There’s a famine pot (massive iron cauldron) near my home in Donegal where people would travel to for rations from those donations! There’s a small piece about the contribution on the Choctaw people and it is really beautiful.
Yeah, it's insane to think that a Native American tribe thousands of miles away, who themselves were facing just as much oppression, stepped up in such a heartwarming way.
@@fradrake11 The Irish have maintained contact with the Chocktaw for all these years. I think there is a bond there that will never be broken. (My family is Irish. I am actually first generation Canadian and only now starting to learn more about my Irish heritage :))
Yakoke, to our Choctaw brothers and sisters . You stood with us when nobody cared …….. may the great mother protect your people and ours. Shilup to your people we now are one. Slán agus beanacht . 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪
British govt donated £8 million directly to the irish. Set up a works program that employed 144k irish people which in turn supported 800k irish people. Cost price food shops for the poor. Soup kitchens that fed millions. Repealed tax laws making food cheaper. Multiple brit charities also aided. Nearly a million Irish people fled to Britain to be cared for. Unfortunately bringing with them a Typhus epidemic which killed thousands of British people. Britain helped Ireland during the famine more than the entire planet combined & what do the Irish do,,,,,,,, they slap us in the face & call it genocide!
Ireland has never forgotten the generosity of the Choctaw people. During the Covid-19 pandemic Ireland sent aid to the Choctaw as recognition for their amazing act of kindness.
@@TheJthom9lol it’s called teaching history in school. The syllabus covers Great Britain, Ireland, Europe, the Americas, Australia, and a little of eastern Europe, as well as India, Africa and a little of China. Basically pre history to modern times. That’s primary to secondary school. Imagine that ????
I know all of this. I was born in Ireland but have lived all my adult life in U.K. it is a good and fair country. I don’t dwell on the past. It’s gone. There are so many more people all over the word who need our help. Let’s think of them instead.
@@patricialewis1464 It hasn't gone. The effects of colonisation still last today. We once spoke our own language but it became illegal so even though it's taught in school up until 17 or 18 now so many still struggle to speak it and language is a vehicle for culture. It was not just the famine, our land was stolen from us, our people murdered and raped and sent off as indentured servants and slaves to the Caribbean. We were even banned from practicising our religion. That is just the tip of the iceberg and this was less than 200 years ago and the effects continue to be long lasting. And what about the six counties that still belong to the UK? You have no idea. If another country did this to the UK, how would you feel? Would you be happy if someone just said move on?! I don't think so! Britain did this worldwide and yet have the audacity to call themselves great and wonder why they are not well regarded.
@@moorenicola6264 Alot of us dont think we are great at all. Im English/Irish and me grandad taught me the history. The community i grew up in is Irish. Not all of us are a part of this or had any part in it. Alot of us here hate the government and royals for many reasons including this as the main one. Just saying incase you think we are all the same here.
As an Irish woman I can tell you this is NEVER forgotten in Ireland. I wont comment further except to say that the pain of it is very deeply ingrained. I thank my ancesters today for my very existence and each year as I enjoy the new season potatoes I pray for them and give thanks and remember their incredible sacrifice. May they truly rest in peace
The places were they are has no hunger, and no pain. They rest well and rejoice seeing the people of Ireland happier and more prosperous now than most any other time in history.
We have a song called The fields of Athenry about the famine and there's a line in it "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn so the young might see the morn. Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay". People were shackled and put on ships to Australia for stealing food to feed their families. Absolutely heartbreaking. X
@jo-annemcgrogan9456: I’d like to add that the chorus is still and often sung at sports events where Ireland competes, and not only against England. Lav might have heard and seen the Irish fans sing it.
look the same ones behind this genocide were behind the native american genocide and the ones behind all the wars to date and they own big pharma its all about depopulation these elites are psychopathic evil.
As an Irishman I have to say, fair play to you, it definitely bugs us Irish that a lot of British people seem ignorant and apothetic to that particular era in our history, I understand that it isn't taught in schools so you taking the time to learn about this and put the information out there in an accessible way is very important, and I believe an important way for our countries to move forward peacefully, thank you
Fella lots of people in my area know of this. The irish have always had close links with us and many came over for work and a better life, not so much now because the main industries have gone. The irish have been settling in my area for 200 years that i know of.
@@neilferguson5940We Irish went everywhere in the world as we were well aware of UK aim to wipe us off the face of the earth. The British looted, pillaged, murdered, raped, planned genocides and commited every war crime known to humanity with impunity. Wherever we went we worked and in UK and US we were considered as less than human. This British description was carried around the world.Irish people were slaves in the Carribbean and this revisionist nonsense about us being indentured servants is ridiculous. There is not one 'indentured servant contract' for Irish Catholics on the planet. Maybe there's are some for planters who went to America but they would be British not Irish.
Ignorance goes both ways. Cromwell was a cruel committer of genocide in Ireland, but he also killed the King of England. This is a time when Irish Catholics formed an alliance with English Royalists (the word 'Tory' is Irish for 'bandit' and dates to this time). Cromwell was a Puritan Protestant Republican against Royalist Catholics. It is so simple and tempting to think of British-Irish history as absolute, but the moving parts on each side (particularly on the British side) tell you how many overlapping and continually moving allegiances there were. But in the end, none of us were there, and none of us suffered through this. We are taught to connect with something that is not connected to our lives now, and never was. The past was full of heartache for 90% of everyone who ever lived until about 1900
I'm american of irish background. This is the reason why I'm American, my family immigrated here from Ireland due to the famine. The Irish who came, came with absolutely nothing at all. My great great grandfather worked everyday in the PA coal mines to feed his family of 6 kids, mother, wife and himself. Generational poverty lasted until my grandfather because the famine and the landlords took every thing. I still keep a picture of my great great grandad as a reminder of who I am and where I come from.
Your great great grandfather represents 1/16th of who you are. In fact, it may be even less considering the fact DNA is not passed down proportionately
We gratefully thank the Choctaw people for their kindness and a beautiful memorial has been erected in Co. Cork in their honour. Its incredibly beautiful.
Lovely video! As a Norwegian, I can tell you that the British Government back in the 1800s did the same thing to Norway, however, nowhere near as badly as with the Irish. They blocked up the sea between Denmark and Norway, and ensured that all import of grain ended up on English vessels. Our (rather) famous dramatist and poet, Henrik Ibsen, wrote about a man called Terje Vigen, who rows in a small dinghy across the sea to Denmark to purchase grain. However, on his way back he is caught by the British and sent to serve on a prison vessel (whatever they were called back then). His wife and daughter starved back home. And on it goes. Don't get me wrong, I'm part English and love England, but the void-damned government and all its historical and present zealots can rot in a very special place in hell. Much love to Ireland and the Choctaws! (This video should be shown in every classroom on the planet.) Éirinn go Brách! Yakoke to the Choctaws!
I'm sorry but I don't like the English, never will. Is there any country that they haven't robbed from, or caused loss of life. Heartship, of course the English are not all the same, but I will never set foot in England England
Er , I think you will find that the French imposed the Continental Blockade / Continental System to stop neutrals trading with the British during the Napoleonic War in which I sense poem is set . It was a problem for our usually trading partners but not for Britain as we obtained supplies from North and South America and smuggled goods from Russia through Spain,which prompted Napoleon's invasion of both those countries. Denmark although claiming neutrality was a threat as they were closely tied to the French and openly traded with that nation . After the reduction of the Danish navy at Copenhagen the Royal Navy used Heligoland as a base to control Baltic trade to France . Anyone attempting to enter Denmark in a state of war would be interned under the normal rules of war . I hope all Norwegians are not this ill informed or poorly educated .
I'm an Irish teacher here in Dublin and this episode is a pivotal moment in our history. It was a turning moment which mostly guaranteed our movement toward independence. We spent the next 30 years reclaiming our land, 30 years rebuilding our culture, in particular our sports, music, dance, history and mythology and to a degree our language. Finally, in the 1910s, we reclaimed partical independence through Home Rule (the precursor to devolution) and later our total independence over the next 40 years. So, some of those who were born during the Famine lived to see our state formed in the 1920s. The Famine lit the flame of Irish independence. Without the terrible suffering we went through, we would not be the people we are today, for good or for bad.
Did not exactly lit the flame of Irish independence, because there were a lot of rebellions against the english rule prior to the famine as you probably know, most notably in 1798 led by Wolfe Tone. But for sure the famine was a major turning point. After that atrocity, the days of british rule were numbered...
Well I salute you on taking the time to To learn your history and especially to watch the video that was the harder one to watch. We always need to remember that what our governments do and what we do as a people are two completely different things. Cheers from the U.S.
It is impossible to forgive the deliberate starvation of the Irish, and the destruction of the country. It is also impossible to forgive the education system in England, trying to wipe out the history
Yeah it was kind of shocking hearing how much Thurston didn't know about this. I was taught about the Potato Famine in American public school. Yes, they didn't go as much into how the British government intentionally let people starve and said it was Gods will, and instead focused more on the failure of potato crops, but I definitely knew that it was in the 19th century and about the fact that the situation was that most people in Ireland were poor and under the rule of British landholders. But, I suppose it's not that shocking when you consider that there's more people of Irish ancestry in the US than there are in Ireland.
I have an Irish ancestor who came to the US during the potato famine so I always assumed that’s why he immigrated here. My grandma told me that he actually came to US because he was a boxer, and he could make more money here. I do have some ancestors that genuinely moved to the US because of the famine though
Our direct family went to Canada first then the US. Had some extended family go to the US during the famine too so we've been here for a WHILE. Family history always started at where we ended up after we left during the famine so it's surprising Brits don't know about it.
I went to a English government founded school in the North of Ireland and even in my history class was told it was a famine. It wasn't until the Internet arrived and my love of history I found it was more a genocide than a famine. Also the Irish who imagined to England helped build city's like London but Liverpool and Manchester too. Some great documentaries on you tube about it. God bless fella 👍🇮🇪
@@malachytully5469 40 thousand prior to partation ethnically cleansed.... Because of their bloodline and non Catholic faith.. Famine took non catholics lives also but that is never mentioned. Scotland. UK and all of Europe had a famine same time. But they didn't go to conceiving child 12/14/16 in middle of it.
As an Irish person, thank you for highlighting what happened during the great famine. I hope we can learn from from history for the sake of all our children.
I’m English but having an Irish mother I went to a catholic school. Most of the kids there had Irish parents. The famine was strangely avoided in our history lessons. Most of us knew about it through our families.
@@markkavanagh4457 He's got at least two Irish Grandparents - which actually fully entitles him to not only an Irish passport, therefore Irish identity and nationality; but he's allowed to identify with whichever side of his lineage he feels he wants to!!!
An Gorta Mór wasn't a famine, it was a genocide by the British elite to save their own people and not the Irish. They did the exact same to Bengal during WW2 and tried to pass that off as a famine too.
Hi thank you as an English person to address this- this was not taught in English history. And THIS is the reason for the conflict in ireland- this is why ireland became divided we the Irish fought back but we didn't get our whole country back. During those times the Irish were forbidden from speaking their language and practising their religion too.
The chocktaw people sent 7 cows, which might not seem like much but they sent more than much more than many could. It was a big deal in America and really helped solidify the villianification of andrew jackson for the trail of tears.
We were taught this. Some of my ancestors walked the Trail of Tears...and I've gotta lotta stories that I teach the children in the family. I'm watching a lotta stuff unfold these days that make me scared for the children. Chahta ohoyo sia.
Thank you for posting, for learning and for the discussion. You're keeping alive the memory of the more than 2 million people that we lost. Britain terrorised our country for the greater part of more than 800 years.
@@IndieRockerHippy How about conquering the entire country, killing 1/2 the population, destroying 2/3 of the country's infrastructure, deporting more to work as slaves, conscripting others to run their navy, exiling still more to Australia so they could not fight back, banning their religion, language and culture.... I could go on but you get the point. There are entire histories available to read about this topic, I hope you enjoy reading them.
@@IndieRockerHippy i would say using ground up bones of irish people as a fertilizer ingridient. a thing britian actually did at one point; one british fertilizer company used to even advertize that on the packiging.
Its rough learning about your country's sins. I learned of the Trail of Tears when I was your age, and it awoke in me a new path of learning, a new way to see the world.
If your Honest you would acknowledge that NOTHING done by Europeans was any different or worse than what Indians did to other tribes. My local Tribe were Slavers & exterminated several local smaller bands. There is nothing Noble about Indians, just immigrants from Asia.
Lakota and Irish here and it’s so good to see a young Brit wanting to learn and understand history! This was not a potato famine but another attempted genocide!
There's more Americans of Irish descent than there are Irish in Ireland today because of how many fled to the US (during, before and after this, but basically always to escape British oppression.)
Unfortunately the Irish who arrived in America faced the same discrimination, most of the Americans in power came from English protestant ancestors, the Irish were greeted with medical devices to prove they were sub human
@@gradualdecay1040 proof? They may have allowed soup kitchens early in the famine years, but famously claimed that losing one million Irish people to starvation was just fine. Where did you find what you call fact?
And now you know of one of the reasons Ireland has issues with England. But its good to see people learning the history, learning the truth, England tries to hide its crimes from shame. But you have to learn the history you have to know, that's how we learn and how we ensure it never happens again. Respect to you for taking the time to watch.
I'm Irish, I've heard that before that the Brits weren't taught in school about all the bad things the British did, only the good things. So they don't know the histiory of Ireland.
Believe it or not. Boris Johnson put a Trevelyan in charge of international aid. She had some interesting view on famine relief. Some things never change.
In 1845, Ottoman Sultan Abdul-Mejid I of Turkey declared his intention to send 10,000 sterling to Irish farmers during the Great Famine, but Queen Victoria requested that the Sultan send only 1,000 sterling, because she had sent only 2,000 sterling herself. The Sultan sent the 1,000 sterling but also secretly sent 3 ships full of food. The English courts tried to block the ships, but the food arrived in Drogheda harbor and was left there by Ottoman Sailors. Reference: “The Sultan of Turkey, Abdul Medjid Khan: A Brief Memoir of His Life and Reign, with Notices of The Country, its Navy, & present Prospects” by the Rev. Henry Christmas, M.A., 1853 ...and then to add to that, in 1854 just two years after the Great famine ended, Ireland helped Abdulmejid during the Crimean War by sending nurses and engineers along with 30,000 soldiers to defend Ottoman territory against invading Russians. Despite the suffering that the irish and their families had endured during the Great Famine, they were noticed to be serving enthusiastically in defense of the territory of the sultan who had helped them in their time of need. Reference - Christine Kinealy, "Charity and the Great Hunger in Ireland: The Kindness of Strangers" (New York: Bloomsbury, 2013), 115-119. | David Murphy, “Ireland and the Crimean War 1854-6", History Ireland 11 (2003), 34-38.
Yeah I heard about this as well. Still, it's a shame most of the food sent wasn't received by the Irish but instead the British who well.... You know what they did with it.
Drogheda United football team have the star and crescent on their crest to honour what the Ottoman Empire assistance did for the Irish in the famine. They also share the share the same colours as Turkish side Trabzonspor and became sister clubs in 2011.
@@roadrash1282 there's actually a lot more to that story behind the drogheda emblem and the star/crescent symbol in ireland dating back all the way to the 12th century, from various friendly interactions with the ottomans and even the byzantines back when they had control of cyprus, which is when King Richard I first saw the symbol and wanted to adopt it for his chancellor's coat of arms. there's a lot more to it way too much to include it all here but it's really interesting backstory if you want to look it up.
It’s hard to believe that this myth about the sultan of Turkey sending ship loads of food to Ireland during the famine is still being regurgitated. This myth has been totally debunked by the local and well respected historians of Drogheda. The star and crescent of Drogheda goes back to when Drogheda received it’s charter as a town, from the English king at the time of the crusades, about 600 years before the famine. Portsmouth in England has a similar crest. It’s got nothing to do with the Turkish sultan sending shiploads of food to Drogheda, which never happened.
Please share this far and wide, in fairness this video should be shown in every English history class in every school, people need to know this true history
As an Irish woman who studies Irish history. This is the most interesting reaction I have ever seen. You’re right it was 100% England that inflicted what we know as genocide not a famine. We need to learn from history then move on. The English people are so friendly. No English person today is responsible for any of this. The schools in England withhold the real history of its country. The film “ The wind that shakes the barley “ was only shown in 8 cinemas in England. Johnathan Ross made sure he seen it. He came out of the cinema physically emotional. He said “ he never knew his country were responsible for such horror “. Thank you for educating yourself on history. So much respect to you. Remember as horrible as it was, it’s history. Let’s all live in peace ✌️.
It's not so much English schools as consecutive UK governments, it doesn't suit any government to talk about the sins of the British empire as they were many and varied, and often bring the awkward financial topic of reparations into the conversation.
The British Government asked the Sultan NOT to send £10,000 as promised, as it would have been embarrassing to Queen Victoria, who had sent significantly less. I lived in a town called Drogheda which still has a star and crescent on the badge of the local football team, in recognition of the act.
I'm an Aussie and I learned about this in school. I remember that the history teacher I had, was Scottish, so his contempt of the Brits that instigated the travesty, was obvious to his students. It would be easy to assume, that Britain was the forefront of World exploration. However, nearly all the countries they "discovered" and claimed as part of the British Empire, where, in reality, exploited and pillaged by them. Australia was initially used only as a penal colony. India was exploited for is produce etc. When the Brits claimed New Zealand, they drew up a treaty with the Māori people there, in which the Māoris would be given certain rights. British sovereignty over the country was proclaimed on 21 May 1840. The Treaty of Waitangi was a broad statement of principles on which the British and Māori made a political compact to found a nation state and build a government in New Zealand. However, the British failed/refused to keep their promises in the treaty to the Māori people. Of course these poorly implemented Empire "land grabs", happened a long time ago. It is hoped that, that history, never repeats.
So surprised this isn’t part of your curriculum. We covered this when I was in HS here in the US, though not in great detail. That was also in the ‘90s. I can’t imagine what the cover now.
I just graduated from HS last year. We talked about the Irish potato famine and the discrimination that Irish immigrants faced. And how the Know Nothing Party grew in popularity during the time period, due to their anti-immigration ideas
I'm not surprised it's not in the curriculum. A politician saying there are two many people to support human life. Then tries to slow down birth rates. If you're paying attention it sounds the same as current politicians.
Trevelyan is mentioned in our most famous sports song “the fields of athenry”. He is almost on par to Cromwell. You should check out his antics in Ireland. Also. You should dig deeper into how rich Ireland was before the English took over.
The really horrid thing is that Trevelyan was Cornish. The Cornish people are a Celtic people, closely related to Welsh and Cumbrian people who once spoke a Brythonic language before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons in the 5th and 6th Century. The accounts of the Irish peasants being at fault for their own demise is an evil form of gaslighting and victim blaming at its worst.
@@jgdooley2003 totally agree and the Tudors were welsh and other leaders such as Lloyd George was a Welshman i as a proud Irishman don’t totally 100% just the “english” but all uk governments whether they be welsh English or Scottish not just simply English…..
Well said.. and as our government is not 100 years old yet..we have the 5th highest GDP in the world.. all down to education resilience and hard work. And a strong culture that the English could never break.. no matter how hard they tried !
During Boris Johnson's recent Brexit debacle, the low-life that is Priti Patel stood up in Parliament and said that Britain could starve the Irish, so they'd better come on side with the UK. That remark was laughed at and despised in equal measure in Ireland. However, it shows that in certain Conservative quarters the colonial attitude still exists. And it certainly was a bit 'rich' coming from her with her background. Today Ireland's population of 5 million produces enough food for 36 million. The Famine was a deliberately orchestrated genocide; we in Ireland were always well aware of that.
The famine was why my Irish ancestor and his 2 brothers immigrated first to Canada and later my grandmother’s father moved the family to the US. During these early days in the US, many businesses were run by people of English ancestry. It was common for them to post signs “Irish need not apply.” So many immigrants from a number of countries experienced prejudice and look how long it took for black Americans to achieve equality. I went to school and later a University in the US and we were taught about all the prejudices people had to overcome. This was in the late 1950’s until 1970. It was a big deal when John Kennedy was elected the first Irish Catholic President. I am grateful that my schooling taught us about the negatives and the positives about our History as a nation.
Fairplay to you for doing this , makes me happy to see English people learning the history of my country, and also let it not be forgotten the hurt they caused on their own people, especially those in more northern areas, and the Scottish had more than their fair share . Respect and happy St Patrick's day .
I'm surprised you didn't learn much about this in school. I'm in my mid-twenties, so I imagine closer to your age than many others, and I learned quite a bit about this in American high school. US history curriculum focuses several units on learning what factors pushed people to emigrate to the United States from elsewhere, and this famine had a section in our textbooks. "The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine" is a quote I still remember from my education.
I live in Arizona, and the Irish helping the Navajos here during Covid (because the Choctaw helped the Irish during the famine) was a local news story. My own family left Ireland after the famine. Sad as the story is, it is important to remember that the people alive today were not the ones responsible back then - and it is entirely possible that even the normal British people back then weren't given an accurate story by the newspapers. It is not a matter of "they (the Brits) did that to us (the Irish)." No, dead people did that to other dead people. HOWEVER, we have to be aware that the mentality of the greedy allows them to do anything to normal people - and most of the governmental policies of the UK, the US, and even Ireland are now dictated by the folks who are swallowing up all the money. What seems to be coming may be as bad as anything we've seen in history. Regarding why you didn't learn about the Irish famine in history, someone once said that the winners write the history books. Much the same story is true here, too. Young people aren't told anything valid about the past in school. At least you know the story now, though, Lav! Have a great day!
I agree with a lot of what you said but English rule didn't end after the famine? Ireland got its independence in 1949... 74 years ago and the troubles went on for years after that. There are plenty of Irish that have suffered still alive to tell the tale themselves and I've met several personally.
@@Robbikelly One could argue that full political independence (for the 26 counties) occurred with the 1937 constitution. That is why Ireland was neutral in World War II, much to the chagrin of Winston Churchill. You're thinking of the 1949 declaration that it is a republic. In reality, it was always its own country with its own culture - even if politically it was part of the UK up until the early 20's, when it became quasi-independent politically like Canada. In 1937, though, the lower 26 counties were totally politically independent. Now, the North is a different kettle of fish. I was living in the Republic (a.k.a. "the South") during the Troubles and am somewhat well-read on the histories of both (although like most people, I have forgotten much). Regarding "plenty of Irish that have suffered," there are plenty of people everywhere who have suffered. Sufferinng is quite common...and so is injustice.
@@timward3116 No personally I think it would be fair to say that, in 1937 that is when the proces started. We we're declared a freestate, not a republic. The Monarch was still legally head of the irish freestate and we were a colony. I don't like how your papering over that... I've been living in the North West my whole life and am also pretty well reasearched. Its a much older issue due to more successful plantations and focus from the English on Belfast. The North is a tougher issue. And by the way, the only reason I made the case for plenty of Irish have suffered is because you literally said word for word "Sad as the story is, it is important to remember that the people alive today were not the ones responsible back then". I'm not making the case we should change into some whining charity case but we have a proud histroy of struggling to remove ourselves from English rule and had one of the most difficult tasks of doing it compare to any English colony, if not only due to location. As I started my old reply, I agreed with a lot of what yo said but a lot of people want to act like this is acient history. Its not. And it will never be made so in my lifetime at least.
Your people back then being responsible and not people today. We still meet English fuckers that laugh and mock us because they are brought up to think we are fools and lesser but it's not racist because we are white and the same as them. "You just have a funny accent paddy".
@@Robbikelly The thing for me about this is that as long as there are english people who will deny this horrible and despicable crime of the british empire it will remain impossible for any reconciliation. Future generations of english will continue to have a whitewashed version of history taught to them and future generations of irish will continue to recognize that denial. The tories and those who support them have spent the last decade plus wrecking the healing process going back to the old nationalistically arrogant rule britannia mentality . It's very disappointing
When Irish immigrants got to the US, they were faced with discrimination. The English opinions stated in the video were also the opinions of some Americans. Not to mention that the US has always had a strong Protestantism. This included signs in businesses like "No Irish need apply." There was even violence in some places. This is also, in my opinion, why on the whole Irish Americans tend to be very proud of being Irish. I know it weirds out some Europeans, but essentially their ancestors were forced to flee their country and thus had a lot of nostalgia, anger, and pride that was passed on. This history is also similar with Italians in America.
There was an anti immigrant movement in the US known as the Know Nothing Party which wanted to stop any further immigration into the US. This sentiment and movement were anti-Irish and then became Anti Italian and anti semitic in later years. A system of immigration to America followed a pattern in which the newly arrived immigrants were persecuted and exploited in the first generation, they became holders of secure jobs, such as firemen and Policemen in the next generation and by the 3rd generation they entered the professions and politics. The current immigrants from the middle east and south asia are currently in the 1st phase and about to enter the 2nd phase of this progression.
Not just because of strong Protestantism, it was because the Americans back then were mostly English and they of course brought with them the prejudices from the mother country.
The saddest thing is that they still teach us here in school IN IRELAND that it was a famine and not a holocaust. It's still being covered up from a top level, to us, the children of the ancestors of those who survived. My surname is O' Sullivan Even in the face of starvation my ancestors refused to sell their souls for food. So I have kept the O' in my surname. Meaning Óg or young. As did many people with Mac (son of) in their surnames. Thank you so much to the Chocktaw nation. We have never forgotten your kindness.
Your reaction is understandable and genuine. Perhaps, now some English people will understand why it's hard for Irish people to support an "English" sports team. I know many English would support Ireland in sports - but history is deep and the British education decides to purposefully ignore the many atrocities it committed, not only in Ireland - but in India, China and Africa too. History should enlighten and we should keep learning from it, lest we forget it.
@@j-roc6989 To be more precise, when a person from “Northern Ireland” does well, they’re described as British. As for citizens of Ireland (formerly the Irish Free State, just to make it extra clear that they were finally free from English control), well they’re the friendly but quaint neighbours who occasionally luck out and do something that might be seen as impressive.
My cousins are from Cork and they all support English football teams so not always the case. A lot of their friends do as well. I agree with you though that Irish history is not really part of the education system in England, can't speak for the other countries (Scotland etc).
I have a bit of Irish in me including a 1848 bible from Ireland filled with hair locks and death dates ! I'm mainly Scottish but I have roots in Ireland aswell I'm glad this history is going out to people because it's too inconvenient to be taught in English schools they should know what their ancestors did!
True and I’ve met many Scot’s over the years who don’t have a decent knowledge of Irish history or the famine so imo it isn’t just the English this also extends to the welsh as well…..
Plus I’ve also had welsh and Scot’s over the years to me defend the British empire to my face! One would assume there the most critical of this along with us Irish!
Youre a yank declaring england should be ashamed of its history. Did you know 6 million people in england have at least 1 irish grand parent, not to mention great grandparents etc.. and we dont moan. HAIL ENGLAND
The Malthusian model in Britain ended up like Darwinism, a misappropriation of a scientific theory to argue for racism. If the problem is too many resources are being consumed by people, you find another alternative or supplement, or find a better utilization of said resources, you shouldn’t reduce consumption by reducing people.
Exactly. But it keeps on coming back. There are politicians and business leaders who still think the same way. Who want to control population growth. Through abortion and other means. While at the same time limiting the amount of crops a farmer can harvest. Seeing food as an commodity and not as sustenance for the masses.
It was just lies the rich tell themselves to sleep at night. Nothing more, nothing less. So intellectually dishonest it takes a mental gold medal gymnast to arrive at these facile conclusions. They just didn't want to do the work, make the sacrifice, and get people fed. It's easier to 'other' people and tell yourself a comforting story about how you're somehow more deserving as a fundamental element of the whole narrative. Simple Hegelian forensics tells us this.
I saw a question on Quora recently, “why do Brits get offended when Americans identify with their Irish roots?” After watching this I know exactly what it is. It’s the same feeling that a schoolyard bully has after years of picking on the same smaller child, and expects to continue business as usual when they both move up to secondary school, only to find that the small child has an older and much bigger brother already there waiting.
The US was the first country to successfully rebel against the British Empire. Ireland was the second. They both escaped the aristocratic establishment's gaslighting and brainwashing at an early stage. The English working classes are doing their best to catch up. It's an uphill struggle.
British people learning the truth of their past is tough, hat's off to this guy, he seems cool... The version of history British people are taught is very different to reality... Ireland was Britain's first colony and we suffered every barbarism the empire could concoct... Their occupation of the north of my country continues to this day, so it's not like the imposition of empire in Ireland is a thing of the past or anything !!
That is exactly what happened. Colonialism was trialled and 'perfected' on their nearest neighbours before taking it to as much of the planet as they could.
thank from ireland😀good man for caring for ireland and history as they say if we forget are history were doomed to repeat it 😀never feel bad about for history your not blame much respect sir😀👍
wonderful to see a young person from England putting this piece of Irish history out there for more English people to learn what really happened in Ireland. well done lav. Ireland recipient.
Haha why? our country sucked and still sucks, it is only reconciled by some of the people living in it. I am proud of the way people act, and the country of origin has bugger all to do with that.
Thank you Lav for this, it's much appreciated. One thing though Lav, food and donations did actually come from the ordinary british decent people, so they are not all bad, but their goodness and donations were probably stolen by the british landlords also
Thank you for helping bring this more into the open. My great grandmother and her family came to the US in 1891 from County Sligo. Her grandparents were among the dead, leaving my great great grandfather as an infant to be raised by his older siblings. If you can find a copy of the book Paddy's Lament by Thomas Gallagher, it is an incredible collection of accounts of this genocide.
@@Dreyno hello! My great grandmother was born near Cully and Tubbercurry in 1880! Family legend says that the remains of my family's house are still visible.
During the famine Queen Victoria commissioned the construction of Osborne House on the Isle of Wight with no expense spared it even had hot and cold running water
Actually it was the U.K. After Ireland rebelled in 1798, the act of Union was passed and Ireland became a constituent part of the U.K. Ironically, previous famines had been avoided by the Irish parliament closing the ports to food exports. Westminster did not enforce this in the 1840s. So not only was Ireland a part of the U.K. but it’s being part of the U.K. caused the famine.
When taught about the Irish Potato Famine in the central U.S. in the '70s, the focus was mostly upon the potato blight, and how some in the U.K. government did little to provide aid. It was never mentioned that there was a deliberate effort to PREVENT aid from being given.
Aid given? Why would we want aid? ... the country was full of food but we weren't allowed to eat it. They took millions of tonnes food out if the country in ships over the famine years. We didn't want aid. We wanted them to stop pillaging our country. The reason our diet was so dependant on the potatoe was that people were given the worst bits of land on a farm while they worked on it. They usually had to rent this land too. 2 things then, 1, being blight, 2, landlords raising rents and forcing the families out so they starve.
@@billabong9215 Rubbish. The main food crop on which a third of the population lived was wiped out. Ireland was not producing millions of tons of food. Do you suggest the food should have been kept in the country and given away free? How could the economy work that way? I'm sure the reasons for potato dependency are complex. The British accused the Irish of living on the potato because it was an easy crop to grow with little work.
@@jonoessex I suggest you take a half hour and read up on the history of this period (from any source). Better still look and read the factual rendition above in the post by Christy NIcholas. You have the specific traits of Trevelyan himself.
Comparing atrocities isn’t a very good look, who’s to say which is worse, can’t imagine you would find an Irishman commenting under a video about the Indian famines saying “you think that’s bad you should see…….”, but hey what would I know.
As an Irish woman, thank you for educating yourself and others about the pain our country went through. Knowing the history helps us understand where we came from, how attitudes developed from this cruelty. It decimated our population, whih only returned to pre famine in the past few years. Our connection to Choctaw tribe is still there today. Im utterly proud of the strength and bravery of our people on this island.❤
Was visiting Tralee in southern Ireland from England on holiday some years ago, and there was a museum in the city explaining all that went on, I was in tears, just couldn't believe what my country did.
We learn about it every year in school, we were all shocked with the act of kindness when we first learned about it, especially because of the hardships that had just been faced by them before the money was sent. the gratitude of your people will never be forgotten
I graduated high school in 2001. I’m an American, and they taught us this in history. On the flip side though, they don’t teach us about a lot of things America has done or any wars we lost. My husbands family was driven out of Ireland during the potato famine.
I graduated in the US in 1989. We had a whole unit in World History on the Irish Potato Famine, but in American History we generally only focused on the "good" things the US has done while just barely touching on things like The Trail of Tears and the Mỹ Lai massacre and the 1921 Tulsa Race massacre. It's kind of weird.
@newgrl6651 As an Irish person, I feel very strongly the word "famine", should be replaced by the more accurate and apt Genocide. It was knowingly done, with help from countries who had the good grace,like Turkey, refused.
@@EMMYK1916 I call it the Great Hunger. 'Famine' suggests some cause in a drought or in adverse weather conditions. One kind of microbe affecting one species doesn't qualify. All kinds of food grew in abundance in Ireland in the 1840s. The exception was the staple of the poor and the marginalised. Famine my *rse.
This is why the Irish call it the hunger and not the potato famine. There was lots of food and they were not allowed to eat it. People found dead with green mouths. They ate grass.
One recurring story that is passed down from the American Civil War is that many Irishmen fought for the Union, and often times, especially during the numerous Virginia campaigns, found themselves fighting over farms and towns that had donated their harvests to the famine that many of the soldiers themselves had endured prior to coming over. It was very common for the Irish to serve foreign militaries because it was often the best work they could find - they could either work in a factory and earn minimum wage, or serve in the army and earn better(?) wages with benefits(?). Some 150,000 Irish immigrants served the Union Army during the Civil War. Some served in the Mexican-American war (on both sides, an interesting story). They got the short end of the stick in America too, for… pretty much ever. During the Prohibition era, they were used as scapegoats by Anti-Alcohol Protestant Radicals because many Irish immigrants that came over were Catholic and drank. During America’s industrial revolution, they were worked like dogs in factories. When the Know-Nothings came into national popularity, they were shunned in favor of expanding the “Native” American Identity. They were seen by politicians, businessmen and generals alike as nothing but poor desperate street dogs who were willing to do anything for pay. And in truth, many were. In America, Irish immigrants were used and abused, and then, when the idea of National Identity began solidifying in ways that turned American identity from a blend of all cultures into the idea of “Native” Americans, they were simply tossed out the back door, treated like worthless pieces of trash, and forgotten about until the next time it was convenient for a politician or businessman to use them to gain support or make money or accomplish a task they saw as being too low for “Native” Americans to do. They sought refuge from an oppressive and abusive government under British rule only to find themselves rejected by the civilians of America, and forgotten about by the government. In some ways, being in America was still an improvement. At least here they would still get paid and have enough to eat, but they weren’t welcome the same as an American-born man would have been. They were always at the back of the shelf, forgotten until duty called them.
There is a famine village 20 mins from where I live. It was kept as it was back then. Its horrible but worth a visit. The English also banned Irish as part of their plan. When queen Victoria died the Irish were ordered to paint their doors back as a sign of mourning. They painted their houses bright colours instead. That's why today so many Irish homes are painted to this day
The story of the Irish being ordered to paint their doors black is often repeated, but I have been unable to find a source. Could you please provide the reference?
@@thostaylor it starts from Maud Gonnes newspaper article the year before Victorias death, thats when she gets the nickname the famine queen. Though obviously the English banned the artical. Prime minister Lord John Russell even begged the queen to help. The offer of aid from Ottoman Sultan, Khaleefah Abdul-Maid was also essential blocked by the Royal Palace. It was a well known situation around the world at the time. But check out Ireland's Great Hunger Institute at Quinnipiac University for some great bits of evidence
@@conallmclaughlin4545 I don't think you should have any faith in the writings of Maude Gonne. She was a Boulangist, an anti-semite, a Stalinist and an occultist. Incidentally, 'the English’ did not ban her article 'the Famine Queen', the RIC banned the newspaper the 'United Irishman', although it continued until it was sued for libel in 1906. If you are claiming the article as a source of the Irish doors story, that makes no sense as the article was written before the Queen’s death. From what I can see the Quinnipiac Museum is an art exhibition; there is nothing on-line that I can see that gives a source for the Irish doors story.
Really hits home the saying “ The British forget too easily and the Irish never forget “ that saying I’ve pretty much grew up on as an Irish person 🇮🇪☘️
You are English and seem to be a nice, honest and good guy, as a lot of English people are. The vast majority of Irish people like myself have moved on .... but maybe it is understandable that there is a sniff of anti-Englishism running through the veins of some Irish people.
Every inch of lreland suffered for it is a wound to grate for us to even talk about. Thank you for your sincere analysis of this truly awful time in both are history.
Irish man here, thanks for taking the time to do some research into what actually happened. I believe more people should. It has been made so much less, by calling it The Potatoe Famine. This implies that we just loved potatoes!! but when you see that so much resources were raped from our beautiful country. it really opens your eyes. Thanks again
About 10km from my home is a famine mass grave from 1846 called Carrig Na Staighre in Gaelic, translated "Stairs Rock". The local people were put in workhouses in Macroom Co Cork, when they were starving for food, where they would get limited food for hard labour. They were so weak and malnutritioned from the potato famine, many local people died in these workhouses including my great great cousins died. Why potato's? They were tenants on large landlord estates where they worked hard to maintain growing food for the British empire. On their little piece of rented land, they could grow their own crops to survive. Potato's were thought to be nutritious and a cheap to grow, then a bad blight destroyed this crop and caused the famine. People said why didnt eat other food fish etc, but they didn't have that option as peasants. Animal's were conisdered more important than the irish natives. Mock the Irish all you want. We never gave up. And we never will.
A couple things to mention, you said his opinion of the Irish was what it was because of it being outside the UK however it was already a member of the Union for about 40 years at this point. Also you mentioned the Irish population being quite small compared to the rest of the Isles, before the famine the Irish population was about about 8.2 million, nearly a 1/3rd of the UK's entire population. England, Wales and Scotland had a combined population of 18 million at that point.
Thank you for taking the time to learn and understand our history. This is a very clipped note version of what they did to us. It’s incredibly sad and difficult to hear but it might give you a better understanding of us. Again, thank you.
We learned about it here in America when I was in school (back in the dinosaur days. Don't know what they teach kids now.) I always thought it was interesting to learn about Ireland since my great grand parents were from there. They came here to escape the famine.
Yes we did! Proud Choctaw here! We're taught about this from birth.
As an Irishman I offer my thanks your people and to you. My great grandmother lived through tht period and survived.
May God continue his blessings, and from my family before me you're welcome.
Love and gratitude to the Choctaw Nation from Ireland.
This kind of cooperation is just, so beautiful to me
There’s a famine pot (massive iron cauldron) near my home in Donegal where people would travel to for rations from those donations! There’s a small piece about the contribution on the Choctaw people and it is really beautiful.
Yeah, it's insane to think that a Native American tribe thousands of miles away, who themselves were facing just as much oppression, stepped up in such a heartwarming way.
@@fradrake11 The Irish have maintained contact with the Chocktaw for all these years. I think there is a bond there that will never be broken. (My family is Irish. I am actually first generation Canadian and only now starting to learn more about my Irish heritage :))
We Irish have long memories 🇮🇪…….what the Choctaw did will never be forgotten it is in our hearts and minds. Yakoke !
Yakoke, to our Choctaw brothers and sisters . You stood with us when nobody cared …….. may the great mother protect your people and ours. Shilup to your people we now are one. Slán agus beanacht . 🇮🇪☘️🇮🇪
There's a beautiful sculptural piece in Cork dedicated to the Choctaw nation. Irs very beautiful.
@@fradrake11 Yes, it says that on this video, maybe watch it all!
It's gratifying to see a young person from England learning and understanding what has happened . You have been brought up well .
What a legend. May we all have this kind of thirst for learning and humility
It's great to see
Come to Ireland and see for yourself. Almost every town and village has a "Famine Graveyard". I promise you wont be eaten alive!!!
@@cooldaddy2877 you responding to me
Patronising
The Sultan of Turkey helped the Irish too during these times, much love to Choctaw tribe and everyone who helped our ancestors 💚
He was allowed give much much less than the government in Westminster would allow. So as not to embarrass the ol cow in the palace.
The Sultan of Turkey helping Ireland during the famine is a myth. It never happened.
@@davidpryle3935 I suppose your gonna say the Quakers donation was a myth too.
British govt donated £8 million directly to the irish.
Set up a works program that employed 144k irish people which in turn supported 800k irish people.
Cost price food shops for the poor.
Soup kitchens that fed millions.
Repealed tax laws making food cheaper.
Multiple brit charities also aided.
Nearly a million Irish people fled to Britain to be cared for.
Unfortunately bringing with them a Typhus epidemic which killed thousands of British people.
Britain helped Ireland during the famine more than the entire planet combined & what do the Irish do,,,,,,,, they slap us in the face & call it genocide!
And paid back during the civid crisis.
Ireland has never forgotten the generosity of the Choctaw people. During the Covid-19 pandemic Ireland sent aid to the Choctaw as recognition for their amazing act of kindness.
Yes, those memories somehow sear deep in the minds of all those that were never there
@@TheJthom9 completely missing the point, but whatever attitude to live your life with that floats your boat is up to you.
@@TheJthom9lol it’s called teaching history in school. The syllabus covers Great Britain, Ireland, Europe, the Americas, Australia, and a little of eastern Europe, as well as India, Africa and a little of China. Basically pre history to modern times. That’s primary to secondary school. Imagine that ????
@@TheJthom9 Nations and their inhabitants are products of their past.
Wonderful kind people the Choctaw are❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
You dont owe us any apology it wasnt your generation that caused this but im glad youve recognised it so thank you for that .
stolen wealth and they still occupy the north of Ireland
I know all of this. I was born in Ireland but have lived all my adult life in U.K. it is a good and fair country. I don’t dwell on the past. It’s gone. There are so many more people all over the word who need our help. Let’s think of them instead.
@@patricialewis1464 how is it the past ? They still occupy my country you pos traitor
@@patricialewis1464 It hasn't gone. The effects of colonisation still last today. We once spoke our own language but it became illegal so even though it's taught in school up until 17 or 18 now so many still struggle to speak it and language is a vehicle for culture. It was not just the famine, our land was stolen from us, our people murdered and raped and sent off as indentured servants and slaves to the Caribbean. We were even banned from practicising our religion. That is just the tip of the iceberg and this was less than 200 years ago and the effects continue to be long lasting. And what about the six counties that still belong to the UK? You have no idea. If another country did this to the UK, how would you feel? Would you be happy if someone just said move on?! I don't think so! Britain did this worldwide and yet have the audacity to call themselves great and wonder why they are not well regarded.
@@moorenicola6264 Alot of us dont think we are great at all. Im English/Irish and me grandad taught me the history. The community i grew up in is Irish. Not all of us are a part of this or had any part in it. Alot of us here hate the government and royals for many reasons including this as the main one. Just saying incase you think we are all the same here.
As an Irish woman I can tell you this is NEVER forgotten in Ireland. I wont comment further except to say that the pain of it is very deeply ingrained. I thank my ancesters today for my very existence and each year as I enjoy the new season potatoes I pray for them and give thanks and remember their incredible sacrifice. May they truly rest in peace
The amount of 'Famine Graves' around the country is incredible!
@@johnkealy2238as is the smount of babies graves
Yes may they rest in peace, and the light of heaven to them.
The places were they are has no hunger, and no pain. They rest well and rejoice seeing the people of Ireland happier and more prosperous now than most any other time in history.
And yet we don't even have a National Day of remembrance... I find that strange.
We have a song called The fields of Athenry about the famine and there's a line in it "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn so the young might see the morn. Now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay". People were shackled and put on ships to Australia for stealing food to feed their families. Absolutely heartbreaking. X
@jo-annemcgrogan9456: I’d like to add that the chorus is still and often sung at sports events where Ireland competes, and not only against England.
Lav might have heard and seen the Irish fans sing it.
@@tsmeman63You're right, it is, and it is absolutely dreadful. It would put you to sleep or make you cry. But it is not inspirational.
look the same ones behind this genocide were behind the native american
genocide and the ones behind all the wars to date and they own big pharma
its all about depopulation these elites are psychopathic evil.
Celtic sing it aswell and Liverpool changed it to anfield road
@@fitzerelli1 About 40,000 Irish people inside the Stade de France on Sat 23/09/2023 would wholeheartedly disagree with your stupid opinion.
As an Irishman I have to say, fair play to you, it definitely bugs us Irish that a lot of British people seem ignorant and apothetic to that particular era in our history, I understand that it isn't taught in schools so you taking the time to learn about this and put the information out there in an accessible way is very important, and I believe an important way for our countries to move forward peacefully, thank you
Fella lots of people in my area know of this. The irish have always had close links with us and many came over for work and a better life, not so much now because the main industries have gone. The irish have been settling in my area for 200 years that i know of.
@@neilferguson5940We Irish went everywhere in the world as we were well aware of UK aim to wipe us off the face of the earth. The British looted, pillaged, murdered, raped, planned genocides and commited every war crime known to humanity with impunity. Wherever we went we worked and in UK and US we were considered as less than human. This British description was carried around the world.Irish people were slaves in the Carribbean and this revisionist nonsense about us being indentured servants is ridiculous. There is not one 'indentured servant contract' for Irish Catholics on the planet. Maybe there's are some for planters who went to America but they would be British not Irish.
Ignorance goes both ways. Cromwell was a cruel committer of genocide in Ireland, but he also killed the King of England. This is a time when Irish Catholics formed an alliance with English Royalists (the word 'Tory' is Irish for 'bandit' and dates to this time). Cromwell was a Puritan Protestant Republican against Royalist Catholics. It is so simple and tempting to think of British-Irish history as absolute, but the moving parts on each side (particularly on the British side) tell you how many overlapping and continually moving allegiances there were. But in the end, none of us were there, and none of us suffered through this. We are taught to connect with something that is not connected to our lives now, and never was. The past was full of heartache for 90% of everyone who ever lived until about 1900
Back then we were all british.english n scots fared tough too right down to Europe.anyway potato not native of ireland but eygpt
I'm american of irish background. This is the reason why I'm American, my family immigrated here from Ireland due to the famine. The Irish who came, came with absolutely nothing at all. My great great grandfather worked everyday in the PA coal mines to feed his family of 6 kids, mother, wife and himself. Generational poverty lasted until my grandfather because the famine and the landlords took every thing. I still keep a picture of my great great grandad as a reminder of who I am and where I come from.
Your great great grandfather represents 1/16th of who you are. In fact, it may be even less considering the fact DNA is not passed down proportionately
And tell your children and let them tell their children in the future.
@jpoh4398 her children's children would care why? Her children children will likely not be of predominantly irish heritage
@@michaelmichael8314 I'm a guy 😮💨
@@uprising1468 What is a guy?
We gratefully thank the Choctaw people for their kindness and a beautiful memorial has been erected in Co. Cork in their honour. Its incredibly beautiful.
Lovely video! As a Norwegian, I can tell you that the British Government back in the 1800s did the same thing to Norway, however, nowhere near as badly as with the Irish. They blocked up the sea between Denmark and Norway, and ensured that all import of grain ended up on English vessels. Our (rather) famous dramatist and poet, Henrik Ibsen, wrote about a man called Terje Vigen, who rows in a small dinghy across the sea to Denmark to purchase grain. However, on his way back he is caught by the British and sent to serve on a prison vessel (whatever they were called back then). His wife and daughter starved back home. And on it goes. Don't get me wrong, I'm part English and love England, but the void-damned government and all its historical and present zealots can rot in a very special place in hell. Much love to Ireland and the Choctaws! (This video should be shown in every classroom on the planet.) Éirinn go Brách! Yakoke to the Choctaws!
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The English were evil and they still are !
I'm sorry but I don't like the English, never will. Is there any country that they haven't robbed from, or caused loss of life. Heartship, of course the English are not all the same, but I will never set foot in England England
Well said sir best wishes from Ireland and to the chock taw people
Er , I think you will find that the French imposed the Continental Blockade / Continental System to stop neutrals trading with the British during the Napoleonic War in which I sense poem is set . It was a problem for our usually trading partners but not for Britain as we obtained supplies from North and South America and smuggled goods from Russia through Spain,which prompted Napoleon's invasion of both those countries. Denmark although claiming neutrality was a threat as they were closely tied to the French and openly traded with that nation . After the reduction of the Danish navy at Copenhagen the Royal Navy used Heligoland as a base to control Baltic trade to France . Anyone attempting to enter Denmark in a state of war would be interned under the normal rules of war .
I hope all Norwegians are not this ill informed or poorly educated .
I'm Irish in Ireland as well.... man, we really appreciate you doing this video. This is the most important video you've done.. so thank you.
Respect to you for having the guts to learn about a subject that Britain doesn’t even want to acknowledge
Its bs
Check out what they did in India n oz too, yep all bs .. 🙄
@@MarcMacPhilib a lot of it is bs.
@@gradualdecay1040 nope, it's all facts, you are just to pathetic to accept it
@@gradualdecay1040Yeah?
I'm an Irish teacher here in Dublin and this episode is a pivotal moment in our history. It was a turning moment which mostly guaranteed our movement toward independence. We spent the next 30 years reclaiming our land, 30 years rebuilding our culture, in particular our sports, music, dance, history and mythology and to a degree our language. Finally, in the 1910s, we reclaimed partical independence through Home Rule (the precursor to devolution) and later our total independence over the next 40 years. So, some of those who were born during the Famine lived to see our state formed in the 1920s. The Famine lit the flame of Irish independence. Without the terrible suffering we went through, we would not be the people we are today, for good or for bad.
Did not exactly lit the flame of Irish independence, because there were a lot of rebellions against the english rule prior to the famine as you probably know, most notably in 1798 led by Wolfe Tone. But for sure the famine was a major turning point. After that atrocity, the days of british rule were numbered...
Well I salute you on taking the time to To learn your history and especially to watch the video that was the harder one to watch. We always need to remember that what our governments do and what we do as a people are two completely different things. Cheers from the U.S.
Well, people can also support what governments do. Not all of country, of course, but there are always folks who mess up an image of a nation.
Thank you, young man, you are a gift to your country, if only all of humanity were as human as you. From an Irishman.
Irish born bred here. Thank you Luka for watching this with an open mind and learning our History. You're the man!
It is impossible to forgive the deliberate starvation of the Irish, and the destruction of the country. It is also impossible to forgive the education system in England, trying to wipe out the history
There’s a beautiful Memorial erected to the Choctaw Nation in Ireland. We never will forget their generosity and kindness to us.
It's kind of ironic, but many in the US know of this episode in history because so many of our families came here because of it.
Yeah it was kind of shocking hearing how much Thurston didn't know about this.
I was taught about the Potato Famine in American public school. Yes, they didn't go as much into how the British government intentionally let people starve and said it was Gods will, and instead focused more on the failure of potato crops, but I definitely knew that it was in the 19th century and about the fact that the situation was that most people in Ireland were poor and under the rule of British landholders.
But, I suppose it's not that shocking when you consider that there's more people of Irish ancestry in the US than there are in Ireland.
I have an Irish ancestor who came to the US during the potato famine so I always assumed that’s why he immigrated here. My grandma told me that he actually came to US because he was a boxer, and he could make more money here. I do have some ancestors that genuinely moved to the US because of the famine though
Our direct family went to Canada first then the US. Had some extended family go to the US during the famine too so we've been here for a WHILE. Family history always started at where we ended up after we left during the famine so it's surprising Brits don't know about it.
@@BlueDebut Some of my Irish ancestors came to Canada too. They moved to Quebec, and then 2 generations later, the family moved to Minnesota
@@michaeltnk1135 yeah we went to Newfoundland then North Dakota then California and now Arizona.
I went to a English government founded school in the North of Ireland and even in my history class was told it was a famine. It wasn't until the Internet arrived and my love of history I found it was more a genocide than a famine. Also the Irish who imagined to England helped build city's like London but Liverpool and Manchester too. Some great documentaries on you tube about it. God bless fella 👍🇮🇪
Even wilipedia gets Irish history wrong..
6.4 million Irish Disappeared from Ireland and if that is not Genocide I don't what is?
@@malachytully5469 why are they living alive in UK.. USA. Canada. S. Africa.. Nz. Spain. EU..
@@malachytully5469 40 thousand prior to partation ethnically cleansed.... Because of their bloodline and non Catholic faith.. Famine took non catholics lives also but that is never mentioned. Scotland. UK and all of Europe had a famine same time. But they didn't go to conceiving child 12/14/16 in middle of it.
Indoctrinated embroidered hatred
As an Irish person, thank you for highlighting what happened during the great famine. I hope we can learn from from history for the sake of all our children.
There was nothing 'great' about it, it was genocide of the Irish people.
Don't know how I ended up here but respect bud and I'm from ireland 🇮🇪🇬🇧
I’m English but having an Irish mother I went to a catholic school. Most of the kids there had Irish parents. The famine was strangely avoided in our history lessons. Most of us knew about it through our families.
Genocide
You're only half English, you're half Irish too, be proud of it..
@@markkavanagh4457 He's got at least two Irish Grandparents - which actually fully entitles him to not only an Irish passport, therefore Irish identity and nationality; but he's allowed to identify with whichever side of his lineage he feels he wants to!!!
@@TheBarmbrackthecat imagine trying to genocide at the same time as sending food and changing taxation.
An author about the manufactured Potato famine says to this day Irish in Ireland are too afraid of the United Kingdom to mention it.
There is a beautiful statue in Cork dedicated to the Choctaw.
An Gorta Mór wasn't a famine, it was a genocide by the British elite to save their own people and not the Irish. They did the exact same to Bengal during WW2 and tried to pass that off as a famine too.
Hi thank you as an English person to address this- this was not taught in English history. And THIS is the reason for the conflict in ireland- this is why ireland became divided we the Irish fought back but we didn't get our whole country back. During those times the Irish were forbidden from speaking their language and practising their religion too.
The chocktaw people sent 7 cows, which might not seem like much but they sent more than much more than many could. It was a big deal in America and really helped solidify the villianification of andrew jackson for the trail of tears.
We were taught this. Some of my ancestors walked the Trail of Tears...and I've gotta lotta stories that I teach the children in the family. I'm watching a lotta stuff unfold these days that make me scared for the children. Chahta ohoyo sia.
Thank you for posting, for learning and for the discussion. You're keeping alive the memory of the more than 2 million people that we lost. Britain terrorised our country for the greater part of more than 800 years.
If you think this is the worst that Britain did to Ireland, you're in for a hell of an awakening.
What would you say is the worst?
@@IndieRockerHippy How about conquering the entire country, killing 1/2 the population, destroying 2/3 of the country's infrastructure, deporting more to work as slaves, conscripting others to run their navy, exiling still more to Australia so they could not fight back, banning their religion, language and culture.... I could go on but you get the point. There are entire histories available to read about this topic, I hope you enjoy reading them.
How about you watch a video on Irish slavery, that was way before the famine 😓
The reason the ships were called Coffin ships is because most of the people on the ship didn't make it.
@@IndieRockerHippy i would say using ground up bones of irish people as a fertilizer ingridient. a thing britian actually did at one point; one british fertilizer company used to even advertize that on the packiging.
Its rough learning about your country's sins. I learned of the Trail of Tears when I was your age, and it awoke in me a new path of learning, a new way to see the world.
Once you see it you can't unsee it. You should watch Pow Wow Hwy, its a comedy but shows a current lense.
If your Honest you would acknowledge that NOTHING done by Europeans was any different or worse than what Indians did to other tribes. My local Tribe were Slavers & exterminated several local smaller bands. There is nothing Noble about Indians, just immigrants from Asia.
God´s Blessings on the Choctaw Nation.
Its bs
@@gradualdecay1040 could you hurry up the Decay process
Massive respect to you for being so understanding and empathetic
Lakota and Irish here and it’s so good to see a young Brit wanting to learn and understand history! This was not a potato famine but another attempted genocide!
There's more Americans of Irish descent than there are Irish in Ireland today because of how many fled to the US (during, before and after this, but basically always to escape British oppression.)
Unfortunately the Irish who arrived in America faced the same discrimination, most of the Americans in power came from English protestant ancestors, the Irish were greeted with medical devices to prove they were sub human
Britain helped Ireland during the famine more than the entire planet combined.
@@gradualdecay1040 wrong
@@ATLmodK fact!
@@gradualdecay1040 proof? They may have allowed soup kitchens early in the famine years, but famously claimed that losing one million Irish people to starvation was just fine. Where did you find what you call fact?
And now you know of one of the reasons Ireland has issues with England. But its good to see people learning the history, learning the truth, England tries to hide its crimes from shame. But you have to learn the history you have to know, that's how we learn and how we ensure it never happens again. Respect to you for taking the time to watch.
I'm Irish, I've heard that before that the Brits weren't taught in school about all the bad things the British did, only the good things. So they don't know the histiory of Ireland.
They were taught and feared Cromwell just as much but if we keep splicing we dividing progress to state we in
Choctaw - my heart will always be with you! Lots of love from Ireland.
Believe it or not. Boris Johnson put a Trevelyan in charge of international aid. She had some interesting view on famine relief. Some things never change.
In 1845, Ottoman Sultan Abdul-Mejid I of Turkey declared his intention to send 10,000 sterling to Irish farmers during the Great Famine, but Queen Victoria requested that the Sultan send only 1,000 sterling, because she had sent only 2,000 sterling herself. The Sultan sent the 1,000 sterling but also secretly sent 3 ships full of food. The English courts tried to block the ships, but the food arrived in Drogheda harbor and was left there by Ottoman Sailors.
Reference: “The Sultan of Turkey, Abdul Medjid Khan: A Brief Memoir of His Life and Reign, with Notices of The Country, its Navy, & present Prospects” by the Rev. Henry Christmas, M.A., 1853
...and then to add to that, in 1854 just two years after the Great famine ended, Ireland helped Abdulmejid during the Crimean War by sending nurses and engineers along with 30,000 soldiers to defend Ottoman territory against invading Russians. Despite the suffering that the irish and their families had endured during the Great Famine, they were noticed to be serving enthusiastically in defense of the territory of the sultan who had helped them in their time of need.
Reference - Christine Kinealy, "Charity and the Great Hunger in Ireland: The Kindness of Strangers" (New York: Bloomsbury, 2013), 115-119. | David Murphy, “Ireland and the Crimean War 1854-6", History Ireland 11 (2003), 34-38.
Yeah I heard about this as well. Still, it's a shame most of the food sent wasn't received by the Irish but instead the British who well.... You know what they did with it.
Drogheda United football team have the star and crescent on their crest to honour what the Ottoman Empire assistance did for the Irish in the famine.
They also share the share the same colours as Turkish side Trabzonspor and became sister clubs in 2011.
@@roadrash1282 there's actually a lot more to that story behind the drogheda emblem and the star/crescent symbol in ireland dating back all the way to the 12th century, from various friendly interactions with the ottomans and even the byzantines back when they had control of cyprus, which is when King Richard I first saw the symbol and wanted to adopt it for his chancellor's coat of arms. there's a lot more to it way too much to include it all here but it's really interesting backstory if you want to look it up.
It’s hard to believe that this myth about the sultan of Turkey sending ship loads of food to Ireland during the famine is still being regurgitated. This myth has been totally debunked by the local and well respected historians of Drogheda. The star and crescent of Drogheda goes back to when Drogheda received it’s charter as a town, from the English king at the time of the crusades, about 600 years before the famine. Portsmouth in England has a similar crest. It’s got nothing to do with the Turkish sultan sending shiploads of food to Drogheda, which never happened.
Please share this far and wide, in fairness this video should be shown in every English history class in every school, people need to know this true history
As an Irish woman who studies Irish history. This is the most interesting reaction I have ever seen. You’re right it was 100% England that inflicted what we know as genocide not a famine. We need to learn from history then move on. The English people are so friendly. No English person today is responsible for any of this. The schools in England withhold the real history of its country. The film “ The wind that shakes the barley “ was only shown in 8 cinemas in England. Johnathan Ross made sure he seen it. He came out of the cinema physically emotional. He said “ he never knew his country were responsible for such horror “. Thank you for educating yourself on history. So much respect to you. Remember as horrible as it was, it’s history. Let’s all live in peace ✌️.
What do you call state sponsored mass murder of illegitimate new borns?
Total agreement, now if English students can learn about the disgusting collusion in the deaths of so many innocent Catholics
@@ATLmodK what do you call state sponsored systemic mass murder of illegitimate new borns?
It's not so much English schools as consecutive UK governments, it doesn't suit any government to talk about the sins of the British empire as they were many and varied, and often bring the awkward financial topic of reparations into the conversation.
@@MrFinbarz what about your sins, you've been keeping those hidden away?
The British never remember, the Irish never forget!
The Ottoman empire was a great friend to Ireland at our time of suffering. The Native tribes too.
They did raid and take slaves too now and again. Like during the sack of Baltimore in west cork
When they weren't raiding European coastal cities for slaves and turning children into eunuchs, sure, they were quite the philantropists.
The British Government asked the Sultan NOT to send £10,000 as promised, as it would have been embarrassing to Queen Victoria, who had sent significantly less.
I lived in a town called Drogheda which still has a star and crescent on the badge of the local football team, in recognition of the act.
I'm an Aussie and I learned about this in school. I remember that the history teacher I had, was Scottish, so his contempt of the Brits that instigated the travesty, was obvious to his students.
It would be easy to assume, that Britain was the forefront of World exploration. However, nearly all the countries they "discovered" and claimed as part of the British Empire, where, in reality, exploited and pillaged by them.
Australia was initially used only as a penal colony. India was exploited for is produce etc.
When the Brits claimed New Zealand, they drew up a treaty with the Māori people there, in which the Māoris would be given certain rights.
British sovereignty over the country was proclaimed on 21 May 1840. The Treaty of Waitangi was a broad statement of principles on which the British and Māori made a political compact to found a nation state and build a government in New Zealand.
However, the British failed/refused to keep their promises in the treaty to the Māori people.
Of course these poorly implemented Empire "land grabs", happened a long time ago. It is hoped that, that history, never repeats.
So surprised this isn’t part of your curriculum. We covered this when I was in HS here in the US, though not in great detail. That was also in the ‘90s. I can’t imagine what the cover now.
I just graduated from HS last year. We talked about the Irish potato famine and the discrimination that Irish immigrants faced. And how the Know Nothing Party grew in popularity during the time period, due to their anti-immigration ideas
I'm not surprised it's not in the curriculum. A politician saying there are two many people to support human life. Then tries to slow down birth rates.
If you're paying attention it sounds the same as current politicians.
I'm from the UK and older than Luka, we definitely studied it at our school.
Trevelyan is mentioned in our most famous sports song “the fields of athenry”. He is almost on par to Cromwell. You should check out his antics in Ireland.
Also. You should dig deeper into how rich Ireland was before the English took over.
The really horrid thing is that Trevelyan was Cornish. The Cornish people are a Celtic people, closely related to Welsh and Cumbrian people who once spoke a Brythonic language before the arrival of the Anglo-Saxons in the 5th and 6th Century. The accounts of the Irish peasants being at fault for their own demise is an evil form of gaslighting and victim blaming at its worst.
@@jgdooley2003 totally agree and the Tudors were welsh and other leaders such as Lloyd George was a Welshman i as a proud Irishman don’t totally 100% just the “english” but all uk governments whether they be welsh English or Scottish not just simply English…..
@@jonathanwhite5688 That is why we Irish refer to them as them across the water !!….inclusive
Well said.. and as our government is not 100 years old yet..we have the 5th highest GDP in the world.. all down to education resilience and hard work. And a strong culture that the English could never break.. no matter how hard they tried !
May he rot in hell ☘️🇮🇪.
During Boris Johnson's recent Brexit debacle, the low-life that is Priti Patel stood up in Parliament and said that Britain could starve the Irish, so they'd better come on side with the UK. That remark was laughed at and despised in equal measure in Ireland. However, it shows that in certain Conservative quarters the colonial attitude still exists. And it certainly was a bit 'rich' coming from her with her background. Today Ireland's population of 5 million produces enough food for 36 million. The Famine was a deliberately orchestrated genocide; we in Ireland were always well aware of that.
The famine was why my Irish ancestor and his 2 brothers immigrated first to Canada and later my grandmother’s father moved the family to the US. During these early days in the US, many businesses were run by people of English ancestry. It was common for them to post signs “Irish need not apply.” So many immigrants from a number of countries experienced prejudice and look how long it took for black Americans to achieve equality. I went to school and later a University in the US and we were taught about all the prejudices people had to overcome. This was in the late 1950’s until 1970. It was a big deal when John Kennedy was elected the first Irish Catholic President. I am grateful that my schooling taught us about the negatives and the positives about our History as a nation.
I'm from drogheda in Ireland and the Turkish were very good to us too!
Fairplay to you for doing this , makes me happy to see English people learning the history of my country, and also let it not be forgotten the hurt they caused on their own people, especially those in more northern areas, and the Scottish had more than their fair share . Respect and happy St Patrick's day .
I'm surprised you didn't learn much about this in school. I'm in my mid-twenties, so I imagine closer to your age than many others, and I learned quite a bit about this in American high school. US history curriculum focuses several units on learning what factors pushed people to emigrate to the United States from elsewhere, and this famine had a section in our textbooks. "The Almighty, indeed, sent the potato blight, but the English created the famine" is a quote I still remember from my education.
Oppressors often suppress their own negative history.
He was schooled in the UK. They did not teach the correct history.
Americans arent irish so stfu
Did you go to school here?
They're only taught the "glory" in school
I live in Arizona, and the Irish helping the Navajos here during Covid (because the Choctaw helped the Irish during the famine) was a local news story.
My own family left Ireland after the famine. Sad as the story is, it is important to remember that the people alive today were not the ones responsible back then - and it is entirely possible that even the normal British people back then weren't given an accurate story by the newspapers. It is not a matter of "they (the Brits) did that to us (the Irish)." No, dead people did that to other dead people. HOWEVER, we have to be aware that the mentality of the greedy allows them to do anything to normal people - and most of the governmental policies of the UK, the US, and even Ireland are now dictated by the folks who are swallowing up all the money. What seems to be coming may be as bad as anything we've seen in history.
Regarding why you didn't learn about the Irish famine in history, someone once said that the winners write the history books. Much the same story is true here, too. Young people aren't told anything valid about the past in school. At least you know the story now, though, Lav! Have a great day!
I agree with a lot of what you said but English rule didn't end after the famine? Ireland got its independence in 1949... 74 years ago and the troubles went on for years after that. There are plenty of Irish that have suffered still alive to tell the tale themselves and I've met several personally.
@@Robbikelly One could argue that full political independence (for the 26 counties) occurred with the 1937 constitution. That is why Ireland was neutral in World War II, much to the chagrin of Winston Churchill.
You're thinking of the 1949 declaration that it is a republic. In reality, it was always its own country with its own culture - even if politically it was part of the UK up until the early 20's, when it became quasi-independent politically like Canada. In 1937, though, the lower 26 counties were totally politically independent.
Now, the North is a different kettle of fish. I was living in the Republic (a.k.a. "the South") during the Troubles and am somewhat well-read on the histories of both (although like most people, I have forgotten much).
Regarding "plenty of Irish that have suffered," there are plenty of people everywhere who have suffered. Sufferinng is quite common...and so is injustice.
@@timward3116 No personally I think it would be fair to say that, in 1937 that is when the proces started. We we're declared a freestate, not a republic. The Monarch was still legally head of the irish freestate and we were a colony. I don't like how your papering over that...
I've been living in the North West my whole life and am also pretty well reasearched. Its a much older issue due to more successful plantations and focus from the English on Belfast. The North is a tougher issue.
And by the way, the only reason I made the case for plenty of Irish have suffered is because you literally said word for word "Sad as the story is, it is important to remember that the people alive today were not the ones responsible back then". I'm not making the case we should change into some whining charity case but we have a proud histroy of struggling to remove ourselves from English rule and had one of the most difficult tasks of doing it compare to any English colony, if not only due to location.
As I started my old reply, I agreed with a lot of what yo said but a lot of people want to act like this is acient history. Its not. And it will never be made so in my lifetime at least.
Your people back then being responsible and not people today. We still meet English fuckers that laugh and mock us because they are brought up to think we are fools and lesser but it's not racist because we are white and the same as them.
"You just have a funny accent paddy".
@@Robbikelly The thing for me about this is that as long as there are english people who will deny this horrible and despicable crime of the british empire it will remain impossible for any reconciliation. Future generations of english will continue to have a whitewashed version of history taught to them and future generations of irish will continue to recognize that denial.
The tories and those who support them have spent the last decade plus wrecking the healing process going back to the old nationalistically arrogant rule britannia mentality .
It's very disappointing
When Irish immigrants got to the US, they were faced with discrimination. The English opinions stated in the video were also the opinions of some Americans. Not to mention that the US has always had a strong Protestantism. This included signs in businesses like "No Irish need apply." There was even violence in some places. This is also, in my opinion, why on the whole Irish Americans tend to be very proud of being Irish. I know it weirds out some Europeans, but essentially their ancestors were forced to flee their country and thus had a lot of nostalgia, anger, and pride that was passed on. This history is also similar with Italians in America.
There was an anti immigrant movement in the US known as the Know Nothing Party which wanted to stop any further immigration into the US. This sentiment and movement were anti-Irish and then became Anti Italian and anti semitic in later years. A system of immigration to America followed a pattern in which the newly arrived immigrants were persecuted and exploited in the first generation, they became holders of secure jobs, such as firemen and Policemen in the next generation and by the 3rd generation they entered the professions and politics.
The current immigrants from the middle east and south asia are currently in the 1st phase and about to enter the 2nd phase of this progression.
Not just because of strong Protestantism, it was because the Americans back then were mostly English and they of course brought with them the prejudices from the mother country.
And there are now many Irish Italian families in the states too because both groups faced similar prejudice in the states for a long while.
@@kpaxian6044 I am the product of one of them. Irish on my mom's side, Sicilian on my dad's.
Out of Ireland have we come.
Great hatred, little room,
Maimed us at the start.
I carry from my mother's womb
A fanatic heart.
- W.B Yeats
Trevelyn is still a detested figure in Ireland to this day and his atrocities have been passed down via song for nearly 200 years
The saddest thing is that they still teach us here in school IN IRELAND that it was a famine and not a holocaust. It's still being covered up from a top level, to us, the children of the ancestors of those who survived. My surname is O' Sullivan
Even in the face of starvation my ancestors refused to sell their souls for food. So I have kept the O' in my surname. Meaning Óg or young. As did many people with Mac (son of) in their surnames.
Thank you so much to the Chocktaw nation. We have never forgotten your kindness.
Your reaction is understandable and genuine. Perhaps, now some English people will understand why it's hard for Irish people to support an "English" sports team. I know many English would support Ireland in sports - but history is deep and the British education decides to purposefully ignore the many atrocities it committed, not only in Ireland - but in India, China and Africa too. History should enlighten and we should keep learning from it, lest we forget it.
Unfortunately when an Irish person is doing well in a sport or movies, the British media class them as british, still.
@Stephen Murphy uh what
@@j-roc6989
To be more precise, when a person from “Northern Ireland” does well, they’re described as British. As for citizens of Ireland (formerly the Irish Free State, just to make it extra clear that they were finally free from English control), well they’re the friendly but quaint neighbours who occasionally luck out and do something that might be seen as impressive.
My cousins are from Cork and they all support English football teams so not always the case. A lot of their friends do as well.
I agree with you though that Irish history is not really part of the education system in England, can't speak for the other countries (Scotland etc).
UK don't do aphreid schools to groom whole country against own countr
I have a bit of Irish in me including a 1848 bible from Ireland filled with hair locks and death dates ! I'm mainly Scottish but I have roots in Ireland aswell I'm glad this history is going out to people because it's too inconvenient to be taught in English schools they should know what their ancestors did!
True and I’ve met many Scot’s over the years who don’t have a decent knowledge of Irish history or the famine so imo it isn’t just the English this also extends to the welsh as well…..
Plus I’ve also had welsh and Scot’s over the years to me defend the British empire to my face! One would assume there the most critical of this along with us Irish!
Check out what they did in Scotland over d centuries the famine affected Scotland too
Us Americans are sadly highly uneducated where the famine is concerned most dont even know about it at all .
Youre a yank declaring england should be ashamed of its history. Did you know 6 million people in england have at least 1 irish grand parent, not to mention great grandparents etc.. and we dont moan. HAIL ENGLAND
Nearly every country we were in we committed awful crimes. We need to teach this in schools in UK.
The Malthusian model in Britain ended up like Darwinism, a misappropriation of a scientific theory to argue for racism.
If the problem is too many resources are being consumed by people, you find another alternative or supplement, or find a better utilization of said resources, you shouldn’t reduce consumption by reducing people.
Exactly. But it keeps on coming back. There are politicians and business leaders who still think the same way. Who want to control population growth. Through abortion and other means.
While at the same time limiting the amount of crops a farmer can harvest. Seeing food as an commodity and not as sustenance for the masses.
@@briansmith48 At the moment they want more people for soldiers, that's why they're anti-abortion.
It was just lies the rich tell themselves to sleep at night. Nothing more, nothing less. So intellectually dishonest it takes a mental gold medal gymnast to arrive at these facile conclusions. They just didn't want to do the work, make the sacrifice, and get people fed. It's easier to 'other' people and tell yourself a comforting story about how you're somehow more deserving as a fundamental element of the whole narrative. Simple Hegelian forensics tells us this.
I saw a question on Quora recently, “why do Brits get offended when Americans identify with their Irish roots?” After watching this I know exactly what it is. It’s the same feeling that a schoolyard bully has after years of picking on the same smaller child, and expects to continue business as usual when they both move up to secondary school, only to find that the small child has an older and much bigger brother already there waiting.
The US was the first country to successfully rebel against the British Empire. Ireland was the second. They both escaped the aristocratic establishment's gaslighting and brainwashing at an early stage. The English working classes are doing their best to catch up. It's an uphill struggle.
British people learning the truth of their past is tough, hat's off to this guy, he seems cool... The version of history British people are taught is very different to reality... Ireland was Britain's first colony and we suffered every barbarism the empire could concoct... Their occupation of the north of my country continues to this day, so it's not like the imposition of empire in Ireland is a thing of the past or anything !!
No wonder the English were so good at subjugating people around the world. They got to practice on the Irish first.
That is exactly what happened. Colonialism was trialled and 'perfected' on their nearest neighbours before taking it to as much of the planet as they could.
@@heffo67 yup and ditto when Cromwell brought Irish to Barbados prior to Africans...literly wrote rule book using the Irish
thank from ireland😀good man for caring for ireland and history as they say if we forget are history were doomed to repeat it 😀never feel bad about for history your not blame much respect sir😀👍
Its bs.
wonderful to see a young person from England putting this piece of Irish history out there for more English people to learn what really happened in Ireland.
well done lav.
Ireland recipient.
You're a good man, Lav. You're allowed to be proud of your country.
Haha why? our country sucked and still sucks, it is only reconciled by some of the people living in it. I am proud of the way people act, and the country of origin has bugger all to do with that.
Thank you Lav for this, it's much appreciated.
One thing though Lav, food and donations did actually come from the ordinary british decent people, so they are not all bad, but their goodness and donations were probably stolen by the british landlords also
Thank you for helping bring this more into the open. My great grandmother and her family came to the US in 1891 from County Sligo. Her grandparents were among the dead, leaving my great great grandfather as an infant to be raised by his older siblings. If you can find a copy of the book Paddy's Lament by Thomas Gallagher, it is an incredible collection of accounts of this genocide.
Sligeach great county
Hello from Sligo 👋
@@Dreyno hello! My great grandmother was born near Cully and Tubbercurry in 1880! Family legend says that the remains of my family's house are still visible.
@@Dreyno I still have some family there, but most have gone on to Dublin, Canada, and the US.
@@mcnally145 Almost as good as Clare.
1.5 million Irish came to America between 1845-1855. U.S. President John F. Kennedy's family immigrated from Ireland to Boston in 1849. 🤔
Grace Kelly too!
A huge thank you to you, a young English man for acknowledging this carnage. I salute you ❤
Well he's got to start on English history now
So how exactly did the famine affect you? Irish are victims in their own mind. Glorifying murder from the IRA. Away and shake your head
Malthus what an evil man indeed !!
Thanks for covering this topic from Eire 🇮🇪
During the famine Queen Victoria commissioned the construction of Osborne House on the Isle of Wight with no expense spared it even had hot and cold running water
Actually it was the U.K. After Ireland rebelled in 1798, the act of Union was passed and Ireland became a constituent part of the U.K.
Ironically, previous famines had been avoided by the Irish parliament closing the ports to food exports. Westminster did not enforce this in the 1840s.
So not only was Ireland a part of the U.K. but it’s being part of the U.K. caused the famine.
When taught about the Irish Potato Famine in the central U.S. in the '70s, the focus was mostly upon the potato blight, and how some in the U.K. government did little to provide aid. It was never mentioned that there was a deliberate effort to PREVENT aid from being given.
There wasn't any attempt to prevent aid being given that is a lie.
Aid given? Why would we want aid? ... the country was full of food but we weren't allowed to eat it. They took millions of tonnes food out if the country in ships over the famine years. We didn't want aid. We wanted them to stop pillaging our country. The reason our diet was so dependant on the potatoe was that people were given the worst bits of land on a farm while they worked on it. They usually had to rent this land too. 2 things then, 1, being blight, 2, landlords raising rents and forcing the families out so they starve.
@@billabong9215 Rubbish. The main food crop on which a third of the population lived was wiped out. Ireland was not producing millions of tons of food. Do you suggest the food should have been kept in the country and given away free? How could the economy work that way?
I'm sure the reasons for potato dependency are complex. The British accused the Irish of living on the potato because it was an easy crop to grow with little work.
@@jonoessex I suggest you take a half hour and read up on the history of this period (from any source). Better still look and read the factual rendition above in the post by Christy NIcholas.
You have the specific traits of Trevelyan himself.
@@georgemurphy1050 I have read about the history of this period. It is a demonisation of the British rather than real history.
If you think that's bad look at what the Royals did to the Indian population including where the crown jewels came from
Comparing atrocities isn’t a very good look, who’s to say which is worse, can’t imagine you would find an Irishman commenting under a video about the Indian famines saying “you think that’s bad you should see…….”, but hey what would I know.
As an Irish woman, thank you for educating yourself and others about the pain our country went through. Knowing the history helps us understand where we came from, how attitudes developed from this cruelty. It decimated our population, whih only returned to pre famine in the past few years. Our connection to Choctaw tribe is still there today. Im utterly proud of the strength and bravery of our people on this island.❤
Was visiting Tralee in southern Ireland from England on holiday some years ago, and there was a museum in the city explaining all that went on, I was in tears, just couldn't believe what my country did.
But it happened in every country in your Empire. You cannot have an empire without murder, rape, stealing and cultural destruction.
Southern Ireland? Do yourself a favour, NEVER called it Southern Ireland. It’s the REPUBLIC. Ireland isn’t Korea
Its not Southern Ireland and its not the Republic of Ireland....its Ireland.@@xragdoll5662
We learn about it every year in school, we were all shocked with the act of kindness when we first learned about it, especially because of the hardships that had just been faced by them before the money was sent. the gratitude of your people will never be forgotten
You're a good guy lav, appreciate your reaction to this. Pausing to point out what an evil rat that one dude was is a nice touch
I graduated high school in 2001. I’m an American, and they taught us this in history. On the flip side though, they don’t teach us about a lot of things America has done or any wars we lost. My husbands family was driven out of Ireland during the potato famine.
We are taught about things like the Trail of Tears.
I graduated in the US in 1989. We had a whole unit in World History on the Irish Potato Famine, but in American History we generally only focused on the "good" things the US has done while just barely touching on things like The Trail of Tears and the Mỹ Lai massacre and the 1921 Tulsa Race massacre. It's kind of weird.
@newgrl6651 As an Irish person, I feel very strongly the word "famine", should be replaced by the more accurate and apt Genocide. It was knowingly done, with help from countries who had the good grace,like Turkey, refused.
@@EMMYK1916 If we wanted to genocide you at any point youd be gone. We wouldnt let millions of you immigrate to britain lmao
@@EMMYK1916 I call it the Great Hunger. 'Famine' suggests some cause in a drought or in adverse weather conditions. One kind of microbe affecting one species doesn't qualify. All kinds of food grew in abundance in Ireland in the 1840s. The exception was the staple of the poor and the marginalised. Famine my *rse.
This is why the Irish call it the hunger and not the potato famine. There was lots of food and they were not allowed to eat it. People found dead with green mouths. They ate grass.
One recurring story that is passed down from the American Civil War is that many Irishmen fought for the Union, and often times, especially during the numerous Virginia campaigns, found themselves fighting over farms and towns that had donated their harvests to the famine that many of the soldiers themselves had endured prior to coming over.
It was very common for the Irish to serve foreign militaries because it was often the best work they could find - they could either work in a factory and earn minimum wage, or serve in the army and earn better(?) wages with benefits(?). Some 150,000 Irish immigrants served the Union Army during the Civil War. Some served in the Mexican-American war (on both sides, an interesting story).
They got the short end of the stick in America too, for… pretty much ever. During the Prohibition era, they were used as scapegoats by Anti-Alcohol Protestant Radicals because many Irish immigrants that came over were Catholic and drank. During America’s industrial revolution, they were worked like dogs in factories. When the Know-Nothings came into national popularity, they were shunned in favor of expanding the “Native” American Identity. They were seen by politicians, businessmen and generals alike as nothing but poor desperate street dogs who were willing to do anything for pay. And in truth, many were. In America, Irish immigrants were used and abused, and then, when the idea of National Identity began solidifying in ways that turned American identity from a blend of all cultures into the idea of “Native” Americans, they were simply tossed out the back door, treated like worthless pieces of trash, and forgotten about until the next time it was convenient for a politician or businessman to use them to gain support or make money or accomplish a task they saw as being too low for “Native” Americans to do. They sought refuge from an oppressive and abusive government under British rule only to find themselves rejected by the civilians of America, and forgotten about by the government. In some ways, being in America was still an improvement. At least here they would still get paid and have enough to eat, but they weren’t welcome the same as an American-born man would have been. They were always at the back of the shelf, forgotten until duty called them.
Thanks for putting this out there bro.
There is a famine village 20 mins from where I live. It was kept as it was back then. Its horrible but worth a visit. The English also banned Irish as part of their plan.
When queen Victoria died the Irish were ordered to paint their doors back as a sign of mourning. They painted their houses bright colours instead. That's why today so many Irish homes are painted to this day
The story of the Irish being ordered to paint their doors black is often repeated, but I have been unable to find a source. Could you please provide the reference?
@@thostaylor it starts from Maud Gonnes newspaper article the year before Victorias death, thats when she gets the nickname the famine queen. Though obviously the English banned the artical. Prime minister Lord John Russell even begged the queen to help. The offer of aid from Ottoman Sultan, Khaleefah Abdul-Maid was also essential blocked by the Royal Palace. It was a well known situation around the world at the time. But check out Ireland's Great Hunger Institute at Quinnipiac University for some great bits of evidence
@@conallmclaughlin4545 I don't think you should have any faith in the writings of Maude Gonne. She was a Boulangist, an anti-semite, a Stalinist and an occultist. Incidentally, 'the English’ did not ban her article 'the Famine Queen', the RIC banned the newspaper the 'United Irishman', although it continued until it was sued for libel in 1906. If you are claiming the article as a source of the Irish doors story, that makes no sense as the article was written before the Queen’s death. From what I can see the Quinnipiac Museum is an art exhibition; there is nothing on-line that I can see that gives a source for the Irish doors story.
@@conallmclaughlin4545 she was a middle class republican who ran her own political papers. So must be true
Brilliant video Lav don't feel bad mate it wasn't the ordinary English people who done this. Thanks for making the effort to read about it.
Really hits home the saying “ The British forget too easily and the Irish never forget “ that saying I’ve pretty much grew up on as an Irish person 🇮🇪☘️
You are English and seem to be a nice, honest and good guy, as a lot of English people are. The vast majority of Irish people like myself have moved on .... but maybe it is understandable that there is a sniff of anti-Englishism running through the veins of some Irish people.
Every inch of lreland suffered for it is a wound to grate for us to even talk about. Thank you for your sincere analysis of this truly awful time in both are history.
There is a saying that sums up Anglo-Irish relations. "The Irish will never forget and the English will never remember".
Irish man here, thanks for taking the time to do some research into what actually happened. I believe more people should. It has been made so much less, by calling it The Potatoe Famine. This implies that we just loved potatoes!! but when you see that so much resources were raped from our beautiful country. it really opens your eyes. Thanks again
About 10km from my home is a famine mass grave from 1846 called Carrig Na Staighre in Gaelic, translated "Stairs Rock". The local people were put in workhouses in Macroom Co Cork, when they were starving for food, where they would get limited food for hard labour. They were so weak and malnutritioned from the potato famine, many local people died in these workhouses including my great great cousins died.
Why potato's?
They were tenants on large landlord estates where they worked hard to maintain growing food for the British empire.
On their little piece of rented land, they could grow their own crops to survive. Potato's were thought to be nutritious and a cheap to grow, then a bad blight destroyed this crop and caused the famine.
People said why didnt eat other food fish etc, but they didn't have that option as peasants. Animal's were conisdered more important than the irish natives.
Mock the Irish all you want. We never gave up. And we never will.
A couple things to mention, you said his opinion of the Irish was what it was because of it being outside the UK however it was already a member of the Union for about 40 years at this point. Also you mentioned the Irish population being quite small compared to the rest of the Isles, before the famine the Irish population was about about 8.2 million, nearly a 1/3rd of the UK's entire population. England, Wales and Scotland had a combined population of 18 million at that point.
I love your empathic reaction. You are real.
Thank you for taking the time to learn and understand our history. This is a very clipped note version of what they did to us. It’s incredibly sad and difficult to hear but it might give you a better understanding of us. Again, thank you.
As an Irishman, it's nice to finally see someone from the UK educating themselves on what England did to my country.
Fair play to you man. Irish myself and thanks for covering this. Always liked the English people. The government not so much
As an irishman it means a lot to see a brit realise why we have such negative feelings towards their country.
We learned about it here in America when I was in school (back in the dinosaur days. Don't know what they teach kids now.) I always thought it was interesting to learn about Ireland since my great grand parents were from there. They came here to escape the famine.
They don't teach anything anymore not even cursive writing!
The genocide you mean.