1 Thessalonians: 4:16 The Lord Himself will come with shout and the trump of God. 4:16 Dead in Christ will rise first. 4:17 We who are alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds. 5:2 & 6 The day of the Lord will come like a thief except to believers who are awake and sober. 5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. There is no mention of the great tribulation in 1 Thessalonians. Only the 'day of the Lord' mentioned, which is when God's wrath is poured out at the end of the great tribulation. When I just read 1 Thessalonians, I see a rapture at some point before the day of the Lord. But I cannot conclude from this book if the rapture is a day before the day of the Lord or seven years before.
The whole context of Luke 17:26 and following starts with "As it was in the day of Noah...and of Lot, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. In contrast to your two theologians, who take that final verse to mean that those taken away are taken to judgment, it raises the question of "were Noah and Lot taken away to judgment?" The integrity of the total context is aborted if those taken away are taken away to judgment. Note this, too, that all the judgments of Revelation and those leading up to the Tribulation are all on the earth and its geophysical surroundings. Those left behind are left for the judgment that is waiting for them, the flood and the destruction of Sodom. Thus, I challenge your conclusions as to this passage in Luke 17 that that final answer of Jesus to the disciples totally reverses the integrity of the context.
It seems that Jesus gave us a starting point in Luke 21:28 in the context of the parable of the fig tree's blossoming, that is the return of the Jews to their land in 1948, when He said, "When these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption draws near." Are we seeing what Daniel 12 spoke of, that the opening of the book is to be done at the end of days?
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of The Church being taken up, and remaining with The Lord forever. The Lord descends, preceded by an archangel. The dead are raised on the last day, and those who are alive will meet them. This does not give the time period of taking place, prior to the rapture. 1 Thessalonians is an epistle. Continue reading into Ch. 5:1-11, and the subject continues. "Seasons and times" are irrelevant. 1 (Thessalonians 5:1) They know that The Lord comes as a "thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5:2) The Lord explains the same when asked about His coming. (Revelation 16:15; Matthew 24:42-44), yet it shall not overtake the Saints as a thief. (1 Thessalonians 5:4) As a pregnant woman in labor (1 Thessalonians 5:3) The Lord describes the same circumstances concerning his own coming. (Matthew 24:8) 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. -1 Thessalonians 4:16 Angels gather The Saints from the 4 winds, and the corners of the earth. (Mark 13:27) This occurs with a loud trumpet call. (Matthew 24:31) And when are the dead raised? On the LAST DAY when The Lord returns! (John 5:29; 6:40) It's not just referring to "Tribulation Saints." ALL Saints! Is the Olivet Discourse only applying to Jews? No it is not! Christ says, what He tells to His disciples, He tells to ALL in that discourse! WATCH! (Mark 13:37) The "coming of The Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:15) Is clearly referring to the time of His 2nd Coming. He came ONCE for atonement, a second time for the salvation of those who believe. (Hebrews 9:28) No time prior....Also, there is a claim that the "Blessed Hope" is the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Not so. Paul explains this has being His GLORIOUS appearing. (Titus 2:13) All eyes will see. The "Blessed Hope," according to Titus 2:13 is the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ. Another misinterpretation of a pre-tribulation rapture comes from 1 Corinthians 15:51-53. A "mystery" is told, that at the sound of the Last Trumpet, in a twinkling of an eye, the dead will be raised, and we shall be changed incorruptible. What is the objective "mystery?" It isn't a pre-tribulation rapture...it is that at the 2nd Coming, those alive will be transformed, rather than suffering death, prior. This is followed by Death and Hades being swallowed up in Victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54-55) This happens at Christ's Judgment for ALL people. Not years prior....and we are told to be steadfast and enduring. (1 Corinthians 15:56-58) Furthermore, The Last Trumpet....and YES, this is true theology that Pre-tribbers are too stubborn to accept. The "Last Trumpet" is the 7th Trumpet. (Revelation 11:15-19) What occurs during this Trumpet? The Kingdoms of the world become The Lord's and will rule for all eternity. (Revelation 11:15-16), which of course, is preceded by an angel. Clarified again in Revelation 19:17. An angel, "standing in the sun." (Singular, just as in 1 Thessalonians 4:16) These are all descriptions of the 2nd Coming of Christ. The Last Day, and The Last Trumpet. Lastly, the misinterpretation of Revelation 3:10, they will be "kept from the hour of trial." Firstly, this is referring singular to the 1st Century Church of Philadelphia, "The Faithful Church." He tells them to "Hold Fast" and to overcome. He "comes quickly." This is ALL language referring to Christ's Second Coming. (Revelation 22:12-14) This is also to The Church of Philadelphia. so it doesn't apply to ALL Christians. Why not The Church of Smyrna, which was the Persecuted Church? (Revelation 2:8-11) They were told to be Faithful unto death, and will receive their "Crown of Life." Those who ENDURE TO THE END are saved. (Matthew 24:13) Was the 1st Century Church of Philadelphia whisked away? No, they weren't! Don't expect to be whisked away, prior, either. The same writer records Christ saying that His intent is not to take us out of the world, but to sanctify us, and keep us from the evil one. (John 17:13-15) We will be preserved through trials, and not suffer the Final Judgment. God does not send plagues for us. Remember, the Locusts from the pit were only given authority to torment those who take the Mark of the Beast. (Revelation 9:4-5) Our endurance is persecution of Anti-Christ. (Revelation 13-14) Christ gave us the Great Commission, and said He'd be with us until the end of the Age. (Matthew 28:20), and the ends of the earth. (Acts 1:8) The Gospel goes to the ends of the Earth, as a Witness, and THEN the end comes. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6) The end of the Age is just that. Until Christ returns. "This Age, and the Age to come," which is eternal Life. (Luke 18:30), not prior for a Pre-Tribulation rapture. Furthermore, the Early Church was post-Tribulation, and not Pre-Tribulation. This ideology has its roots in 19th Century Dispensationalism. Not in scripture, nor in early Church History. There is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture. It is only a distortion of scripture, and anti-evangelism. It makes Christians lazy, because they don't believe they will be subject to persecution of that kind. Look at the Middle East. That kind of persecution of The Saints will be global. Never let your Faith be demeaned. The Tribulation is an urgency for people to receive God's grace prior to Judgment. Case Closed! I suppose another comes from Luke 21:36. Watch and pray that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE these things. What does He also say, concerning this day, if you are alive in Judea? Flee to the mountains, and leave whatever you are doing behind! (Mark 13:14-16) The days are shortened for the elect's sake, yet they are not removed from the Earth. (Mark 13:20) "Escape" did not mean to be taken away from the Earth, but to get out of the way....and what time period was being explained? There is this mingle between the Jews judgment between 66-73AD when the Temple and city are left desolate, and then Christ deals with the planet. And of course, the classic misinterpretation, those who are "taken," and those who are "left." Where are those who are "taken" end up? Being meals for vultures. (Luke 17:37; Revelation 19:17-18) EVERYTHING used to SPECULATE a pre-tribulation rapture is simply a misunderstanding of scripture. No other branch of Christianity believes this outside of Scoffieldist Evangelicals, and with an objective study of scripture, they are simply wrong! The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares and the Dragnet should be enough. (Matthew 13) The field is the world, and the wheat is reaped from the tares at the time of the Harvest which represents the END OF THE AGE. In the dragnet parable, the good fish are separated from the bad fish at the end of the age....but Dispensationalists have to force an abuse of the text that it's only referring to Israel and not The Church.....even though Christ says that ALL should watch for the fullness of these signs. (Mark 13:37) Pre-Tribulation believers are in for some serious regrets if they don't repent from false doctrine. Show less
So if its the first resurection when the pre rapture happens and everyone goes with christ, when do the people who are saved and die for the name of jesus during the tribulation resurrect???? If the first resurrection already happened?
Edgar Santana the rapture and the second coming are the same event. We should not be deceived as they are trying to make us think. Clear in scripture: here are the best scriptures to look at: 1 Thess. 4:13-18/ 1 Corinthians 6:14 & 2 Corinthians 4:14/ Matthew 24: 15-31 & 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
These verses confirm EVERYONE will b here when Jesus returns....no rapture.... Psalms 50:3 Zechariah 14:1-4, Revelations 1:7, Revelations 5:10, 1 Corinthians 15:52, Isaiah 2:2-3, Revelations 20 1-15 Revelations 20:4-5 specifically says "And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5.But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
yes. This is truth. For scripture is truth, therefore it cannot lie. What really saddens me is that so many people are following the belief that they will be raptured out early at any imminent time and this is just not biblically true. THis I feel will dissappoint many many people and will cause them to lose hope. Those of us who know scripture know the truth and will not be deceived. For we will know when the season is here for rapture, when we see certain things take place. The rapture does happen but only in a matter of days before the wrath begins and ends at the second coming. It is all foreshadowed in the bible with the biblical feasts. But noone should be deceived into thinking we have reason to sit and wait for it to happen. We must keep pushing on and spreading the gospel in everyway we know how. God Bless.
The rapture of the Church is the best and the last sign and event, as the begining of the upcoming of the Lord Jesus, that announces the return of Christ 7 years later after the rapture. All we must know is that the rapture of the Church will be the fulfilment of the feast of the Trumpets that announces the upcoming of the last week ( 70th year) of Daniel prophecy ( Da. 9: 27) during which will be fulfilled the feast of the expiation, the repentance and the conversion of Israel to Christ.
Who are the just In Matthew 13:49-50 when believing christians have already been taken at the rapture, seven years earlier? Are the just those who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Savior during the tribulation? I wonder, esp. since Matthew 13:30 speaks of the wheat that has to be fully grown along with the tares. But you suggest that the wheat has already been gathered at this point. Some Bible teachers suggest therefore that this time period (Matt.13:49-50), at the end of the world, is the end of the millennial reign of Christ.
The ingathering does not take place until the return of Christ,matthew 24 states it is after the tribulation and the parable you quoted shows the same.
If Jesus could have come at any time, what would have happened to His promises yet unfulfilled had He come in, say...perhaps 1420 A.D.? Promises such as the return of the Jews to their land?
Then how do you interpret Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 if it is not the rapture?: "Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left." "I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
No Pre-Trib unfortunately. I pray we are praying now for strength to endure the Tribulation. The common mistake is not seperating God's Wrath from Tribulation!!!
The second confusing statement, is related to those who will enter into the millennium . The millennium will have those who will believe during the tribulation, Jews mostly, and Gentiles who did not reject the gospel ever before, I.e. They never heard the message before the tribulation time.
Dr. Hitchcock did not read the verse fully, it does not say at the rapture we don't go the fathers house, but to be with the Lord all the time where ever he goes. As he comes and touches the mount olive after the tribulation we are with him in the air and rule with him on earth from the air.
You both never mention the dead will rise first, until that happens there is no rapture. One only second coming. Both those verses mentioned refer to the same incident.
Matthew 24 is NOT talking about the rapture! Who is it addressed to then? The Hebrews! Verse ;3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him PRIVATELY, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (who so reads, let him understand:) Only the Hebrews would know that this refers to their history! 16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: SINCE when do all of the church live in Judea ? 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the SABBATH day: Who keeps the Sabbath today ? Unbelieving Jews who are still under the law, because they do not believe Jesus.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other. Are Angels going to raise anyone from the dead? NO! The sound of a trumpet! Whose trumpet is this ? The angels trumpet, NOT the trump of God. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Will the world be carrying on business as usual at the end of the tribulation? Absolutely not,! For quite a while they will have been trying to figure out how to avoid all the wrath of God falling on the earth which has already killed billions of people! Since the first 69 weeks of Daniel 9-24 were for the Hebrews and Jerusalem, however does the church get fitted into the 70th week? The rapture was not revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ. He knew about it of course, but He did not reveal it. He left that to the apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15; 51 Behold, I shew you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. How could it possibly be a mystery if Jesus had already revealed it ? It is a pre 7 years time of Jacob's trouble; rapture for the church.
I believe you are confused because my Bible scriptures explain in Matthew 24: 15-31 describe the end of the age concerning Christ’s Second coming. Before in verse 14 says and then the end will come.
Matthew 24 was indeed talking to the church. Who so reads let him understand. They werent reading, they were hearing. Jesus's words then were not meant for them in their time. It was meant for the future time. When scripture would be written and spread among the nations. If you look around right now, prophecy is being fulfilled. Think about Trump and what he just declared for Jerusalem. This will accelerate the peace process in Israel. We are coming to the time of tribulation. However do not be deceived. The church will not be raptured out until the latter part of the great tribulation. It is all in scripture. Truth is in front of our eyes and true believing hearts can understand.
![Lp. Сердце Вселенной #60 РОЖДЕНИЕ ЛОЛОЛОШКИ [Финал] • Майнкрафт](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/YoR0pAV9FVQ/mqdefault.jpg)
Thank you so much for this educative Bible teaching message this is a great eyes opening.God blessed you all
"Faith is the gift of God" (Ephesians 2:8-9)
Great teachings. Thank you so much..God bless.
This is the best scriptural based evidence I have ever seen to support Pre-Tribulation Rapture...thank you!
THIS VERY WONDERFUL TEACHIN I UNDERSTAND FULLY THANK YOU SO MUCH god bless
This is what the Lord has showed me back in 1992.
very good
1 Thessalonians:
4:16 The Lord Himself will come with shout and the trump of God.
4:16 Dead in Christ will rise first.
4:17 We who are alive will be caught up together with them in the clouds.
5:2 & 6 The day of the Lord will come like a thief except to believers who are awake and sober.
5:9 For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ.
There is no mention of the great tribulation in 1 Thessalonians. Only the 'day of the Lord' mentioned, which is when God's wrath is poured out at the end of the great tribulation.
When I just read 1 Thessalonians, I see a rapture at some point before the day of the Lord. But I cannot conclude from this book if the rapture is a day before the day of the Lord or seven years before.
matt 24 is the only place that plainly states when the Rapture is,and that is at the 2nd coming.
Phenomenal teaching. Just phenomenal. 👉 9:10 👊
The whole context of Luke 17:26 and following starts with "As it was in the day of Noah...and of Lot, so shall it be at the coming of the Son of Man. In contrast to your two theologians, who take that final verse to mean that those taken away are taken to judgment, it raises the question of "were Noah and Lot taken away to judgment?" The integrity of the total context is aborted if those taken away are taken away to judgment. Note this, too, that all the judgments of Revelation and those leading up to the Tribulation are all on the earth and its geophysical surroundings. Those left behind are left for the judgment that is waiting for them, the flood and the destruction of Sodom. Thus, I challenge your conclusions as to this passage in Luke 17 that that final answer of Jesus to the disciples totally reverses the integrity of the context.
It seems that Jesus gave us a starting point in Luke 21:28 in the context of the parable of the fig tree's blossoming, that is the return of the Jews to their land in 1948, when He said, "When these things begin to happen, look up for your redemption draws near." Are we seeing what Daniel 12 spoke of, that the opening of the book is to be done at the end of days?
Amen
1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 speaks of The Church being taken up, and remaining with The Lord forever. The Lord descends, preceded by an archangel. The dead are raised on the last day, and those who are alive will meet them. This does not give the time period of taking place, prior to the rapture. 1 Thessalonians is an epistle. Continue reading into Ch. 5:1-11, and the subject continues. "Seasons and times" are irrelevant. 1 (Thessalonians 5:1) They know that The Lord comes as a "thief in the night" (1 Thessalonians 5:2) The Lord explains the same when asked about His coming. (Revelation 16:15; Matthew 24:42-44), yet it shall not overtake the Saints as a thief. (1 Thessalonians 5:4) As a pregnant woman in labor (1 Thessalonians 5:3) The Lord describes the same circumstances concerning his own coming. (Matthew 24:8) 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. -1 Thessalonians 4:16 Angels gather The Saints from the 4 winds, and the corners of the earth. (Mark 13:27) This occurs with a loud trumpet call. (Matthew 24:31) And when are the dead raised? On the LAST DAY when The Lord returns! (John 5:29; 6:40)
It's not just referring to "Tribulation Saints." ALL Saints! Is the Olivet Discourse only applying to Jews? No it is not! Christ says, what He tells to His disciples, He tells to ALL in that discourse! WATCH! (Mark 13:37) The "coming of The Lord" (1 Thessalonians 4:15) Is clearly referring to the time of His 2nd Coming. He came ONCE for atonement, a second time for the salvation of those who believe. (Hebrews 9:28) No time prior....Also, there is a claim that the "Blessed Hope" is the Pre-Tribulation Rapture. Not so. Paul explains this has being His GLORIOUS appearing. (Titus 2:13) All eyes will see. The "Blessed Hope," according to Titus 2:13 is the 2nd Coming of Jesus Christ. Another misinterpretation of a pre-tribulation rapture comes from 1 Corinthians 15:51-53. A "mystery" is told, that at the sound of the Last Trumpet, in a twinkling of an eye, the dead will be raised, and we shall be changed incorruptible. What is the objective "mystery?" It isn't a pre-tribulation rapture...it is that at the 2nd Coming, those alive will be transformed, rather than suffering death, prior. This is followed by Death and Hades being swallowed up in Victory. (1 Corinthians 15:54-55) This happens at Christ's Judgment for ALL people. Not years prior....and we are told to be steadfast and enduring. (1 Corinthians 15:56-58) Furthermore, The Last Trumpet....and YES, this is true theology that Pre-tribbers are too stubborn to accept.
The "Last Trumpet" is the 7th Trumpet. (Revelation 11:15-19) What occurs during this Trumpet? The Kingdoms of the world become The Lord's and will rule for all eternity. (Revelation 11:15-16), which of course, is preceded by an angel. Clarified again in Revelation 19:17. An angel, "standing in the sun." (Singular, just as in 1 Thessalonians 4:16) These are all descriptions of the 2nd Coming of Christ. The Last Day, and The Last Trumpet. Lastly, the misinterpretation of Revelation 3:10, they will be "kept from the hour of trial." Firstly, this is referring singular to the 1st Century Church of Philadelphia, "The Faithful Church." He tells them to "Hold Fast" and to overcome. He "comes quickly." This is ALL language referring to Christ's Second Coming. (Revelation 22:12-14) This is also to The Church of Philadelphia. so it doesn't apply to ALL Christians. Why not The Church of Smyrna, which was the Persecuted Church? (Revelation 2:8-11) They were told to be Faithful unto death, and will receive their "Crown of Life." Those who ENDURE TO THE END are saved. (Matthew 24:13) Was the 1st Century Church of Philadelphia whisked away? No, they weren't! Don't expect to be whisked away, prior, either. The same writer records Christ saying that His intent is not to take us out of the world, but to sanctify us, and keep us from the evil one. (John 17:13-15)
We will be preserved through trials, and not suffer the Final Judgment. God does not send plagues for us. Remember, the Locusts from the pit were only given authority to torment those who take the Mark of the Beast. (Revelation 9:4-5) Our endurance is persecution of Anti-Christ. (Revelation 13-14) Christ gave us the Great Commission, and said He'd be with us until the end of the Age. (Matthew 28:20), and the ends of the earth. (Acts 1:8) The Gospel goes to the ends of the Earth, as a Witness, and THEN the end comes. (Matthew 24:14; Revelation 14:6) The end of the Age is just that. Until Christ returns. "This Age, and the Age to come," which is eternal Life. (Luke 18:30), not prior for a Pre-Tribulation rapture. Furthermore, the Early Church was post-Tribulation, and not Pre-Tribulation. This ideology has its roots in 19th Century Dispensationalism. Not in scripture, nor in early Church History. There is no Pre-Tribulation Rapture. It is only a distortion of scripture, and anti-evangelism. It makes Christians lazy, because they don't believe they will be subject to persecution of that kind. Look at the Middle East. That kind of persecution of The Saints will be global. Never let your Faith be demeaned.
The Tribulation is an urgency for people to receive God's grace prior to Judgment. Case Closed! I suppose another comes from Luke 21:36. Watch and pray that you may be counted worthy to ESCAPE these things. What does He also say, concerning this day, if you are alive in Judea? Flee to the mountains, and leave whatever you are doing behind! (Mark 13:14-16) The days are shortened for the elect's sake, yet they are not removed from the Earth. (Mark 13:20) "Escape" did not mean to be taken away from the Earth, but to get out of the way....and what time period was being explained? There is this mingle between the Jews judgment between 66-73AD when the Temple and city are left desolate, and then Christ deals with the planet. And of course, the classic misinterpretation, those who are "taken," and those who are "left." Where are those who are "taken" end up? Being meals for vultures. (Luke 17:37; Revelation 19:17-18) EVERYTHING used to SPECULATE a pre-tribulation rapture is simply a misunderstanding of scripture.
No other branch of Christianity believes this outside of Scoffieldist Evangelicals, and with an objective study of scripture, they are simply wrong! The Parable of the Wheat and the Tares and the Dragnet should be enough. (Matthew 13) The field is the world, and the wheat is reaped from the tares at the time of the Harvest which represents the END OF THE AGE. In the dragnet parable, the good fish are separated from the bad fish at the end of the age....but Dispensationalists have to force an abuse of the text that it's only referring to Israel and not The Church.....even though Christ says that ALL should watch for the fullness of these signs. (Mark 13:37) Pre-Tribulation believers are in for some serious regrets if they don't repent from false doctrine.
Show less
Every single word is spot on. I couldn't have said it better even on my best day. Wish more people would heed your words.
Agree. 🇵🇷
So if its the first resurection when the pre rapture happens and everyone goes with christ, when do the people who are saved and die for the name of jesus during the tribulation resurrect???? If the first resurrection already happened?
Edgar Santana the rapture and the second coming are the same event. We should not be deceived as they are trying to make us think. Clear in scripture: here are the best scriptures to look at: 1 Thess. 4:13-18/ 1 Corinthians 6:14 & 2 Corinthians 4:14/ Matthew 24: 15-31 & 1 Corinthians 15:51-52
These verses confirm EVERYONE will b here when Jesus returns....no rapture....
Psalms 50:3
Zechariah 14:1-4,
Revelations 1:7,
Revelations 5:10,
1 Corinthians 15:52,
Isaiah 2:2-3,
Revelations 20 1-15
Revelations 20:4-5 specifically says
"And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5.But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection."
yes. This is truth. For scripture is truth, therefore it cannot lie. What really saddens me is that so many people are following the belief that they will be raptured out early at any imminent time and this is just not biblically true. THis I feel will dissappoint many many people and will cause them to lose hope. Those of us who know scripture know the truth and will not be deceived. For we will know when the season is here for rapture, when we see certain things take place. The rapture does happen but only in a matter of days before the wrath begins and ends at the second coming. It is all foreshadowed in the bible with the biblical feasts. But noone should be deceived into thinking we have reason to sit and wait for it to happen. We must keep pushing on and spreading the gospel in everyway we know how. God Bless.
Toby Brewer Your wrong.
Edgar Santana The first resurrection is the second coming.
The rapture of the Church is the best and the last sign and event, as the begining of the upcoming of the Lord Jesus, that announces the return of Christ 7 years later after the rapture. All we must know is that the rapture of the Church will be the fulfilment of the feast of the Trumpets that announces the upcoming of the last week ( 70th year) of Daniel prophecy ( Da. 9: 27) during which will be fulfilled the feast of the expiation, the repentance and the conversion of Israel to Christ.
Who are the just In Matthew 13:49-50 when believing christians have already been taken at the rapture, seven years earlier? Are the just those who have repented and accepted Jesus as their Savior during the tribulation?
I wonder, esp. since Matthew 13:30 speaks of the wheat that has to be fully grown along with the tares. But you suggest that the wheat has already been gathered at this point.
Some Bible teachers suggest therefore that this time period (Matt.13:49-50), at the end of the world, is the end of the millennial reign of Christ.
The ingathering does not take place until the return of Christ,matthew 24 states it is after the tribulation and the parable you quoted shows the same.
Louise D the just are Israel. The new creatures in christ are not Israel.
If Jesus could have come at any time, what would have happened to His promises yet unfulfilled had He come in, say...perhaps 1420 A.D.? Promises such as the return of the Jews to their land?
Matthew 24 is NOT a RAPTURE passage. That is why people get mixed up.
Then how do you interpret Matthew 24:40-41 and Luke 17:34-35 if it is not the rapture?:
"Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left."
"I tell you, on that night two people will be in one bed; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding grain together; one will be taken and the other left.”
No Pre-Trib unfortunately. I pray we are praying now for strength to endure the Tribulation. The common mistake is not seperating God's Wrath from Tribulation!!!
The second confusing statement, is related to those who will enter into the millennium . The millennium will have those who will believe during the tribulation, Jews mostly, and Gentiles who did not reject the gospel ever before, I.e. They never heard the message before the tribulation time.
Kameel Farag You are not a Jew or a Gentile today. You are a new creature in christ.
Kameel Farag Correct.
Absolutely there is.
Dr. Hitchcock did not read the verse fully, it does not say at the rapture we don't go the fathers house, but to be with the Lord all the time where ever he goes. As he comes and touches the mount olive after the tribulation we are with him in the air and rule with him on earth from the air.
You both never mention the dead will rise first, until that happens there is no rapture. One only second coming. Both those verses mentioned refer to the same incident.
Both these men are educated at the same university that teaches pre tribulation rapture.
What does 1Thessalonians 4:16 say????
It seems you are arguing about something as important as the various colors of unicorns.
Matthew 24 is NOT talking about the rapture! Who is it addressed to then? The Hebrews! Verse ;3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him PRIVATELY, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (who so reads, let him understand:) Only the Hebrews would know that this refers to their history! 16 Then let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains: SINCE when do all of the church live in Judea ? 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the SABBATH day: Who keeps the Sabbath today ? Unbelieving Jews who are still under the law, because they do not believe Jesus.31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of HEAVEN to the other. Are Angels going to raise anyone from the dead? NO! The sound of a trumpet! Whose trumpet is this ? The angels trumpet, NOT the trump of God. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, Will the world be carrying on business as usual at the end of the tribulation? Absolutely not,! For quite a while they will have been trying to figure out how to avoid all the wrath of God falling on the earth which has already killed billions of people! Since the first 69 weeks of Daniel 9-24 were for the Hebrews and Jerusalem, however does the church get fitted into the 70th week? The rapture was not revealed by the Lord Jesus Christ. He knew about it of course, but He did not reveal it. He left that to the apostle Paul. 1 Corinthians 15; 51 Behold, I shew you a MYSTERY; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. How could it possibly be a mystery if Jesus had already revealed it ? It is a pre 7 years time of Jacob's trouble; rapture for the church.
Paul Ryan Jesus revealed the Rapture in John 14:1-6.
I believe you are confused because my Bible scriptures explain in Matthew 24: 15-31 describe the end of the age concerning Christ’s Second coming. Before in verse 14 says and then the end will come.
Matthew 24 was indeed talking to the church. Who so reads let him understand. They werent reading, they were hearing. Jesus's words then were not meant for them in their time. It was meant for the future time. When scripture would be written and spread among the nations. If you look around right now, prophecy is being fulfilled. Think about Trump and what he just declared for Jerusalem. This will accelerate the peace process in Israel. We are coming to the time of tribulation. However do not be deceived. The church will not be raptured out until the latter part of the great tribulation. It is all in scripture. Truth is in front of our eyes and true believing hearts can understand.
Paul Ryan That was an amazing comment,which I shall be using if you don't mind.Thank you.
Toby Brewer It's all in the interpretation.
What heresy!!
One thing that they certainly have in common is they are both fiction.
Ron Rhodes repeats stupidly: "the rapture is BEFORE the tribulation."
Read the Bible!