I never knew the cartridge was pre Civil war! I always seen powder horns used during demonstrations of the French and Indian War but don’t remember seeing the pre loaded cartridge used by the Colonials or British in any re-enactments! The shelled casing I know was invented during the Civil War. Thank you for the Historical information!
Paper cartridges had been used for centuries at that point, probably since the 1500s, Metallic cartridges even precede the US civil war, There were Belgian and French Pinfire cartridge revolvers in service in several countries in the 1840-50s.
You can also leave the strings long after the first knot, and just loop & tie it underneath the ball. A continuos string also comes in handy when you're making the 3 chokes on a Buck-n-Ball cartridge.
Allen Ockerlander says, "I have never seen any mention of doing so. If the proper-sized ball is used, the cartridge will fit rather loosely so none is needed. You can even shoot all day without swabbing the barrel.
A Charleville couldn’t use a .69 ball in a paper cartridge... Military balls for .69 muskets would be around .662 calibre. .75 Brown Bess muskets did however use balls of about .69 calibre. 100 grains of FFg is actually a load one would use to shoot live nowadays. A load back then for the British would have been up to 220 grains of the powder they used for both artillery and muskets. Once rifles came around and needed different powder and Congreve improved gunpowder, in the Napoleonic times the load for the Brown Bess was decreased to about 165 grains, and the American load was 130 grains (this includes the 10-15 grains used to prime).
Thanks for your comments and clarification. For more information about the Charleville musket (especially firing and cleaning), check out www.bahrnoproducts.com/Charleville_Firing_and_Cleaning.htm
Actually the formula for Black Powder hasn't changed for 1000 years!! However the manufacturing process was not the same from country to country, and the quality of materials were suspect to say the least.!
the formula hasnt changed for european manufacturers because they never stopped producing black powder, but for american manufacturers of real black powder, we use a different type of wood for the charcoal than would have originally been used.
Thanks for your request. Here's info from Allen Ockerlander (hope this helps): While visiting Colonial Williamsburg I bought a reprinted copy of the Williamsburg Gazette at the Printing Office, Post Office and Bookbindery. They have numerous issues of the Virginia Gazette as well as other reprinted publications, all on laid paper. In case he can't get to Colonial Williamsburg, he can also access actual issues of the Virginia Gazette held in Colonial Williamsburg's archive collection. Google search Colonial Williamsburg official site. Click on research. Then click on Digital Library. Next, click on Virginia Gazettes. Lastly, type in the date you want. eg: research.history.org/DigitalLibrary/va-gazettes/VGSinglePage.cfm?IssueIDNo=76.DH.30 You can then copy and paste it onto some laid paper (only one side, the outside really needed). I had a long discussion with the printer at Colonial Williamsburg regarding laid paper (hand made paper), then and now. The most authentic paper now available is Southworth Credentials Collection 24 lb. watermarked 25% cotton fine linen paper. It comes in different colors. Ivory is the most period correct. I buy it at Office Max.
Thanks. Whichever paper you use, make sure it: 1. doesn't tear when you make the cartridge or open up losing powder when you carry it. 2. is easily torn open by your teeth when you use the cartridge.
As far as I know, nitrated paper was NOT used for Rev or Napoleonic War cartridges. It WAS, however, used in breechloading rifles, like the Sharps, and in revolvers, before the advent of metallic cartridges
I’ve been doing it like that for years and never knew that historically that may have been correct, thank you for the video
You're welcome! Thanks for the thanks!
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I never knew the cartridge was pre Civil war! I always seen powder horns used during demonstrations of the French and Indian War but don’t remember seeing the pre loaded cartridge used by the Colonials or British in any re-enactments! The shelled casing I know was invented during the Civil War. Thank you for the Historical information!
Paper cartridges had been used for centuries at that point, probably since the 1500s, Metallic cartridges even precede the US civil war, There were Belgian and French Pinfire cartridge revolvers in service in several countries in the 1840-50s.
Thank you guys for preserving our history.
Fascinating.
Try a ‘Mickey Mouse Clove Hitch’ for the tie-offs.
Many thanks.
You can also leave the strings long after the first knot, and just loop & tie it underneath the ball. A continuos string also comes in handy when you're making the 3 chokes on a Buck-n-Ball cartridge.
Were cartridges ever pre lubed?
Allen Ockerlander says, "I have never seen any mention of doing so. If the proper-sized ball is used, the cartridge will fit rather loosely so none is needed. You can even shoot all day without swabbing the barrel.
You make it look so easy.
It's an 18th century Lee Loader
But, did the militia make their own cartridges? Is that why it was listed in these documents?
Yes, yes.
A Charleville couldn’t use a .69 ball in a paper cartridge... Military balls for .69 muskets would be around .662 calibre. .75 Brown Bess muskets did however use balls of about .69 calibre.
100 grains of FFg is actually a load one would use to shoot live nowadays. A load back then for the British would have been up to 220 grains of the powder they used for both artillery and muskets. Once rifles came around and needed different powder and Congreve improved gunpowder, in the Napoleonic times the load for the Brown Bess was decreased to about 165 grains, and the American load was 130 grains (this includes the 10-15 grains used to prime).
Thanks for your comments and clarification. For more information about the Charleville musket (especially firing and cleaning), check out www.bahrnoproducts.com/Charleville_Firing_and_Cleaning.htm
I’ve checked out that website before; it’s amazing quality.
Great job, Allen! Thanks!!
Awesome
I would have expected for the tail to have been folded and crimped like they were later on.
Actually the formula for Black Powder hasn't changed for 1000 years!! However the manufacturing process was not the same
from country to country, and the quality of materials were suspect to say the least.!
the formula hasnt changed for european manufacturers because they never stopped producing black powder, but for american manufacturers of real black powder, we use a different type of wood for the charcoal than would have originally been used.
They say that gunpowder manufactured today, at least the “Goex” brand, isn’t as quality (hot and clean) as gunpowder in the mid 19th Century was.
What knife is that? Great vid.
Pocket knife
what about the powder for the pan?
You prime from the cartridge. Then load the musket
Where do you get your paper? I am looking for reprinted newspaper from that time. I saw it for sale once but can't remember were.
Thanks for your request. Here's info from Allen Ockerlander (hope this helps):
While visiting Colonial Williamsburg I bought a reprinted copy of the Williamsburg Gazette at the Printing Office, Post Office and Bookbindery. They have numerous issues of the Virginia Gazette as well as other reprinted publications, all on laid paper.
In case he can't get to Colonial Williamsburg, he can also access actual issues of the Virginia Gazette held in Colonial Williamsburg's archive collection. Google search Colonial Williamsburg official site. Click on research. Then click on Digital Library. Next, click on Virginia Gazettes. Lastly, type in the date you want.
eg: research.history.org/DigitalLibrary/va-gazettes/VGSinglePage.cfm?IssueIDNo=76.DH.30
You can then copy and paste it onto some laid paper (only one side, the outside really needed).
I had a long discussion with the printer at Colonial Williamsburg regarding laid paper (hand made paper), then and now. The most authentic paper now available is Southworth Credentials Collection 24 lb. watermarked 25% cotton fine linen paper. It comes in different colors. Ivory is the most period correct. I buy it at Office Max.
use packing paper. super cheap and does the job very well
Thanks. Whichever paper you use, make sure it: 1. doesn't tear when you make the cartridge or open up losing powder when you carry it. 2. is easily torn open by your teeth when you use the cartridge.
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i can use nitrated paper?
As far as I know, nitrated paper was NOT used for Rev or Napoleonic War cartridges.
It WAS, however, used in breechloading rifles, like the Sharps, and in revolvers, before the advent of metallic cartridges