A History Of British Petroleum Tank Wagons In Model Railway Form (Mega Video)
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- Опубліковано 19 сер 2024
- A history of OO gauge model railway petroleum tank wagons, based upon those in my collection!
(due to the size of this video the viewer may wish to view it in sections, noting down the time code ready for the next session)
Where do I start, well the beginning I suppose. I wanted to find out the periods that the tank wagons would be correct in, this turned out to be a hugely complex question.
Resulting in my first and probably last ‘MEGGA’ production.
In the video I mention links and references so that comes next.
Firstly a link to the MS Excel database that forms the backbone of this video.
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The Historic Model Railway Society: hmrs.org.uk/
Ronuk tank black stripe 1960: hmrs.org.uk/pu...
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Ronuk tank 1961 Hove: www.fluidr.com/...
BP Oakbank: www.flickr.com...
National Archives, reference: discovery.nati...
Bartlett’s photos and data: paulbartlett.z...
Tank wagon design: www.igg.org.uk...
TTA's at Severn Tunnel junction in 1986: www.flickr.com...
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Many individuals who helped with research and provision of materials etc, my grateful thanks to you all.
Books referenced:
Petroleum Rail Tank Wagons Of Britain by R. Tourret. 1st edition.
British Railway Private owner Tank Wagons by Cheona Publications complied by T Rourret.
Oil On The Rails by Alan Coppin (HMRS)
Non Pool Freight Stock 1948 - 1968 Volumes 1 & 2 by David Larkin.
British Railway Wagons the first half million by Don Rowland.
Dates range 1906-1990s
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I can’t express how wonderful this is! You could write a book of your research! Fabulous, as I have a layout with a fuel delivery siding. Cheers, and thanks again. Bob
Hi Bob, you have made my day sir :) so glad to help out. Mike
Hello, what a wonderful interesting informative video. Well done sir, in my long railway career I worked on King George Dock in Hull as a shunter for a few years. We used to take tank wagons in and out of BP chemicals. We used to make trains up in the sidings then pull them up to our porta cabin with our pilot engine which was a class 08 then we put the 08 on the next siding then waited for the class 37 to come light engine, then we would bring the loco onto the tanks, go underneath and put the screw coupling of the loco onto the tank, screw it up, fasten the air pipes together then walk down the train to the back of the tanks to do a brake continuity test. We would signal to the driver to pump air into the system so as to release the wagon brakes. When the brakes had come off the wagon wheels we checked the wagon brakes had come off the wheels then signalled to the driver to expel the air out of the system so we could check that the brakes had come off again. We then made sure there was a red flashing light fixed to the rear of the train. We then got the driver his train list, the driver also had to know his route availability as well. I think I've got it right?. It was a long time ago now. Unfortunately there where some redundancies when a company called LOADHAUL took over so I moved to NETWORK RAIL as it was called at the time. And that's another long story in my railway career. Sorry for going on a bit, my son tells me I never stop talking. Lol. Best wishes from Hull in the East Riding of Yorkshire. 👍🚂
Oh wow, what wonderful memories, I could listen all day long and never get fed up lol. I'm sure I could relate a good few myself, Create brake, red light up and down at night, people just can't believe the communication we had with just hand signals these days. Please feel very free to share your stories on our channel
A superb production. Thanks for all the hard work, It's exactly what I was looking for on this subject.
Glad it was helpful! Cheers Craig
Thank you so very much for this thoroughly enjoyable presentation, and at last a helpful and accurate discussion on the appropriate tanker wagon periods represented by their liveries. I have spent hours trawling the internet for this very information, simply so that I do not blythely run (say) tanker wagons which were discontinued in the 1950s with 'blue era' diesels. I shall watch this again! Many thanks again. Jonathan
Hey Jonathan that's so good to hear. Kind regards Mike.
Just came across this video and have to say it is great, very informative and answers a lot of questions I have been trying to find out information on for ages. Well done!
Hi Richy, thanks so much. It makes my day when people get something out of my work :) How did you come across it, just searching?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited No problem, can tell a lot of work went into it. Just came up on my recommendations as I have been watching a lot of related videos recently
@@Richy59 Many thanks, there is also an update to this video.
Thank you. I really enjoyed your video. I bought an old red model tanker with mobil written on the side as a present for my grandson. I was trying to find out more information about it and luckily found you. I have learned a lot and so will he. Thanks again.
So glad to help
That was superb - so much work went into it - and great story telling! Loved it!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thanks John
Ooh yes - Tank wagons are really fascinating, what with all the potentially dangerous materials they sometimes carry.
Very informative! I had no idea there were so many variations and iterations to the British tank wagon.
Thanks very much indeed, did you watch it end to end already :) Yes amazing history, I've almost left more out than included but I was worn out lol
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited @Model Railways Unlimited I've rewatched this recently as I got my hands on one of the Ministry of Supply tanks, but couldn't find much information elsewhere on where it was used - I also agree that it is strange no model companies have made the grey wartime ones, though I suppose the more colorful ones are more popular.
@@RockyRailroadProductions_B0SS thanks, glad it was helpful. Keep any eye on Oxford Rail for the ww2 tanks
Thanks for putting this interesting video together Mike, a lot of info for the modeler and collector here. Cheers.
Cheers Michael, so glad you liked it
What a fabulous collection Mike. Thank you for this video and all of the hard work that went into it. Super interesting history and very enjoyable and I learnt a lot here as well :-)
Hi David, thanks so very much, such kind comments. Glad you liked it
Lovley!
May I just say how much I enjoyed listening (& glancing) at the video as I have been modelling tonight!
Something I really enjoyed!
Thank you
Oliver
Hi Oliver, thanks so much for taking the time to say so, very glad you enjoyed and hope there were some points of interest :)
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
There were!
Now where's my Mainline Royal Daylight....
Cheers
Excellent informative video. Learned a lot from this regarding types and time periods.
Great to hear! I'm so glad, hope you find more on the channel to help
Thank you very much for giving us this extremely informative video. I'm just starting to collect these types of wagons but had no idea where to start, until I've been educated by your excellent video.
Hi Jose, that is very kind of you indeed. Very glad to help. Mike
great video. built a rake of 17 tankers for WWII
Thanks Michael, I'd love to see them if you have a video?
What a super detailed video, really great work, thank you for sharing your knowledge.
You are most welcome 🤗 so glad it was helpful
Thank you for the work you must have put into the making of this video , I will watch it in sections .......Peter
Many thanks Peter, if you come out of UA-cam and go back it should start where you left off! Let me know how it goes and if you have any questions
Managed to watch it all now and I did go back into where I left off , Never realised the different speed limits for tankers . Thoroughly enjoyed watching the video .
Cheers........Peter
@@ChapelEndJunctionUK Hi Peter, glad you managed to view it all. Yes there are so many surprising facts about tank wagons. The one that gets me is we have nothing RTR for the war years.
Hi Mike, Thought I would make a comment as you commented to Barrie davis yesterday about my Canadian Pacific which he got running for me, I only bought it approx 3 weeks ago on ebay, With regards to the Tank wagons I really like the Mainline ones and because of Barrie davis videos on them and his response to my question to him, ( The hard ones ti find ) I now have about 30 of them, and your videos on them which are very informative so great stuff, I always watch your videos when they appear.
Barrie done very well sorting the problem,
OK Mike all for now keep up the videos, Stay Safe, regards from Barry in Spain
Hi Barry, Hola. I am so glad you find my videos helpful, was a huge task getting this one ready but lots of fun also. I am adding further details as other tank wagons arrive. Yes that was an amazing job Barry did on your loco, I think many others would have given up. Take care. Mike
What a great informative video!! I can’t imagine how many hours of research that went into this. Well done 👍
That is immensely kind of you to say and yes you are right, very many weeks pulling it all together. Glad it was of help, cheers Mike
Tank wagons of all kinds fascinate me. This is a brilliant survey! Thanks! :-)
Glad you enjoyed it, I am with you on the tank wagons, many thanks for the kind comment. Mike
Excellent informative video, thank you for sharing it. i have started a small collection of tankers but only three so far.
Thanks Philip, a most fascinating subject. Good luck with your collection
Your channel is a real treasure trove of information - Excellent video's, much appreciated.- Massive thanks !
So nice of you Anthony, thank you
Really enjoyed watching, learnt a lot, thanks for taking the time and effort to make and post.
So glad to read this, there have been a couple of additional videos to the subject as well.
The earliest fully braked tank wagons were fitted with vacuum brakes of various types.
Yes indeed, still a few around when I started on the job
Thank you for this. I'm building a small SR shunting layout ca 1944 and you have provided some great information.
Cheers Pat, honoured to help. Mike
Watched this 3 times, still enjoying the details 👍
Thanks very much indeed. Great to hear
Thanks for very informative video. I have built up a fleet of tank wagons from when Mainline introduced their wagons in 1977 . I built them up because they looked good , so have United Molasses, Royal Daylight, Ronuk etc , but never knew if they were accurate . From what I can gather they are all the right liveries but perhaps not the right wagons (sounds a bit like Morecambe and Wise!) Ref a sighting of Ronuk at Carlisle, I wonder if this is confused with a paint manufacturer from Haltwhistle . I can remember 2 tank wagons stored there in the 70s . From memory they were blue because I bought the Ronuk wagon as it looked like them . Very interesting though and I think the video is a great way of explaining it. Well done , obviously you’ve carried out lots of research there.
Hi Russell, very many thanks for that. Yes you are right, most are based on real wagons but sometimes made as cradle mounted types for ease of production when in fact there were many more saddle types built. However as all things model, they look good when seen as intended :) That is most interesting re those tanks from Haltwhistle, I think you may well have it as the RONUKs being up there was a bit odd. I am most grateful for your kind comments and to see that my efforts have been of use
EXCELLENT VIDEO! I HAVE SOME MODEL HO EUROPEAN TANK ESSO , GOOD TO HEAR THE HISTORY, AND SEE HOW THEY WERE BUILD ! MANY THANKS,
Many thanks Steve
Thanks for a very informative video. You do have a wonderful selection of tank wagons. Very well done
Many thanks indeed
Absolutely top notch stuff , fascinating and so informative, thank you much appreciated.
Very kind of you to say, part of a series looking at rolling stock
Many thanks, great information, well done David from New Zealand
Very welcome, are you new to the channel?
Yes
@@davidlee9024 Big welcome then, hope you find lots to interest you. Join us in the community tab
Very nice representatation, I am fond on tank wagons
Many thanks indeed
Very interesting video, so much history behind it....👍
Thanks Richard, you are right, much more to tell one day maybe :) Thanks for stopping by
Well Mike I shall never look at my motley collection of tank wagons the same way that I always have. What a fascinating subject. I was hoping you would mention the Airfix/Dapol Class B tank wagons which are different than any of those you did show. I must echo the other comments and thank you for the amazing research and presentation on this video. Regards, David.
Many, many thanks David it's great to have this video so well received. Mike
Brilliant Mike, absolutely brilliant. I will be asking you what I should get for my rake of tank wagons when I get to that stage. Long time away at the moment.
Regards Chris
Thanks Chris, will be glad to help
Must have been interesting to see these on the railway. Especially with Fawley oil refinery being close to me there must have been a good number of tanker trains.
Oh yes, would have been an amazing sight, Thanks for watching and happy new year
Very well done. A lovely and interesting video. Thanks
Hi, that is so kind of you to say, there is a short update to this as well
Thanks for an interesting video, which was highly enlightening.
Thanks Don that's really kind of you. There have been a couple of updates since I did this, taking in the Oxford ones etc.
A single long-wheel base or bogie wagon could be used in place of the 2 short-wheeled wagons. Theis would keep the loaded Class A wagons away from the steam locomotive or the brake van and its oil lamps. Once battery tail lamps and diesel locomotives were commonplace then the barrier wagons on trains of Class A wagons were no more.
No train with Class A wagons could also carry other dangerous goods such as explosives. Additionally wagons loaded with steel products could not be coupled directly to loaded tank wagons in case the load came loose in an accident.
Good extra info thanks
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited your welcome.
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very good video thanks
Many thanks John, glad you like it. Mike
Great video and very useful. Thanks for this.
Thanks very much Rick, a most interesting subject and one that continues to grow with Oxford Rails new tank wagons, have you seen my reviews?
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I will watch the reviews, I have just subscribed to your channel. Nice to see some appreciation for the old Mainline wagons!
@@zippy963 Thanks very much for subbing, ah yes I do love the Mainline wagons
Hope the quality will improve, it was uploaded at 1080p 50fps and 20000kbps, but the UA-cam result looks horrid???
What a brilliant well presented video! you are a diamond sir!! i cant thank you enough for all your time and effort you have put into this complete series of informative videos (Im following your playlist). i subscribed to your channel, i couldnt find the subscibe button fast enough! thanks again for sharing all your hard work... Keith
Wow, thank you Keith, I am delighted with that kind comment, welcome to the channel, hope you find much more. All the best, Mike
The TTA at the 45 minute mark has been given an incorrect TOPS code of TEA. For those who don't know TOPS Code TE means a 100t bogie tank. Was thus based on a real wagon?
😂 I never noticed that before, yet there it is blindingly obvious lol I recall these were TTAs converted for diesel fuel
Well spotted, I have a photo of the actual vehicle and it should be a TTA,
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited I did wonder, BR did miss code vehicles from time to time.
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This is a most excellent video. I wish there was more. were tankers attached to the end of passenger trains?
Hi Douglas, thank you very much that is kind of you to say. To answer your question it would have been highly unlikely that any class A tank wagons would run in passenger trains, there is the outside chance that class B might have done but remember the low speeds, one star 35 two star 60 and no star 25MPH not great for passenger services lol
Thank you for putting this together! Im modeling some of these for a video game, and this will be very useful. I did notice the OneDrive link to the photos don't seem to work.
Thanks very much. A game? Yes I noticed some of the links are broken. I guess they changed their web site.
Ah I see. Yes I'm making the esso class a and b for a game called trainz (I've already done some prestwins (on my channel front page), and I'm doing GrainHops and CovHops as well), and I'm looking for as much information as possible. This video really helped.
@@JBVector cool stuff, I cover grain hoppers also
This might interest for another time ua-cam.com/video/tVX6DOVFTQY/v-deo.htmlsi=QosOLvBesSYlJ0-T
ua-cam.com/video/tMZIZyGSNVQ/v-deo.htmlsi=q7CPi8DhQIGgzYEz and this
Very informative! Thanks. I saw one of your backscenes was of a colliery setting, is it commercially available?
Yep, that's from Gaugemaster. Thanks for watching
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Thanks!
Fantastic and very informative video and thoroughly researched i really enjoyed this video -thank you for all the work you have put into making this 😎😎😎
Thank you very kindly, so glad you enjoyed it
Great work - thank you. Did you explain what the black 'WD' tank wagon was - and I missed it?
I assume 'WD' stands for war department. Did it exist? Thanks.
Many thanks Ian, 16:34 in the video should answer your question. And yes it was real :)
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited Oh yes. Thanks.
Thank you !!
You're welcome!
Hey Mike, that green tank wagon number 49 with the pyramid brand,
What company was that?
Cheers,nicholas
I'd have to look again, but there were two by the same company
A lot to soak in Mike ...
Hi Dave there certainly is, huge subject
great video but the loco has no driver!
Hi, which loco is that?
Hi. Can you tell me any names of companies who ran tanker wagons in the early part of the 20th century.
Hi Kevin, check the database from the videos information box, this details the ones you see here. However your question covers a great many companies! I'll see what I can find out
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited HI. Thanks for your super fast response. I was originally searching for this information so when I found it, I dived straight in and blasted away without looking at the video, which does supply a lot of information I will probably need anyway. I am trying to build a stock of early 19oo's museum items, so it will probably be a mixed bunch of stuff anyway. Thanks again, much appreciated.
@@kevinhale9400 Most kind of you Kevin, I plan on having a look soon. Do you want me to only tell you about R2R stuff you can get?
@@kevinhale9400 Hi Kevin, I am kind of thinking it's going to take me some time to put this together for you, however I am going to give you time codes for this video and another two I have made that will take you to suitable tank wagons for your period of interest. 2:11 pre tank wagon, 3:54 a train of early tank wagons . 8:50 a train of early tank wagons in date order. So things to look out for, no speed star is a good indication of an early wagon, buff colour with red strip half way will be an early tank wagon, wire rope secured is also another clue to early vehicles. Hope this helps, going to tag you in on a couple of review I did.
ua-cam.com/video/MiECaG5IYsg/v-deo.html check this one out 1909 built
Which book on the history of tank wagons, would YOU recommend for the historically interested ? Thanks for a superb documentary . :)
Hi, you can see the titles in the video. But the main I need to check and let you know
Hi Peter, if you go to my community tab, I've put a picture of the book up for you
@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited there is one other question, you mention some RAF (?) tanks being camoflage painted, any pix of one of them? as camoflage in the RAF was to standard design, one piccy serve all so to speak! RAF Halton and several other stations had their own 'Branch' line to supply fuel and spare parts as Engines,Fuselages , wings etc were under constant demand during the war, but I've never seen a layout based on one , either some specialised army bases ie Tanks and Artiliery as well as Nval ports supplying naval supplies up to and including 15" Rifles (naval term for the huge guns on Battleships ,but I still havent found owt about them piccy wise yet though R.j Essery's superb book Midland wagons has a lovely pic, volume 1.
Hi, I'd need to look at the video again but I recall the camouflage was just painting the tanks dark grey so they did not stick out to aircraft. If you drop me an email I can send you what photos I find. mru_admin@insussex.plus.com
Excellent video, but I note that you only touch on the Bachmann anchor mounted tank wagon. I am modelling a tank train from BP Llandarcy in the period '54-'56 and am using the Shell BP black tank wagon 38-776 being pulled by a BR 2800. Would this be correct?
Many thanks indeed. I can't remember exactly now but I was sure I'd given background to the Benzine? Tank. Yes BR 2-8-0s worked tank wagons. Despite the tank in question being class B there would still have been barrier wagons where possible
What sort of wagon was used? conflats? and were they at each end of the tank wagons? @@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
@@williamhawkins-vx6sq hi, any old unused wagons, certainly with class A tanks two wagons between loco and tanks and guards van and tanks. I've even seen box vans used as well as bogie bolster wagons. With class B sometimes just one wagon or often as not nothing lol
Steel mineral wagons would work in your timeframe
Thanks@@ModelRailwaysUnlimited
If you need any further help I own South Staffs Wagon that use to refurbish railway wagons until its closure in the 1980's
Interesting tell me more
Hi Mike - As usual I am on here doing research for my layout and as I was going through my photo collection I found an actual photo of tank wagons parked up in the yard right behind my house. The photo is an old black and white and I would say dates bet 1960 and 1970. I always thought they contained oil of some sort and there could be quite a few of them there.
They were black in colour and disgustingly dirty. In the photo which shows South Acton railway station you can see the two tanks wagons and they look exactly like the Bitumen Bitumuls wagon at 5 mins into this video, they even have the same sort of gubbins on the roof.
You are unable to see the sides but from memory if there was anything on the sides it was so faded and dirty you could never read it.
There is a number on the nearest wagon, right at the top, 727 in large white lettering.
I cannot find anything on and any help will be much appreciated.
I am still staggered I had this in my collection, my goodness it brings back memories.
Regards Chris
Hi Chris sounds interesting. Can you go to my channels community tab and post a scan of the wagon, I'd love to see it and may be able to offer an ID
Hi Mike - I do not think we can post on others community tab, I have managed to put it on mine though hurray.
I have also sent you an email. hope you get it.
Look forwards with interest to your reply.
Regards Chris
Cab you email me it? mru_admin@insussex.plus.com
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