One of the ways that Japan manages to push out so many intelligent kids is the method school identity. Each school has it's own unique uniform, the kids participate in cleaning and have their own class representatives based on homeroom, they have school festivals in regards to sports and Japanese culture. A sports mascot and colors on a varsity jacket aren't enough. It's more than just having fun with your friends. It's about doing well for the school because you have the capability to contribute. I dunno, maybe I should lay off the anime. But my point still stands: kids need a reason to do well that transcends their personal needs and desires, and sets them up to contribute to society once they graduate.
One huge topic that was not covered and is far more critical than anything else mentioned is the achievement gap. Children are starting kindergarten at incredibly varied levels. Some come knowing their ABC's, some can write their names, some have been to countless museums and the list goes on. The truth of the matter is that students from poverty are starting school with hundreds of thousands less words spoken to them, hundreds of books not read to them and a series of other issues can hinder education. It is not all on the schools and the teachers. When you have students who are the equivalent of a grade level behind other students from the start it should tell you that something needs to be done prior to coming to school.
i think we need to model Finland's education which is one of the best systems in the world. honestly the teachers are more highly regarded and it kills competition because school isnt about who is smartest or which school is best or all about taking exams its about finding what your passionate about and pursuing it
Vouchers and charter schools? This explains the whole problem. On the one side, we have the status quo, with all its problems. On the other side, we have the people that want to privatize it. Privatization only works for the investor class.
This education discussion got me thinking. Why do public schools have athletics programs? Why do our education tax dollars go towards activities that actively discourage classroom learning, critical thinking, and studying after school? Why do we pay so much (fields, insurance, equipment, transportation) for something that doesn't make the next generation more competitive with the rest of the world? I'm not against sports, I actually think that it's a great way to learn to be sociable and healthy, but why can't we leave that for private/ independent sports teams (or, you know, informal pickup games)? I think more importantly, school sports instills a mentality in children that hard work in class can take second place to success at sports, and it contributes to the lackadaisical attitude many children have towards their education.
An interesting video from the conservative perspective. I'd like to see a conservative opinion on the education system's seeming inability to teach critical thinking skills, instead favoring rote memorization, regurgitation and meaningless busywork. Changing the funding structure to allow low-income students more opportunities is a fine idea, but does nothing to address the fact that what they're "learning" is how to be an obedient worker drone, NOT how to be an intelligent, responsible citizen.
Hi, I have a high school diploma and a BS and I can't get employment. Just having an education isn't a guarantee. What is in demand now might not be what is in demand after you graduate. I graduated into "the great recession" couldn't find a job, defaulted on my loan, and am now unemployable because on paper I look like a lazy bum because I haven't payed my loans, have a bad credit score, and haven't had a job in over 5 years and graduated 3 years ago. But don't worry my nonexistent kids (I can afford one of those) will have a better future even if you end up living in a ditch eating garbage! I just had to get that out.
Yes. That's why you get a degree in a growing field. Not art history or an easy major like psychology (unless you intend to go further and get a PsyD or PhD). The facts are lined up. Degree holders are much more likely to be employed and make more money. There are always exceptions, though.
The free market approach may work to some degree in metropolitan areas but people in rural areas couldn't support true competition. Plus this system would always favor the financially endowed.
Here’s the real three step program for fixing education in America. Step 1: Stop paying teachers at near poverty levels. Teachers should make about what, say for example, a pharmacist would make in a given area. This will suck for a few years because some very bad teachers will be getting paid well. We’ll get to that in a minute. Step 2: Now that teaching is rewarding financially, in addition to the tacit rewards of helping people learn, smart and motivated college kids who are looking for a career they will enjoy and one that will not just pay the bills but also leave some left over for savings and fun can consider education as a viable (read lucrative) career path. This step is often criticized with things like “They’ve tried that before, studies have shown that throwing money at schools doesn’t work.” I agree. Just throwing money on to a raging fire isn’t going to put it out. It’s going to make it worse. If, however you used that money to train and equip some firefighters, you’ll have better results. The money referred to here goes into things like new facilities (pools, football fields, and a number of other non-essentials), new high-tech classrooms (for people that are borderline computer illiterate), and various sundry items. Never has the money gone to attract better teachers. Step 3: Get rid of the teacher’s unions. As the new, intelligent, and motivated teachers begin to filter into the classrooms, those older, lazier, and otherwise entirely useless bodies will need to be removed. That can’t be done with teacher’s unions protecting the unperformed jobs of those people. One other criticism I receive from this is: “Where is all that extra money going to come from?” Where does it come from now? Aren’t you sick of people paying lip service to a cause and never doing anything real to actually fix it. “Blah blah blah... fix education... blah blah blah”, then nothing ever gets done. There’s plenty of government waste that could go to fixing our education system. Or we could stop pretending like we care about education and just let kids be dumb.
***** Agreed, its not the teachers, its the parents, or no in most cases, parent (singular). It is near impossible to raise a child, let alone two or more by a single parent. You have areas where 80 percent of the kids are raised by single parents who receive benefits and of course the schools are bad. Fixing the schools without fixing the societal problems underneath is like trying to cook a masterpiece meal with spoiled ingredients. There is nothing the cook can do to make the meal work, parents need to spend more time with their kids, not allow rap culture to overly infect their kids minds, make school and good grades (not football) cool, and for the love of God get married to a good spouse before having children. This is why nothing works despite the decades of education reform. It's not the reformers or bureaucrats, as much as I'd like to blame them, its society and parents who don't hold their children or their schools accountable. And there are a lot of good single parents out there but they don't have time to go fight the school system or spend hours a day going over homework. Thus the importance of marriage and being able to combine resources, despite what the feminists say about the disposability of men.
+joenuevo Gosh, I missed out on a great discussion a year ago. What you have is a serious solution. I don't think it's totally on point, but there are good ideas - if a school is to be a miserable place where kids slave away at something they don't care about for twelve years of their life, I can think of no better place than those 60s-70s style brick buildings with terrible climate control and prison walls. If a school is going to be a community center that kids frequent for all types of activities year-round, where they can explore and use resources, develop ideas, do individual and group projects, be inspired to master the intellectual disciplines that will improve them as people, improve their lives and futures, improve their community and the world, then it's time to put money into that, build the facilities, and invest in the future generation. We should take responsibility for our debt, but if we are going to blow dollars, let's do it on giving the kids a fighting chance to pay off whatever we didn't. But government needs to get out. Our government was deliberately designed to be inefficient so that it could not easily interfere with our lives our stomp our rights. Government brings politics. We need experts and locals to make decisions about education.
Rereading what I wrote a year ago, I still stand by it. Sometime between then and now I spoke with a teacher who I greatly respect and he disagreed with me on the point about unions. That being said, I wasn't terribly convinced by his argument and probably gave him more ground than I should have due entirely out of respect. Good teachers are still under-paid; bad teachers are still over-employed; and money is mechanically reduced to fecal matter.
joenuevo Absolutely - teachers play an essential role in society - possibly moreso than doctors. Pay should reflect that. Unions have their place - in business. Education is a universal interest.
Sometimes I think that teachers are paid so little as to attract more devoted people rather than those that want a larger sum of money and don't necessarily care about the education they're supposed to be giving... I still agree with you on many of these points though...
YES TO EDUCATION REFORM! But just reforming the financial system and eliminating things like core testing will not be the whole solution. Some core skills are very important. Here's a few things that need to be integrated into all school systems: Educate children so they can be productive members of society; common sense has left this country. Teach birth control, self control, self defense, how to earn self respect, how to EARN trophies and rewards, how to respect those who are making the world better (teachers for example). Core values: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, Personal Courage; Teach WHY we need to know math, science, history, reading/writing. Teach children early and often what skills are needed to get a job and keep a job. Money management, family management and parenting skills, community participation. Teach how to manage emotions in healthy ways.
The school system in Sweden was opened up for entrepreneurs and it's been a disaster ever since. The private schools have an economic incentive to pay as little as possible for the education and to teach the children just about the minimum requirements to pass the standardized tests.
Again, the goal is push competition. Private schools are out to make money and they need to compete for consumers. I cannot speak authoritatively on Sweden's system as I am not Swedish, but having several schools and allowing people to CHOOSE means that schools need to actually try and be better or else they lose their income base
Tophurion If your assumptions were correct the best selling fast food restaurant would also be healthiest and the best selling car would be the cleanest. But that's not how a market economy works... Schools "bribe" kids using all sorts of gifts or benefits and they make the classes easy and fun but kids really don't learn as well as they used to. That's a fact. (Compare privatized schools with McDonals)
***** Children in American private schools are probably much more motivated to get good grades and they probably also have much less difficult living environment compared to average middle class who only can enter communal schools.
Your comparison is not equivalent because the benefits of a fast food competition is cheaper prices and more food. Quality plays a role, but price is key. You don't pay for school (beyond taxes). The factor that people weigh in choosing a school is the quality of the school whereas price is the factor weighed in fast food. The best-selling car is the most effective for people. These things are not comparable because the purpose of each of those items are clearly different. You could argue price with colleges where that IS a factor, but not with public schools or charter schools.
Tophurion Consider how large portion of the money the school receives is used for the education - that's the "price". Difficult for a parent/student to know and as I already stated other things as "free" laptops outweigh boring stats. In Sweden there's a discussion on regulating how much profit the schools are allowed to make to ensure the money is actually used for educational purposes.
Quite honestly, I agree with the first option alone. I love voucher programs and concepts, but I am dubious of a free market approach to education. I don't want to unduly disparage the free market system, the most efficient in terms of classical resources for money. Education, however, is not a classical good, and thus requires a non-free market approach. I do think the solution is to de-emphasize standardized testing, but I also think that the solution is a reverse privatization metric and a tolerance for non-standard approaches to education. Sure, that means that creationism gets taught in some schools, but it also means that these ideas start to have to stand on their merits and the most effective approach to education will become apparent quickly. Combined with a free college program, such as Scotland, and we would unleash the greatest educated in the history of mankind.
The solution isn't charter schools. They don't do any better to put the financial pressure on parents instead and cost taxpayers more... solution is turning schools into learning centers and the curriculum online so every course can be available everywhere... at least in my mind... public schools with actual options.
Good talk. But you mention that the problem is testing and narrow curriculum but in your solution you provide the same - a marketplace based on inspection and scores and metrics.
I disagree with creativity part. Sure today's school environment isn't really trying to promote it, but does it really diminishes it in any way? With proper work ethics that parents should give to their kids, I really don't see a problem. I know many creative people. Playing instruments, drawing, others having creative solutions to the problems, or interesting views and perspective, etc. The biggest problem in my opinion is the fact that having a diploma can actually increase the chance of climbing the top 4 times. Why? Why is it that college became an extension of mandatory education? It should be for passionate people who want to study, not go there because otherwise they don't get a job. Hence I would say that I agree with change number 2. It might change the idea that college is the only way to get a job. Idea number 1 is also pretty nice, but idea number 3? Not so much. I mean in general it's good, but there are already for years debates about education in scientific journals. Why teacher don't read them and then implement, I don't know. It's like a doctor not following the news in medical journals, for lawyers not keeping up with law changes etc. Maybe instead of pushing money for re educating teachers, we could incentivise their approach, creating a more competitive market so that teachers who actually want to change something, could do it and teachers who just complacently follow the curriculum, or even worse, eagerly so, would disappear.
This is a radical concept for most people to except. The points and ideas shared on this video are general and are design to engage thought and to encourage the viewer to check out the speakers book. In short the author is thinking out side of the box and that will take a lot of people to an uncomfortable area of misunderstanding. However If you are one of the gifted few that have the mental capacity to grasp the concepts being shared, you might see the potential for the powerful ideas to revolutionize the educational system that we except today
The current system relies too heavily on standardized test taking. Alas, there are few alternatives. Public school systems will continue to have trouble as long as this standard is kept. I was traditionally homeschooled for 11 years. I received personalized education through my parents, tutors and others who never went to school for education. Not much can beat individualized education. Perhaps another issue with the public school system is parental involvement. I guess I was blessed with parents who cared a lot about my education.
Another little flaw that happens when money comes into edducation is that the lowering of costs could eventually have those very low costing and low qualities schools that that are only after the money. Their very attractive prices could make Jenifer's familly choose this kind school, bigger schools would then grow more expensive spreadding the gap between education for poor and rich people. But, who knows, quality inspectors might help turn this around.
Taking a look at this comment section shows part of the problem... its extremely hard to see how bad the system is unless your in it. Im currently in high school and honest to god anyone that i have talked to at my school agrees almost every part of the education system is screwed up. eliminating narrower curriculum and standardized testing would not solve it completely but its 100% a start and would help. I cant read small print due to a condition with my eyes, and the response of the school system is not helping at all.Everyday i go through an uphill battle against all of these bureaucratic laws and regulations and systems that are seemingly bullshit. They have things in place not to help, but to make it look like their helping and have excuses, and none of the help they have tried has worked at all. This is a big problem, the generalizing of students. I understand that there is no easy way of solving this problem because it is the least expensive and least effort, but in shaping our future, we need to invest a LOT more resources to make the system bringing them up a TON better. So yes, there is a huge problem, and yes some of what he is saying i believe would help at least a bit, which is a start
Sam Rodrigue I'm surprised there are people like that in your high school, most people in mine are showing the result in poor education; they complain about the consequences of their actions, refuse to take responsibility for themselves, or focus on minor things rather than on the big picture (like applying for sports rather than doing something about the government they love to mock and complain about), like that the education system isn't working (or working "well" ) amongst other issues... But that's just me, how are you?
Entrepreneurship should be a class you can take in hs. There's business degrees in college, but I question how good the actual "business" knowledge is you get from that. My suspicion is that's mostly just an economics class. But there should be courses you can take for how to start a business. There's a lot that doesn't even require a ton of trade knowledge that pays good money. You just can't start them without the knowledge of how to start it (and maybe the few grand needed to start it). Landscaping is a big one, window washing, I just saw guy cleaning windows on tiktok. It's not glamorous stuff, but it can absolutely pay the bills quite well if you can get it up and running.
I highly recommend listening from this teacher's (GrapplingIgnorance) perspective: So You Want to be a Teacher --The Contradiction It's a great insight to what teachers deal with.
I never passed the 9th grade and I own 2 business and travel a lot if you want to stay in debt all the time then go to school , heres the thing u need school if ur going to be a teacher doctor a layer, but if want to learn about business , or creative arts like music web design you do not need that, and if anyone like to know how to invest and put their money to work for them contact me,
@JohnathanRodriguez Yeah I couldn't pay attention to the message he was trying to convey because it looked like he was trying to film a rap video. Upon listening and not viewing, I like his ideas.
I think that all of the fancy graphics and movement that's happening on screen with nothing to do with thee topic is distracting. Great video otherwise.
Sweden have a system that where their is a extremly vibrant School system if you live in a city. The Diverse and creative school system have no helped school results in Sweden and im willing to bet it`s best system in the world to foster a diverse number of schools.
Children aren't very good at making decisions for themselves. Do you mean let the parents make decisions? Not all parents are good at making decisions either.
Yeah, education is important! We should take it deeply seriously. (Yeah, in some ways "they who control the money control the content.") In my thinking, a fundamental for education reform is to get the philosophy of education right and focus on rational, logical thought. All else is secondary. A number of things are important, and everything is interrelated, but fundamentals need to come first. Here are some of my thoughts in that regard: The importance of making connections, aka multidisciplinary thinking, in teaching and education (27 min video): ua-cam.com/video/UcnXF1pVuCM/v-deo.html Teachers should be trained in logic (13 min video): ua-cam.com/video/7XH5ZsGbDkA/v-deo.html What logic is (1 hour 40 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/fH7xw34aTPQ/v-deo.html What logic is (8 min video): ua-cam.com/video/E61dvHjPiAs/v-deo.html What education is, a discussion with a philosopher (1 hour 20 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/akfKR2mc5ww/v-deo.html What education is, a discussion with a teacher (1 hour 20 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/8Cj_VLRfSUA/v-deo.html We are self-sovereign social, rational animals. And getting that rational and self-sovereign part is hard work -- and is important for serving as a "governor" (in the sense of machines, not politics) on the social and for keeping things tied to truth. ”Education must also train one for quick, resolute and effective thinking. To think incisively and to think for one’s self is very difficult. We are prone to let our mental life become invaded by legions of half truths, prejudices, and propaganda. At this point, I often wonder whether or not education is fulfilling its purpose. A great majority of the so-called educated people do not think logically and scientifically. Even the press, the classroom, the platform, and the pulpit in many instances do not give us objective and unbiased truths. To save man from the morass of propaganda, in my opinion, is one of the chief aims of education. Education must enable one to sift and weigh evidence, to discern the true from the false, the real from the unreal, and the facts from the fiction.” --Martin Luther King, Jr. (From MLK’s 1947 article “The Purpose of Education,” published in the Morehouse College campus newspaper The Maroon Tiger. See: kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/purpose-education)
"standardized tests are bad, but we need a system of inspectors to measure the quality of schools" "we need a buzzword, to buzzword the buzzwords, so that students can buzzword more efficiently!" not saying the ideas here are inherently bad, but this presentation makes me want to punch someone.
Interesting concepts to run a school like a business- but a you can't run a business if you don't have funds,or staff to run it properly. In an ideal world- every school would be funded as they need to be. The problem is- how are the schools going to be funded? Charter schools aren't the answer. Students in low-income families will not be able to fund for their children's education, and the "haves" will have a superior education because their family has money- and thus with a superior education leads to higher opportunities.
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Tyroniix Just look at what happened when the US decided to run its healthcare system like a business. Y'all pay more than anyone else for some of the worst care in the developed world. The free market doesn't regulate in favor of the consumers - allowing it to take over things like education, justice, and healthcare has failed each time it has been tried.
Maybe the guy has had both legs broken and had to relearn to walk. In any case, he needs to learn again. You can see him lose it every now and then. "oops I'm walking like a geek again, start bouncing." Mute the video and play either a country or rap song. LOL!
Some interesting stuff. IMO our schools do as well as any nation's schools at education (see here:super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/12/amazing-truth-about-pisa-scores-usa.html) but they spend money very inefficiently. If we make education cheaper, easier and more enjoyable children will go longer but we deteriorate the value of diplomas. Now our schools do not cover daycare hours very well and we could use money savings from cutting admin to cover more hours. Schools should provide daycare from 7:00am to 6:00 pm with the early and late hours optional and they should be able to do it for less money than is spent now IMHO this could easily be done. Of course most of what is taught in schools worldwide is not useful to the students (see here: econlog.econlib.org/authorbcaplan.html#recent) and great improvements could be made in that area. We do not know how to teach students more but we might be able to teach more useful skills and knowledge.
The free market approach may work to some degree in metropolitan areas but people in rural areas couldn't support true competition. Plus this system would always favor the financially endowed.
One of the ways that Japan manages to push out so many intelligent kids is the method school identity.
Each school has it's own unique uniform, the kids participate in cleaning and have their own class representatives based on homeroom, they have school festivals in regards to sports and Japanese culture.
A sports mascot and colors on a varsity jacket aren't enough. It's more than just having fun with your friends. It's about doing well for the school because you have the capability to contribute.
I dunno, maybe I should lay off the anime. But my point still stands: kids need a reason to do well that transcends their personal needs and desires, and sets them up to contribute to society once they graduate.
One huge topic that was not covered and is far more critical than anything else mentioned is the achievement gap. Children are starting kindergarten at incredibly varied levels. Some come knowing their ABC's, some can write their names, some have been to countless museums and the list goes on. The truth of the matter is that students from poverty are starting school with hundreds of thousands less words spoken to them, hundreds of books not read to them and a series of other issues can hinder education. It is not all on the schools and the teachers. When you have students who are the equivalent of a grade level behind other students from the start it should tell you that something needs to be done prior to coming to school.
i think we need to model Finland's education which is one of the best systems in the world. honestly the teachers are more highly regarded and it kills competition because school isnt about who is smartest or which school is best or all about taking exams its about finding what your passionate about and pursuing it
Vouchers and charter schools? This explains the whole problem. On the one side, we have the status quo, with all its problems. On the other side, we have the people that want to privatize it. Privatization only works for the investor class.
He says in the middle "vouchers and charter schools are better. " with no back up. He just says that they're better.
Ideology trumping empiricism. Charter schools do worse on average than regular public schools, even in poverty stricken inner cities.
This education discussion got me thinking. Why do public schools have athletics programs? Why do our education tax dollars go towards activities that actively discourage classroom learning, critical thinking, and studying after school? Why do we pay so much (fields, insurance, equipment, transportation) for something that doesn't make the next generation more competitive with the rest of the world? I'm not against sports, I actually think that it's a great way to learn to be sociable and healthy, but why can't we leave that for private/ independent sports teams (or, you know, informal pickup games)?
I think more importantly, school sports instills a mentality in children that hard work in class can take second place to success at sports, and it contributes to the lackadaisical attitude many children have towards their education.
An interesting video from the conservative perspective. I'd like to see a conservative opinion on the education system's seeming inability to teach critical thinking skills, instead favoring rote memorization, regurgitation and meaningless busywork. Changing the funding structure to allow low-income students more opportunities is a fine idea, but does nothing to address the fact that what they're "learning" is how to be an obedient worker drone, NOT how to be an intelligent, responsible citizen.
Hi, I have a high school diploma and a BS and I can't get employment. Just having an education isn't a guarantee. What is in demand now might not be what is in demand after you graduate. I graduated into "the great recession" couldn't find a job, defaulted on my loan, and am now unemployable because on paper I look like a lazy bum because I haven't payed my loans, have a bad credit score, and haven't had a job in over 5 years and graduated 3 years ago.
But don't worry my nonexistent kids (I can afford one of those) will have a better future even if you end up living in a ditch eating garbage!
I just had to get that out.
Just curious, what did you study?
Yes. That's why you get a degree in a growing field. Not art history or an easy major like psychology (unless you intend to go further and get a PsyD or PhD). The facts are lined up. Degree holders are much more likely to be employed and make more money. There are always exceptions, though.
Kevin J. Dildonik So if all the unemployed took a job unemployment would still be high? wtf
Meaning, get a decent degree in a field with jobs. It is not the system's fault you picked a useless degree.
Jeffery Liggett You took a risk and it didn't pay off.
The free market approach may work to some degree in metropolitan areas but people in rural areas couldn't support true competition. Plus this system would always favor the financially endowed.
Here’s the real three step program for fixing education in America.
Step 1: Stop paying teachers at near poverty levels. Teachers should make about what, say for example, a pharmacist would make in a given area.
This will suck for a few years because some very bad teachers will be getting paid well. We’ll get to that in a minute.
Step 2: Now that teaching is rewarding financially, in addition to the tacit rewards of helping people learn, smart and motivated college kids who are looking for a career they will enjoy and one that will not just pay the bills but also leave some left over for savings and fun can consider education as a viable (read lucrative) career path.
This step is often criticized with things like “They’ve tried that before, studies have shown that throwing money at schools doesn’t work.” I agree. Just throwing money on to a raging fire isn’t going to put it out. It’s going to make it worse. If, however you used that money to train and equip some firefighters, you’ll have better results.
The money referred to here goes into things like new facilities (pools, football fields, and a number of other non-essentials), new high-tech classrooms (for people that are borderline computer illiterate), and various sundry items. Never has the money gone to attract better teachers.
Step 3: Get rid of the teacher’s unions. As the new, intelligent, and motivated teachers begin to filter into the classrooms, those older, lazier, and otherwise entirely useless bodies will need to be removed. That can’t be done with teacher’s unions protecting the unperformed jobs of those people.
One other criticism I receive from this is: “Where is all that extra money going to come from?”
Where does it come from now? Aren’t you sick of people paying lip service to a cause and never doing anything real to actually fix it. “Blah blah blah... fix education... blah blah blah”, then nothing ever gets done. There’s plenty of government waste that could go to fixing our education system.
Or we could stop pretending like we care about education and just let kids be dumb.
***** Agreed, its not the teachers, its the parents, or no in most cases, parent (singular). It is near impossible to raise a child, let alone two or more by a single parent. You have areas where 80 percent of the kids are raised by single parents who receive benefits and of course the schools are bad. Fixing the schools without fixing the societal problems underneath is like trying to cook a masterpiece meal with spoiled ingredients. There is nothing the cook can do to make the meal work, parents need to spend more time with their kids, not allow rap culture to overly infect their kids minds, make school and good grades (not football) cool, and for the love of God get married to a good spouse before having children. This is why nothing works despite the decades of education reform. It's not the reformers or bureaucrats, as much as I'd like to blame them, its society and parents who don't hold their children or their schools accountable. And there are a lot of good single parents out there but they don't have time to go fight the school system or spend hours a day going over homework. Thus the importance of marriage and being able to combine resources, despite what the feminists say about the disposability of men.
+joenuevo Gosh, I missed out on a great discussion a year ago.
What you have is a serious solution. I don't think it's totally on point, but there are good ideas - if a school is to be a miserable place where kids slave away at something they don't care about for twelve years of their life, I can think of no better place than those 60s-70s style brick buildings with terrible climate control and prison walls.
If a school is going to be a community center that kids frequent for all types of activities year-round, where they can explore and use resources, develop ideas, do individual and group projects, be inspired to master the intellectual disciplines that will improve them as people, improve their lives and futures, improve their community and the world, then it's time to put money into that, build the facilities, and invest in the future generation. We should take responsibility for our debt, but if we are going to blow dollars, let's do it on giving the kids a fighting chance to pay off whatever we didn't.
But government needs to get out. Our government was deliberately designed to be inefficient so that it could not easily interfere with our lives our stomp our rights. Government brings politics. We need experts and locals to make decisions about education.
Rereading what I wrote a year ago, I still stand by it. Sometime between then and now I spoke with a teacher who I greatly respect and he disagreed with me on the point about unions.
That being said, I wasn't terribly convinced by his argument and probably gave him more ground than I should have due entirely out of respect.
Good teachers are still under-paid; bad teachers are still over-employed; and money is mechanically reduced to fecal matter.
joenuevo Absolutely - teachers play an essential role in society - possibly moreso than doctors. Pay should reflect that. Unions have their place - in business. Education is a universal interest.
Sometimes I think that teachers are paid so little as to attract more devoted people rather than those that want a larger sum of money and don't necessarily care about the education they're supposed to be giving... I still agree with you on many of these points though...
YES TO EDUCATION REFORM!
But just reforming the financial system and eliminating things like core testing will not be the whole solution. Some core skills are very important. Here's a few things that need to be integrated into all school systems:
Educate children so they can be productive members of society; common sense has left this country.
Teach birth control, self control, self defense, how to earn self respect,
how to EARN trophies and rewards,
how to respect those who are making the world better (teachers for example).
Core values: Loyalty, Duty, Respect, Selfless Service, Honor, Integrity, Personal Courage;
Teach WHY we need to know math, science, history, reading/writing.
Teach children early and often what skills are needed to get a job and keep a job.
Money management, family management and parenting skills, community participation.
Teach how to manage emotions in healthy ways.
The school system in Sweden was opened up for entrepreneurs and it's been a disaster ever since. The private schools have an economic incentive to pay as little as possible for the education and to teach the children just about the minimum requirements to pass the standardized tests.
Again, the goal is push competition. Private schools are out to make money and they need to compete for consumers. I cannot speak authoritatively on Sweden's system as I am not Swedish, but having several schools and allowing people to CHOOSE means that schools need to actually try and be better or else they lose their income base
Tophurion
If your assumptions were correct the best selling fast food restaurant would also be healthiest and the best selling car would be the cleanest. But that's not how a market economy works...
Schools "bribe" kids using all sorts of gifts or benefits and they make the classes easy and fun but kids really don't learn as well as they used to. That's a fact.
(Compare privatized schools with McDonals)
*****
Children in American private schools are probably much more motivated to get good grades and they probably also have much less difficult living environment compared to average middle class who only can enter communal schools.
Your comparison is not equivalent because the benefits of a fast food competition is cheaper prices and more food. Quality plays a role, but price is key. You don't pay for school (beyond taxes). The factor that people weigh in choosing a school is the quality of the school whereas price is the factor weighed in fast food. The best-selling car is the most effective for people.
These things are not comparable because the purpose of each of those items are clearly different. You could argue price with colleges where that IS a factor, but not with public schools or charter schools.
Tophurion
Consider how large portion of the money the school receives is used for the education - that's the "price". Difficult for a parent/student to know and as I already stated other things as "free" laptops outweigh boring stats.
In Sweden there's a discussion on regulating how much profit the schools are allowed to make to ensure the money is actually used for educational purposes.
This guy walks weird.
***** Mute it and it looks like he's rapping.
Quite honestly, I agree with the first option alone. I love voucher programs and concepts, but I am dubious of a free market approach to education. I don't want to unduly disparage the free market system, the most efficient in terms of classical resources for money. Education, however, is not a classical good, and thus requires a non-free market approach. I do think the solution is to de-emphasize standardized testing, but I also think that the solution is a reverse privatization metric and a tolerance for non-standard approaches to education. Sure, that means that creationism gets taught in some schools, but it also means that these ideas start to have to stand on their merits and the most effective approach to education will become apparent quickly. Combined with a free college program, such as Scotland, and we would unleash the greatest educated in the history of mankind.
Agreed. Great comment.
WTF, of course you need a highschool diploma, why would I emply someone that didnt even take time to do 12 grades?
The solution isn't charter schools. They don't do any better to put the financial pressure on parents instead and cost taxpayers more... solution is turning schools into learning centers and the curriculum online so every course can be available everywhere... at least in my mind... public schools with actual options.
Trying to use education to lift people out of poverty is backwards. If you want to improve education, reduce poverty.
Good talk. But you mention that the problem is testing and narrow curriculum but in your solution you provide the same - a marketplace based on inspection and scores and metrics.
The message was lost in all the walk and talk shots, I kept getting distracted!
I disagree with creativity part. Sure today's school environment isn't really trying to promote it, but does it really diminishes it in any way? With proper work ethics that parents should give to their kids, I really don't see a problem. I know many creative people. Playing instruments, drawing, others having creative solutions to the problems, or interesting views and perspective, etc. The biggest problem in my opinion is the fact that having a diploma can actually increase the chance of climbing the top 4 times. Why? Why is it that college became an extension of mandatory education? It should be for passionate people who want to study, not go there because otherwise they don't get a job. Hence I would say that I agree with change number 2. It might change the idea that college is the only way to get a job. Idea number 1 is also pretty nice, but idea number 3? Not so much. I mean in general it's good, but there are already for years debates about education in scientific journals. Why teacher don't read them and then implement, I don't know. It's like a doctor not following the news in medical journals, for lawyers not keeping up with law changes etc. Maybe instead of pushing money for re educating teachers, we could incentivise their approach, creating a more competitive market so that teachers who actually want to change something, could do it and teachers who just complacently follow the curriculum, or even worse, eagerly so, would disappear.
This is a radical concept for most people to except. The points and ideas shared on this video are general and are design to engage thought and to encourage the viewer to check out the speakers book. In short the author is thinking out side of the box and that will take a lot of people to an uncomfortable area of misunderstanding. However If you are one of the gifted few that have the mental capacity to grasp the concepts being shared, you might see the potential for the powerful ideas to revolutionize the educational system that we except today
The current system relies too heavily on standardized test taking. Alas, there are few alternatives. Public school systems will continue to have trouble as long as this standard is kept. I was traditionally homeschooled for 11 years. I received personalized education through my parents, tutors and others who never went to school for education. Not much can beat individualized education. Perhaps another issue with the public school system is parental involvement. I guess I was blessed with parents who cared a lot about my education.
Another little flaw that happens when money comes into edducation is that the lowering of costs could eventually have those very low costing and low qualities schools that that are only after the money. Their very attractive prices could make Jenifer's familly choose this kind school, bigger schools would then grow more expensive spreadding the gap between education for poor and rich people. But, who knows, quality inspectors might help turn this around.
Taking a look at this comment section shows part of the problem... its extremely hard to see how bad the system is unless your in it. Im currently in high school and honest to god anyone that i have talked to at my school agrees almost every part of the education system is screwed up. eliminating narrower curriculum and standardized testing would not solve it completely but its 100% a start and would help. I cant read small print due to a condition with my eyes, and the response of the school system is not helping at all.Everyday i go through an uphill battle against all of these bureaucratic laws and regulations and systems that are seemingly bullshit. They have things in place not to help, but to make it look like their helping and have excuses, and none of the help they have tried has worked at all. This is a big problem, the generalizing of students. I understand that there is no easy way of solving this problem because it is the least expensive and least effort, but in shaping our future, we need to invest a LOT more resources to make the system bringing them up a TON better. So yes, there is a huge problem, and yes some of what he is saying i believe would help at least a bit, which is a start
Sam Rodrigue I'm surprised there are people like that in your high school, most people in mine are showing the result in poor education; they complain about the consequences of their actions, refuse to take responsibility for themselves, or focus on minor things rather than on the big picture (like applying for sports rather than doing something about the government they love to mock and complain about), like that the education system isn't working (or working "well" ) amongst other issues... But that's just me, how are you?
there are also people like that for sure
Entrepreneurship should be a class you can take in hs. There's business degrees in college, but I question how good the actual "business" knowledge is you get from that. My suspicion is that's mostly just an economics class.
But there should be courses you can take for how to start a business. There's a lot that doesn't even require a ton of trade knowledge that pays good money. You just can't start them without the knowledge of how to start it (and maybe the few grand needed to start it).
Landscaping is a big one, window washing, I just saw guy cleaning windows on tiktok. It's not glamorous stuff, but it can absolutely pay the bills quite well if you can get it up and running.
I highly recommend listening from this teacher's (GrapplingIgnorance) perspective: So You Want to be a Teacher --The Contradiction
It's a great insight to what teachers deal with.
I never passed the 9th grade and I own 2 business and travel a lot if you want to stay in debt all the time then go to school , heres the thing u need school if ur going to be a teacher doctor a layer, but if want to learn about business , or creative arts like music web design you do not need that, and if anyone like to know how to invest and put their money to work for them contact me,
This is a suggestion for a marketplace not an ecosystem but good marketing.
I agree so much that i am making a document on why we should change it.
@JohnathanRodriguez
Yeah I couldn't pay attention to the message he was trying to convey because it looked like he was trying to film a rap video. Upon listening and not viewing, I like his ideas.
I think that all of the fancy graphics and movement that's happening on screen with nothing to do with thee topic is distracting. Great video otherwise.
Sweden have a system that where their is a extremly vibrant School system if you live in a city. The Diverse and creative school system have no helped school results in Sweden and im willing to bet it`s best system in the world to foster a diverse number of schools.
The book "Bad Biz: Your Guide to Starting a For Profit College" by Corin Devaso is an interesting read. It's satire that shows how some colleges scam.
great work!
What you need to do is get rid of the retarded system of grades from Kindergarden to 12th.
"a lot of money goes into education....we want more of the action"
Why is he jumping at 2:36 ?
Just make the kids work and choose their own investments in life. Your value of success is only money oriented anyways right?
Children aren't very good at making decisions for themselves. Do you mean let the parents make decisions? Not all parents are good at making decisions either.
Yeah, education is important! We should take it deeply seriously. (Yeah, in some ways "they who control the money control the content.")
In my thinking, a fundamental for education reform is to get the philosophy of education right and focus on rational, logical thought. All else is secondary. A number of things are important, and everything is interrelated, but fundamentals need to come first.
Here are some of my thoughts in that regard:
The importance of making connections, aka multidisciplinary thinking, in teaching and education (27 min video): ua-cam.com/video/UcnXF1pVuCM/v-deo.html
Teachers should be trained in logic (13 min video): ua-cam.com/video/7XH5ZsGbDkA/v-deo.html
What logic is (1 hour 40 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/fH7xw34aTPQ/v-deo.html
What logic is (8 min video): ua-cam.com/video/E61dvHjPiAs/v-deo.html
What education is, a discussion with a philosopher (1 hour 20 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/akfKR2mc5ww/v-deo.html
What education is, a discussion with a teacher (1 hour 20 min podcast episode): ua-cam.com/video/8Cj_VLRfSUA/v-deo.html
We are self-sovereign social, rational animals. And getting that rational and self-sovereign part is hard work -- and is important for serving as a "governor" (in the sense of machines, not politics) on the social and for keeping things tied to truth.
”Education must also train one for quick, resolute and effective thinking. To think incisively and to think for one’s self is very difficult. We are prone to let our mental life become invaded by legions of half truths, prejudices, and propaganda. At this point, I often wonder whether or not education is fulfilling its purpose. A great majority of the so-called educated people do not think logically and scientifically. Even the press, the classroom, the platform, and the pulpit in many instances do not give us objective and unbiased truths. To save man from the morass of propaganda, in my opinion, is one of the chief aims of education. Education must enable one to sift and weigh evidence, to discern the true from the false, the real from the unreal, and the facts from the fiction.”
--Martin Luther King, Jr. (From MLK’s 1947 article “The Purpose of Education,” published in the Morehouse College campus newspaper The Maroon Tiger. See: kinginstitute.stanford.edu/king-papers/documents/purpose-education)
"standardized tests are bad, but we need a system of inspectors to measure the quality of schools"
"we need a buzzword, to buzzword the buzzwords, so that students can buzzword more efficiently!"
not saying the ideas here are inherently bad, but this presentation makes me want to punch someone.
Interesting concepts to run a school like a business- but a you can't run a business if you don't have funds,or staff to run it properly. In an ideal world- every school would be funded as they need to be. The problem is- how are the schools going to be funded?
Charter schools aren't the answer. Students in low-income families will not be able to fund for their children's education, and the "haves" will have a superior education because their family has money- and thus with a superior education leads to higher opportunities.
Tyroniix Just look at what happened when the US decided to run its healthcare system like a business. Y'all pay more than anyone else for some of the worst care in the developed world. The free market doesn't regulate in favor of the consumers - allowing it to take over things like education, justice, and healthcare has failed each time it has been tried.
Except this "business" of healthcare is not a free market. It is an oligopoly that allows for anti-competition measures.
Benjamin Wiseman the free market does not regulate in favor of the consumers
it is regulate by the consumers
Maybe the guy has had both legs broken and had to relearn to walk. In any case, he needs to learn again. You can see him lose it every now and then. "oops I'm walking like a geek again, start bouncing."
Mute the video and play either a country or rap song. LOL!
Some interesting stuff. IMO our schools do as well as any nation's schools at education (see here:super-economy.blogspot.com/2010/12/amazing-truth-about-pisa-scores-usa.html) but they spend money very inefficiently. If we make education cheaper, easier and more enjoyable children will go longer but we deteriorate the value of diplomas. Now our schools do not cover daycare hours very well and we could use money savings from cutting admin to cover more hours. Schools should provide daycare from 7:00am to 6:00 pm with the early and late hours optional and they should be able to do it for less money than is spent now IMHO this could easily be done. Of course most of what is taught in schools worldwide is not useful to the students (see here: econlog.econlib.org/authorbcaplan.html#recent) and great improvements could be made in that area. We do not know how to teach students more but we might be able to teach more useful skills and knowledge.
In fascist movements rewriting history has played an important role. Look at Florida and be afraid
Think you might be interested in this. The Antiacademic Doctrine: Introduction Something I started independently about 17 years ago.
whats up with this guys walk??...
The free market approach may work to some degree in metropolitan areas but people in rural areas couldn't support true competition. Plus this system would always favor the financially endowed.