The ioniq5 has had problems with dead 12 v batteries since its launch. Often owners would come out to the car and find it completely dead. They then need to jumpstart it.
I’m so glad I bailed on a Ioniq 5 before its ICCU saw its demise. This problem has been stewing for over a year Stateside with owners seeing their vehicles stuck in repairs for months.
Hyundai Motor America (Hyundai) is recalling certain 2023 IONIQ 5, IONIQ 6, and Genesis GV60 vehicles. The rear inner driveshaft may have been improperly heat-treated, allowing it to break under load and resulting in a loss of drive power.
I have a 2019 Kona and they had a recall for a faulty battery in that car. Although I never experienced any problems the battery was replaced no questions ask. Hyundai had been great handling this. The Kona has been a great car and I have confidence that they will address this ICCU problem with the same courtesy as they handled the Kona recall. I would buy a Hyundai any time and have great confidence in the company. I am a retired guy and have no affiliation with the company for those of you who might think I have some sort of connection with them.
Actually, Tesla had a similar issue way back. Their DC-to-DC converters were failing on Model S and their 12v batteries were dying. Elon told the staff to stop buying off-the-shelf parts and to make the part in-house so there could be better quality control. This was the birth of Tesla's vertical integration. Today, no Tesla DC-to-DC converters fail. Why? They spend the extra money on high quality components (electronics)... the quality of components that go onto circuit boards that are in the Dragon capsules that fly to the International Space Station. "Minimize failures" is not a goal of any other car company. That's why a Tesla.
Good video Sam, and very kind to Hyundai & Kia. I'm awaiting delivery of my M3RWD next week here in Victoria BC 🇨🇦 (as you may know from previous comments on your videos). I watch you religiously and decided on Tesla largely because of what I've learned from you!
Tesla pushes OTA update to change font size on some warning screen: Worldwide media coverage, "Tesla recalls all cars!" KIA dies on highway and 12V batteries die all the time: Nothing to see here, move along. Who do you think buys the most ads?
Indeed, occasionally a 12v battery fails, but that’s not the issue here…the issue here is overcharging/overcurrent blows transistors that prevent the 12v from charging.
05:00 - obviously you don't understand the Streisand effect. When Barbara Streisand tried to sue someone for showing her home online...it went viral because of her action. Nobody cared about her home before. She did some serious indirect marketing there. And that's the same with Tesla: whenever media claims something negative about Musk and Tesla media just extends their range - and both become pop-culture: if you don't hear about it you feel as if something is missing.
I had my iccu replaced in my Kia ev-6 months ago, along with the software update. Never had any problems but I don’t ever need to fast charge it. It was the 250kW (235) charger that caused the issue. With 11.5kw charger at home and a realistic 260 miles range it just never needs it. For longer road trips I need more space for my family so I just use a gas vehicle, unless it’s relatives without needing to bring much and then I just use my portable 3.6kW charger at their house.
Don't buy Korean EVs. Samsung and LG was guilty of placing their capacitors in a way their televisions failed faster than other brands. I guess, the Koreans did another shortcut, and caused problems for themselves.
As long as I can remember almost all hyundai and Kia EVs have had 12V battery issues, discharging early. Even first gen models. I hope that when they decide to replace the ICCUs , they are upgraded versions. And maybe the ICCUs also have smarter charging algorhytms to maintain the 22V batter at all times. Curious to know though if the fire risk issues have been resolved for the affected vehicles. I'm noticing the first gen early and later builds are increasingly becoming affordable and I teresting buys as a second hand vehicle. I do notice it is hard to find reliable information how to look foe troubled cars and find out of they are fixed or not. Anyone have sources on this as a reference?
no issues with my ioniq 2019 but battery warning pop up after 30 sec if I do not close the car fully after shutting the motor off (to listen radio, Bluetooth call, ETC) I must open the driver door in order to fully shut down my car (which is weird) no other issues car charge at full speed pretty much at any temperature and no battery degradation thanks to the buffer in place
The news media is supported by advertising which Hyundai does a lot of I'm sure that is the major factors of why there's no mention of the problems with the Hyundai cars
of course they count but if you're talking about advertising dollars the news media will always protect those who are paying them to run their ads and to be honest Hyundai and Kia run a lot of ads which keeps the reporting of their electrical car problems in the shadows@@justinr9753
Pointing out a problem is not being anti anything. It is a public service. This applies to all consumers' products EVs included. Being a fandoy helps no one make good decisions.
You can be sure if Rivian or Tesla had this problem it would be worldwide front page news. For some reason American EV carmakers are quick to receive negative press and other EV makers around the world are allowed to slag off. The chance that countries other than the US are quietly propping up their own EV carmakers and trying to cover up negative press is not zero.
I'm sure you don't know this because apparently you think nobody covers it, not they have had issues with fire, theft, and engine failures with their regular cars
I’ve read where even their cars with replaced ICCUs and software have developed the same problem, so it’s not clear they really have a permanent fix. Is this true?
Sounds like the Hyundai/Kia that we've come to expect. They've had all these "Great" ICE/HYBRID products for years with bad engines, bad transmissions, electrical systems prone to fires, etc, etc that they drag their feet on addressing so why would one reasonably expect their EV's to be any better? Its a roll of the dice and if you get a problematic ICE, HYBRID or EV from them too many people get the runaround from their dealers here. For them its "Fool me Once but your not going to Fool me Twice". Best!
Hi The Electric Viking, I'm thinking about buy a new EV in a couple years. I'm afraid to get a Hyundai or Kia because of the faulty ICCU? Which EV manufactures have trouble free ICCU battery drain issues? Thanks, Charlie
They should be super reliable. This ideological drive to make evs super computers with operating systems and multi screen entertainment units is bonkers. Get the basics right first.
@@mongo64071 I bought the Ioniq 5 because it operated pretty much like a conventional ICE car. I did not want a giant screen like the Tesla or Mach E sitting out of my sight line.
Are the CEOs at Kia and Hyundai aware that all the customers that have such issues with their cars could unite over the Internet, all deny repairs and demand their money back - which would result in an instant bankruptcy of these manufacturers?...
I think Hyundai & Kia drag their feet on these recalls simply because of the money factor. I own 2 Hyundai's a 2013 Sonata and an Elantra and they are stolen daily easily as a matter of fact mine was stolen in 2023 and returned but with costly repairs. Then I recently got a free update to the software on both cars all almost 10 years late and you know they knew about this years ago. Even my insurance company told me that they have a class action suit against Huyndia for this exact problem and I hope they win!
No need for fancy punishments from regulatory agencies. All that need be done is to publicize this faulty design and highlight the names of the models, brands & manufacturers involved. Their sales will go down in consequence, which will be the best result for all concerned. Ordinary market forces will do the work. Other brands will quake in their boots & improve their testing algorithms. Everybody wins! Or am I being naively optimistic?
Hyundai/Kia has spent billions of dollars a year for advertising...It even paid millions of dollars for 30-second ad in super bowl break...That's why media never put out any negative news about this company.
so in 2025 : new LFP battery new ICCU new infotainment system New charging connector (for North America ) will it be enough to drive the car from A to B ?
This is typical of Hyundai or Kia vehicles. The first one I had was a 2011 Sonata and I had recalls back to back and now my for my Soul EV I get a recall fixed and then it seems like next week in the mail. I have another recall letter.
Let me add to my comment. I already know it's not this car. That doesn't matter. The damage has been done most people wake up and go. Is it going to be there this morning or not? That's a reality. That's not bad luck and their service sucks Heard a lot of problems about that too
11.2 per thousand vs 1.6 are stolen in the United States all vehicles these two car companies. That's the numbers except it's higher in a large city, much higher I personally know people their car's been stolen more than three times and new fix does not work either how would you like to have a car where the insurance company drops you and nobody wants you. How do you sell that? Do you drive it with no insurance I never heard of an insurance company dropping cars and it's not a safety issue. What does that tell you? Just under 10 times more than the average for any people that don't know, the United States has a real problem with stolen cars, I know a lot of people will never buy a car from these companies these two
This is the same case for me. First, UA-camrs in U.S. having 12V problems, “out of spec reviews” Kyle’s father who baught an Ioniq 5 and then some others who also baught Hyundai and KIA EVs.Then some other big issues with battery replacement on the whole car value.
As a Ev owner you should get educated on products before you purchase them. I have a 2022 kia ev niro. It has been a excellent car and being that it is two years old with 24,000 miles I have had ZERO problems. Do your research on the car before you make you purchase!
I own an EV-6 and had the iccu and software update months ago. Never had even a single problem, it was only people who used the 250kw (235) fast charger frequently. I only charge at home because with a solid 260 miles range and 11kw charger with cheap electricity at home there has never been a need.
In the United States today not last year not 5 years ago2024 these two car companies are 10 times More likely to be stolen that number is 11.2 per thousand your answer is not my car my answer it doesn't matter when you don't have a car to drive you don't buy the same brand again. Forget about it
Thanks for this and all your informative videos. One request: please …. Clarify your pronunciation when you are discussing LFP batteries. It sounds like you are saying lithium “ion” when I think you are intending to say lithium “iRon”. Can’t hear the “R” 🙃
I have a Hyundai i30 that has had a replacement ecu ... just because ... and now has a non functioning stereo system, no buttons work at all, its just a dash light Yeah, I would totally buy an entirely electric hyundai
The EV tech is still yet to mature into reliability of manufacture.... Except Tesla. Their failure is to have everything in the touch screen. Not safe. Plus price reductions caused high depreciation. I still think battery tech is toooo young...
We learned on some factory tour videos of the Tesla factory that Tesla has their own internal part testing facility. This facility tests the parts for durability and longevity by actually running the parts under an accelerated aging until the parts fail. They then engineer the failed bits so they won't fail. They have done this type of fail testing for many years now and have great trust in the durability of the parts they use in their cars. Most OEMs get their parts from Tier 1 suppliers who themselves run durability tests but they are often simulations not actual real world. Hopefully these tires of problems will lead the Tier suppliers to also use real world aging and know how long the parts should last, not just estimates.
Another important message about woeful news for another EV manufacturer from the Tesla Promotional Network. This message has to be the first of it's kind here.
I know that a lot of KonaE64 have been called back for a new battery. All konaE64 2018 and big part of 2019... May be not known world wide? I do not think so. Also I had a kona at that time and indeed got that recall letter.
@markadler8968 No, it's sarcasm. The EV stories covered here on this channel are always doom and gloom except for Tesla. The coverage of Toyota cars here has been relentless because they haven't committed to go all in on EVs. Toyota will be cleaning the clocks of every auto manufacturer who goes all in EV. Until some magic battery is introduced, Toyota has the most realistic outlook for the future. I own two PHEVs. Have had them now 7 years. BEVs make great city cars, and that's where the benefit ends. I wouldn't trade my 7 year PHEV for any brand new EV on the market, not even if it was an even trade up.
@@byrnc927 I figured it was sarcasm 😄😄I completely agree on the Toyotas having the best outlook. I am buying a Tundra in the next year or so. Even Toyotas are currently having trouble selling all their inventory due to the economy/interest rates/inflation and it is only going to get worse for them so I think even better deals will be had down the road.
@markadler8968 My son just bought a new Camry. I have yet to get behind the wheel of the new Prius. Dealers selling them so fast there are no Demos. That would be the only car I would replace our two Gen II Volts with. We recently went to the Tesla Dealer to see the new Cybertruck. Looks like a high school shop class assembled it.
Ev industry is still incredibly young there is bound to be growing pains, in ten years this type of tech will be common place, just look at battery tech!
Doesn’t mean the batteries will be cheap to replace. The rest of the car is a disposable item. Don’t forget to mine enough cobalt, lithium and other metals for the transport truck industry alone in the US for the next few years is over a billion of tonnes of earth, never mind how much water gets polluted in the mining of that material. It was an actual study that was released. Something like every six years 300 million tonnes of earth need to be mined for cobalt just for a few truck batteries. How is that good for the environment? More pollution, more destruction and damage and toxic waste.
@@kevinW826 I watched a vid that was covering an article that said if the entire commercial truck fleet in the US alone was electrified there would be about 6 years worth of resources on the entire planet to make these vehicles based on current estimates of global reserves. That figure did not include the materials required for the charging infrastructure or the materials needed for the personal vehicles being sold in the US. If the whole world needs EVs including commercial trucks we will have to strip mine the entire planet to produce them only to run out of these resources a few years down the road and go back to ICE engines.
LOOK....this Korean cars only get you in trouble if you buy! My uncle had a LG battery and only troubles... recall etc BYD and TEsla had none of this s*it
EVs are the future. They're already cheaper to run and have better acceleration, but range is definitely a problem and initial cost is too high. EV batteries are getting better at an amazing rate - energy density and so range will soon no longer be a problem.in addition the cost of batteries is falling rapidly - being only 25% of the price 2 years ago. In summary electric cars will soon not only be cheaper to run and have better acceleration - soon they will be cheaper and will have a better range than ICE cars
A reason why Tesla gets nailed for simple problems in Public, while other companies with bigger problems are not is due to Tesla not having a Marketing Department, while the other companies do have one. It is the Marketing department who is in charge to handle this problems for the company. Tesla doesn't have a Marketing Department coz Elon Musk doesn't want it, considering it a waste of money. That's why. It is not a matter of government conspiracy, although other companies could exploit that.
It is fascinating that it appears the South Koreans are so belligerently stubborn to acknowledge and then rectify problems with their products. In the US, LG has had enormous problems with their shitty fridges, many people who have expertise in this point to the fact of a faulty designed compressor. Whilst LG has been replacing the failed compressors on their fridges, they just replace them with the same shitty compressor that then fails again in a short period of time. Here is another South Korean product, Kia and Hyundai vehicles that have a component that appears to be grossly unreliable, and they also have been in a state of denial and resistance to resolve the problem. Who says that these replacement ICC units will not be the same faulty design of the originals. I hope here in the US that there is a large and very costly class action lawsuit against both LG and the South Korean electric vehicle makers to help put them on the straight and narrow!
i don't think any car brand will get the publicity of tesla. Lets be real here, Elon Musk and his antics the only reason why people give him the time of day for his comapines. its a blessing and curse.. more so a curse now a days. Like the whole thing with the Toyota Prius and the stuck accelerator pedal for the 2004-2009 models. this is going to be a blip on the radar for most. It has to be as bad as the ford's 1990 firestone tire explosions to be a real main stream news article.
It is just insane the third largest car manufacturer in the world cannot supply an EV that works…by the million,,,and cannot make necessary recalls on time . Quality control or uncontrolled garbage ? And if it would be the only problem ! Are for instance all Asian mfr over with the Tanaka scandal and bankruptcy on 2019 or they took the same set type and continued? Seeing the number of airbag warning lights « ON » on the dashboard of newer cars in VN, it does not seems the famous faulty impact sensor likes bad roads but since it does not stop the car but kills the occupants, no one care! Now for the planet savers…the top news is…..the 2024 greenest car per the ACEEE extensive and unquestionable neutral study is not even an BEV, but a PHEV and NO Tesla models,are listed in the ten greenest recommended cars : inefficiency and fast depreciation of heavy lithium wagons at its best…the wind is turning rapidly …😂😂😂
ive had a toyaota yaris for many many ears i loved the car even thou it had 6or7 recalls to be fixed , this happens to all carmanufactures i currently have a ioniq5 and i love the car acxtually the best driving car i ever owned period and ive had a dead ecu that had to be replaced for me to use my 11kkw homecharger does that make it a bad car? i dont think so.
@@PietKargaard Hyundai Kia recall a million EV on failure to recharge the 12V battery,,the large quantity is indicating that they did not reacted fast enough..
Honestly that company is hopeless. Even the simplest thing, managing and preventing 12V battery discharge and not using a coolant that crystallises around the battery is beyond this useless organisations ability and now this latest mess! I for one would not go anywhere near a Hyundai or Kia EVER again.
It is not advisable to purchase a Korean automobile. The electric vehicles manufactured by this brand are not engineered with the intention of battery replacement. Consequently, the vehicle can only be utilized until its battery's lifespan expires in a decade. The cost of battery replacement is equivalent to that of acquiring a new car due to the exclusive battery replacement procedure. I possess firsthand knowledge of this matter as I am employed within the electric vehicle sector, and it is widely acknowledged that owning a Korean vehicle results in diminished value. This situation can be likened to acquiring an iPad without the ability to replace its batteries.
That's not why stock is down, that only worked the first time and only for a minute. They are down because fundamentals. That's the thing with overvalued growth stocks, think about it like this, if you purchased the whole company by buying all the shares at today's price, at today's money it would take 40 years to make money back without growth. For reference, Toyota or Ford it would take 10
geez - would hate to see how much you would have slagged off Ford if this had happened to the Mach E ( similar thing happened but this seems worse). I think their designs are pretty ugly - especially the hot hatch looking one. It really baffles me how so many people say they look good.
This is My last comment here Forgive me if I ever offended. I've gossiped and hated Elon for along time. And said.cruel.things at times. .Im sorry and I'm leaving for it. Being homeless I've had.great.bitterness towards the Rich and im sorry. Wish you all the best
Sam you will see a lot more of those , and i hope you are electronic about +40 years old. Just because than you also noticed the quality drop in many electronic components, where 20y ago they where build to last a lifetime now if they go for 5 years you are in luck, and of course you had those condensators that burned out after 5 years but that was like 10% . If you buy a laptop (just example ) now you almost burn a charger every 2y if you're lucky ! When it's 5y old it's way overtime to buy a new one even when old is still good enouf to do it's task. Made to work ...h and than break down! and the weakest link in the chain determines it's strength! But sadly i think you are not otherwise you wouldn't have posted that video you did on batteries of an ev that will def. last for 10 years with only 10% drop in capacity ! Because outside cooling will help but it will still heat up on the inside what can't be avoided since it thermisch reaction that provides energy. And talking about the industry they will use it more likely to increase the output and reduce size than for longlivety. It will help , maybe double it's lifespan from 4y with loss of 40% to 8y with loss of 40% of wich 6 below 15% but more would be dreaming . Nice example are led lighting , they should be able to burn for your entire life , but how many do you need to change after 3 years? Where it's the transformator or condensator ,... that breaks down or even led itself, where i can easy build a led that will not have those problems if i use the correct components like just bit more watt that they can withstand or just 1-10 more omh resistor. Build to fail so you keep buying!
They are failing universally right across the board. It just took a few years to come to the realization now that there are more of them on the road and have been in production for more than a few years. I think if anything hybrids are the way to go if you must have a battery in the vehicle.
Depends on the hybrid (HEV) technology, as apparently based on reports from this channel, many HEVs have a worse fire safety record than straight EVs. That said HEVs are a more mature technology, so really they have no excuses. All that said, EVs need to be made more reliable to avoid self sabotaging their future, by giving EVs a bad reputation. I would say they are getting new EV models out the door too quickly and not performing adequate testing, as it makes zero financial sense to put out faulty vehicles, knowing the risk and costs of recall.
@@JoeyBlogs007 I agree I think a good example of that would be the Ford Lightning. I have no interest in purchasing an EV or a HEV anytime in the near future and will be buying up ICE vehicles just prior to the ban here in Canada as I think they will go up in value after EVs are the only option for a new vehicle.
Sure… Muppet! I have heard of this with happening with ICE cars since they switched to computers (ICU), instead of carburettors. In fact, as I recall there was a big uproar as one manufacturer calculated that it would be cheaper to deal with the individual litigations from incidences rather than a recall. So, no, this is not just limited to EVs.
it seems only the chinese can make reliable EV batteries...and ofcourse being the cheapest i guess...EV manufacturers as a result will have to work with the chinese!!
The ioniq5 has had problems with dead 12 v batteries since its launch. Often owners would come out to the car and find it completely dead. They then need to jumpstart it.
I can’t fine the video can you post it
@@bigdi77 Type ioniq 5 dead 12 volt battery
absolutely right. nobody is talking about it because it isn’t Tesla.
Only proves how popular Tesla is.
I noticed this too. The bias against Tesla is very obvious and not just because of Musk
@@peterkn2 Its because of Musk racist ass.
Yes that are.
Wrong. This is old news, and Hyundai/KIA has already released a fix for it. Mine has had the fix.
Their 12v battery was dying for years. They were blaming owners for checking their cars from the phone. Stupid!
I’m so glad I bailed on a Ioniq 5 before its ICCU saw its demise. This problem has been stewing for over a year Stateside with owners seeing their vehicles stuck in repairs for months.
Hyundai Motor America (Hyundai) is recalling certain 2023 IONIQ 5, IONIQ 6, and Genesis GV60 vehicles. The rear inner driveshaft may have been improperly heat-treated, allowing it to break under load and resulting in a loss of drive power.
How the fuck does this still happen in 2024? They are working on this every day. They are professionals with years, yeah decades of experience.
@@thyristoto be fair, maybe the heat and forces exerted on the driveshafts differed between ice engines and EVs?
They knew about this problem long ago, people were complaining a lot. Also the EV9 had issues with the 12v battery.
I have a 2019 Kona and they had a recall for a faulty battery in that car. Although I never experienced any problems the battery was replaced no questions ask. Hyundai had been great handling this. The Kona has been a great car and I have confidence that they will address this ICCU problem with the same courtesy as they handled the Kona recall. I would buy a Hyundai any time and have great confidence in the company. I am a retired guy and have no affiliation with the company for those of you who might think I have some sort of connection with them.
Nearly 50pc depreciation in 18 months...
Actually, Tesla had a similar issue way back. Their DC-to-DC converters were failing on Model S and their 12v batteries were dying. Elon told the staff to stop buying off-the-shelf parts and to make the part in-house so there could be better quality control. This was the birth of Tesla's vertical integration. Today, no Tesla DC-to-DC converters fail. Why? They spend the extra money on high quality components (electronics)... the quality of components that go onto circuit boards that are in the Dragon capsules that fly to the International Space Station. "Minimize failures" is not a goal of any other car company. That's why a Tesla.
Good video Sam, and very kind to Hyundai & Kia. I'm awaiting delivery of my M3RWD next week here in Victoria BC 🇨🇦 (as you may know from previous comments on your videos). I watch you religiously and decided on Tesla largely because of what I've learned from you!
Tesla pushes OTA update to change font size on some warning screen: Worldwide media coverage, "Tesla recalls all cars!"
KIA dies on highway and 12V batteries die all the time: Nothing to see here, move along.
Who do you think buys the most ads?
Indeed, occasionally a 12v battery fails, but that’s not the issue here…the issue here is overcharging/overcurrent blows transistors that prevent the 12v from charging.
@@ElectricSmurfhis point was Tesla is unfairly treated by the media. Who cares about the technicality?
05:00 - obviously you don't understand the Streisand effect. When Barbara Streisand tried to sue someone for showing her home online...it went viral because of her action. Nobody cared about her home before. She did some serious indirect marketing there.
And that's the same with Tesla: whenever media claims something negative about Musk and Tesla media just extends their range - and both become pop-culture: if you don't hear about it you feel as if something is missing.
I had my iccu replaced in my Kia ev-6 months ago, along with the software update. Never had any problems but I don’t ever need to fast charge it. It was the 250kW (235) charger that caused the issue. With 11.5kw charger at home and a realistic 260 miles range it just never needs it. For longer road trips I need more space for my family so I just use a gas vehicle, unless it’s relatives without needing to bring much and then I just use my portable 3.6kW charger at their house.
Don't buy Korean EVs. Samsung and LG was guilty of placing their capacitors in a way their televisions failed faster than other brands. I guess, the Koreans did another shortcut, and caused problems for themselves.
After the recall in south korea, some people still insist new or normal problems occured. I think this problem will be worse or something.
IF the goal is to make EV’s and mark them up and collect at dealerships then RESULTS!!!
Well no problem with mine I am on year 2
Neither do I.
Hyundai does NOT need these failures.
They failed massively with their GDI engine, and EV failures are unacceptable
IDK Is it really the media's responsibility to get KIA and Hyundai to do the right thing?
As long as I can remember almost all hyundai and Kia EVs have had 12V battery issues, discharging early. Even first gen models. I hope that when they decide to replace the ICCUs , they are upgraded versions. And maybe the ICCUs also have smarter charging algorhytms to maintain the 22V batter at all times. Curious to know though if the fire risk issues have been resolved for the affected vehicles. I'm noticing the first gen early and later builds are increasingly becoming affordable and I teresting buys as a second hand vehicle. I do notice it is hard to find reliable information how to look foe troubled cars and find out of they are fixed or not. Anyone have sources on this as a reference?
no issues with my ioniq 2019
but battery warning pop up after 30 sec if I do not close the car fully after shutting the motor off (to listen radio, Bluetooth call, ETC)
I must open the driver door in order to fully shut down my car (which is weird)
no other issues
car charge at full speed pretty much at any temperature and no battery degradation thanks to the buffer in place
I suspect they'll just do a software update during the "recall" and only replace ICCU's that are showing fault codes at the time of software upgrade.
The news media is supported by advertising which Hyundai does a lot of I'm sure that is the major factors of why there's no mention of the problems with the Hyundai cars
Reports of fire, theft, and engine failure don't count?
Actually yes, Hyundai could be considered a bribing machine. Disgusting company.
of course they count but if you're talking about advertising dollars the news media will always protect those who are paying them to run their ads and to be honest Hyundai and Kia run a lot of ads which keeps the reporting of their electrical car problems in the shadows@@justinr9753
Pointing out a problem is not being anti anything. It is a public service. This applies to all consumers' products EVs included. Being a fandoy helps no one make good decisions.
You can be sure if Rivian or Tesla had this problem it would be worldwide front page news. For some reason American EV carmakers are quick to receive negative press and other EV makers around the world are allowed to slag off. The chance that countries other than the US are quietly propping up their own EV carmakers and trying to cover up negative press is not zero.
I'm sure you don't know this because apparently you think nobody covers it, not they have had issues with fire, theft, and engine failures with their regular cars
Huyndai is sending standard range Ioniq 6 SEs straight from the boat to auto auctions.
I see the Kia EV6 and EV9 around the Boston area a good bit. Descent looking cars, but looks don't get you from point A to point B.
EV 6 styling 🤮
@@205rider8 love it.
I’ve read where even their cars with replaced ICCUs and software have developed the same problem, so it’s not clear they really have a permanent fix. Is this true?
Software update is only a bandaid fix. they need to rebuild the whole system including connections.
Sounds like the Hyundai/Kia that we've come to expect. They've had all these "Great" ICE/HYBRID products for years with bad engines, bad transmissions, electrical systems prone to fires, etc, etc that they drag their feet on addressing so why would one reasonably expect their EV's to be any better?
Its a roll of the dice and if you get a problematic ICE, HYBRID or EV from them too many people get the runaround from their dealers here. For them its "Fool me Once but your not going to Fool me Twice".
Best!
Im sad to hear it... We really liked our 1st gen Soul EV
It's not crazy if their sales are falling, when they put out faulty vehicles. In fact it's to be expected. What goes around comes around as they say.
Hi The Electric Viking, I'm thinking about buy a new EV in a couple years. I'm afraid to get a Hyundai or Kia because of the faulty ICCU? Which EV manufactures have trouble free ICCU battery drain issues? Thanks, Charlie
Great looks in one thing. Reliability is another
ST...this is a real recall... I do not want to be in the shoes of that guy who will pay for this...
They should be super reliable. This ideological drive to make evs super computers with operating systems and multi screen entertainment units is bonkers. Get the basics right first.
@@mongo64071 I bought the Ioniq 5 because it operated pretty much like a conventional ICE car. I did not want a giant screen like the Tesla or Mach E sitting out of my sight line.
Yeah. I think that this maybeis a problem on the old platform too. i.e Niro/Kona.
Are the CEOs at Kia and Hyundai aware that all the customers that have such issues with their cars could unite over the Internet, all deny repairs and demand their money back - which would result in an instant bankruptcy of these manufacturers?...
I think Hyundai & Kia drag their feet on these recalls simply because of the money factor. I own 2 Hyundai's a 2013 Sonata and an Elantra and they are stolen daily easily as a matter of fact mine was stolen in 2023 and returned but with costly repairs. Then I recently got a free update to the software on both cars all almost 10 years late and you know they knew about this years ago. Even my insurance company told me that they have a class action suit against Huyndia for this exact problem and I hope they win!
My cousin's got stolen and engine blew 3 miles down highway so I told get try to get in on 2 of the CAs
@@justinr9753 my engine blew 3 years ago luckily Hyundai had a recall and replaced it for free. 😁
Those Terminator cars
Got a kona ev and the 12v failed twice. The shop just shrugged their shoulders and sent me packing.
No need for fancy punishments from regulatory agencies. All that need be done is to publicize this faulty design and highlight the names of the models, brands & manufacturers involved. Their sales will go down in consequence, which will be the best result for all concerned. Ordinary market forces will do the work. Other brands will quake in their boots & improve their testing algorithms. Everybody wins! Or am I being naively optimistic?
Hyundai/Kia has spent billions of dollars a year for advertising...It even paid millions of dollars for 30-second ad in super bowl break...That's why media never put out any negative news about this company.
What are you taking about? I've seen so many negative reports. Fire, theft, engine failure, warranty issue
so in 2025 :
new LFP battery
new ICCU
new infotainment system
New charging connector (for North America )
will it be enough to drive the car from A to B ?
This is typical of Hyundai or Kia vehicles. The first one I had was a 2011 Sonata and I had recalls back to back and now my for my Soul EV I get a recall fixed and then it seems like next week in the mail. I have another recall letter.
Media only bashes Tesla ….
What the heck are your watching, I've seen so many reports on fire, engine failures, and theft
@@justinr9753 you just confirmed it!
Morning mate
Let me add to my comment. I already know it's not this car. That doesn't matter. The damage has been done most people wake up and go. Is it going to be there this morning or not? That's a reality. That's not bad luck and their service sucks Heard a lot of problems about that too
The last ev5 i saw was stranded on the side of the road.
I have not heard of EV5 ?
11.2 per thousand vs 1.6 are stolen in the United States all vehicles these two car companies. That's the numbers except it's higher in a large city, much higher I personally know people their car's been stolen more than three times and new fix does not work either how would you like to have a car where the insurance company drops you and nobody wants you. How do you sell that? Do you drive it with no insurance I never heard of an insurance company dropping cars and it's not a safety issue. What does that tell you? Just under 10 times more than the average for any people that don't know, the United States has a real problem with stolen cars, I know a lot of people will never buy a car from these companies these two
I almost put money down on an Hyundai EV but my further research directed me to a Model 3. Phew!
This is the same case for me. First, UA-camrs in U.S. having 12V problems, “out of spec reviews” Kyle’s father who baught an Ioniq 5 and then some others who also baught Hyundai and KIA EVs.Then some other big issues with battery replacement on the whole car value.
As a Ev owner you should get educated on products before you purchase them. I have a 2022 kia ev niro. It has been a excellent car and being that it is two years old with 24,000 miles I have had ZERO problems. Do your research on the car before you make you purchase!
I own an EV-6 and had the iccu and software update months ago. Never had even a single problem, it was only people who used the 250kw (235) fast charger frequently. I only charge at home because with a solid 260 miles range and 11kw charger with cheap electricity at home there has never been a need.
I charge mostly at home as well . I've had no issues.
In the United States today not last year not 5 years ago2024 these two car companies are 10 times More likely to be stolen that number is 11.2 per thousand your answer is not my car my answer it doesn't matter when you don't have a car to drive you don't buy the same brand again. Forget about it
Thanks for this and all your informative videos.
One request: please …. Clarify your pronunciation when you are discussing LFP batteries. It sounds like you are saying lithium “ion” when I think you are intending to say lithium “iRon”.
Can’t hear the “R” 🙃
Noted
I have a Hyundai i30 that has had a replacement ecu ... just because ... and now has a non functioning stereo system, no buttons work at all, its just a dash light
Yeah, I would totally buy an entirely electric hyundai
My cousin's Kia Soul got stolen but they only made it 3 miles down highway before engine blew.
The EV tech is still yet to mature into reliability of manufacture.... Except Tesla.
Their failure is to have everything in the touch screen. Not safe.
Plus price reductions caused high depreciation.
I still think battery tech is toooo young...
We learned on some factory tour videos of the Tesla factory that Tesla has their own internal part testing facility. This facility tests the parts for durability and longevity by actually running the parts under an accelerated aging until the parts fail. They then engineer the failed bits so they won't fail.
They have done this type of fail testing for many years now and have great trust in the durability of the parts they use in their cars.
Most OEMs get their parts from Tier 1 suppliers who themselves run durability tests but they are often simulations not actual real world. Hopefully these tires of problems will lead the Tier suppliers to also use real world aging and know how long the parts should last, not just estimates.
Another important message about woeful news for another EV manufacturer from the Tesla Promotional Network.
This message has to be the first of it's kind here.
I know that a lot of KonaE64 have been called back for a new battery.
All konaE64 2018 and big part of 2019...
May be not known world wide? I do not think so.
Also I had a kona at that time and indeed got that recall letter.
Similar things are happening on ford lightning
Makes Tesla look like # 1
Kia buys advertising .. of course mainstream media aren't going to point it out and risk pissing Kia off and their as budget.
So reporting fire, theft, and engine failures don't bother them
Wasn’t tesla, of course it was on the back burner.
But still no investigation on those Tesla heat pump failures?
Motor trend tv has yet to show anything from TESLA.
They will issue an OTA software update and replace the Integrated Charging Control Unit (ICCU) if necessary.
Since an over the air update is an over the air update if you got to go to the dealership.
😢they are a joke
And so, what’s your point? They still have to go Over To A (OTA) dealership to replace the physical unit . Smh. 🤦♂️
Like every car manufacturer hasn’t had to recall over the years for one thing or another.
Teslas have never faced a recall. They are the best cars ever!👍
@@byrnc927 I don't know if you are being sarcastic but Tesla just recalled 2.2 million cars, nearly everyone sold in the US.
@markadler8968
No, it's sarcasm. The EV stories covered here on this channel are always doom and gloom except for Tesla. The coverage of Toyota cars here has been relentless because they haven't committed to go all in on EVs. Toyota will be cleaning the clocks of every auto manufacturer who goes all in EV.
Until some magic battery is introduced, Toyota has the most realistic outlook for the future. I own two PHEVs. Have had them now 7 years. BEVs make great city cars, and that's where the benefit ends. I wouldn't trade my 7 year PHEV for any brand new EV on the market, not even if it was an even trade up.
@@byrnc927 I figured it was sarcasm 😄😄I completely agree on the Toyotas having the best outlook. I am buying a Tundra in the next year or so. Even Toyotas are currently having trouble selling all their inventory due to the economy/interest rates/inflation and it is only going to get worse for them so I think even better deals will be had down the road.
@markadler8968
My son just bought a new Camry. I have yet to get behind the wheel of the new Prius. Dealers selling them so fast there are no Demos.
That would be the only car I would replace our two Gen II Volts with.
We recently went to the Tesla Dealer to see the new Cybertruck.
Looks like a high school shop class assembled it.
Ev industry is still incredibly young there is bound to be growing pains, in ten years this type of tech will be common place, just look at battery tech!
Doesn’t mean the batteries will be cheap to replace. The rest of the car is a disposable item. Don’t forget to mine enough cobalt, lithium and other metals for the transport truck industry alone in the US for the next few years is over a billion of tonnes of earth, never mind how much water gets polluted in the mining of that material. It was an actual study that was released.
Something like every six years 300 million tonnes of earth need to be mined for cobalt just for a few truck batteries.
How is that good for the environment? More pollution, more destruction and damage and toxic waste.
@@kevinW826 I watched a vid that was covering an article that said if the entire commercial truck fleet in the US alone was electrified there would be about 6 years worth of resources on the entire planet to make these vehicles based on current estimates of global reserves. That figure did not include the materials required for the charging infrastructure or the materials needed for the personal vehicles being sold in the US. If the whole world needs EVs including commercial trucks we will have to strip mine the entire planet to produce them only to run out of these resources a few years down the road and go back to ICE engines.
LOOK....this Korean cars only get you in trouble if you buy! My uncle had a LG battery and only troubles... recall etc BYD and TEsla had none of this s*it
my son’s Hyundai Elantra and my Sonata have been nothing but trouble, engine failures, transmission issues and electrical challenges
Kias and Hyundais fall apart above 150k miles. Caveat Emptor
Hyundai/KIA/Genesis failed with their ICE cars so why would EVs be any different? LMFAO SMH
EVs are the future. They're already cheaper to run and have better acceleration, but range is definitely a problem and initial cost is too high. EV batteries are getting better at an amazing rate - energy density and so range will soon no longer be a problem.in addition the cost of batteries is falling rapidly - being only 25% of the price 2 years ago. In summary electric cars will soon not only be cheaper to run and have better acceleration - soon they will be cheaper and will have a better range than ICE cars
Battery will be replaced by a better energy storage solution.
Where are Tesla haters now?
A reason why Tesla gets nailed for simple problems in Public, while other companies with bigger problems are not is due to Tesla not having a Marketing Department, while the other companies do have one. It is the Marketing department who is in charge to handle this problems for the company. Tesla doesn't have a Marketing Department coz Elon Musk doesn't want it, considering it a waste of money. That's why. It is not a matter of government conspiracy, although other companies could exploit that.
It is fascinating that it appears the South Koreans are so belligerently stubborn to acknowledge and then rectify problems with their products. In the US, LG has had enormous problems with their shitty fridges, many people who have expertise in this point to the fact of a faulty designed compressor. Whilst LG has been replacing the failed compressors on their fridges, they just replace them with the same shitty compressor that then fails again in a short period of time. Here is another South Korean product, Kia and Hyundai vehicles that have a component that appears to be grossly unreliable, and they also have been in a state of denial and resistance to resolve the problem. Who says that these replacement ICC units will not be the same faulty design of the originals. I hope here in the US that there is a large and very costly class action lawsuit against both LG and the South Korean electric vehicle makers to help put them on the straight and narrow!
Wow Hyundai
i don't think any car brand will get the publicity of tesla. Lets be real here, Elon Musk and his antics the only reason why people give him the time of day for his comapines. its a blessing and curse.. more so a curse now a days.
Like the whole thing with the Toyota Prius and the stuck accelerator pedal for the 2004-2009 models. this is going to be a blip on the radar for most. It has to be as bad as the ford's 1990 firestone tire explosions to be a real main stream news article.
then we know Kia and hyundai again, then they start failing miserably
Killed In Action?? Rest in peace.
Tesla: safest EV on the road; “IM GETTING A KOREAN EV”
It is just insane the third largest car manufacturer in the world cannot supply an EV that works…by the million,,,and cannot make necessary recalls on time . Quality control or uncontrolled garbage ? And if it would be the only problem ! Are for instance all Asian mfr over with the Tanaka scandal and bankruptcy on 2019 or they took the same set type and continued? Seeing the number of airbag warning lights « ON » on the dashboard of newer cars in VN, it does not seems the famous faulty impact sensor likes bad roads but since it does not stop the car but kills the occupants, no one care! Now for the planet savers…the top news is…..the 2024 greenest car per the ACEEE extensive and unquestionable neutral study is not even an BEV, but a PHEV and NO Tesla models,are listed in the ten greenest recommended cars : inefficiency and fast depreciation of heavy lithium wagons at its best…the wind is turning rapidly …😂😂😂
ive had a toyaota yaris for many many ears i loved the car even thou it had 6or7 recalls to be fixed , this happens to all carmanufactures i currently have a ioniq5 and i love the car acxtually the best driving car i ever owned period and ive had a dead ecu that had to be replaced for me to use my 11kkw homecharger does that make it a bad car? i dont think so.
@@PietKargaard Hyundai Kia recall a million EV on failure to recharge the 12V battery,,the large quantity is indicating that they did not reacted fast enough..
Honestly that company is hopeless. Even the simplest thing, managing and preventing 12V battery discharge and not using a coolant that crystallises around the battery is beyond this useless organisations ability and now this latest mess! I for one would not go anywhere near a Hyundai or Kia EVER again.
It seems when you have to replace the batteries of Kia and Hyuanday, the cost of the batteries are higher than new car price.
It is not advisable to purchase a Korean automobile. The electric vehicles manufactured by this brand are not engineered with the intention of battery replacement. Consequently, the vehicle can only be utilized until its battery's lifespan expires in a decade. The cost of battery replacement is equivalent to that of acquiring a new car due to the exclusive battery replacement procedure. I possess firsthand knowledge of this matter as I am employed within the electric vehicle sector, and it is widely acknowledged that owning a Korean vehicle results in diminished value. This situation can be likened to acquiring an iPad without the ability to replace its batteries.
Tesla bashing has been getting full steam for the last 6 months...
Their stock price is totally destroyed...
That's not why stock is down, that only worked the first time and only for a minute. They are down because fundamentals. That's the thing with overvalued growth stocks, think about it like this, if you purchased the whole company by buying all the shares at today's price, at today's money it would take 40 years to make money back without growth. For reference, Toyota or Ford it would take 10
geez - would hate to see how much you would have slagged off Ford if this had happened to the Mach E ( similar thing happened but this seems worse). I think their designs are pretty ugly - especially the hot hatch looking one. It really baffles me how so many people say they look good.
This is My last comment here
Forgive me if I ever offended. I've gossiped and hated Elon for along time. And said.cruel.things at times. .Im sorry and I'm leaving for it. Being homeless I've had.great.bitterness towards the Rich and im sorry. Wish you all the best
But I thought EVs had less moving parts, so nothing could go wrong with them.
Total bulls--t.
All the parts don't move !
Take your money and run from Hyundai and Kia. overpriced rubbish
like the overpriced ford crap
Facts. !!!!!
Get a Tesla or Volvo or Polestar.
Only EVs anyone can trust !!!
Isn’t Volvo and polestar made in china? 😂
I have a Kona and It has been nothing but a great car.
@@andreasl4507 yeah like the ex30 rubbish
Once again we see the problems with ev
Sam you will see a lot more of those , and i hope you are electronic about +40 years old.
Just because than you also noticed the quality drop in many electronic components, where 20y ago they where build to last a lifetime now if they go for 5 years you are in luck, and of course you had those condensators that burned out after 5 years but that was like 10% .
If you buy a laptop (just example ) now you almost burn a charger every 2y if you're lucky !
When it's 5y old it's way overtime to buy a new one even when old is still good enouf to do it's task.
Made to work ...h and than break down! and the weakest link in the chain determines it's strength!
But sadly i think you are not otherwise you wouldn't have posted that video you did on batteries of an ev that will def. last for 10 years with only 10% drop in capacity ! Because outside cooling will help but it will still heat up on the inside what can't be avoided since it thermisch reaction that provides energy.
And talking about the industry they will use it more likely to increase the output and reduce size than for longlivety.
It will help , maybe double it's lifespan from 4y with loss of 40% to 8y with loss of 40% of wich 6 below 15% but more would be dreaming .
Nice example are led lighting , they should be able to burn for your entire life , but how many do you need to change after 3 years?
Where it's the transformator or condensator ,... that breaks down or even led itself, where i can easy build a led that will not have those problems if i use the correct components like just bit more watt that they can withstand or just 1-10 more omh resistor.
Build to fail so you keep buying!
When an ice company doesn’t make a very good ice car you probably shouldn’t buy their first generation EV!
Haha, EVs are hilarious!
EVs remain an experiment. I agree we need them, however the standards are too low.
They are failing universally right across the board. It just took a few years to come to the realization now that there are more of them on the road and have been in production for more than a few years. I think if anything hybrids are the way to go if you must have a battery in the vehicle.
Depends on the hybrid (HEV) technology, as apparently based on reports from this channel, many HEVs have a worse fire safety record than straight EVs. That said HEVs are a more mature technology, so really they have no excuses. All that said, EVs need to be made more reliable to avoid self sabotaging their future, by giving EVs a bad reputation. I would say they are getting new EV models out the door too quickly and not performing adequate testing, as it makes zero financial sense to put out faulty vehicles, knowing the risk and costs of recall.
@@JoeyBlogs007 I agree I think a good example of that would be the Ford Lightning. I have no interest in purchasing an EV or a HEV anytime in the near future and will be buying up ICE vehicles just prior to the ban here in Canada as I think they will go up in value after EVs are the only option for a new vehicle.
Hyundai and KIA struggle with EVs for some reason.
Struggle??? Hyundai Kona EV is sold a lot. Same with the KIA Niro.
Over the air updated, maybe? Oh 🙊🙊🙊 they can’t do it. Tesla is truly the best.
Thanks for letting everyone know why to never buy a ev. All of them just crap!
But I thought EVs had fewer parts and therefore wouldn't be riddled with defects.
You tried to think, you didn't think.
ICE cars have recalls and trouble x10
The EV Scam is not looking too good is it!!!
Oh yes, it does!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! All car companies f....k up every now and then !!!!!!!!!! And Hyundai and Kia are no exceptions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
what scam? ohh you're one of the flatearthers excuse me ill just move along and enjoy my EV.
lol Sam true about media
Another nail in the EV coffin
Hahahaha. Very silly
Yes , they are failing in slow motion , but some people still can't see it.
Sure… Muppet!
I have heard of this with happening with ICE cars since they switched to computers (ICU), instead of carburettors. In fact, as I recall there was a big uproar as one manufacturer calculated that it would be cheaper to deal with the individual litigations from incidences rather than a recall. So, no, this is not just limited to EVs.
Korean EV coffin
You are right. I'm very happy with my horse carriage, and this car thing is a total scam and temporary fashion.
Tesla is the future get used to it
it seems only the chinese can make reliable EV batteries...and ofcourse being the cheapest i guess...EV manufacturers as a result will have to work with the chinese!!
This might be the lowest iQ comment I've read today
As China already make 75% of the worlds batteries there aren’t many options.
Other 25% are made by Tesla.
Hyundai and Kia are absolute garbage. Run!
You mean: chinese crap cars > RUN!
Sam.... it's pronounced YEAR...Not YEARah...You're Welcome...
Getting tired of the "If this had been a Tesla" bollocks.