, Loopop, for your content. I've learned a ton from your videos.
I like it, good review! the cost is a bit prohibitive to me because the scope I use to just monitor my eurorack was 25$, not 225$. I would give 100 bucks for it because of the advanced features. Also if you have ever used an old school scope the reason you can move the wave forms around is so you can line them up with the time and voltage divisions count how many boxes the wave takes up, and calculate it based on the division settings. this was before the scope calculated it for you. Great fun
So the cheapest (decent) O-Scope I've been able to find is normally in the $300 category... where did you find an O-Scope for $25? I do have one I'm building for ~$70 but that's primarily for building other electronics projects. Not one dedicated to CV and Audio with 3.5mm jacks...
Ah man, when I saw this in the thumbnail I was anticipating a moment, when you got back to the box and picked another panel as a suprise-twist saying: "and if you like to have it IN your Eurorack, here is the conversionkit!". It never came. I am of course seeing the market-niche for a desktop-unit because there is things like the Mordax Data in Eurorack, but I'd really liked it as a contender to that module. Especially the build-it-yourself-approach without soldering and the individual parts as they're picked here were strongly inviting to that idea. May not be Korgs market, but could have been the step to add "that damn modular costumers" to their selling-range even better. Highly subjective opinion, cool thing nevertheless.
That thing is pretty awesome. I have a "real" scope, but it lacks all the cool audio/music specific features that this one has. I don't think I'll buy one, but I'd totally jump on a full-size version.
Does it definitely come with those acrylic legs as a stand if you don't buy it as part of the book package? I didn't get any when I bought the standalone NTS-2, and they're not listed anywhere in the manual. There's a section about adding a custom stand but it doesn't say one is included.
He asked what could the noise pulse-width setting be for, not sure but musically it could perhaps be a sync'd snare or hihat type sound... Digging the features of this as a musically oriented mini-scope from a reputable brand, I wonder when they hit retail?
Yeah, bizarre choice, makes it very hard to use in that mode. Korg is generally pretty bad with firmware updates so I'd be worried about willingness to 'fix' this.
While I'm not into this new line of devices since they are so incomplete (how hard is it to build them into a sturdier case?), it's still nice to see they went with USB-C. Nonetheless, this and the NTS-1 should have been designed into a Volca form factor. That being said, I'm sure this will be useful for some people
I got fed up waiting for this to arrive so I looked for alternatives and found the Vox Mystic edge guitar pedal, a Vox AC30 simulator with a real minivalve and a built-in oscilloscope for £150!
I am surprised that this is not in Eurorack format, with all connections on the front. It could still be tabletop capable, with back panel and rubber feet. It is nice though, providing a lot of useful functions, and a compact format. On the other hand, I purchased a professional two ch. digital scope with 7" screen for less than $300. that use for repairing electronics, and use free app, as signal generator.
I have seen the same thing here. Fortunately, my audio device software allows me to shift the phase so I can see it right. You make a good point if this could be a mistake on the hardware as when I use a software oscilloscope plugin it displays the right way.
I cant make my mind up to get this or spend another £100 and get a Rigol 100hz Oscilloscope? I can pretty much do the same with both but the Rigol has so much more functionality.
Mesmerising stuff. What are the alternatives to Max for Live to generate these “waveforms”? Is there anything free? I’d like to import them into the Octatrack as samples.
@@loopop you a boss thank you, I wanted to avoid the computer completely but I’ll figure it out. Looking forward to using the cross fader on the OT to shift between images.
I bought one and I am having issues. I have all the same settings as you are showing, yet after three different types of splitters (inc Befaco ) I am only able to view 2 wave/triggers at a time. I emailed @korg days ago, but no response.
Did you ever get it to work with a different splitter? I'm having the same issue and only get the cyan and green wave form going. I was about to solder a splitter but I have the feeling the ring of the trs isn't working on both inputs of the nts-2.
Can anyone look at the actual circuit and tell if the inputs are actually connected to the outputs (not the thrus) in such a way that it could be updated to include CV control over the oscillator pitch or envelope triggering? Honestly seems wild to have 4 CV inputs and yet no way to use those to control oscillator pitch or trigger the envelope.
@@loopop Makes sense. I wonder what the resolutions of the ADC/DACs are and if the audio getting analyzed is getting passed through or has to go though a ADC -> DAC process.
It's a toy, aimed at musicians who have never seen a scope, why bother sharing those specs? But yeah, it's telling that they don't mention that anywhere. The FFT resolution also looks very low. They probably used the absolute cheapest of everything that can still sort of work. Judging by the comments here, they'll get away with it.
I thought the NTS-1 was a great little affordable synth/effects unit but the build quality was pretty lackluster, especially the jacks on top, which had very little reinforcement and which seemed to break pretty commonly through nothing but normal everyday use. My audio-in jack was very loosely attached to the board and when it came loose it tore the traces out of the PCB. This one has even more jacks which seems like a critical point of possible failure/damage. Is there any more reinforcement of the jacks or is the build quality similar to the NTS-1?
I can't answer your specific question, but with regards to the weak jacks, what I did with the NTS-1 was build a simple "cradle" with minijack extensions affixed to the base. Then I just leave the unit permanently nested in the cradle - daily wear and tear is displaced to the jacks attached to the chasis rather than the unit itself. bit.ly/3M7K9LF
@@hughhughhughhugh Damn that's too bad. Soldering job maybe? Awesomes little units but too flimsy. Surprised noone has developed a case that solves this issue (at least at scale, I've seen bespoke one-off cases).
@@PhrygianPhrog this, I did exactly the same. Permanent usb cable fixed to the cradle (in my case a piece of wood) permanent trs midi cable. Just be aware you'll have to plug out the audio in extension when not in use as it will pick up noise. Never have to worry about pulling the fragile plugs with headphones. A must for korgs fragile nts-1
@@amoniousbt1110 Hmm didn't know that about the ext in, will bear in mind from now on. I really want to build a foot-operated metal chasis at some point, so much potential as a high-quality customisable/programmable digital FX pedal.
I have a question about guitar ring modulators that no UA-camr presenting them has managed to answer. Since you use oscilloscopes maybe you are the one. My question is this: What is happening exactly when I tune a guitar note so I can hear it at the RM's output? This is logically impossible since the RM's output is ONLY the sum and difference of my guitars frequency and the RM's internal oscillator MEANING the two input frequencies are not present anymore. SO how come I can still somehow hear the frequency of my note? Thank you. ( I hope I'm not too off topic here)
You're totally off topic and I don't have a ring mod pedal so I guess it would depend on which one, but my guess is it has a dry/wet control that lets some of the original signal through
@@loopop Sorry about the off topic thing. But I saw you had a Eurorack set up and RM's are very common in Eurorack, just used differently....I think that if you ever use the oscilloscope to examine what a RM does, you will find it interesting to say the least. It's seems you're not too familiar with them. Thanks for the response anyway. P.S. FIY You usually - in the case of guitar pedal RM's - introduce the dry signal AFTER you have tuned it....otherwise it would be confusing. They are two different things is what I'm trying to say. I don't want to bore you with details.
KORG: "So, which UA-camr should we send this oscilloscope to... is there anyone known for this?" MIRRORS'R'US: "So, which UA-camr should we send this shaving mirror to...." COFFEE COMPANY: "We.. don't have that much money, sorry".
This looks cool, but I'm still not sure 🤔 what I'd do with it. Seems more of a tool for intellectual folk who know what to use it for. What fun dumb stuff can it do for a noobie such as I?
When I first worked in the sound department at a small tv station, back in the late 70’s - early 80’s it was so simple: record to tape, make razor-blade edits until the sound clip was the same length as the video clip it would accompany, then let the video editors sync them up. I’m retiring this year, and as I look back at the changes over the decades (8 track, to 16 track to two-inch 24 track tape to recording direct to disk, finally to recording to, and editing and mixing in a computer) - I am amazed. Sound really has become a science, and audio engineering is quite a technical (as well as creative) thing. This UA-cam vid kind of blew me away. I’m thinking, we used to just assume some mysterious noise in a signal was likely due to electrical flow somewhere. We’d check for overlapping cables, and to make sure the fridge was unplugged, but ultimately had to resign ourselves to the fact that somewhere down the chain, EQ would have to be used to attenuate the approximate frequency range the noise occurred in. But with a scope hooked right to the recording console, you don’t have to so much: “fix it in post”. Brilliant vid here my friend. Thank you.
Nice review as always but I think you missed one of the most important uses for a scope and that is to find out when signals are bipolar or unipolar which can be a headache to figure out the hard way.
This is great and I really want one for my setup but it is a bit expensive when the book is included. I hope they don’t wait too long to put it out without the book. €229 is a lot. Getting it down to €150 without the book would make it reasonable.
230 euro is in par with a good Chinese oscilloscope. Do I need LFOs? No... But a real scope gives options like probes (to check circuits) and (very important) can work with voltages up to 600v.
@@MrDigimal yeah, it's for synths )) But the price seems not fair. You can literally use a cheaper Chinese oscilloscope (Hantek for example) with less precision than OWON and get almost the same results as this Korg's thingie... on a much bigger screen! It will not give you four channels for the same price but it will be re-usable for some serious job (like checking circuits with crystals and etc. they need Mhz freq. ranges).
Bro, you can make a jig and buy a real scope for another 100. I had the volca beats and gave it away then regretted it haha. I got it free though with almost 10k in gear so I can't complain. 300 beans in Canada for it and a siglent can be had for another hundred with built in wave gen. I think my issue with the scope is the build quality. They are making 250 off it after parts. I'm a fan of korg so I hate to dis. What's with the European obsession with electronic music? When I was a kid there was an awesome metal scene with virtuoso level players from Europe. I enjoy building synth circuits but I'm a daily guitar player since I was 14 and take 2 hrs just to warm up. Religiously for over 30 years. I'm trying to find a decent midi keyboard for my daw. Weighted keys preferably.
Other comments say $250 with a book, not sure what the book is tho, and eventually perhaps available for around $150 without the book. Nice book I guess. But $250 seems fairb to me for 4 channels of all the other features.
It seems pretty cool... but OTOH, a professional oscilloscope only costs a little bit more while being far more capable. Or, for simple FFT purposes during sound design, or for tuning, that stuff is pretty easy to do with free phone apps.
For those of you who doesn't have the $250 but still want to start playing around the concept of oscilloscope music, I've built one for TouchDesigner (free software). It has the amazing YX mode, goes up to 4k resolution, and it's fully modifiable.
Korg is so pro-consumer I love them. I would have loved to see a voltage monitoring/reference mode as well. I use the DATA all the time to dial in the range of voltage of a modulator and the voltage reference to calibrate for certain firmware updates. Weird there was no mention of the Seeed Studio DSO Nano v3 which I see as this thing's direct competition other than the through outputs. Internal battery/nice metal enclosure for like $115 and a DIY version for like $25.
You truly have a gift for explaining things. I watch other videos, but you really have such a great way to make it all very logical and clear and simple, no matter how complex the topic.
First time I watched this video I knew I wanted it. Finally got it yesterday and re-watching this video was a must for reviewing all functions. I even got it hooked while watching/listening and it's great to see some of the wave forms here. I do recommend it if you ever wanted to have an affordable oscilloscope for music/sound. Cheers! ✌
So I’m sure you answered this question but I’m not the sharpest tool. Can you send a desired frequencies to monitor through a 3 head tape deck to bias the deck to factory specifications? Thanks for the video. It was great…
I finally got mine yesterday and discovered your video. I then had to remove the Korg book film to read about your patch. I only own iMS20 (iPad softinst) so I did not think I was interested in the book otherwise. 😅
This is awesome! The cheap DSO138 scopes a pretty bad, a Rigol tabletop scope is much more expensive (if I'm correct, the NTS-2 retails for around US$250?) and needs BNC-1/8-TS adapters, and a Mordax Data requires an Eurorack setup. This really fills a gap in the market, and an oscilloscope is like, the best utility one can buy.
for a sec I was mad my NTS-1 was now outdated. But this is a totally different kind of thing. Surprised the generators don't accept midi for freq/magnitude in lieu of note/vel but perhaps it'll be added?
Mordax is a higher quality oscilloscope but yes, this definitely meets a need for an inexpensive basic oscilloscope designed for musicians. It has lots of great features plus an awesome book. It’s a win win!
I’ve been looking for a sine wave generator & oscilloscope to use with my guitar pedals. To get a better feel for what they do. This looks like this might be the perfect all-in-one compact solution.
This channel is so iconic I swear it's become a part of electronic music history at this point
@ Loopop is a staple in the electronic music scene, known for the best in depth gear reviews and tutorials in the industry.
@@AdamsBrew78 sorry never heard of the guy mate , who you talking about again ?
@ You're on his video. Are you ok?
Absolutely
yep this is a must buy for me, been wanting a synth company to do something like this for a couple years, Korg to the rescue and another great video by loopop! Congrats on the book mention!
Me too. I've been searching for something like this for ages!
Cheap Mordax Data. Sold. Just need a eurorack conversion kit.
@@evangilchrist981 😁
Yup yup. Don’t have rackspace for another module. This is perfect for me.
love it i was literally just staring in disappointment at a sold out diy scope kit three hours ago. this looks properly done!
Duty cycled pink noise can be used with spectrum analysers to check the absorption and reflection parameters of a room when setting up a studio as you can send a noise pulse into the room and then see what comes back during the silent period. You can then use this information to a: add sound absorption if an area is sending back something nasty, and b: balance the sound of a room using graphic equalisers. Pink noise is used because it's closer to the response of the human ear than white noise.
Cool
What about time and duty in noise for high hats and snare drums?
@@loopop I'd say today it's more useful to test the response of time-based effects; rev, del, chorus/flange for a while.
When I built recording studios in the 1970’s that’s exactly what we did.
"Pink noise is used because it's closer to the response of the human ear than white noise." -- no, you're thinking of grey noise. Pink noise is used because it has the same acoustic energy across all octaves. The problem with white noise is that, because it's equal loudness across the spectrum, higher-frequency sounds sound louder than lower frequency sounds - 70dB of soundwaves vibrating 1,000 times per second has a lot more energy than 70dB of soundwaves vibrating just 100 times per second.
While writing this I heard increasing bleeps from the vid and thought Loop became his old G self swearing off 😁
Really useful and most of all fun and boosts the nerd level, also the gadget form factor in general is really nice. Makes me want a granular NTS
11:26 ❤️
This kind of offhand esoteric joke is not why I watch your videos, but every time I catch a subtle bomb that you’ve dropped it sparks joy.
(This is a train wreck of a mixed metaphor. I think I just made it worse. I clearly need to re-watch your mixing videos.)
Loopop is an ace stealth bomber pilot
Very cool! It's really nice to see a music/modular-focused 'scope in a nice portable form factor, and to see the NTS series expanded.
In addition to an old analog oscilloscope, I do have a device called an Xprotolab, which is a tiny 'scope - 1"×1.6", with a 1" OLED screen - that's meant to pop into a breadboard, and which I've designed a Eurorack module to house; it does some of the things this does, but not as well. (Sadly, the manufacturer has discontinued the Xprotolab. And to give appropriate credit, Division 6 made a PCB that could be turned into a module similar to the one I'm working on; it was a giveaway at Knobcon 6.) I've found it very useful for all the reasons you mentioned, in addition to my electronics development work.
If there was a visual out this would be next level imagine having it displayed on an old CRT or through a projector
A software scope on a Raspberry Pi would be nice for that!
Could barely contain my excitement. FINALLY. A scope/tuner. Is this a colab with Bjooks? It seems to be the perfect pair- book and scope. Like an invitation for knowledge.
Hey Michael, yes it's a collab - there's a video also on ours and Korg's website :)
Thanks bro. Will definitely check them out. Looking forward to getting this pack.👍
@@KimBjrn I ordered from Sweetwater on May 14, 2022, more than ten months ago. Any idea on an ETA? :) Love my copy of Patch & Tweak w Moog!
In which Loopop drops a casual hint about 432Hz and I'm down an hour long rabbit hole of reading on the topic of tuning…
What do you think is the significance of 432 cycles per second?
Just got mine today, the standalone unit (no book) and it was simple to assemble. I'm testing it now with Dixie2+, switching octaves, pitch, lfo/vco mode, and using different outputs. There's a bit to learn, but after watching the video and playing around with it for about a half hour, most of it is simple to figure out.
I don't have the splitters yet, but patching 4 Dixie waves through my Joranalogue Switch 4 and outputting them through the two switchable channels, I can easily cycle between all 4 waveforms with just a pair of regular TS patch cables, so I can view sine + sub, or saw + flip or whatever combo, at the simple turn of a knob - Rather a nice way to use those 2 channels that I hadn't considered previously. Also interesting to view the odd/even harmonic outs from the MN Spectraphon. Also very handy for tuning multiple oscillators - I can get XPO and Rings and 0-Coast/0-Ctrl all working together in harmony in just a few seconds, or tune them at intervals for use with a sequential switch or shift register.
It's a bit battery hungry, I noticed the power indicator drop after just an hour's use with fresh Energizer Max alkaline batteries, with battery mode set to alkaline. I'd definitely recommend using the usb cable as much as possible to save money on batteries.
Later on, I'll upgrade to the Mordax Data, but this is a great little starter unit. I'm planning a lesson for my kindergarten students, I'll take in some modules and the NTS 2, and let them play around with either the Tetrapad or 0-Ctrl and see how the visual waveforms change as the sound does. We'll have a box with salt/sand to do the vibration patterns over the speaker cone thing as well, get them thinking about sound as a medium we can interpret with our other senses besides our hearing. If it was good enough for Beethoven, it's good enough for me. It's a shame the screen doesn't port out to an external display over the usb, but we can always film the screen with a cellphone and mirror it. Should be fun.
Thanks again, Loopop, for your content. I've learned a ton from your videos.
14:12 As a suggestion, some people would love short noise bursts to test their delays for karplus-strong use cases for example
Nice one!
I like it, good review! the cost is a bit prohibitive to me because the scope I use to just monitor my eurorack was 25$, not 225$. I would give 100 bucks for it because of the advanced features. Also if you have ever used an old school scope the reason you can move the wave forms around is so you can line them up with the time and voltage divisions count how many boxes the wave takes up, and calculate it based on the division settings. this was before the scope calculated it for you. Great fun
So the cheapest (decent) O-Scope I've been able to find is normally in the $300 category... where did you find an O-Scope for $25? I do have one I'm building for ~$70 but that's primarily for building other electronics projects. Not one dedicated to CV and Audio with 3.5mm jacks...
Last time I heard you this excited was in the Hydrasynth video 😂
He sold me then, too....
Looks very useful. Will be buying. Thanks for the video ziv
Still waiting for it to ship on 28th December, vendor gear4music says it ships this week, way hay! Think I’ll believe it when I see it.
Finally a loopop video of a palatable length 😅 (judgement on me not you)
The lack of Sig Gen external trigger is a huge omission. Retrofit 2 CV and Gates on this thing, already !
Ah man, when I saw this in the thumbnail I was anticipating a moment, when you got back to the box and picked another panel as a suprise-twist saying: "and if you like to have it IN your Eurorack, here is the conversionkit!". It never came. I am of course seeing the market-niche for a desktop-unit because there is things like the Mordax Data in Eurorack, but I'd really liked it as a contender to that module. Especially the build-it-yourself-approach without soldering and the individual parts as they're picked here were strongly inviting to that idea. May not be Korgs market, but could have been the step to add "that damn modular costumers" to their selling-range even better. Highly subjective opinion, cool thing nevertheless.
@loopop
welcome to the machine, the pink Floyd song, when you used the tempo synced noise
That thing is pretty awesome. I have a "real" scope, but it lacks all the cool audio/music specific features that this one has. I don't think I'll buy one, but I'd totally jump on a full-size version.
Does it definitely come with those acrylic legs as a stand if you don't buy it as part of the book package? I didn't get any when I bought the standalone NTS-2, and they're not listed anywhere in the manual. There's a section about adding a custom stand but it doesn't say one is included.
Yeah it turns out those are only included in the book combo pack. That'll teach me to buy them separately 🙃
He asked what could the noise pulse-width setting be for, not sure but musically it could perhaps be a sync'd snare or hihat type sound...
Digging the features of this as a musically oriented mini-scope from a reputable brand, I wonder when they hit retail?
woah! i didn't know korg has an oscillator! :) awesome. i'm using a diy kit one ;) but the CRT ones are the best :)
Not being able to turn off the scope while in FFT mode seems like a major oversight, hopefully that can easily be fixed.
Yeah, bizarre choice, makes it very hard to use in that mode. Korg is generally pretty bad with firmware updates so I'd be worried about willingness to 'fix' this.
@@RobBlakeSound I think differently about KORG updating firmware
Watched this and still have no idea why I would require this ever
I snorted when u said to be mathematically consistent with the universe
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Cool and compact!
While I'm not into this new line of devices since they are so incomplete (how hard is it to build them into a sturdier case?), it's still nice to see they went with USB-C. Nonetheless, this and the NTS-1 should have been designed into a Volca form factor. That being said, I'm sure this will be useful for some people
Design a case for them bro, maybe a good side hustle
@@mr_unsane I love your energy
Hi mate, could I send audio through this then out into the mixer to monitor the likes of my Moog whilst hearing sound ?
Sure yes
@@loopop do you know how I would route this mate ?
Either plug the moog into this and then the passthru output to the mixer, or send audio from the mixer to the scope input
Legend
the more i get into electronic instruments, yes
i'm getting into sound design and whatever it takes to make the shit!
I got fed up waiting for this to arrive so I looked for alternatives and found the Vox Mystic edge guitar pedal, a Vox AC30 simulator with a real minivalve and a built-in oscilloscope for £150!
I am surprised that this is not in Eurorack format, with all connections on the front.
It could still be tabletop capable, with back panel and rubber feet.
It is nice though, providing a lot of useful functions, and a compact format.
On the other hand, I purchased a professional two ch. digital scope with 7" screen for less than $300. that use for repairing electronics, and use free app, as signal generator.
What is range of tuner? You went 8Hz, from 440 to 432.
how good it is to detect clipping or distortion. can it be reliable.
Could be an amazing "my first scope" for Arduino projects or schools.
hello why my NTS-2 in XY display mode displays the image upside down ? Do you think this is a manufacturing defect on my device ? THANKS
I have seen the same thing here. Fortunately, my audio device software allows me to shift the phase so I can see it right. You make a good point if this could be a mistake on the hardware as when I use a software oscilloscope plugin it displays the right way.
I do wish they sold it separately from the book.
But why does it have to look like a kit from micro center?
I cant make my mind up to get this or spend another £100 and get a Rigol 100hz Oscilloscope? I can pretty much do the same with both but the Rigol has so much more functionality.
Mesmerising stuff. What are the alternatives to Max for Live to generate these “waveforms”? Is there anything free? I’d like to import them into the Octatrack as samples.
you download a free trial of live for 90 days and make as many samples as you like, check you other product links in the description
@@loopop you a boss thank you, I wanted to avoid the computer completely but I’ll figure it out. Looking forward to using the cross fader on the OT to shift between images.
Wow, looks interesting. 👍🐱
Cool, quite expensive for a cheap looking kit, but still nice to see a stand alone scope from Korg. Can you remove the grid in options?
Super handy. An instantly buy. Anyone know when and where it’ll be available?
Nice device. I'm surprised the inputs aren't on the front.
Where did you get the 3.5 trs to double 3.5 ts adapter?
I think Amazon
@@loopop damn I can't find any :(
Can you tell us how many MSmp/sec and how wide is the bandwith of the oscilloscope/ waveform generator?
I bought one and I am having issues. I have all the same settings as you are showing, yet after three different types of splitters (inc Befaco ) I am only able to view 2 wave/triggers at a time. I emailed @korg days ago, but no response.
My guess is you're using a splitter that doubles the stereo signal, you need an insert type cable that splits stereo to left and right
Did you ever get it to work with a different splitter? I'm having the same issue and only get the cyan and green wave form going. I was about to solder a splitter but I have the feeling the ring of the trs isn't working on both inputs of the nts-2.
I'm hesitating between an OP-1 field or 10 of these
Lol
I want it asap!
Do you know if it's going to be available as a stand alone piece, or do we have to buy the book that accompanies it?
Thanks in advance.
I don't, but judging from yours and other comments seems like there's demand for that!
Can anyone look at the actual circuit and tell if the inputs are actually connected to the outputs (not the thrus) in such a way that it could be updated to include CV control over the oscillator pitch or envelope triggering? Honestly seems wild to have 4 CV inputs and yet no way to use those to control oscillator pitch or trigger the envelope.
Is the wave generator analog or digital?
Everything is digital
@@loopop Makes sense. I wonder what the resolutions of the ADC/DACs are and if the audio getting analyzed is getting passed through or has to go though a ADC -> DAC process.
@@pixelperfecttv1162 I don’t know the sampling resolution, but yes, all the analysis is digital. The pass thru is analog, though.
I am interested in this device as electric engineer
howd you make them mushrooms
see description
THD?
Bit resolution?
It's a toy, aimed at musicians who have never seen a scope, why bother sharing those specs? But yeah, it's telling that they don't mention that anywhere. The FFT resolution also looks very low. They probably used the absolute cheapest of everything that can still sort of work. Judging by the comments here, they'll get away with it.
Lets GOOOO!
Please tell me 0:16 was a Jerobeam Fenderson reference??
for sure :)
@@loopop awesome :))
I thought the NTS-1 was a great little affordable synth/effects unit but the build quality was pretty lackluster, especially the jacks on top, which had very little reinforcement and which seemed to break pretty commonly through nothing but normal everyday use. My audio-in jack was very loosely attached to the board and when it came loose it tore the traces out of the PCB. This one has even more jacks which seems like a critical point of possible failure/damage. Is there any more reinforcement of the jacks or is the build quality similar to the NTS-1?
I can't answer your specific question, but with regards to the weak jacks, what I did with the NTS-1 was build a simple "cradle" with minijack extensions affixed to the base. Then I just leave the unit permanently nested in the cradle - daily wear and tear is displaced to the jacks attached to the chasis rather than the unit itself.
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@@PhrygianPhrog Yeah I wish I'd done that to be honest, by the time I realized what was happening to mine the damage was mostly already done.
@@hughhughhughhugh Damn that's too bad. Soldering job maybe? Awesomes little units but too flimsy. Surprised noone has developed a case that solves this issue (at least at scale, I've seen bespoke one-off cases).
@@PhrygianPhrog this, I did exactly the same. Permanent usb cable fixed to the cradle (in my case a piece of wood) permanent trs midi cable. Just be aware you'll have to plug out the audio in extension when not in use as it will pick up noise. Never have to worry about pulling the fragile plugs with headphones. A must for korgs fragile nts-1
@@amoniousbt1110 Hmm didn't know that about the ext in, will bear in mind from now on. I really want to build a foot-operated metal chasis at some point, so much potential as a high-quality customisable/programmable digital FX pedal.
No filter?
I have a question about guitar ring modulators that no UA-camr presenting them has managed to answer. Since you use oscilloscopes maybe you are the one. My question is this: What is happening exactly when I tune a guitar note so I can hear it at the RM's output? This is logically impossible since the RM's output is ONLY the sum and difference of my guitars frequency and the RM's internal oscillator MEANING the two input frequencies are not present anymore. SO how come I can still somehow hear the frequency of my note? Thank you. ( I hope I'm not too off topic here)
You're totally off topic and I don't have a ring mod pedal so I guess it would depend on which one, but my guess is it has a dry/wet control that lets some of the original signal through
@@loopop Sorry about the off topic thing. But I saw you had a Eurorack set up and RM's are very common in Eurorack, just used differently....I think that if you ever use the oscilloscope to examine what a RM does, you will find it interesting to say the least. It's seems you're not too familiar with them. Thanks for the response anyway. P.S. FIY You usually - in the case of guitar pedal RM's - introduce the dry signal AFTER you have tuned it....otherwise it would be confusing. They are two different things is what I'm trying to say. I don't want to bore you with details.
@@MYGAS21 yes I’ve done plenty of scope demos of ring mod in synths - but on a pedal, it depends how it’s implemented
KORG: "So, which UA-camr should we send this oscilloscope to... is there anyone known for this?"
MIRRORS'R'US: "So, which UA-camr should we send this shaving mirror to...."
COFFEE COMPANY: "We.. don't have that much money, sorry".
This looks cool, but I'm still not sure 🤔 what I'd do with it. Seems more of a tool for intellectual folk who know what to use it for. What fun dumb stuff can it do for a noobie such as I?
Cheaper than a Mordax DATA (less HP too :P )
way cooooooooooool
When I first worked in the sound department at a small tv station, back in the late 70’s - early 80’s it was so simple: record to tape, make razor-blade edits until the sound clip was the same length as the video clip it would accompany, then let the video editors sync them up. I’m retiring this year, and as I look back at the changes over the decades (8 track, to 16 track to two-inch 24 track tape to recording direct to disk, finally to recording to, and editing and mixing in a computer) - I am amazed.
Sound really has become a science, and audio engineering is quite a technical (as well as creative) thing. This UA-cam vid kind of blew me away. I’m thinking, we used to just assume some mysterious noise in a signal was likely due to electrical flow somewhere. We’d check for overlapping cables, and to make sure the fridge was unplugged, but ultimately had to resign ourselves to the fact that somewhere down the chain, EQ would have to be used to attenuate the approximate frequency range the noise occurred in. But with a scope hooked right to the recording console, you don’t have to so much: “fix it in post”.
Brilliant vid here my friend. Thank you.
Nice review as always but I think you missed one of the most important uses for a scope and that is to find out when signals are bipolar or unipolar which can be a headache to figure out the hard way.
I thought the most important usage was to find easter eggs in Aphex Twin's music?
@@virus2003 Ha! Touché!
This is great and I really want one for my setup but it is a bit expensive when the book is included. I hope they don’t wait too long to put it out without the book. €229 is a lot. Getting it down to €150 without the book would make it reasonable.
Was hoping it would be NTS-1 price.
Really. I thought €229 is quite reasonable tbh. Everything else is crazy expensive these days
230 euro is in par with a good Chinese oscilloscope. Do I need LFOs? No... But a real scope gives options like probes (to check circuits) and (very important) can work with voltages up to 600v.
@@KiR_3d 😂love to hear what a 3 phase powered synth sounds like!!
@@MrDigimal yeah, it's for synths )) But the price seems not fair. You can literally use a cheaper Chinese oscilloscope (Hantek for example) with less precision than OWON and get almost the same results as this Korg's thingie... on a much bigger screen! It will not give you four channels for the same price but it will be re-usable for some serious job (like checking circuits with crystals and etc. they need Mhz freq. ranges).
This has utility to me as a radio enthusiast as well! Double buy!
I love that Korg is doing this sort of thing
Bro, you can make a jig and buy a real scope for another 100. I had the volca beats and gave it away then regretted it haha. I got it free though with almost 10k in gear so I can't complain.
300 beans in Canada for it and a siglent can be had for another hundred with built in wave gen. I think my issue with the scope is the build quality. They are making 250 off it after parts. I'm a fan of korg so I hate to dis.
What's with the European obsession with electronic music? When I was a kid there was an awesome metal scene with virtuoso level players from Europe.
I enjoy building synth circuits but I'm a daily guitar player since I was 14 and take 2 hrs just to warm up. Religiously for over 30 years. I'm trying to find a decent midi keyboard for my daw. Weighted keys preferably.
What’s the cost of this thing?
Other comments say $250 with a book, not sure what the book is tho, and eventually perhaps available for around $150 without the book. Nice book I guess. But $250 seems fairb to me for 4 channels of all the other features.
It seems pretty cool... but OTOH, a professional oscilloscope only costs a little bit more while being far more capable. Or, for simple FFT purposes during sound design, or for tuning, that stuff is pretty easy to do with free phone apps.
For those of you who doesn't have the $250 but still want to start playing around the concept of oscilloscope music, I've built one for TouchDesigner (free software). It has the amazing YX mode, goes up to 4k resolution, and it's fully modifiable.
Link?
Would love to see this!
Of course
Check out his UA-cam Chanel, for more information. A lot of other cool stuff there too.
@@bigboygametime ua-cam.com/video/zoRu6J5yGP8/v-deo.html
Korg is so pro-consumer I love them. I would have loved to see a voltage monitoring/reference mode as well. I use the DATA all the time to dial in the range of voltage of a modulator and the voltage reference to calibrate for certain firmware updates. Weird there was no mention of the Seeed Studio DSO Nano v3 which I see as this thing's direct competition other than the through outputs. Internal battery/nice metal enclosure for like $115 and a DIY version for like $25.
Thanks for mentioning that. Can't find the cheaper DIY version so far. Is it as DIY as this or is it more advanced?
You truly have a gift for explaining things. I watch other videos, but you really have such a great way to make it all very logical and clear and simple, no matter how complex the topic.
Oh damn, I need this now 😄 I wrote an article for that book too about hooking up the Volca Modular to a Bastl Kastl, breadboards and other gear 🤜🤛
Thanks for watching and smashing that like button :) A quick correction: Optx does NOT have DC coupled inputs
Oh, looks cool. Must be about $99, right? ----- $250?!?!?!?!?!?! What a joke.
First time I watched this video I knew I wanted it. Finally got it yesterday and re-watching this video was a must for reviewing all functions. I even got it hooked while watching/listening and it's great to see some of the wave forms here. I do recommend it if you ever wanted to have an affordable oscilloscope for music/sound. Cheers! ✌
19:10 FM looks like a Fourier Transformed 1H-NMR spectrum (in Chemistry)
*chuckles in Aphex Twin*
Who will be first to integrade nts-2 into ms-20 empty place on front panel 🙊?
So I’m sure you answered this question but I’m not the sharpest tool. Can you send a desired frequencies to monitor through a 3 head tape deck to bias the deck to factory specifications? Thanks for the video. It was great…
I finally got mine yesterday and discovered your video. I then had to remove the Korg book film to read about your patch. I only own iMS20 (iPad softinst) so I did not think I was interested in the book otherwise. 😅
“Does it come in black?”
- Bruce Wayne
Seriously, thanks for this overview of the NTS-2. Your channel is really helpful.
This is awesome! The cheap DSO138 scopes a pretty bad, a Rigol tabletop scope is much more expensive (if I'm correct, the NTS-2 retails for around US$250?) and needs BNC-1/8-TS adapters, and a Mordax Data requires an Eurorack setup. This really fills a gap in the market, and an oscilloscope is like, the best utility one can buy.
I have not found it for sale as of yet
check OWON scopes. They're not cheap but seems to be pretty good! I've searched a lot before choosing it. Didn't bought yet though :))
@@mr_unsane early October
for a sec I was mad my NTS-1 was now outdated. But this is a totally different kind of thing. Surprised the generators don't accept midi for freq/magnitude in lieu of note/vel but perhaps it'll be added?
This is a Mordax Data in a handheld package - super useful! Insta-buy for me. Oscilloscopes are a must-have for modular
Mordax is a higher quality oscilloscope but yes, this definitely meets a need for an inexpensive basic oscilloscope designed for musicians. It has lots of great features plus an awesome book. It’s a win win!
I’ve been looking for a sine wave generator & oscilloscope to use with my guitar pedals. To get a better feel for what they do. This looks like this might be the perfect all-in-one compact solution.
Is that a baby oscilloscope!
Its missing HDMI output. Would be nuce to be able to have it on a big screen.
For 250 it is in the pricerange you may as well get an oscope instead of a kit. If it were the price of the first in the series I may be more excited.
Ordered it in May...hopefully it will be delivered before the end of the year 🙂🙏. Did anyone get their order yet?
Please let me / us know… what are your software visualisation? Which plug-in do you use? Thanks!
Interesting tool. MOTU have DC coupled audio interfaces, not modular though.
but not input, only output
@@fuchshai2 That is correct. I have used it with the Ableton Live CV tools, and it worked fine with the Nucleus.
oscillop app in ipad?
Oh wow, 100% gonna get one of these
Very interesting. Appreciate Korg releasing stuff like this and in an affordable package.
Now this screen should be on the Korg Volca FM!
really cool Korg featured your patch. great review as always man