Looks like SADC is protecting Kisekedi more than the DRC people. This is where the mission is going wrong. Kisekedi has a deep hate for Rwanda and he has influenced SADC members to view Rwanda as the enemy. There is no objective assessment of the issue at hand
SADC are actually in dying to protect Congolese people, they care about humanity, can’t say the same Rwandans, a people who slaughtered each other over power and control
SADEC has an aliance with DRC not rebels. Congo is a soveriegn state and Rwanda is threatening that by influening its people in DRC to rebel against the government. Anyway poor governance is a secondary issue as well and mining rights should benefit the people of that land at the end.
Tshisekedi used to shake hands with Kagame when he first got in power. They looked like they were friends...Maybe Tshisekedi finally found out that Kagame is a war monger😂
@@don256ful That hurts you badly to see a genuine Congolese to stand up for his country. No bs negotiations. Band of looters with a fake economic growth.
How is the SADC summit going to deal with the issue of the FDLR rebels living in the Goma region, working with the Congolese army? The FDLR rebels regularly go into Rwanda to attack. They were the perpetrators of the 1994 Rwanda genocide.
since you guys have been talking about fdlr in drc,we never saw anywhere that Rwanda were attacked by this people so the only solution they are your rwandans brothers you can negotiate with them
Those who are presenting the issue of FDLR are out of order. The reality is well know and document. Rwanda is in the DRC for minerals. All these others reasons are only alibi
Am an adult Rwandan sane citizen. Am telling you (SADC) that as long as you’re allies to FARDC fighting alongside FDLR and Burundi Hutu genocidal forces, you’ll always be enemies of Rwanda. Don’t blame us if next time we see you as an enemy force.
Before you open your foul mouth and spew such venom, remember there are hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Nationals living in several countries across Africa and globally. Secondly, do not forget you are a landlocked country which badly needs neighbours for international communication.
@ThamiNdlalane Don't be naive, this guys in the M23 are Rwandan Soldiers. This is a land grab by Rwanda for the rich resources of Congo. I blame Mbeki for being a weak pacifist, this should have dealt with a long time ago.
Kagame recruited some congolese and some rwandans to form m23 so he can start looting drc minerals,if m23 are only congolese why did kagame send his soldiers in drc??? a very simple conflict to understand.
DRC is fighting the western countries: it’s a big plan and not just Against Ruanda as proxy. Ruanda army is similar to Sahel jihadists to maintain European presence in Africa and direct control. Without Ruanda European influence in Africa would be minimum. So European is fighting for their survival!!! Using the highest technologies to maintain their presence and influence. Through Tutsi, European has big chance to stay in Africa for while.
You guys need to stop all the lies about SADC mission in DRC. You are not there as a peace keeping force but fithing/offensive forces and when you engage in a fight you better assume the responsibility that come out of the fight.Atleast M23 are DRC citizen even if they are accused of fighting for minerals and so is the SADC&Burundi forces
M23 rebels aren't Congolese...If SADC Peace-keeping mission was on the offensive, M23 rebels wouldn't have taken Goma, they could have been defeated and driven back to Rwanda like the SADC offensive mission a decade ago ago
Rwanda presents a real,... real,... real threat to your plundering business - you are all panicking as this is a serious threat to your bottom line. Africans doing business with each other is cause for an emergency security meeting to discuss immediate sanctions.
The violence is not escalating! M23 has defeated the genocidal coalition and peace is returning to our home. Soon the SANDF will be paraded on their walk of shame like their partners in crime, the European Merceneries, we all so them paraded following their defeat. Ramaphosa's greed has brought shame to Madela's people, my condolences to the families who lost loved ones, when you imagine what SANDF working with FDLR means, ANC will be shamed.
Why the so said International Community and the pope are ingry because M23 decided to to take over Goma after occupaying and administrating the whole province of now peacifyed North-Kivu??? BTW, Goma is now also safer than before and the refugies retourne at home and at work...
In fact some people ignore that kinyarwanda is spoken by more than 40 millions people. A half of them is in Congo or around. Many of them are well educated and concerned by those issues. RDF don't need to send soldiers in Congo when they are available and free to fight in Congo
if someone kill your family would you seek peace? Rwanda knows where South African troops bases are they attacked them on purpose, the whole world watching this if South Africa don’t respond with force they shouldn’t speak 🗣️ about anything anymore lol they care more for Palestinians than their own people 😂😂😂
I have questions, if sadc and east Africa there aren't see the roots cause in the same way and find solution and east africa will support M23 because east africa nows well why M23 fighting, and sadc are fight behalf of felix k. So this war will end by destroying congo and the region.
There was a recent peace initiative for eastern DRC from the Roman Catholic Church and ECC. How does that break down into Faith in Action Christian peace conduct on the ground? But the churches and Christians seem VERY passive. Are everybody (world leaders, AU, SADC, NEPAD, MANI, church leaders and 96% Christians in (Africa and) DRC) too busy on their conflict mineral smart phones?
What main reasons M23 are giving and why can't we lessen to them, 11:42 when we have seen Israeli talking to Harmas or the other way. DO Africa need this war really Tshikedi take responsibility and take your people from Camps outside and within congo.
What about the security of Rwanda?? Why is SA fighting innocent Citizens fighting for their survival and rights?? Why is SADAC supporting genociders possed to overthrow Rwanda ??
If that were true, then countries like Qatar would not have bothered signing an agreement for coltan. They should have signed it with us. WAKE UP! Your government is kleptomaniacal by nature.
So Rwanda bullying Congo and now they’re scared South Africa president president in front of the whole world even after intentionally killing their soldiers 😂😂😂 South Africa is a joke the so called superpower of Africa lol kagame dared South Africa to do anything for killing their soldiers
If South Africa is a joke, why is your president frothing at the corners of the mouth when he was warned? I mean, he told you when DRC president, Tshisekedi issued a warning of launching a war that you need to sleep peacefully, because nothing would happen to you. Why he's not telling you that now, given that he has been warned by a joke of a country?
@@sandriacelestin9580 SANDF has never engaged in a battle and lost more that they have killed we know Isreal is your backers and you won't kill anymore of our troops there that is guaranteed
South Africa is on a Peace Keeping mission not a war. DRC is a soverign state that needs to gevern fairly , However Rwanda must mind its own affairs, why is he the spokes person of M23 of Congo?.
Thisekedi Cirombo wants to use DRC resources to pay mercenaries and he thinks with his money he can ignore the other group of Congolese ( M23) originally from Masisi Bukavu ...
On my view I don,t think SADc can reach on solution arone it should when east Africa and their come together and look for solution because if each block looks for solution it brings some thing like unt block
SADC arone may not come to solution DRC,s problem since they ignore east Africa who know the problem very well.the lasting solution will get from both block it is better when their homonise both angolo and Nairobi peace yolks and their have to m23 and address their problem as well as Rwanda,s problem of FDR who carried jonicide and they want to come bk to continue it.east Africa are affected by DRc,s than SADC
Looks like SADC is protecting Kisekedi more than the DRC people. This is where the mission is going wrong. Kisekedi has a deep hate for Rwanda and he has influenced SADC members to view Rwanda as the enemy. There is no objective assessment of the issue at hand
SADC are actually in dying to protect Congolese people, they care about humanity, can’t say the same Rwandans, a people who slaughtered each other over power and control
SADEC has an aliance with DRC not rebels. Congo is a soveriegn state and Rwanda is threatening that by influening its people in DRC to rebel against the government. Anyway poor governance is a secondary issue as well and mining rights should benefit the people of that land at the end.
Ofcourse
Tshisekedi used to shake hands with Kagame when he first got in power. They looked like they were friends...Maybe Tshisekedi finally found out that Kagame is a war monger😂
@@don256ful That hurts you badly to see a genuine Congolese to stand up for his country. No bs negotiations. Band of looters with a fake economic growth.
How is the SADC summit going to deal with the issue of the FDLR rebels living in the Goma region, working with the Congolese army? The FDLR rebels regularly go into Rwanda to attack. They were the perpetrators of the 1994 Rwanda genocide.
since you guys have been talking about fdlr in drc,we never saw anywhere that Rwanda were attacked by this people so the only solution they are your rwandans brothers you can negotiate with them
Those who are presenting the issue of FDLR are out of order. The reality is well know and document. Rwanda is in the DRC for minerals. All these others reasons are only alibi
Am an adult Rwandan sane citizen. Am telling you (SADC) that as long as you’re allies to FARDC fighting alongside FDLR and Burundi Hutu genocidal forces, you’ll always be enemies of Rwanda. Don’t blame us if next time we see you as an enemy force.
You need some reshaping in your thinking about other people, respect other peoples lives. War creates hate for generations, learn to live with others.
Typical lying Pinocchio nation.😂
You failed when you tried to take kinshasa zimbabwe was hitting left and right
Before you open your foul mouth and spew such venom, remember there are hundreds of thousands of Rwandan Nationals living in several countries across Africa and globally. Secondly, do not forget you are a landlocked country which badly needs neighbours for international communication.
Can we talk about the conditions of HUTU people in Rwanda? They are citizens of Rwanda, aren't they?
Excellent interview. Many issues for SADC to resolve internally before dealing with Rwanda.
Congo is a member state
@@kabzaify that does not imply SANDC has to fight their internal wars. M23 are Congolese fighting their own government.
@ThamiNdlalane Don't be naive, this guys in the M23 are Rwandan Soldiers. This is a land grab by Rwanda for the rich resources of Congo. I blame Mbeki for being a weak pacifist, this should have dealt with a long time ago.
Rwanda is the problem. Kagame is medling in the matters of DRC and trying to steal back the land in the process via his people in DRC.
@ThamiNdlalane M23 rebels are Rwandese not Congolese...SADC troops have been in the region in the past where M23 rebels were actually defeated.
This is the most interesting analysis I have had so far
Indeed sadc has fought along with fdlr genocidaires
U have no brain just like your kasongo president...
Y’all are a joke, the M23 is the genocidaire, the FDLR doesn’t exist, it’s a Rwandan scapegoat for their proxy war in Congo
On whoes soil? Why did Rwanda enter the chat? Why is Rwanda in the business of another Soveign state DRC?
Kagame recruited some congolese and some rwandans to form m23 so he can start looting drc minerals,if m23 are only congolese why did kagame send his soldiers in drc??? a very simple conflict to understand.
m23 are rwandese who were included in Congo when it became Zaire.
It seems like Kagame is perpeting the situation in DRC
and why
Exellent analysis!
DRC is fighting the western countries: it’s a big plan and not just Against Ruanda as proxy. Ruanda army is similar to Sahel jihadists to maintain European presence in Africa and direct control. Without Ruanda European influence in Africa would be minimum. So European is fighting for their survival!!! Using the highest technologies to maintain their presence and influence. Through Tutsi, European has big chance to stay in Africa for while.
... And China
You guys need to stop all the lies about SADC mission in DRC.
You are not there as a peace keeping force but fithing/offensive forces and when you engage in a fight you better assume the responsibility that come out of the fight.Atleast M23 are DRC citizen even if they are accused of fighting for minerals and so is the SADC&Burundi forces
M23 rebels aren't Congolese...If SADC Peace-keeping mission was on the offensive, M23 rebels wouldn't have taken Goma, they could have been defeated and driven back to Rwanda like the SADC offensive mission a decade ago ago
Accusers of Rwanda minirals in DRC are swollowers of them 😮unless you leave grid and hypocrisy, Africa will reach no where😢
Rwanda presents a real,... real,... real threat to your plundering business - you are all panicking as this is a serious threat to your bottom line. Africans doing business with each other is cause for an emergency security meeting to discuss immediate sanctions.
Get Jasmine Opperman for an interview please!
We need a clarification of how SADC army stand alongside Genocidal FDLR while fighting Rwandophone Tutsi M23.
The violence is not escalating! M23 has defeated the genocidal coalition and peace is returning to our home. Soon the SANDF will be paraded on their walk of shame like their partners in crime, the European Merceneries, we all so them paraded following their defeat. Ramaphosa's greed has brought shame to Madela's people, my condolences to the families who lost loved ones, when you imagine what SANDF working with FDLR means, ANC will be shamed.
Why the so said International Community and the pope are ingry because M23 decided to to take over Goma after occupaying and administrating the whole province of now peacifyed North-Kivu???
BTW, Goma is now also safer than before and the refugies retourne at home and at work...
In fact some people ignore that kinyarwanda is spoken by more than 40 millions people. A half of them is in Congo or around. Many of them are well educated and concerned by those issues. RDF don't need to send soldiers in Congo when they are available and free to fight in Congo
So how does the SADC forces keep peace??
Is it the first time seeing this kind of situations?
if someone kill your family would you seek peace? Rwanda knows where South African troops bases are they attacked them on purpose, the whole world watching this if South Africa don’t respond with force they shouldn’t speak 🗣️ about anything anymore lol they care more for Palestinians than their own people 😂😂😂
In coordination with the UN and the AU.
@@theodorefolke8537 the question is how are they doing, not with who.
They will fight the M23 by throwing them out of DRC. Is what happened before when they did took Goma in 2012
I have questions, if sadc and east Africa there aren't see the roots cause in the same way and find solution and east africa will support M23 because east africa nows well why M23 fighting, and sadc are fight behalf of felix k. So this war will end by destroying congo and the region.
There was a recent peace initiative for eastern DRC from the Roman Catholic Church and ECC. How does that break down into Faith in Action Christian peace conduct on the ground? But the churches and Christians seem VERY passive. Are everybody (world leaders, AU, SADC, NEPAD, MANI, church leaders and 96% Christians in (Africa and) DRC) too busy on their conflict mineral smart phones?
SADC should get out. They were not supposed to be there in first place
Turn off the comments
SA and SADC has no interest in DRC
What main reasons M23 are giving and why can't we lessen to them, 11:42 when we have seen Israeli talking to Harmas or the other way. DO Africa need this war really Tshikedi take responsibility and take your people from Camps outside and within congo.
What about the security of Rwanda?? Why is SA fighting innocent Citizens fighting for their survival and rights?? Why is SADAC supporting genociders possed to overthrow Rwanda ??
Just FYI, Thabo Mbeki is on Rwandan president Kagame's payroll.
most of the minerals from Congo pass through South Africa companies but always blame that on Rwanda!
If that were true, then countries like Qatar would not have bothered signing an agreement for coltan. They should have signed it with us. WAKE UP! Your government is kleptomaniacal by nature.
Corneille Nangaa leader of AFC/M23 is in Rwanda.
So Rwanda bullying Congo and now they’re scared South Africa president president in front of the whole world even after intentionally killing their soldiers 😂😂😂 South Africa is a joke the so called superpower of Africa lol kagame dared South Africa to do anything for killing their soldiers
So you want to tell me that the opposition of SANDF did not suffer casualties
South Africa is nothing
If South Africa is a joke, why is your president frothing at the corners of the mouth when he was warned? I mean, he told you when DRC president, Tshisekedi issued a warning of launching a war that you need to sleep peacefully, because nothing would happen to you. Why he's not telling you that now, given that he has been warned by a joke of a country?
@@sandriacelestin9580 SANDF has never engaged in a battle and lost more that they have killed we know Isreal is your backers and you won't kill anymore of our troops there that is guaranteed
South Africa is on a Peace Keeping mission not a war. DRC is a soverign state that needs to gevern fairly , However Rwanda must mind its own affairs, why is he the spokes person of M23 of Congo?.
If they decide to go to war with M23 then let’s expect more fallen Soldiers coz those looks like they not rebels they look like trained Military 😢
Are rebels not supposed to train? How will they fight without training? Did the ANC/MK not train while fighting the white regime?
Thisekedi Cirombo wants to use DRC resources to pay mercenaries and he thinks with his money he can ignore the other group of Congolese ( M23) originally from Masisi Bukavu ...
On my view I don,t think SADc can reach on solution arone it should when east Africa and their come together and look for solution because if each block looks for solution it brings some thing like unt block
SADC arone may not come to solution DRC,s problem since they ignore east Africa who know the problem very well.the lasting solution will get from both block it is better when their homonise both angolo and Nairobi peace yolks and their have to m23 and address their problem as well as Rwanda,s problem of FDR who carried jonicide and they want to come bk to continue it.east Africa are affected by DRc,s than SADC