The previous poster wrote, "seems unnecessary and dangerous for no reason.." If he believes that, while he's certainly entitled to his opinion, he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about. There are several necessary reasons for a chandelle, and properly executed, it's not dangerous at all. In fact, it's a required maneuver for attaining a commercial flight certificate in many countries, including here in the United States of America, by the Federal Aviation Administration, but is also often taught to both private pilots as well as those seeking their instrument rating. "From a practical point of view, the chandelle may be used to turn an aircraft within a minimal turn radius. As such it is a useful maneuver for pilots of small aircraft who find themselves in a blind valley or canyon." All three of my CFIIs during my private pilots license and instrument rating required me to demonstrate chandelles, both visually as well as on instruments. The CFII who'd been a bush pilot in Alaska, the one with 11,000 hours, said if I ever did any mountain flying where the peaks were higher than the performance capability of my aircraft, a situation common both throughout the Rocky Mountains, the Sierra Nevadas, in Alaska, and many other areas of the world, I stood a good chance of encountering a situation where I might need to reverse course in a hurry and using an absolute minimum left or right distance from desired course. He said, "Know it and don't hesitate to do it, as the maneuver itself isn't dangerous, but flying into terrain or bad weather because you hesitated most certainly is dangerous." It was he who had me practice until I could do them at a moment's notice, successfully, without fail, both visually as well as on instruments. That "opportunity" arrived one day while approaching a ridge at 8,500' MSL in VFR conditions from the leeward side. The forecast winds were less than 20 kts. Although we had more than 700' of clearance while approaching it, the closer we got the lower our groundspeed and the more difficult it was to maintain altitude. Recognizing the fact that we were on the edge of and entering a serious downdraft on the leeward side, caused by winds significantly higher than forecast, but bordered by mountainous terrain which precluded a normal turn, I executed a chandelle, reversing course until I could climb a couple of thousand feet while on oxygen before crossing the ridge at 10,500' MSL. Obviously, the maneuver was necessary, else I wouldn't be here typing this, and clearly it's not dangerous, else the FAA wouldn't require its mastery.
If you get into a situation where you need to chandelle for non training purposes, you shouldn't be flying an airplane. When it comes to mountain flying, the biggest things are knowing where the "point of no return" is, and having a set "turn around point" if you are flying low near terrain... which I know you won't. The are a lot of good mountain flying books out there. I did all of my training up to my initial cfi in mountains, so lemme know if you have questions
I feel like saying that requiring a training maneuver in real flight means you shouldn't fly is a bit ridiculous especially from a flight instructor. Surely the point of repeatedly training such exercises is so that they can be used if required in a safe manner. Imagine saying that if you near the stall in any configuration you shouldn't be a pilot and thus learning stall recovery is pointless. We all know that even very experienced pilots can make mistakes, weather predictions can be wrong and conditions can change rapidly. To say that knowing how to correctly use maneuvers such as the chandelle, max rate turn, bad vis. config etc. to safely navigate in adverse conditions is reason for someone not to fly to me seems both counter intuitive and dangerous.
The previous poster wrote, "seems unnecessary and dangerous for no reason.." If he believes that, while he's certainly entitled to his opinion, he clearly doesn't know what he's talking about.
There are several necessary reasons for a chandelle, and properly executed, it's not dangerous at all. In fact, it's a required maneuver for attaining a commercial flight certificate in many countries, including here in the United States of America, by the Federal Aviation Administration, but is also often taught to both private pilots as well as those seeking their instrument rating.
"From a practical point of view, the chandelle may be used to turn an aircraft within a minimal turn radius. As such it is a useful maneuver for pilots of small aircraft who find themselves in a blind valley or canyon."
All three of my CFIIs during my private pilots license and instrument rating required me to demonstrate chandelles, both visually as well as on instruments. The CFII who'd been a bush pilot in Alaska, the one with 11,000 hours, said if I ever did any mountain flying where the peaks were higher than the performance capability of my aircraft, a situation common both throughout the Rocky Mountains, the Sierra Nevadas, in Alaska, and many other areas of the world, I stood a good chance of encountering a situation where I might need to reverse course in a hurry and using an absolute minimum left or right distance from desired course. He said, "Know it and don't hesitate to do it, as the maneuver itself isn't dangerous, but flying into terrain or bad weather because you hesitated most certainly is dangerous." It was he who had me practice until I could do them at a moment's notice, successfully, without fail, both visually as well as on instruments.
That "opportunity" arrived one day while approaching a ridge at 8,500' MSL in VFR conditions from the leeward side. The forecast winds were less than 20 kts. Although we had more than 700' of clearance while approaching it, the closer we got the lower our groundspeed and the more difficult it was to maintain altitude. Recognizing the fact that we were on the edge of and entering a serious downdraft on the leeward side, caused by winds significantly higher than forecast, but bordered by mountainous terrain which precluded a normal turn, I executed a chandelle, reversing course until I could climb a couple of thousand feet while on oxygen before crossing the ridge at 10,500' MSL.
Obviously, the maneuver was necessary, else I wouldn't be here typing this, and clearly it's not dangerous, else the FAA wouldn't require its mastery.
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Thanks for sharing! This is a very useful info for me who is about to do his 300nm CPL trainning crossing the Rockies.
If you get into a situation where you need to chandelle for non training purposes, you shouldn't be flying an airplane. When it comes to mountain flying, the biggest things are knowing where the "point of no return" is, and having a set "turn around point" if you are flying low near terrain... which I know you won't. The are a lot of good mountain flying books out there. I did all of my training up to my initial cfi in mountains, so lemme know if you have questions
I feel like saying that requiring a training maneuver in real flight means you shouldn't fly is a bit ridiculous especially from a flight instructor. Surely the point of repeatedly training such exercises is so that they can be used if required in a safe manner. Imagine saying that if you near the stall in any configuration you shouldn't be a pilot and thus learning stall recovery is pointless. We all know that even very experienced pilots can make mistakes, weather predictions can be wrong and conditions can change rapidly. To say that knowing how to correctly use maneuvers such as the chandelle, max rate turn, bad vis. config etc. to safely navigate in adverse conditions is reason for someone not to fly to me seems both counter intuitive and dangerous.
music is horrendous, but the info is great.
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It’s useful when flying in mountainous terrains
5:42 left wing........
UND can you please drop this song without the talking
seems unnecessary and dangerous for no reason.
Relax, it’s only a Warrior in disguise, not a Cessna..Dihedral, dihedral, dihedral.
Not if you want your cpl