For the people saying he needs a damage buff, he doesn't need it. He already has a lot of resources plus you can still get damage with certain kameos like Sonya, Sareena, Cyrax, etc. All he needs damage-wise is slightly better damage when it comes to his deadly vapors moves.
reason more subs dont do the mid air ice klone cause if its blocked and your opponent has any counter move with a far enough reach ure getting full combo punished
noob is cool but i always see new small optimizations with your reptile ive never seen before. never drop reptile bro, it's a pleasure to watch you cook with him
U could do the jump on top and freeze clone thing lol he can do cooler combos now but I don’t feel he is really better honestly. His damage is still bad. They also made his clone cool down longer and can’t do the one clone freeze in corner. So better in one or way and worse and nerfed in others lol 😂 so idk I have done some cool looking combos but double the work for Low damage when most the cast does way more damage for half the work lol idk maybe I need to use it more with this patch. I don’t want him to be broken brittle make damage would be great. Maybe little faster ice ball. Not saying really fast. Nice match tho always enjoy ur gameplay
You don't have to do 50% damage combos every time. If it's easier to open someone up 4 times with 30% combos rather than desperately try to open someone up and get a 50% combo. I'd say that's pretty balanced.
The standard ice clone has been nerfed on its range and it's actually gotten rid of some if his best corner combos. I did a video on the shadow nerfs, it's grim.
That safe jump into hit clone is good, I been doing it for a while but doesn't work with high level after a while. It can break armor too, but delay wake up will mess it up
@@Gamerintriguingupdates.007 Just practice for the timing. Also, midscreen you'll only be using it when you don't have kameo or meter since it scales the combo, and in the corner it's pretty easy to connect. So, overall, you'll likely get it fairly fast.
@@The_inconspicuous_sphinx Midscreen it works off of F12, 3, and 4, since 12 and 21 pushback too far and B3 into vapors doesn't combo. After F12 or 3~vapors, use 21~slide like in the video. After 4~vapors, use 4~slide for max damage. In the corner, it also works off of 12 and 21. Maybe I should just make a video about this while I'm making the others...
They actually nerfed him again. Ice clone doesnt reach opponent when standing in the corner. Slide is changed, now to use it with spear you must hold 3 otherwise when you tap it slide makes opponent fly over it to the other side which causes trouble in the corner. They only changed triple ice clone which is actually useless cause it has slightly bigger damage than one ice clone in the same combo. Nice job nrs
Ice clone was never good when you put yourself in the corner and holding 3 when you slide isnt hard, sure its gonna take some time to get used to but its not hard. Technically he has 4 slides now, one that does more damage and one that switches sides and if you want armor just enhance it and you get the one you need.
They keep making subs buffs useless tbh. They need to do ice ball into combos that way we can get multiple routes like ermac does(he has multiple launchers even though he doesn’t necessarily need them but for combo creativity route)
There wasn’t a buff here. Didn’t use any other “buffs” besides that slide which is also still the same speed as before. He just used a really complicated combo using tremor to meat shield and that mix up ball low while sub does an overhead is fake btw it’s not real but it’s just super random and very hard to time
this doesnt change how good he is its literally just encetivising u to waste bar which sub already does in every combo for 32 percent to problem with him is theres literally no purpose for iceball and he has no meterless launcher so he need bar or a cameo
@ well I don’t play sub maybe it’s b2 or I don’t know. It’s a meterless launcher that also works as mix. Also no launcher works against any good players all the time so stop crying and get good
@DaddyShaoKahn no one thats good is falling for the back 2 more than once bro its 18 frames if u cant react to that i think ur the one the needs to "get gud"
@@jacrispybbq never said anything about me. And again that is already a launcher with no meter. No one has a safe meterless launcher anyway. Havik can’t throw out his launcher and expect to hit all the time. Reptile and Cyrax can’t overhead launch either and confirm it raw. Stop crying about sub being “low tier” you’re just playing him wrong. I’ve seen plenty who are great sub players and do scary stuff.
They are trying to keep him from being the best one in the game.......If ice ball is buffed any type of way then he becomes a major problem......The best one in the game
lmaooo these aren’t buff’s. they simply added different combo routes which are much harder to perform & provide no additional damage than he dealt before. the klone lasting a bit longer is the only real buff. forward 1 2 into klone in the corner no longer freezes which is a major nerf
You weren't fighting a buffed Sub!! What buff did you see in this fight? He got nerfed! You just faced a really good player that's all that happened. Stop spreading misinformation you ain't funny anymore
He is. They just need to let him combo into ice and give him a slight damage buff. He shouldn't be the only character in the game that has to rely on cameos and meter to extend combos.
@@Slade41314 His only ways are freezing are with his shitty 30+ fram ice ball that's also a high, and can't be combo'd into. His ice klone requires good prediction in neutral, so he should be rewarded more than he currently is from successfully predicting his opponents moves (or even comboing into it)
@@Spark25293fighting games are all about good judgement, if you can’t freeze someone with the ice clone or at least use it to protect yourself then it might be your fault, not Sub-zero’s.
Clickbait title. If he was strong now, we would see sonic fox make a video on it. Which has yet to happen. They took so Forward 1,2 into clone onto the corner to just get clones improved. Meanwhile other characters just get buffs without taking away things. It is improved yes? Does it answer any of his issues still current issues? No.
He just got more combos. The character's still shit, his projectile still useless. Just give him a proper projectile, it doesn't even need to freeze, how hard is that?
Greaaat set you learned his play style and things he would do repeatedly and punished them perfectly felt like a tourney set he was lowkey playing hella cheap why he got smacked up 😂
youre dumb as hell he got no buffs. just different combo route which are more flashy. no more damage than before & this change has made it so that F12 klone in the corner no longer combo’s. this is a major nerf
Aint ni buff hes still buns once they idk speed up our fucking overhead,faster mid mor damage then will at least be on par with the rest of the nonsense in this shitty game but no ghostface 13frame mid,fast overhead garbage
They keep buffing ice clone when we actually want a ice ball and damage buff
No I just wanted clone buffs pretty much. I think his damage is fine. Could do a little more but isn’t a big issue.
They should just make vapors function like the meter version when meterless so he has something like ice ball at least
He doesn't need a damage buff. He's got top many resources as is. Nice try tho lol
@@PewPewShootEmUpagreed
Thats really how nrs buffs and nerfs things,they only do it in their own way
honestly nice seeing Tremor being used as an entire kameo and not just an earthshaker machine.
@@gummyboots that was a great tremor!
Sindel Mains pretty much
@@jeanluxtv7410reikos do it way more
This was really fun to watch. The combos were glorious. This game is getting better and better with every update.
Nice video HoneyBee
For the people saying he needs a damage buff, he doesn't need it. He already has a lot of resources plus you can still get damage with certain kameos like Sonya, Sareena, Cyrax, etc. All he needs damage-wise is slightly better damage when it comes to his deadly vapors moves.
doesnt scaling really affect combos when using deadly vapors? thought i seen that
@shark_plissken it does which is why I mentioned he needs better damage off it
Exactly the same, otherwise he ...
He has the lowest damage in the game
@Nosmile15 which isn't true and doesn't prove that he can't get damage with the kameos I listed either
That was Sub Zero was very strong indeed.
Hell yeah, you're playing one of the Tremor main homies. His Sub/Trem is crazy
Dude... your reptile is on another level! Good stuff!! 👍
reason more subs dont do the mid air ice klone cause if its blocked and your opponent has any counter move with a far enough reach ure getting full combo punished
I don't think I saw him do anything with the new buffs. Felt like watching the old sub zero
noob is cool but i always see new small optimizations with your reptile ive never seen before. never drop reptile bro, it's a pleasure to watch you cook with him
Fun matches as always, and yeah, the Sub buffs are really nice. Though, it sounds like some people here need to spend longer in the lab with them...
U could do the jump on top and freeze clone thing lol he can do cooler combos now but I don’t feel he is really better honestly. His damage is still bad. They also made his clone cool down longer and can’t do the one clone freeze in corner. So better in one or way and worse and nerfed in others lol 😂 so idk I have done some cool looking combos but double the work for Low damage when most the cast does way more damage for half the work lol idk maybe I need to use it more with this patch. I don’t want him to be broken brittle make damage would be great. Maybe little faster ice ball. Not saying really fast. Nice match tho always enjoy ur gameplay
Yea Watch the freeze clone
You don't have to do 50% damage combos every time. If it's easier to open someone up 4 times with 30% combos rather than desperately try to open someone up and get a 50% combo. I'd say that's pretty balanced.
@ yeah ur right i cant really do tht high anyway in a match lol
Love the Raiden themed skin when reptile is in lizard form. We really should be able to pick this.
The standard ice clone has been nerfed on its range and it's actually gotten rid of some if his best corner combos. I did a video on the shadow nerfs, it's grim.
This was a blast to watch.
Buff or nerf? Because old patch sub that would've connected. 4:19
Lmao 1:52 😭😭 this sub was different. 👁️👁️
That safe jump into hit clone is good, I been doing it for a while but doesn't work with high level after a while. It can break armor too, but delay wake up will mess it up
W Gameplay Honeybee!
Sub zero is my fav looking at character, his combos are so kool, I love being killed by him online.
MK1 is in the best position ever!!! Man this games are so fun to watch JUST BEAUTUFUL!!
Fun to watch, but not to play
@@ВладиславБулаев-л3э w comment
That sub was really good with the ice clones. Is tremor a good kameo for sub? I think sik said hes useless for sub a while back
Do what you want bro. We don’t even play on high level anyways
With tremor he had a true unblockable set up with the ground quake overhead 😊
We need a skikander vs Honeybee FT10
Oh that reptile's mask looks cool! How to get it? I tried to find info but i got nothing, i dont even know its name.
Skander reading the tittle 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
Wait deadly vapours can now combo without meter? 7:09
Yup, that was a change in the previous patch.
@@oldmanfgchow can one do that perfectly just like in the video?
@@oldmanfgc damn that's crazy. And it works off all the strings or just a few? What does enhanced deadly vapours do now then?
@@Gamerintriguingupdates.007 Just practice for the timing. Also, midscreen you'll only be using it when you don't have kameo or meter since it scales the combo, and in the corner it's pretty easy to connect. So, overall, you'll likely get it fairly fast.
@@The_inconspicuous_sphinx Midscreen it works off of F12, 3, and 4, since 12 and 21 pushback too far and B3 into vapors doesn't combo. After F12 or 3~vapors, use 21~slide like in the video. After 4~vapors, use 4~slide for max damage. In the corner, it also works off of 12 and 21. Maybe I should just make a video about this while I'm making the others...
And still you can't call Sonya's divekick after Reptile's 114
I saw more ice clones in this video than I've seen all year 😅
They actually nerfed him again. Ice clone doesnt reach opponent when standing in the corner. Slide is changed, now to use it with spear you must hold 3 otherwise when you tap it slide makes opponent fly over it to the other side which causes trouble in the corner. They only changed triple ice clone which is actually useless cause it has slightly bigger damage than one ice clone in the same combo. Nice job nrs
Ice clone was never good when you put yourself in the corner and holding 3 when you slide isnt hard, sure its gonna take some time to get used to but its not hard. Technically he has 4 slides now, one that does more damage and one that switches sides and if you want armor just enhance it and you get the one you need.
That was literally a tremor carry
I can't believe they buffed Noob overhead😮 NRS
They keep making subs buffs useless tbh. They need to do ice ball into combos that way we can get multiple routes like ermac does(he has multiple launchers even though he doesn’t necessarily need them but for combo creativity route)
finally hes been buffen, he has been nerfed for way too long
I really wouldn’t say buffed. It doesn’t do that much to the character honestly
There is no buff here
There wasn’t a buff here. Didn’t use any other “buffs” besides that slide which is also still the same speed as before. He just used a really complicated combo using tremor to meat shield and that mix up ball low while sub does an overhead is fake btw it’s not real but it’s just super random and very hard to time
This “buff” also nerfed him. It’s more of a change. Guess they didn’t like how some subs played the character
@@Somedudee yeah when the opponent is in the air. Now his F1,2 into ice klone won’t freeze them while they’re in the air anymore. So that’s a nerf
Its sad they made the ice ball slow
LONG TIME NO SEE HONEYBEE! I missed your videos man how are ya? How is the child stuff holdin' up? Any tips & tricks for young me in the future? XD
Heyyy thats meeee
Sikander really got some new cool combos though. Sub is definitely on a diff level in the right hands
cant wait for another beef fight sik vs HB
i swear mavado is literally a TOD character..😭
Sub getting some Lub
Tremor good kemo with sub
Shut up he ain't buff , only visual combo changes.
Infact nerfed his clone
And f21 connecting to id
Waaaaaa waaaaaa waaaaaaa cry. My god. Sub players have to be the softest mfs
lmao where’d u get ur hat?? the hat store???
Sikander says that he still trash LMAO
this doesnt change how good he is its literally just encetivising u to waste bar which sub already does in every combo for 32 percent to problem with him is theres literally no purpose for iceball and he has no meterless launcher so he need bar or a cameo
Lmfao he does have a materless launcher bro. It’s called b22
@DaddyShaoKahn there is no back 22 and nope its useless against anyone good
@ well I don’t play sub maybe it’s b2 or I don’t know. It’s a meterless launcher that also works as mix. Also no launcher works against any good players all the time so stop crying and get good
@DaddyShaoKahn no one thats good is falling for the back 2 more than once bro its 18 frames if u cant react to that i think ur the one the needs to "get gud"
@@jacrispybbq never said anything about me. And again that is already a launcher with no meter. No one has a safe meterless launcher anyway. Havik can’t throw out his launcher and expect to hit all the time. Reptile and Cyrax can’t overhead launch either and confirm it raw. Stop crying about sub being “low tier” you’re just playing him wrong. I’ve seen plenty who are great sub players and do scary stuff.
Busy bee!!!
They are trying to keep him from being the best one in the game.......If ice ball is buffed any type of way then he becomes a major problem......The best one in the game
lmaooo these aren’t buff’s. they simply added different combo routes which are much harder to perform & provide no additional damage than he dealt before. the klone lasting a bit longer is the only real buff. forward 1 2 into klone in the corner no longer freezes which is a major nerf
subzero is still bad in this game, nobody using him on tournaments still
Good now git rid of that fuckin hammer…what ninja used a hammer
He's weaker now. I didn't see one of the so called "buffs" in this video, actually I saw his clone nerf in the corner LOL 😂
You weren't fighting a buffed Sub!! What buff did you see in this fight? He got nerfed!
You just faced a really good player that's all that happened.
Stop spreading misinformation you ain't funny anymore
Naw Bee these sub buffs are weak. Reptiles buffs were better than everything that sub got
Sup bee
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Sub Still Ass Tho LOL
He is. They just need to let him combo into ice and give him a slight damage buff. He shouldn't be the only character in the game that has to rely on cameos and meter to extend combos.
I agree
@@jaxfan i Think It's Cause He Can Freeze You That He Gets Shitty Damage You Get A Free Combo Off Being Frozen
@@Slade41314 His only ways are freezing are with his shitty 30+ fram ice ball that's also a high, and can't be combo'd into. His ice klone requires good prediction in neutral, so he should be rewarded more than he currently is from successfully predicting his opponents moves (or even comboing into it)
@@Spark25293fighting games are all about good judgement, if you can’t freeze someone with the ice clone or at least use it to protect yourself then it might be your fault, not Sub-zero’s.
Clickbait title. If he was strong now, we would see sonic fox make a video on it. Which has yet to happen. They took so Forward 1,2 into clone onto the corner to just get clones improved. Meanwhile other characters just get buffs without taking away things. It is improved yes? Does it answer any of his issues still current issues? No.
Sub is such a ft2 gimmick. Weak buffs/nerfs. No good reason for his F1 to be 12frs
The people who work at nrs must be stupid we want damage buff and make ice ball fast not adding more moves 🤦
Give us new moves not adjusting old moves..
He just got more combos. The character's still shit, his projectile still useless. Just give him a proper projectile, it doesn't even need to freeze, how hard is that?
Greaaat set you learned his play style and things he would do repeatedly and punished them perfectly felt like a tourney set he was lowkey playing hella cheap why he got smacked up 😂
Why do they keep buffing this character holy shit. Downplayed and broken.
youre dumb as hell he got no buffs. just different combo route which are more flashy. no more damage than before & this change has made it so that F12 klone in the corner no longer combo’s. this is a major nerf
Subzero is too broken now
SZ players proved if you whine enough you get what you want.. yet they are still whining
Let's not pretend like the sub buffs are meaningful
Aint ni buff hes still buns once they idk speed up our fucking overhead,faster mid mor damage then will at least be on par with the rest of the nonsense in this shitty game but no ghostface 13frame mid,fast overhead garbage