grad you enjoyed watching it. it was wob=nderful to experience it. So sad to see the tradition boating disappearing as most families end up loosing access to the water and fishing.
James Wharram should be creating designs for a lashed together version, like this, but maybe with the ideas like Russel Brown’s Jzerro that regularly sails in the mid to high teens of kts.
Wonderful video. Looked like a fun fast ride. Must have been a blast! I'm guessing the canoe is what is called a korkor, smaller design than the tipnol canoe design. The flexible outrigger (called a kubaak, I think) connection seems to be a stroke of genius to reduce stress forces. Maybe even allowing them to sail faster. I don't know how widely spread the use of that design feature is, but I think it is also a tradition design outside of the RMI. But not in the Marianas islands. You had a nice secure seating position. The helmsman's seating position is narrow and precarious, looking easy to fall off if sailing in larger waves. With the wide beam I've wondered how they right the canoe following a capsize. I did not see the use of a steering paddle. But as you left the beach there appears to be some kind of rudder at the stern. I don't recall seeing that before on RMI canoes. Since these type of boats change direction by shunting, (the bow and stern reverse, when the sail is switched to the opposite end), I'm guessing the rudder is moved to the opposite end. In other videos of RMI canoes I've only seen them steering with a long handled paddle that is easy to move to the opposite end. Also thank you for the detail about the construction of this canoe in the video description. Seemed to be the same construction method used by WAM (Waan Aelon in Majel) at their display at the Hague in the Netherlands, Nov. 2018.
the helman uses a rudder and steers it behind his back... when they tack to move the rudder to the other end of the boat...The outrigger always stays on the windward side of the boat... the canoes are really wide and are perfect for their location and for what they are doing most of the time transporting people and bags of Copra up and down their atoll Ailuk. no big seas as they are behind the reef and motos. As they canoes are now made with plywood and stick and glue they are much lighter than they would have been in the past...they can easily be dragged out of the water every day. as you can see in the video they had fun pushing it a bit and flying the outrigger ... but they were always ready to either let out the sail or head in wind to bring it back down again. Thanks for the interest...I have tons of still images of the boat construction details if you are interested...cheers David
@@davidhartmanphotography David, thanks for the reply. You bet, I'd be interesting in seeing your still photos of modern stitch & glue plywood construction of the sailing canoes in the RMI. Where do I find the the photos? I did not see the canoe photos on your webpage link seen at the end of the video. I appreciate you mentioning the construction photos. "Canoes of Oceania" by Haddon & Hornell only provides details of traditional construction. Janusz Ostrowski at Pjoa in Poland has the only plywood S & G building plans (for their 5m pjoa Folk canoe, based on their production model pjoa Laguna) that I am aware of -- that looks to be a refined, tested design, and fairly close to the RMI canoes. Maybe adapted for sailing in colder water, not as wet. I lived in Hawaii in the mid 1970s, and have retained an interest, that has ebbed & flowed over the years, in the navigation methods and watercraft of the Pacific Islands, especially the outrigger shunting designs, ever since then. Motivated by seeing the stitched together canoes at the Bishop Museum, and of course living there during the time of the initial Hokulea voyage to Tahiti. However, I was out to sea submerged somewhere in the W. Pacific during the voyages, and never saw the Hokulea under sail, only tied to the wharf in Honolulu harbor. If I still lived by the sea I'd probably want to own a similar Marshall Islands or Caroline Islands canoe. My best practical option for first hand experience with these type of watercraft is probably building as accurate a model as possible. Oh, btw, I am a David, too. Kom̧m̧ooltata.
Hi, I'm christophe from France living in Cox's bazar Bangladesh and building canoes and kayaks made of pvc...these days... I'm interested to give sails and outriggers to my canoes and the traditional designs of your video seems quite fit for a developing country where everything is not available yet... Any plans available? Best regards, Tata
When they capsize I think this happens: the main hull is more buoyant and the ama is lighter, so it floats with ama up in the air and main hull and sail on surface of water. Nothing underwater. So to right it they stand on main hull and lean back using a rope, the ama comes down on top of them and sail goes up. With nothing underwater it's easy to right.
I want a blue water cruiser type. Yes far more sparse in accomodations but speed to rin from bad weather and faster crossings would outweigh that in my opinion
There was no ironwood for the ama? When I was in the region in the late 90s and ealrly 00s, there were lots of trees large enough. Was this a mistake in the interview process? Breadfruit wood is light and fluffy. It rots easily. When soaked, I do imagine it would take on lots of mass though.
notice the v bottom of the ama.... that makes the marshall island ama the first deep vee planing hull... and how many hundreds or thousands of years ahead of the western powerboat is that!!!!
totally agree its an amazingly modern design. What is nice is they have embraced modern materials. They are using plywood and stitch and glue construction for the hulls and tarps for the sails. Their boats are a lot lighter than they would have been originally built.
Its all about transporting people and bags of coconuts which they harvest from one end of the usland to the other end. Perfectly suited to skimming over the shallow areas of their atoll. Plus the wind tends to blow in same direction all they time so no tacking involved.
Wow! A cheap tarp, some cheap rope, some wood and awesome building skills and you have a speed machine. Well Done! Thanks for sharing the video!
grad you enjoyed watching it. it was wob=nderful to experience it. So sad to see the tradition boating disappearing as most families end up loosing access to the water and fishing.
Wow nice one, can’t wait to go back
Wow! Loved watching that ama fly!
Liked, subscribed, good stuff….. but boy I bet the water would sound better than loud seminar/pharmaAd music
lots of these videos have super noisy wind, maybe that was the case here, too
Great video David!
Thanks Alan
Thank you soo much for sharing how cool
Pleasure i felt privileged to get to see them and ride on one. It very sad that its disappearing throughout the South Pacific.
James Wharram should be creating designs for a lashed together version, like this, but maybe with the ideas like Russel Brown’s Jzerro that regularly sails in the mid to high teens of kts.
There is some proper smiling going on there 😀
absolutely... super special experience.
Wonderful video. Looked like a fun fast ride. Must have been a blast!
I'm guessing the canoe is what is called a korkor, smaller design than the tipnol canoe design. The flexible outrigger (called a kubaak, I think) connection seems to be a stroke of genius to reduce stress forces. Maybe even allowing them to sail faster. I don't know how widely spread the use of that design feature is, but I think it is also a tradition design outside of the RMI. But not in the Marianas islands.
You had a nice secure seating position. The helmsman's seating position is narrow and precarious, looking easy to fall off if sailing in larger waves. With the wide beam I've wondered how they right the canoe following a capsize.
I did not see the use of a steering paddle. But as you left the beach there appears to be some kind of rudder at the stern. I don't recall seeing that before on RMI canoes. Since these type of boats change direction by shunting, (the bow and stern reverse, when the sail is switched to the opposite end), I'm guessing the rudder is moved to the opposite end. In other videos of RMI canoes I've only seen them steering with a long handled paddle that is easy to move to the opposite end. Also thank you for the detail about the construction of this canoe in the video description. Seemed to be the same construction method used by WAM (Waan Aelon in Majel) at their display at the Hague in the Netherlands, Nov. 2018.
the helman uses a rudder and steers it behind his back... when they tack to move the rudder to the other end of the boat...The outrigger always stays on the windward side of the boat... the canoes are really wide and are perfect for their location and for what they are doing most of the time transporting people and bags of Copra up and down their atoll Ailuk. no big seas as they are behind the reef and motos. As they canoes are now made with plywood and stick and glue they are much lighter than they would have been in the past...they can easily be dragged out of the water every day. as you can see in the video they had fun pushing it a bit and flying the outrigger ... but they were always ready to either let out the sail or head in wind to bring it back down again. Thanks for the interest...I have tons of still images of the boat construction details if you are interested...cheers David
@@davidhartmanphotography David, thanks for the reply. You bet, I'd be interesting in seeing your still photos of modern stitch & glue plywood construction of the sailing canoes in the RMI. Where do I find the the photos? I did not see the canoe photos on your webpage link seen at the end of the video. I appreciate you mentioning the construction photos.
"Canoes of Oceania" by Haddon & Hornell only provides details of traditional construction. Janusz Ostrowski at Pjoa in Poland has the only plywood S & G building plans (for their 5m pjoa Folk canoe, based on their production model pjoa Laguna) that I am aware of -- that looks to be a refined, tested design, and fairly close to the RMI canoes. Maybe adapted for sailing in colder water, not as wet.
I lived in Hawaii in the mid 1970s, and have retained an interest, that has ebbed & flowed over the years, in the navigation methods and watercraft of the Pacific Islands, especially the outrigger shunting designs, ever since then. Motivated by seeing the stitched together canoes at the Bishop Museum, and of course living there during the time of the initial Hokulea voyage to Tahiti. However, I was out to sea submerged somewhere in the W. Pacific during the voyages, and never saw the Hokulea under sail, only tied to the wharf in Honolulu harbor. If I still lived by the sea I'd probably want to own a similar Marshall Islands or Caroline Islands canoe. My best practical option for first hand experience with these type of watercraft is probably building as accurate a model as possible. Oh, btw, I am a David, too. Kom̧m̧ooltata.
Hi, I'm christophe from France living in Cox's bazar Bangladesh and building canoes and kayaks made of pvc...these days...
I'm interested to give sails and outriggers to my canoes and the traditional designs of your video seems quite fit for a developing country where everything is not available yet...
Any plans available?
Best regards, Tata
When they capsize I think this happens: the main hull is more buoyant and the ama is lighter, so it floats with ama up in the air and main hull and sail on surface of water. Nothing underwater. So to right it they stand on main hull and lean back using a rope, the ama comes down on top of them and sail goes up. With nothing underwater it's easy to right.
@@davidhartmanphotography how can they move the outrigger while sailling?
Just like a paraw.☺️
I want a blue water cruiser type. Yes far more sparse in accomodations but speed to rin from bad weather and faster crossings would outweigh that in my opinion
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There was no ironwood for the ama? When I was in the region in the late 90s and ealrly 00s, there were lots of trees large enough. Was this a mistake in the interview process? Breadfruit wood is light and fluffy. It rots easily. When soaked, I do imagine it would take on lots of mass though.
notice the v bottom of the ama.... that makes the marshall island ama the first deep vee planing hull... and how many hundreds or thousands of years ahead of the western powerboat is that!!!!
totally agree its an amazingly modern design. What is nice is they have embraced modern materials. They are using plywood and stitch and glue construction for the hulls and tarps for the sails. Their boats are a lot lighter than they would have been originally built.
How did you get there? In a first class cabin on a cruise ship. BTW: Nice $100 hairdo.
fastest canoes in the Pacific
They are pretty amazing. Transforming out design with contemporary materials.
Would you happen to know the approximate length of this canoe?
Its about 30-35 ft if inremenber correctly.
👍👍
Wow
can you tack or gybe that?
There is nothing like riding the ama when its flying.
It was pretty cool experience 👍👍
nur einen sogenannten bugspriet einsetzen und durch vorholen und umsetzen des segels ist dann das echte kreuzen möglich, ohne hin-und herzufahren.
This boat is definitely none of the *liveaboard* variety. 😕
Its all about transporting people and bags of coconuts which they harvest from one end of the usland to the other end. Perfectly suited to skimming over the shallow areas of their atoll. Plus the wind tends to blow in same direction all they time so no tacking involved.